Jaymaxxy:

Try to read the whole story before u make any comment. We are talking about forging of the standing order here, which is a criminal offence. In a normal society, those that are found guilty after prosecution will be jailed for 21 years.

BossTtdiamonds:


@bolded... stands a chance of happening definitely....
Your ending statement however does not in anyway relate to the previous assertion not does it relate to the OP..
You seem like someone consumed by hate..

Ghandi12:

chukwudi44:


I only related that analogy but that dosent mean he is right though!!! The fact is that the status quo will remain till the final court (supreme court) rules on it.

Call me a child of hate or whatsoever I don't care I would always say my mind not minding whoose ox is gored

ORACLE1975:
Ohaneze Ndi Igbo i hope you are hearing. Whosoever
that is found culpable in this matter in our law court will
definitely go to jail. That is why i kept saying your
reaction when this matter came up was too hasty. You
ought to have kept your cool and do some investigation
instead of impugning your integrity/ reputation. Forgery
anywhere in the world is a criminal offence and if any of
our Senior citizens in law making is involved in such an
act must be meant to serve maximum term as
prescribed by the law of the land. How can the Law
makers turn to Law breakers if this story is anything to
go by. Nigerians are the cause of what is happening in
the National Assembly. How can People like Theorde
Orji and all his likes be in the senate. Senate and Federal
House of Representatives are not meant for people with
questionable characters, criminals who after
embezzling the money meant for their states ran to
Senate to protect their wealth. There is need to amend
our constitution to reflect that any person (s) who have
served in a capacity of Governor shall not contest for
the position of Senate or House of Representative till
after a period to be determined by the law. We have so
many rotten eggs in the Senate of the Federal Republic
of Nigeria

barcanista:
You didn't respond to pertinent questions. If some people insist that the standing rules used were forged then where is the original? If they say that the 7th Senate ought to amend it, then who produced the standing order for the 4th Senate(1999)? Like I said, the Senate is an autonomous body and their inhouse disputes are handled inhouse. There are procedures. There is no ambiguity here because the Standing rule isn't a law in the first instance. As long as the Constitution isn't breached then no floflem.

For instance, the Senate Standing rule give preference to ranking members in area of choosing Presiding officers, but a Newcomer will become the Senate President if majority elect him whether the standing order like it or not.

ibedun:

You are wrong. When the internal rules of an institution is fraudulently altered and someone benefits., a crime has been committed. The starting point is if any member of the said institution petition the police. Who ever changed that rule committed an offence and the beneficiaries of the offence are culpable and liable.

ibedun:

You are wrong. When the internal rules of an institution is fraudulently altered and someone benefits., a crime has been committed. The starting point is if any member of the said institution petition the police. Who ever changed that rule committed an offence and the beneficiaries of the offence are culpable and liable.

fkaz:


Pls read this version of punch news and save your energy

https://www.nairaland.com/2461893/standing-order-used-saraki-election

Aspireahead:


Sir, every standing rule dies with the expiration of the tenure if the senate it concerns. Now the senate rules guides the election if principal officers who in turn inaugurates the senate. therefore, the amendment or making of the Senate rules therefore is the job of the Nass bureaucrats....as explained here

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/-beyond-propaganda-and-hypocrisy/214999/

chukwudi44:
It is the perogative of the NASS bureacracy and not senators to create or amend house rules!!! The house rules for each NASS is unique and created by the clerk prior to the inauguration of that particular house.That is why we have senate house rules 1999,2003,2007,2011 and 2015

No senate commitee or constutional amendment team sat down to create the house rules for 1999.It has always been the perogative of the clerk to prepare the house rules for the incomming senate.
In the words of Senator Ike Ekweremadu

“Just as I said in a statement a few days ago, we will not be intimidated and will do everything democratically possible to protect the independence of the

He washed his hands off the allegation, saying at the time the said Senate Standing Rule/Order 2015 was made, he had ceased being the Deputy Senate President and so was no longer a principal officer to have contributed to the making of the document in question.

He said the making of a new Rule/Order for a new Senate or House was entirely the business of the National Assembly bureucracy, asking those striving to frame him up to look elsewhere.


He said: “Let me just explain here that every National Assembly, that is every Senate or House has its Standing Rule/Order as every Standing Rule/Order normally has a life span of four years. So, if you go to the Office of the Clerk to the National Assembly now, you are likely to find Standing Rules/Orders of 1999, 2003, 2007, 2011 and the current 2015.


“From the point of the valedictory session of the 7th Senate on 4th June, Senator Ike Ekweremadu, Distinguished Senator David Mark and the rest of other members of the 7th Senate ceased to be senators until the 9th of June, when the 8th Senate was inaugurated; and as usually done, the new senators received new Standing Rule/Order 2015.


“The making of that 2015 edition of the Senate Rule/Order is the business of the bureaucracy of the National Assembly. What the 8th Senate can do, which its predecessors have sometimes done is to amend as suitable. And the process of the amendment is spelt out in the that document~ DSP Ike Ekweremadu





Anyone who wants to challenge the status quo should simply go to court

izzieman:


Mr. Chukwudi, nice long speech but unfortunately wrong. The Clerk does not have the right to make the rules. The 8th senate can amend the rules of the 7th not the clerk. Go and look it up. It is an upright man who admits it when he is wrong.

izzieman:


Mr. Chukwudi, nice long speech but unfortunately wrong. The Clerk does not have the right to make the rules. The 8th senate can amend the rules of the 7th not the clerk. Go and look it up. It is an upright man who admits it when he is wrong.

Bollove:
You folks behave more silly than necessary ...

what is fraudulent about Saraki's emergence ?
Is it the senators that nominated him unopposed ?
The manner he was elected unopposed
Or some agbayas that went to ICC to eat Amala and Ewedu instead of being in NASS to perform the duty for which their constituencies elected them
Or the fact that Saraki is politically and Nationally popular and matured than Tinubu

even where Saraki is removed ( which is impossible), election would be re-conducted noni and 49 PDP senators with his 8 APC members would give Saraki his victory. Moreover, Saraki could even get more numbers from APC members this time

You folks already lost this battle since "year 0"

Ode omo Yoruba alai ni'rori ..... PDP are in NASS to deal with Tinubu and His GODFATHERISM stance over National Assembly

nduchucks:
I urge everyone to read this article in its entirety to note the extend of the fraud perpetrated against Nigerians. It may very well be time to shut down the NASS, guard it with the army, and declare a state of emergency, until legitimate elections of the Senate President and his vice can be conducted as prescribed in the non fraudulent standing order.

This fraud is completely unacceptable.,

citizenY:




No need for any permutation for now. The exact status of that document should be established first .

Akon419:
you are a f00l. You think this is military regime

chukwudi44:


Go to court then.In the interim the status quo remains

citizenY:



I like that word "Interim" . We, Pocket lawyers plenty for Nairaland

nduchucks:


Sir, it would have been sufficient to point out the error in my post and to correct me. The name calling serves no useful purpose.

At any rate, a more intelligent and educated Nairalander informed me that , under our constitution, "The President shall have power to issue a Proclamation of a state of emergency when, there is any public danger which clearly constitutes a threat to the existence of the Federation".

Sir, I think this criminal acts of certain members of the NASS are moving in the direction of becoming a threat to the existence of the federation. If the offending senators do not retrace their steps, they may leave our President with no other choice.

nduchucks:


Sir, it would have been sufficient to point out the error in my post and to correct me. The name calling serves no useful purpose.

At any rate, a more intelligent and educated Nairalander informed me that , under our constitution, "The President shall have power to issue a Proclamation of a state of emergency when, there is any public danger which clearly constitutes a threat to the existence of the Federation".

Sir, I think this criminal acts of certain members of the NASS are moving in the direction of becoming a threat to the existence of the federation. If the offending senators do not retrace their steps, they may leave our President with no other choice.

likila:


What ambition!

chukwudi44:



There is nothing Buhari can do until the supreme court rules on this matter!! It is not up to you or Buhari to tell us whether any act is criminal or not.

nduchucks:


Go and reread my post more carefully. There was no reference to a Presidential action at a state level but on a national scale. If you have access to our Constitution, search for 'State of emergency ' then return for a healthy non partisan chat.

Aspireahead:


Sir, every standing rule dies with the expiration of the tenure if the senate it concerns. Now the senate rules guides the election if principal officers who in turn inaugurates the senate. therefore, the amendment or making of the Senate rules therefore is the job of the Nass bureaucrats....as explained here

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/-beyond-propaganda-and-hypocrisy/214999/

barcanista:

Bro, personally I see no ambiguity here. The so-called Senate rule for 2015 is an inhouse document and the mmatter is an inhouse one. If a group insist that it was forged they ought to submit protest/petition to the Senate President who will refer the matter to the Ethics and Business Committees for investigation. This is no subject for debate as long as no section of the constitution was breached. The Police investigation will hold no water irrespective of the position they arrive at. Like i said somewhere- "Nobody will lose his or her position in the Senate based on this except 2/3 Senators impeach the person". There is nothing anyone can do about this...

jayfolarin:


There's no such thing as a valid in-house document without a ratification by a senate sitting. The 7th NASS should have sat and amended the standing order if necessary but they did no such thing. This means the 2011 standing order should have been employed in the election. Thus the 2015 standing order is just a piece of paper!

Submitting a petition to Saraki means acknowledging him as the Senate President which he is not. The court may not have powers to impeach him but they most definitely have the authority to declare his disgrace of an election null and void!

I expected that u were more grounded

barcanista:
Have you cared to ask why the Senators didn't go to court?

jayfolarin:


Go to Court YET??

1. The warring factions are members of the same party. I am sure they would have preferred an in-house resolution before everything blew out of proportion. A court case would mean members of a family spreading their linen publicly when they could have resolved quietly and thus reinforce PDP's stance that the APC is a divided party within itself. That is more bad publicity for the party.

2. The outcome of the police investigation is being awaited. Before annulment of the election, some top pdp senators like David Mark, Ekweramadu himself may eventually be condemned to 21years in prison for forgery. The APC senators may then go to court for election annulment after this.

Either way, Saraki knows