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ziccoit:
I laugh when some people think APC is now going the way of PDP. Disagreement is an important element of a working democracy. People should be allowed the opportunity of showing their grievances. What bothers me in this seneario is why must APC conduct a primary? Is the party has intelligent report that pDP is going to present a candidate against the party earlier announcement?

You just don't get it or like many, see it but pretend its not true. Okay, let me run it for you.

There are two power blocs in the APC at present: the party and the presidency, the north and the west, Buhari and Tinubu. These two forces are struggling to acquire as much political real estate as possible. How is it possible then that the party is seen as having a national, nationalistic outlook when these basic matters cannot be sorted out. Is Nigeria going to be run on a pro-Buhari, pro-Tinubu basis for the next four years. If there is so much internal heat, how will they resist the PDP when it regroups and counter attacks. We are in for it.

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And what makes you think the PDP will not throw in its lot with Buhari and the APC -north against Tinubu and the APC - west, because sadly that is what is beginning to happen.

The APC is slowly splitting along regional lines. Same ol, same ol Nigeria. That is why we say, you can change government, you can change party, but you cannot change the Nigerian.

In summary Na Godwin for Buhari. Buhari is d winner of PDP stupidity.

barcanista:
bro, I'm preparing a thread to openly campaign for Saraki and Dongara

Just a Thread?
Thread on Nairaland?
To "Openly" Campaign against Gbajabiamila?

You and most of your side-kicks on this thread are truly "Jobless SaTANoids"!!

Why dont you go to Abuja, to vote...... instead of just wasting Seun's Website's bandwidth!

Openly Campaign koor, Closely Campaign niii ...... like they even know you exist?!

Or you are hoping they will "notice" you?
Well, we can help you push your C.Vee if you are so desperate for another job since Jonathan is unable to keep up with promised payments

Jobless nitwits pretending to be relevant



Lastpage!

SeverusSnape:
Rubbish...PDP was a peaceful party afterall.

Pissfull indeed

Sanguine77:
Too bad. If Apc cannot resolve its leadership crises, then Pdp is better than them in that aspect. I admire the tenacity of Apc but they should know that Nigerians are watching. They shd not make a mess of the polity. Let d election be open and let those wit the highest votes emerge as leaders of the national assembly.
They should know it is not about their party or ego but about the people that voted them in: the Nigerian people who want constant power, food on their table, security, employment and empowerment and general wellbeing.
Time is going oooo.

I think the present system is a far departure from the past where the President simply selected his candidates for the house leadership and mandated his party people to do everything possible, especially with Ghana must go bags, to ensure that his preferred candidate emerged. Now the president has hands off the selection process and allowed the party to establish a consensus between its members in both houses. A very noble scheme! The problem here is the greed and selfish Ambition of Dagora and Saraki who are desperately trying to scuttle a noble process simply because it doesn't favour them. That is the PDP way of doing things. Incidentally both of them recently defected from the PDP.

[quote author=atbu1983 post=34510634]How United State Speaker is Selected

The House of Representatives elects the Speaker of the House on the first day of every new Congress and in the event of the death or resignation of an incumbent Speaker. The Clerk of the House of Representatives requests nominations: there are normally two, one from each major party(each party having previously met to decide on its nominee). The Clerk then calls the roll of the Representatives-elect, each Representative-elect indicating the surname of the candidate he or she is supporting. Representatives-elect are not restricted to voting for one of the nominated candidates and may vote for any person, even for someone who is not a member (or member-elect) of the House at all. They may also abstain by voting "present". [3]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/ Speaker_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives

Oga spare us from this shit, this is nigeria not united state of america

These guys are in there for themselves, not for the people.

atbu1983:
In summary Na Godwin for Buhari. Buhari is d winner of PDP stupidity.

It is too obvious you are in the pro-Tinubu camp aka APC west. I suggest you guys quit further splitting your party. It is far too early to hand the initiative back to the opposition. I am very, very disappointed.

But to be honest, if everything in APC just works perfectly well, won't it be scary to Nigerians; as good as thaat is supposed to be for us? These are strange bed fellows give them time to finetune.

I'm here to read d comments.

Let dia be speaker named femi gbaja....explain dis statement 5marks

duni04:
I think the present system is a far departure from the past where the President simply selected his candidates for the house leadership and mandated his party people to do everything possible, especially with Ghana must go bags, to ensure that his preferred candidate emerged. Now the president has hands off the selection process and allowed the party to establish a consensus between its members in both houses. A very noble scheme! The problem here is the greed and selfish Ambition of Dagora and Saraki who are desperately trying to scuttle a noble process simply because it doesn't favour them. That is the PDP way of doing things. Incidentally both of them recently defected from the PDP.

Trying to scuttle a noble process of pre-selecting favourites? Democracy is democracy. Autocracy cannot work in a democracy. Consensus was the downfall of the PDP. If the APC is not open, fair and democratic, it is just a matter of time.

If Buhari says he would not intervene then no one else should. Buhari is simply saying, let there be democracy, but the other side hides behind 'party' to truncate the system. Is APC the synonym of democracy?

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It is too obvious you are in the pro-Tinubu camp aka APC west. I suggest you guys quit further splitting your party. It is far too early to hand the initiative back to the opposition. I am very, very disappointed.

i am not Pro Tinubu. Neither am I yoruba. I am an edo man. i dont really care whether Dogara or Gbajabimiala wins.. i am only saying that PDP will be so foolish to believe supporting Dogara will lead to Tambuwal threatment. That will be great delusion to Believe Dogara will play PDP (SS/SE party Today) card and oppose Buhari. Between Dogara and Gbajabiamala, Gbajabiamala is more likely to oppose Buhari.

In my innermost heart, i am even thinking it will be better for Dogara to win so dat Buhari will find it much easier to make reforms he want to make.

But the edo man in me, does not want d North to be president, senate president and speaker at d same time. i feel it is too skewed.

My problem is d supposed ballot box, using a carton as ballot box smacks of incompetence, inefficiency, unseriousness etc... APC may be right about 'change'...my disappointment is that d vaunted change is downward d slope.

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Trying to scuttle a noble process of pre-selecting favourites? Democracy is democracy. Autocracy cannot work in a democracy. Consensus was the downfall of the PDP. If the APC is not open, fair and democratic, it is just a matter of time.

If Buhari says he would not intervene then no one else should. Buhari is simply saying, let there be democracy, but the other side hides behind 'party' to truncate the system. Is APC the synonym of democracy?

Autocracy? In all parties allover the world that is how house leaders are selected. The ruling party decides who they'll pick beforehand. Wonder which planet you're from.

In addition, I think the party has a nationalistic intent as against the Clique or cabal interest of the Dogara group... am not sure this abt Tinubu or the party imposing a candidate. I don't think it's Ok to have president Buhari having North to his Zone, saraki or akume having North to their zones then a Dogara having North to his zone.. may be the party in overall national interest, equity and representativnes is trying to see a "South" come in thru the qualified personality of Mr Femi. Am from the North central nd I don think the President, Senate president and Speaker shld all have " North" tied to their zones. I stand on the side of the party. @ least their candidate is very very qualified and capable.. Abi is Mr Gbajabiamila not fit for the Job?

[quote author=teebaxy post=34513310][/quote]Whether you like it or not, our presidential system of govt and Democracy was fashion after United State. United state remain one of d oldest and strongest democracy in d world. United state will always be referred to.

[quote author=teebaxy post=34513310][/quote]Whether you like it or not, our presidential system of govt and Democracy was fashion after United State. United state remain one of d oldest and strongest democracy in d world. United state will always be referred to when d topic is democracy. It is united state pressure on nigeria millitary that lead to democracy in Nigeria in d first place.

atbu1983:
i am not Pro Tinubu. Neither am I yoruba. I am an edo man. i dont really care whether Dogara or Gbajabimiala wins.. i am only saying that PDP will be so foolish to believe supporting Dogara will lead to Tambuwal threatment. That will be great delusion to Believe Dogara will play PDP (SS/SE party Today) card and oppose Buhari. Between Dogara and Gbajabiamala, Gbajabiamala is more likely to oppose Buhari.

In my innermost heart, i am even thinking it will be better for Dogara to win so dat Buhari will find it much easier to make reforms he want to make.

But the edo man in me, does not want d North to be president, senate president and speaker at d same time. i feel it is too skewed.

Hmm. Fair enough. I don't blame you at all for feeling that way. I too will be perplexed if the cat I bought to catch mice has fed fat on them and turned into a lion. We are back to the same old problem, sectionalism. I am not sure anything can be done to fix this country. Our problems are set default.

Marvin67:
All these primaries mean nothing. The senate president and HOR speaker would still come from APC. The primaries have only shown us who Tinubu's candidates are, but I foresee a Tambuwal situation. The PDP would decide the APC lawmakers that would eventually win since PDP would vote in bloc for a particular candidate.

Dogara winning is good news for Buhari, Bad news for Tinubu and Bad news for PDP.

Dogara will never support PDP( SS/SE party today) against Buhari.

duni04:
Autocracy? In all parties allover the world that is how house leaders are selected. The ruling party decides who they'll pick beforehand. Wonder which planet you're from.

I am from Nigeria and as far as the leadership of Parliament is concerned it is a House matter. The party can be the ombudsman but there is a process of 'election', not selection that the APC is well advised not to truncate in ANYONE's interert. Nuff said.

I don't have aa problem with Autocracy with a purpose... this is just a systematic zoning and am cool with it. Between the party and the pro Dogara who loves Nigeria more? Must everything be " North"? Democracy is about numbers and also about negotiations and compromises in other words meaningful agreements. " Arangee" things.

Save urselves the stress.. just try to know what the party is fighting for and what the Pro Dogara group is fighting for and you will get your Answer and understand the situation better.

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Hmm. Fair enough. I don't blame you at all for feeling that way. I too will be perplexed if the cat I bought to catch mice has fed fat on them and turned into a lion. We are back to the same old problem, sectionalism. I am not sure anything can be done to fix this country. Our problems are set default.

There is sectionalism everywhere in d world. Obama won by playing d victim card of d black.

Today Texas is still agitating to leave United state and form thier own state.

Catalonia(Barcelona) are still agitating to leave Spain and form thier own country.

What i am saying, in preaching one Nigeria and Unity, we must use common sense.

That was why i oppose Jonathan 2nd term bid despiste i am from south south. Apart from his incompetence., it was not good for d unity of d country for him to re contest. knowing fully well he bcame a president because of d death of a Northerner.

in 16years of democracy, south have ruled 13.3years north only ruled for 2.7years. if jonathan have won it would hv been 20years of democracy with south ruling for 17.3years!

i dont want to hear how d north ruled for many years during millitary era. that in d era force and no negotiation. we cant keep singing that song.

Democracy involve negotiation. it is onlt under democracy u can discuss fairness.

Can any of these groups; Saraki's, Lawan's, Gbajamiabila's, Dogara's and APC NWC boldly tell Nigerians the interest of the Nation in all these strugle. Mr President the Man of nobody said is ready to work with any National Assembly leader. The APC should allow member to elect their Leader to prevent disunity in the house and party.

Party/National interest Vs Cabal/Individual interest. That's what is at play. This purely natural amongst politicians. They will resolve in no time and move on. But careers may be lost in these at the end of the day.

The National interest here is called "Equity and fair representation " it's in our national interest to have political equity and fair representation of all geo-political zones of the country. What the pro Dogara group want to use the house majority vote to prevent.

"We left the PDP to join the APC and it won't be a problem for us to walk out of the APC" former speaker kwara state house of assembly and now a member of the house of Reps.. As quoted by the Pro Dogara spokemans on Channels TV news @ 10 last night. Just imagine the kind of ppl the APC leadership is dealing with @ this early stage. Haba!

they are all deceiving us. let leave them to play there trickish game.

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azimibraun:
"We left the PDP to join the APC and it won't be a problem for us to walk out of the APC" former speaker kwara state house of assembly and now a member of the house of Reps.. As quoted by the Pro Dogara spokemans on Channels TV news @ 10 last night. Just imagine the kind of ppl the APC leadership is dealing with @ this early stage. Haba!

So you watched it too. That's why I say a democratic contest is the fair way to resolve this impasse. Believe you me it is not in anyone's interest to see the APC having problems this early. If Dogara 'has' to be defeated let it be fair, open and transparent. If the 'North' gets all the slots and all the power, so be it. It will only weaken it but more importantly it will galvanise the 'south' into action. That is restructuring by default. But I'm sure the north is wise to avoid that. It knows it cannot hold this country together without wider support.

I understand ur position bro... But I still think in a democracy we cannot allow numbers decide everything for us. especially when the it's not too harmful like the situation we are in @ the moment. Life is give and take and live and let's live together in equity and fairness. We already knw the outcome if we go by popular vote on the floor of the house but will that represent " the greater good for the greater number" of us Nigerians and especially for ppl of the south" our brothers"?