₦airaland Forum

joseph1832:
Proper thing? Which proper thing? All this is happening because Saraki and Dogara occupied positions they weren't suppose to occupy!.

Tell me, during the 6th and 7th senate, weren't the principal officers members of the ruling party who were very partisan about the dominance of the ruling Party PDP?. And who emerged as principal officers during that period?!.

To hear you speak of non partisan insults my intelligence. It even shows you know little or nothing about politics. An elected member of either the senate, house of reps, even governor or local government chairman must be partisan to survive Nigerian politics.

Even you barcanista, you're partisan. So please don't insult us eh... How HF.OG and Eco.terrors na? Hope say dem never dey fight un top your mata?

When conducting the business of the House, the Speaker is meant to be non partisan but a Speaker of all the House members. They can play politics outside the chambers.

barcanista:
My Dear, the principal officers (Majority leader, Minority Leader, Majortity Whip, Minority Whip and their Deputies) are not appointive positions and are not attachee to the Presiding officer. Saraki's appointees are the Committee members and Chairmen and his aides. By right, the majority party legislators ratify the nominees of the principal officers or they put that to vote. They are even supposed to be core loyalists of their party. That is why PDP had to give Mulikat Adeola the Leadership position in the last House

so Nigeria should continue to lick Tinubu's ass?

barcanista:
When conducting the business of the House, the Speaker is meant to be non partisan but a Speaker of all the House members. They can play politics outside the chambers.

Watch your back bro, we've got eyes on you...

Saraki and Dogara did what most people in their position would do, you don't allow your enemies choose your officers.

barcanista,

I believe you know that this whole thing is all about power and influence on the presidency. It goes with those with party structure and NAS leadership structure.

Now aside the party, whoever commands the NAS structure will have a strong influence on the presidency. This is what the so called party leadership is fighting for.

I also believe you know that the speaker and Senate president are also part of the party leadership. You cannot be talking about party leadership and excluding the leaders of the legislature.

If you in anyway think they are not part of the party leadership, then you've aligned with lai Mohammed on the position that buhari is not the leader of the party. Shehu garba will not agree with that.

The people who we look down on are actually what constitutes the strength and influence of APC. Without these people winning elections, APC can't be said to be the ruling party. APC didn't buy tickets for them. Without them APC dies... What I think is that the so called party leadership have not come to terms with the fact that saraki and dogara are now part of the leadership who should be part of party decisions.

You shouldn't also forget that in the party leadership formation, one man had influence in almost all the positions.

I don't need to tell you that not everyone on in the party exco is with the party on this.

Bro, I believe you know all these.

It is quite sad you come here with a seemed even-handed position afterall it is all you wanted all because of party affiliation and not the Nigerian prosperity, you supported certain persons which am sure you knew would have led to dismay in governance all because you hold foe a party? Where is our sense of patriotism ? Where is our sense of development ? Well I don't see you @op anything or how different from Saraki and Dogara, all selfish desperate mortals. I will borrow from Obama's words "we don't need strong individuals but strong Institutions" and you can't have that if the smallest of institutions in governance( political parties) can't be obeyed what becomes of the larger ones. Just in case you don't know in every institution there are one or two intuitive individuals in it, whose decisions are mostly coherent and logical whether Tinubu falls in there or not, I am not here to debate that but what I am here to say is why blame the man for what he is good in? Just like blaming Ronaldo for always scoring goals and being the free kick taker of his team. I usually don't like commenting on your threads because they are way too sentimental for me but I guess your logical neutralism seems to be developing now. Cheers mate

Dharniel:
Watch your back bro, we've got eyes on you...

GTH

barcanista:
I am not surprised. The so called party has never been political in outlook, they packaged themselves to appear like all is well only to earn themselves embarrassment on a latter day. It is such a shame

Your analysis is right there!

I said it, just a day after Buhari was elected, that the APC now have themselves to kill as the PDP have been 'dismantled'. I wasn't far from the truth afterall.

Nonetheless, they have got to take the bull by the horn, and fast too, or the country could be in a really serious mess in no time.

We have all come to realise that Buhari, just like Jonathan, is not a politician, but he has got to grow a pair and act..like now, before it is too late.

Rapbender:
ur everywhere on the thread. na only u waka come

xeriously, I'm out of NL today then

Mogidi:
Saraki and Dogara did what most people in their position would do, you don't allow your enemies choose your officers.

But the Majority Leader and Whip are supposed to be elected by majority members. Well, PDP will roast any politician that tries it anyway...

barcanista:
The funny thing is that APC don't know how to manage things like this. This brings to question the leadership quality of APC administrators.

I disagreed in a strong term with your view. My reasons was that if you keenly look through the actions of the Party Leaders and the President, they are avoiding a situation where their action will be seen as bias or in favour of Tinubu or against Atiku and the factional PDP members. That is why they are passing through a democratic and due process with wider consultations before reaching a long last decision that the world and majority of the party member of all affiliations will see as fair and just.

And you should know that the process of fairness and justice is not immediate, there is need to give a fair hearing to all parties and see that no one escapes justice in final decision. Being careful and democratic in taking decisions should not be tagged as slow, as we all see that the Presidency, Party Leaders and Governors are working to resolve the situation, only that the affected party had taken an agreement in collaboration with the opposition which if he relinquish on will back fire on his political career as Senate president.
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Personally, I believe the current crisis is a blessing to the APC because it started earlier enough unlike that of PDP that started late and was managed wrongly because of selfish ambitions. Before 2019, APC will have resolve their crisis if they give a fair and just judgement to every affected party, only that they are trending with care as Sakari was their major campaign fund raiser.

barcanista:
When conducting the business of the House, the Speaker is meant to be non partisan but a Speaker of all the House members. They can play politics outside the chambers.

Guy which university did you attend? Covenant, Babcock or Redeemers?.

You sound like one who didn't play politics in school and one who didn't allow the school go through him.

ndcide:
barcanista,

I believe you know that this whole thing is all about power and influence on the presidency. It goes with those with party structure and NAS leadership structure.

Now aside the party, whoever commands the NAS structure will have a strong influence on the presidency. This is what the so called party leadership is fighting for.

I also believe you know that the speaker and Senate president are also part of the party leadership. You cannot be talking about party leadership and excluding the leaders of the legislature.

If you in anyway think they are not part of the party leadership, then you've aligned with lai Mohammed on the position that buhari is not the leader of the party. Shehu garba will not agree with that.

The people who we look down on are actually what constitutes the strength and influence of APC. Without these people winning elections, APC can't be said to be the ruling party. APC didn't buy tickets for them. Without them APC dies... What I think is that the so called party leadership have not come to terms with the fact that saraki and dogara are now part of the leadership who should be part of party decisions.

You shouldn't also forget that in the party leadership formation, one man had influence in almost all the positions.

I don't need to tell you that not everyone on in the party exco is with the party on this.

Bro, I believe you know all these.

Ofcourse by position Saraki is one of the leaders of APC but he isn't part of the National Working Committee led by the Chairman that makes position on behalf of the party. Well I am not interested on who emerge because it is pure APC affair, all I am saying is the the members elect who they want and not the presiding officer dictating. That is the norm

barcanista:
But the Majority Leader and Whip are supposed to be elected by majority members. Well, PDP will roast any politician that tries it anyway...

Am rejoicing at the infighting within APC, long may it continue.

Islamicpope:
Sarai is to small in wanting to rubblsh all what APC and Nigeria stand for. He should know DAT his days are numbered as Senate president. PDP can never use him to hold Nigerians ransom. Bloody sabotuare.

But you didn't say this during the tambuwal saga

barcanista:
GTH

just messing around with you bro...

UncleJudax:
Your analysis is right there!

I said it, just a day after Buhari was elected, that the APC now have themselves to kill as the PDP have been 'dismantled'. I wasn't far from the truth afterall.

Nonetheless, they have got to take the bull by the horn, and fast too, or the country could be in a really serious mess in no time.

We have all come to realise that Buhari, just like Jonathan, is not a politician, but he has got to grow a pair and act..like now, before it is too late.

Unfortunately Buhari isn't a politician just like Goodluck Jonathan otherwise he'd have nipped it. I trust my Good friend Mogidi, he doesn't take prisoners

Dharniel:
just messing around with you bro...

See your head

gratiaeo:
The Nigerian People will have to rise as One to chase this inept and confused administration out of the corridors of power. Alternatively we ask for the intervention of the Nigeria military NOW !

This got me laughing.

Mogidi:
Am rejoicing at the infighting within APC, long may it continue.

Their own infighting come worse pass pdp own o

barcanista:
Their own infighting come worse pass pdp own o

This is just the beginning.

I think the duo of Saraki and Dogara should be praised for leading the fight for the emancipation our nation from the hand of 'one man lord', let's us all unite to save Nigeria

barcanista:
See your head

Buh shey you no dey worry say people dey kip tabs on you asin dem dey follow you bumper to bumper...

APC is not a matured party It will take a long time to align their greed.

Dharniel:
Buh shey you no dey worry say people dey kip tabs on you asin dem dey follow you bumper to bumper...

I don't have a choice other than to be careful.

Mogidi:
This is just the beginning.

APC!!! this is not the CHANGE we asked for, It is not the change we need.

barcanista:
Watching the APC caucus of distinguished Senators and Honorable Members of House of Representatives was a shame to behold on Thursday June 26, 2015. It was a shame that the ruling party couldn't put their act in order. More painful is that the incompetence of the ruling party is having effect on the Nigeria State. Here are some observations...

1. SP Saraki and Speaker Dogara Are Naïve, Arrogantly and Ignorant
The positions of Senate and House Leaders and their deputies, and the Chief Whips and their deputies are not appointive offices. It has never been heard in any parliament that the presiding officer determines who occupies these principal offices. For the record, the Majority leader is supposed to be a core party loyalist. He is the primary link between his party and members of the party in the parliament, the majority leader schedules business on the floor by calling bills from the calendar and keeps members of his party advised about the daily legislative program. The Chief Whip is also supposed to be a core party man that enforced discipline on erring party members that conducts themselves against the interests of the party in the parliament. By tradition, the majority party chooses the Majority leader, Chief Whip, Deputy Leader and Deputy whip, while members of the party in the parliament ratify. If the APC says they want Lawan as Senate Leader and Gbajabiamila as House Leader, all that has to be done is for the APC members of the Senate and the House respectively to either ratify the names sent to them by the party leadership or they (members) elect who they want. For SP Saraki and Speaker Dogora to insist on a particular pattern that is not acceptable to majority of their party parliamentarians shows that both men are arrogantly naive. This can't be accepted in any democracy, and accepting it will set a bad precedent for this country.

2. Saraki And APC Have Done Nigeria A Great Disservice
Senator Ali Ndume was indicted in November 2011 to have link with BH. The arrested BH Spokesman Ali Konduga had maintained that Sen Ndume had paid him to send threatening text messages http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-15829203. There are call evidence of Ali Ndume's phone exchange with Boko Haram which the undistinguished Senator admitted after it was extracted by an agent from the Israeli based Digital Forensic http://www.vanguardngr.com/2012/12/court-admits-fresh-evidence-linking-ndume-to-boko-haram/. As at the time of the election, Senator Ndume was facing Terrorism trial. Instead of APC to give their ticket to competent hand they gave it to the same Ali Ndume. He was elected thanks to the change propaganda and became a Senator once again rather than clearing his name. Senator Saraki out of selfish interest compounded the woes of Nigerians by imposing an alleged Boko Haram Sponsor as Nigeria's Senate Leader. What a disservice by APC and Bukola Saraki. A shame to Nigeria that the Leader of the Upper House is facing terrorist charges.

3.APC Deserve No Sympathy
APC rode on propaganda and blackmail. It is a gathering of people of different ideologies, different worlds and men of questionable integrity. It isn't filled with men with common goals like what a political party should be. It is filled with men whose sole ambition was to form a consortium to send Jonathan back to Otuoke and GRAB power. APC as a party also encouraged rascality and impunity in the last National Assembly. APC commended and encouraged Tambawal and the 7 rascals PDP Governors for their anti-party activities. It is a shame but the APC encouraged impunity and even rewarded it by giving them political fortune. Now that APC is at the receiving end of the whole thing, and even receiving worse, I don't think it deserve any symparthy. It is a shame that the presiding officers of both Chambers are hell-bent on by-passing common sense just to subvert the interest of majority of the party. At least in 2011 the PDP had their way in choosing the four principal offices when they lost the two presiding offices due to APC instigated rebellion in the House. I understand the plight for the APC but I have no sympathy for the party. I hope they put their act in order.

4. SP Saraki and Speaker Dogara Deserve To Be Served
In the last dispensation, Senator Saraki and Honorable Dogara were part of the new PDP that fought alongside the opposition to cause a wreck to the Jonathan's re-election ambition and the PDP structure. Now they are back to do to their former comrades-at-arm what they did to their former party. If Saraki and Dogara think they will enjoy the support and privileges from the PDP on the long run, they should have their heads examined. The PDP will make a grave mistake by rewarding Saraki and Hon Dogara on the long run. Already PDP has got the Deputy Senate Presidency, the party should understand that Saraki and Dogara need them more that they need those men. In the event that APC wield their big stick on them, the PDP should have in mind the treachery of both men and serve them at latter date. Yes I supported Saraki and Dogara for Senate President and Speaker respectively so as to nullify the APC's arrangement because Nigeria cannot be run like a one-man's business, it is not because they were worth it. That is in the past now. Saraki and Dogara betrayed PDP to benefit from APC, now they turned around to betray APC but must not benefit from PDP

5. APC Should Not Hold Nigeria To Ransom
Nigerians are tired with one day one trouble for APC and their chieftains. The business of Governance is already suffering all because nothing has started. The auto-piloting system that Buhari is running isn't helping matters. Nigerians are tired of hearing APC Governors and other elected officers talking about partisan politics rather than performing the role they were elected to. Enough is enough. APC has already wasted one month of our National life, we can't afford the luxury of wasting important time on the troubles of the ruling party

From a strong APC fan.
You are just spot on. I quite agree with everything you've said Bacanista. I swear everything except number 3.

barcanista:
I don't have a choice other than to be careful.

You need more than that mehn, you need a legal backup. I know what i'm saying...

Saraki is a traitor

barcanista:
My Dear, the principal officers (Majority leader, Minority Leader, Majortity Whip, Minority Whip and their Deputies) are not appointive positions and are not attachee to the Presiding officer. Saraki's appointees are the Committee members and Chairmen and his aides. By right, the majority party legislators ratify the nominees of the principal officers or they put that to vote. They are even supposed to be core loyalists of their party. That is why PDP had to give Mulikat Adeola the Leadership position in the last House

There is a lacuna in the precedence set by PDP yes the party selects the principal officer but in a democratic way. APC can't do dat in a democratic way. APC made the NASS leadership political with the tambuwal precedence. Both saraki and dogara have to protect their blocks. If APC neva tested the waters with the democratic process of party supremacy we would neva be here. Saraki and dogara are only taking it one step further.

barcanista:
Bros, I don't want to be speaking for APC but some of your questions boils to that. The Leadership Position that the constitution talked of are the Senate President, Deputy Senate President, The Speaker and Deputy Speaker. The whole house irrespective of party elect these people and they preside over the house. This are not partisan positions.

The positions of House leader, Deputy, Whip and Deputy are all partisan and they are usually filled by conservative members. Nevertheless, the party do nominate and the caucus in the house ratify or elect their own but every party man participate in the election. Saraki is trying to subvert this. The principal officers are not the appointees of the SP. What if we allow Saraki have his way and he decide to extend his madness to imposing minority leader and minority whip for the house?

Let us disintegrate your point step by steps. Yes, the principal offices are the senate leader, deputy senate leader, the chief whip and deputy chief whip. The major problem here is your conflicting terms such as "it is determined by conservative members and party do nominate" let us express this critically.

The problem

1. Saraki recommend to APC NWC that the positions should be zoned

2. Some leaders in the party(Mainly southWest) want to filled all the position at the stake of other zones

3. Tinubu prefers that the party handpicks the persons to occupy the position

4. The NWC want the various zonal senate caucuses to nominate their leaders to occupy the said office. The point is, from nomination and handpicking which one is more democratic in nature?

Tradition of the senate

By senate tradition which I stand on, the party in the majority normally sends the office to the ZONES where senate caucuses would meet and choose who should hold the positions

Problem 2

1. The position of the National leader of the APC is causing nipples as the party senators see it as an attempts to impose loyalist as senate leader, chief whip, and deputy chief whip

2. Tinubu has written to NWC asking that the party should nominate the senate leader and other principal offices BUT oyegun is not in support of this position, as it would be UNFAIR to impose the senate leader and other principal offices of the upper chambers.

Points

From the above confusion, are you still insisting that saraki is wrong in spite of is stand for equity and fairness!! You need to convince me bro.