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frank317:
Your bible studies... And how is the bible the word of God?

frank317:
Lol... Do you know the end of the world? I will regard any explanation you have about the creator with high regard if you can tell me the end of the world.

If you can't do this then you are in no position to describe the personality of the thing/person who created this end and know it.

So since I don't know anything about the creator... Should I accept that he sends bokoharam to kill or bomb people? Should I accept if you tell me the creators shits in a pole like a kid?

johnydon22:
Again why is it you are not asking why a tree is in existence? why is a lion in existence? why is an ant in existence? Or you do you want to sell it that you only know humans to be existence?

Maybe next time you will ask me why you see with your eyes and not your nose..

WHY is practically the same as purpose and my purpose remains what i give myself and i can only speak for myself,

why you exist is up to you..

vfactor:
Maybe u could add the other questions to it and gimme an answer?

Why you exist is up to you

frank317:
No I am gradually reducing you to where you should be right? You were here talking about God like you are him. What sort of answer is the above?

Since you said that God does not always weild his power of foreknowledge... Can you kindly tell me when he weilds and when he does not?

You said the principal of freewill balances this... What exactly does this statement mean?

Do you realize that saying "I am sure that if he chooses not to, he won't" is the same as saying "I don't know"?

johnydon22:
Read that part again and again until you understand it

vfactor:
I guess u have no answer for me. I understand!

johnydon22:
. .lol..Actually it is you who do not know the purpose of your life leaning on others to explain to you the purpose of your life. .

I have a well defined purpose of my life and that applies to me alone. . . what ever you make yours out to be is up to you. . . Am not obligated to tell you the purpose of your life

vfactor:
I am still trying to understand the logic behind your first question and the conclusion you drew!

Whether u accept whether God sends bokoharam to bomb people or not will be based on what u already know or think about God (preconceived idea). If you believe God to be evil and vindictive then it won't be hard accepting that he can send people to bomb others. But if u think he not of that nature then u will reject it.

My point is; for u to reject or accept any description of God, u must have some form of check or ideas to test the description u hear

It doesnt have to be the bible. Looking at nature could help.

vfactor:
I have a feeling you dont fully understand my question on the purpose of the existence of man. That was how were running around on the issue of origin of humans until ur final answer was i don't know!

vfactor:
The answer I gave is plain and simple. If you need clarification. But i doubt you are asking to know. You re just asking to create room for more argument.

To be able to hold a candid discussion on this issue, we should start what u and I believe to be true and build from there.

frank317:
Thank you. We are gradually getting there.
Like you said in the bolded, the discription you gave about a supposed creator is ridiculous. First you fail to tell us how you got to know... Second it reduces a supposed creator to human. Are you trying to tell me God is human? You say he is proving a point to the devil... Even a human dullard will not prove a point to his creation who is rebellious against him for no just cause. You see why I say you explanation is childish?
Looking around you, isn't it obvious that whatever/whoever created this world is beyond our human understanding? Hence I asked you, do you know the end of the world?

vfactor:
I have a feeling you dont fully understand my question on the purpose of the existence of man. That was how were running around on the issue of origin of humans until ur final answer was i don't know!

vfactor:
I would have loved to engage in a discussion with you. But there is one roadblock: your arrogance. You feel just because you do not believe in God, u re a right thinking person, while others who choose to believe have faulty thinking.

Tell me, how has you right thinking improved your life considerably better than those who believe in God?

If u were sincerely interested in getting answers to the questions u ask. I would have loved to answer. But the way u sound its seems your mind is already made up. And I have no issue with you. But don't think because u don't believe in God, it makes u a better thinker than I am.

vfactor:
First. I believe you already know how I got to know. 2nd. I didn't say God was proving a point to the devil. You got that wrong.

And what if I tell you I know how the world would end cos God has revealed it just as he has revealed himself? You will think I sound more ridiculous.

From our discussion so far, I can deduce that u feel no human should be able to explain God (preconceived idea) and therefore, any attempt at explaining him is foolishness.

That being the case, we could go about this forever.

johnydon22:
You subject the purpose of the existence of man into one whole. . .are you well?

when you do not know that purpose is subjective how then do you hope to ask a question that is meaningful. . .

Once you have brought up the concept of purpose, nobody has the right to determine the purpose of a whole everyone is entitled to individual purpose which applies to you.

Chai kids

frank317:
First I don't know how you got to know... Say it so that it could be scrutinized... That's why we are here.

Second, when I say the end of the world I mean.. If a stone is made to go straight without obstruction and on and on and on... Do you know where it will end up?
And if you tell me God has revealed the end to you... You sure will be opening another bag of worms and be ready to answer following questions.

Yes I feel no human should explain God and so if you try, you must be ready to answer the questions that follows. So answer the below...

Since you said that God does not always weild his power of foreknowledge... Can you kindly tell me when he weilds and when he does not?

You said the principal of freewill balances this... What exactly does this statement mean?

Remember I am here to prove you know absolutely nothing and you are only trying to sell you your imagination as the truth. Except you are able to answer my questions conveniently... Should this be hard?

vfactor:
Lemme give u an analogy. Man make guns. They have a purpose for making guns. U could see that from the way they are design. Now one could buy a gun to kill a single human, or an animal or an entire army. But the facts still remains that guns were made to kill. You don't buy a gun to use to write a letter.

Similarly, what we do with our lives is of our own making, how ever I am asking if u do know the purpose of man being on earth.

vfactor:
1. U onced mention that the book of Job is the most ridiculous story ever written. So I believe u know my source.

2. You should be clear enough to state the end of the world u mean. Seeing that end of the world can have varied meanings

3. God chooses to wield his power of fore knowledge only in situations that affect his set out purpose. And not for every human activity like eating sleeping etc. A prophecy concerning the destruction of babylon by Isaiah, states the name of the Persian king and his mode of entry into Babylon. It however does not state which clothes he will wear or how many solders he would use.

4. God limits using his power of forkwoledge at all times cos he created humans with freewill and allows them to exercise that freewill freely, while telling them of the repercussions of any choice they choose to make.

Next question!

vfactor:
1. U onced mention that the book of Job is the most ridiculous story ever written. So I believe u know my source.

2. You should be clear enough to state the end of the world u mean. Seeing that end of the world can have varied meanings

3. God chooses to wield his power of fore knowledge only in situations that affect his set out purpose. And not for every human activity like eating sleeping etc. A prophecy concerning the destruction of babylon by Isaiah, states the name of the Persian king and his mode of entry into Babylon. It however does not state which clothes he will wear or how many solders he would use.

4. God limits using his power of forkwoledge at all times cos he created humans with freewill and allows them to exercise that freewill freely, while telling them of the repercussions of any choice they choose to make.

Next question!

johnydon22:
You see where i say you add purpose to a whole not knowing that purpose is subjective. . . . You have concluded that the purpose of a gun is to kill and have subjected the purpose of a gun to your own idea which is to kill. . . A gun also injures as much as it kills therefore the purpose of a gun is to injure people, A gun also makes a pretty much fun activity for people who like practising with it as a pass away time therefore the purpose of a gun is for fun. a gun also can be used for decoration therefore the purpose of a gun is for decoration.… Maybe from the way a knife is made you will determine also that the purpose of the knife is to kill also.

Subjectivity in purpose is very clear, not all guns are used to kill because water guns don't kill. . .so you see how this purpose you have determined for gun remains your subjective opinion and nothing more... Purpose still remains what you make it to be

stillreal:
I think we have spent too much time on the story of Job, , its a ridiculous story . So what about the fact that according to the bible, only Christians will make heaven? doesn't matter how good you are, as long as you don't believe in Christ you wont make it.

The story of Balaam is as much ridiculous as much as job, Jonah caps all the ridiculous stories people believe to uphold nonsensical belief..

what about an even more ridiculous notion of stars falling down to earth like fig fruits in revelation, that someone can write such shows that person knows absolutely nothing of what stars really are. . you can imagine how a star (of which most are bigger than the sun) falls down to earth. . it will be like a basketball falling on tiny spec of dust, they wont even be an earth to fall on. . . and someone will believe this and say an all knowing spirit inspired this? for that all knowing being to inspire such work that is very laughable one can rightly say that the all knowing inspirer is a stark illiterate.

what about the stupendous idea that a god powerful enough to create the universe bears grudges with tiny feeble humans to the extent of holding this grudge on new babies, shows a lot that even humans tower high above this god because humans don't bear grudges that childishly or act on such chronic egoism . .a god that drags himself to the scope of human to bear grudges with humans is very laughable.

again what about the idea that god shut man out of the garden of eden so they won't eat the fruit of eternal life and live forever then promises man eternal life when you die. . . people don't really think about what they believe

johnydon22:
again what about the idea that god shut man out of the garden of eden so they won't eat the fruit of eternal life and live forever then promises man eternal life when you die. . . people don't really think about what they believe

dalaman:
Wow. Never thought of this. Just so ridiculous.

I have once discussed with a christian who was laughing at the idea of a golden apple that bestows immortality in greek mythology. . . i was like WTF and this same person believes there is a fruit in a perfect garden called eden that also bestows immortality. . .imagine the irony, he is laughing at himself.

Religious beliefs are somewhat of a comedy skeet if you look at it directly...lol..

johnydon22:
again what about the idea that god shut man out of the garden of eden so they won't eat the fruit of eternal life and live forever then promises man eternal life when you die. . . people don't really think about what they believe [/i][/b]

Scholar8200:
That's not true!

Scholar8200:
That's not true!

johnydon22:
I have once discussed with a christian who was laughing at the idea of a golden apple that bestows immortality in greek mythology. . . i was like WTF and this same person believes there is a fruit in a perfect garden called eden that also bestows immortality. . .imagine the irony, he is laughing at himself.

Religious beliefs are somewhat of a comedy skeet if you look at it directly...lol..

johnydon22:
I have once discussed with a christian who was laughing at the idea of a golden apple that bestows immortality in greek mythology. . . i was like WTF and this same person believes there is a fruit in a perfect garden called eden that also bestows immortality. . .imagine the irony, he is laughing at himself.

Religious beliefs are somewhat of a comedy skeet if you look at it directly...lol..