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Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by gists: 7:07pm On Aug 07, 2015

If this is all we have after the supposed equiping of the military by GEJ, we really need to thank OBJ for not going to war with Cameroon over Bakasi (even though OBJ is also a big part of the problem).
But I find it ludicrous that someone think we should clap for GEJ for allegedly procuring this outdated hardware in 2015 after waiting of over 10000 lives to be wasted by BH.

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by texazzpete(m): 7:08pm On Aug 07, 2015

BraniacX:
And where were you when ihejirikA's clamp down on boko haram was being touted as an easternes's genocide against muslim northerners by buhari and the northern elders forum? Where were you when buhari was going from radio station to newspaper houses alleging bias against the north in the handling of boko haram vis-a-vis not granting them amnesty and largesse like ND militants? And yet, you blame GEJ for backing of and trying diplomacy until it became too late abi?

Abeg park well and receive deliverance from your hypocrisy

Maybe he was in the same place where he was when GEJ was instructing Marilyn Ogar of the DSS to release all Boko Haram suspects without prosecution in 2011, an action that turned loads of murderous fanatics loose to kill again.

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by engineerboat(op): 7:11pm On Aug 07, 2015

Nadheer15:
After modifying your post. Not honeymoon, the US has promised to help Nigeria, PMB has even said Nigeria is going to start it's own weapons production and this would have a lot of US influence. The final is GEJ failed, why wait till over 13,000 people die?!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yx8Yr44WYYI

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by baralatie(m): 7:13pm On Aug 07, 2015

donvicky2007:
All this artilleries are good but they aren't new to my view cox everyone keep posting the same type of machines of our armed forces. Pls we need modernized weapons as African SuperPower not all this outdated machines used during the second world war.
#myopinion#

that is the problem. Nigeria is on a black list which forbids america and its Allies from acquisition of modern weapons.also on China we are blacklisted
it was a miracle that we could even see these to have.

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by BraniacX(m): 7:15pm On Aug 07, 2015

texazzpete:
Maybe he was in the same place where he was when GEJ was instructing Marilyn Ogar of the DSS to release all Boko Haram suspects without prosecution in 2011, an action that turned loads of murderous fanatics loose to kill again.

And proof that that was the case is..................?

Maybe you should also question the recent release of boko haram suspects and lifting of road blocks by buhari

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by Amazo: 7:15pm On Aug 07, 2015

engineerboat:
Its very disheartening how some people can go to any length to lie and twist whatever they hear from any source.

Not long ago, some group of people claiming that for COAS Alex Badeh said that Nigeria Army lack equipment, when in the real sense he was giving an account of about 30 year of active service in Nigeria Army.

Also this same people twist The former Security Adviser Sambo Dansuki statement that all Equipment contracted out are still to be deleievred.

Well to set the record staright.

Here is the account of Dansuki speech: http://www.ionigeria.com/how-jonathan-acquired-sophisticated-weapons-for-the-military-to-fight-terrorism-dasuki/

Dansuki not only state that because of the exigency of the election (to be peaceful) great number of these equipment are Airlifted into the field of war in the North East while the remaining large quantity are awaiting Shipment.

The result of this Airlifted Equipments and Armoured Tank become the game changer during this war before the General Election, hence the new tune then "NEVER AGAIN" .

Well to give more updates on this attached are the following images and videos.

1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIxs_NVOuTk

2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyR0AH-Md7U

3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muz5dhnMG6E

4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlcEqAUIUY0

5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kimbo5c0Ak

6.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja4PCeeY7tI

Well Nigerians, truth can only be twisted, but cannot be denied it will surely prevail.

Have a blessed day.

Is this an attempt to justify the humongous sums running into billions of dollars that the GEJ administration recklessly spent to fight Boko Haram huh

OMG

!!! I've seen enough absurdity for one day. I'm logging out...

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by dayo23(f): 7:15pm On Aug 07, 2015

Nadheer15:
This OP is getting everything wrong, with all this hardwares, why did we lose more than 13,000lives? GEJ only woke up 6weeks to elections and that's when Nigeria acquired all this. Remember boko-are-rams menace started in 2009,even the documentary you presented was in 2015. If them born Vice News well, them for go Bornu State 2012 or 2013.

Buhari and APC were lamenting about GEJ's inability to tackle boko-are-rams until elections, that doesn't make sense. No doubt the Military hardwares were bought, but why 6 weeks to elections?!

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Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by heatflux: 7:24pm On Aug 07, 2015

engineerboat:
Its very disheartening how some people can go to any length to lie and twist whatever they hear from any source.

Not long ago, some group of people claiming that for COAS Alex Badeh said that Nigeria Army lack equipment, when in the real sense he was giving an account of about 30 year of active service in Nigeria Army.

Also this same people twist The former Security Adviser Sambo Dansuki statement that all Equipment contracted out are still to be deleievred.

Well to set the record staright.

Here is the account of Dansuki speech: http://www.ionigeria.com/how-jonathan-acquired-sophisticated-weapons-for-the-military-to-fight-terrorism-dasuki/

Dansuki not only state that because of the exigency of the election (to be peaceful) great number of these equipment are Airlifted into the field of war in the North East while the remaining large quantity are awaiting Shipment.

The result of this Airlifted Equipments and Armoured Tank become the game changer during this war before the General Election, hence the new tune then "NEVER AGAIN" .

Well to give more updates on this attached are the following images and videos.

1.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIxs_NVOuTk

2.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyR0AH-Md7U

3.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muz5dhnMG6E

4.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlcEqAUIUY0

5.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kimbo5c0Ak

6.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ja4PCeeY7tI

Well Nigerians, truth can only be twisted, but cannot be denied it will surely prevail.

Have a blessed day.

because you want to defend your people/benefactors does not mean you have to come here and mislead people, or you are probably gullible. Some of us are part of the military dhur.....The alpha jets and f-7 jets (second generation aircraft)have been around for a while. Obasanjo bought them during his tenure. Let's not even talk about the foreign military pictures (antonov) you posted cos those were not the air crafts unveiled during delivery. Tanks tanks, who said nigeria lacked tanks huh

Tanks are not what was needed in that warfare. Let me stop here cos most people don't really know the constituents of our military......

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by PassingShot(m): 7:24pm On Aug 07, 2015

engineerboat:
When they say Nigeria Airforce is Zero

Do you have comprehension problem? What the president said was "virtually non existent" and not "zero". Virtually non existent means way below what we should have.

In your own estimation, do all these you've posted and others not posted commiserate with the billion of dollars we have spent on defense in the last 5 years?

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by prof12(m): 7:28pm On Aug 07, 2015

What a crap?
Let's agree that they were truly purchased but were delivered to the right soldiers at the right time? or those at the front line?
Don't forget that it was during the election period that Jonathan and is cronies started some arms to the front line just to buy votes and not because they have the security of the people at heart.
After allowing thousands of innocent civilians and military men souls to be lost.
So, Jonathan and his service chiefs, Sambo Dasuki inclusive are all mother fucking blood sucking bastards and hypocrites.

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by engineerboat(op): 7:31pm On Aug 07, 2015

mcshegz:
NAIJA I HAIL THEE

Welldone Bros

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by engineerboat(op): 7:34pm On Aug 07, 2015

PassingShot:
Do you have comprehension problem? What the president said was "virtually non existent" and not "zero". Virtually non existent means way below what we should have.

In your own estimation, do all these you've posted and others not posted commiserate with the billion of dollars we have spent on defense in the last 5 years?

Abeg show your evidence of billions of dollars spent

Nobody is saying that the Army is fully eqiupped, the question is did he buy any hardware. How many did OBJ, YARADUA and other buy.

Like I said, we are still a long way to go, but a journey of thousand miles start somewhere.
Let Oga PMB continue from there and stop all this blame game that is the aim.

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by engineerboat(op): 7:39pm On Aug 07, 2015

heatflux:
because you want to defend your people/benefactors does not mean you have to come here and mislead people, or you are probably gullible. Some of us are part of the military dhur.....The alpha jets and f-7 jets (second generation aircraft)have been around for a while. Obasanjo bought them during his tenure. Let's not even talk about the foreign military pictures (antonov) you posted cos those were not the air crafts unveiled during delivery. Tanks tanks, who said nigeria lacked tanks Tanks are not what was needed in that warfare. Let me stop here cos most people don't really know the constituents of our military......

Oga Military dhur......
A journey of thousand mile, start somewhere.
The cry is that let PMB start where GEJ stopped and all blame game should stop, there is a lot to do, at least for now, the one bought by the past administration are still the one working now, let this government do something and equip the Army more.
Shallom

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by PassingShot(m): 7:39pm On Aug 07, 2015

engineerboat:
Abeg show your evidence of billions of dollars spent

Nobody is saying that the Army is fully eqiupped, the question is did he buy any hardware. How many did OBJ, YARADUA and other buy.

Like I said, we are still a long way to go, but a journey of thousand miles start somewhere.
Let Oga PMB continue from there and stop all this blame game that is the aim.

The evidence is in the budget for defense. I am on the move now, I would have posted it here for you.

Meanwhile, you need to desist from lies and misrepresentation. Virtually non existent is not same as zero. If you didn't know the meaning of virtually, you should have checked it up b4 spewing this.

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by Randerl: 7:57pm On Aug 07, 2015

engineerboat:
Sometime one begin to wonder how we reason, The question is did GEJ government purchase this Jet or Not

The question is WHY did GEJ government purchase this Jet LATE INTO THE BOKO HARAM WAR?

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Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by Nobody: 7:57pm On Aug 07, 2015*

Let me start by saying that I do not intend to make more than 5 comments.
I don't know how old some people commenting here are, but it seems we have some juveniles among us.
An other fact which you can almost certainly take to the bank is that nobody commenting here is a Nigerian soldier. Nigerian soldiers have a busy life which they would rather not waste on social media. So anybody claiming to be a soldier or trying to give that impression here is most likely a 419.
Let me also add that GEJ was not perfect and like every human being he made his mistakes. GEJ became the president of a very divided country which had been plundered by its former rulers. The mistake GEJ made were to follow some wrong advices coming from the USA and others coming from OBJ. You see, the usa was supposedly Nigeria's greatest ally during OBJ administration, and GEJ followed OBJ's footsteps, therefor he thought he could rely on usa and obj advices and also that he could expect the usa to sell weapons to the Nigerian military in order to fight the bht (a supposed common ennemy). But instead the usa originally told GEJ that the Nigerian military had more than enough weapons, that what they didn't have was a "good training". So when some generals suggested some weapons acquisition, OBJ and the usa told GEJ to ignore those, that the generals were only trying to "corruptly" steal money. The usa came and offered its training which turned out to be useless and produced cowards who ran away from the battle field and shot at their GOC. I think the wake up call was when GEJ first started ignoring advice from OBJ and the usa and started putting the words of the generals first. Then GEJ realised that the suggestions of weapons acquisition by the generals had to be adhered to. So GEJ approached the USA and other western allies for these weapons, and those countries agreed on the sales of the weapons but gave a rather big delay before delivery. The mistake of GEJ here was that he believed that those countries were being sincere and OBJ vouched for those countries, so GEJ thought all was well. Unfortunately, at the ending of the delay, the westerners championned by america refused to sell the weapons (evethough the deal was already done and agreed upon). My friend all this made Nigeria under GEJ lose a lot of time. And finally GEJ's eyes were opened to the fact that he and Nigeria had been played by all these countries who we all thought were our best buddies. So finally GEJ started looking east for weapons supply, that is where Russia and China and Ukraine, and Czech republic and Pakistan and so on came in. But still, given the size of the order, there was a delay. Things became extremely worrisome when it became clear that the terrorists were going to engage on a mass murder of the voters during the elections, therefor GEJ did all he could to have the deliveries speeded up before elections. ( joseph1832 here is your answer )

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by Cannonleo(m): 8:00pm On Aug 07, 2015

oga enginnerboat it is an undisputed fact that the Nigerian Military has been under equipped and seriously undermined right after last ever civilian Admin of alhaji Shehu Shagari under which we had the highest procurement unbeaten by any administration until that of GEJ.
under Shagari NAF's only foe was the Libyan Airforce who we regularly Intercepted over our Northern Airspace especially over ilela with our MIG 21s .
Many people will argue with me stating how the Military was effectively able to execute Two major Opps in Liberia and Sierra Leone effectively, one fail to realize beyond rhetoric the needless loss of personnel we experienced especially when we first faced Technicals in Liberia, where CAS(close air support) was totally absent for Ground Forces,where our ALphas had been Consigned to Strategic Bombardment and extreme CAS.
All these occured because successive Military regimes had decided for regime security to Simply Keep the Military "AFLOAT" not at its optimal best.
Our dominance in that era were basically due to three facts.
(A) Sheer will of our Gallant men and the quest to prove their selves on the big stage
(b) The Little equipment we still had maintainable within that period and or TRADOC doctrine plus Optimized ORBAT doctrine(order of battle) was un matched by any of our neighbors within our battle space.

Fast forward 2+ decades later, under the admin of OBJ, the restructuring of the military from the sting of nepotism and in efficiency caused by years of Northern brandishing by AVM Paul Dike began to yield excellent fruits leading to improved efficiency and majorly a quest for maintenance.

then Came the ND wars, our hithro abandoned Amphibious Formations abandoned since the days of SIERRA leone were resurrected and the need for proper Alignment was still no determined. in all our procurement methods was totally zero, fire brigade and no sign of Local content or R& grin

(research and development within the core)the only silver lining was the fact that the Nigerian NAvy was finally beginning to find its feet as a result of the effects of ND militancy and was beginning to show enormous interest in R& grin

.with very little support.

Then came BH and the sequence of unpreparedness was repeated, NA was caught off guard as they faced technical mounted with Dshk 12.7mm HMG and wicked ZSU 23 AAA cannons , despite facing the same issue in Liberia, we were unprepared because typical, we had failed to acccess our threat levels and refused to change.

Now am going to you the plain truthful, hate GEJ or Love Him, hate his response(questionable to a level) love his response, his actions in terms of equipment procurement is the Highest in our history. not only does it set a bench mark,to the simple and Half hearted analysts it was Fire brigade in totallity. True to some extent in the first 2 yrs of his Admin but Wrong on the Last Two years.

Never has the military been so heavily involved in local R& grin

as at now, the Navy are sadly where they were supposed to be 19 yrs ago now! but are now showing incredible tech improvement especially in ship building , and centric integration though more platforms are totally needed, they have proven that if given more than the GEJ admin gave, they would stamp their feet over the navies of egypt,algeria and SA talks of new frigates,Mid shore patrol and OPV vessels, missile boats incoming, resurrected ASW(anti submarine warfare cabilities)
Africa's most trained commandos SBS etc i cant list fir time constraints

NA has had a change of doctrine and Orbat, the days of the annoying Hilux leading Convoys in Hostile Zone is over, for the first time in history of NA, a lot of emphasis was placed on the soldier as an individual and the collective as a squad before the platoon etc.New homemade Camos,flack jackets etc and then the resurgence of the word Maintenance and the spirit of NA, the reconstitution of the SF mobility doctrine in the 72 Mobile Strike Force reechoed the objective of the creation of the 72 SF airborne brigade Markurdi.
BVP-1s for fire support
BMP 3 and 4s with shurkval Module for fire support(plenty)
CSV3 big foot MRAPS,
Streint Cougar APcs, IGIRIGI (nigerian made)
INKAS LAV, MAkorov APC, Local Re-engineering of our MOVAG APC,MT-LB and Streint Tracked APC with NAEME showing that ingenuity that had faded due to years of mis-management
Our Artillery Formations for the first time had their Guns maintained and attention paid to them.
Bofor 155mm tracked(palmaria) and wheeled all brought back to life, hotwizers, recoiless Guns, a hell lot of stuff that had been lying fallow brought back to life.
Personally ,our Armoured Formations simply recieved a taste of the future in the T-72Av and M-1 battle tanks because i simply knew it was for the mean time, my greatest regret in this aspect still remains the botched deal involving T-84 oplot tanks from ukraine and hell yes i tell you personally that the american consulate in Kiev is responsible for that botched deal.

NAF i must admit regardless of everything, is still my biggest disappointment and my biggest Hope, CAS was totally improved with the modification of our Super Puma helos and our existing MIL 24 and 34s acquisition of more helos and finally reactivation of our annoying Alphas, modification of our L-39s and inquest into the Jf-17 thunders and the most painful for me the now stalled deals for a number of Su-27s and 30s from Russia through belarus(robonsport) i hope PMB sees through the facade and resurrect talks because painful to say this Chad will obtain Aerial Superiority over us in full combat mode unless feelers suggest they are just merely Deterrents with no real offensive value in prolong operation.
Still the land mass of the Area of operation in3 NE states initially reduced what ever impact the initial purchases NAF made to minimal Full level Attcks launched by Ground Forces and SF raids, with only 72 Mobility strike Group yola and 303 wing command maiduguri to serve the entire region.i would love to tackle this issue of NAF in this Combat now but i will do that latter
oh i forgot the NPF in that region became real mobile police officers, big ups to them in BAGA and MUbi not forgetting Gwoza

ultimately, Acquisitions made by the former Admin of GEJ did what it was supposed to do in the interim and medium term, plans for the long term were caught off on his side by his loss, i expect PMB to do the needful and chart his goal in a proper segmented pattern looking EASt always, all this fancy talk about getting western platforms are simply hullalbo mark my words even if we get anything from them expect a full baggage of Demeaning Conditions.

There are a lot i would have loved to talk about and much i would have loved to elaborate upon, however work calls, broaden your mind from the chains and leashes of Political affiliations and see things from the eyes of the truth, i admit that a lot of damming mistakes were made in the course of this War , however when i reflect on this mistakes i remember the words of my Algerian ARMY friend LT COL Hassan " you haven't started making mistakes at all, if you(Nigeria) now made half of the mistakes we made in the 90s then you have started to make mistakes"

if i can get back to the thread i would advice us unbiasedly to list out our Priorities in terms of intending Acquisitions for the New government in this thread. forgive me for any errors.

an less i forget.
Saboteurs :dealt a lot with
Proforce :local defense company earned a name for them selves created IGIRIGI and leopard IFV and a lot of heavy patrol boats and mod shore patrol vessels
mekhog_ikiri APC used mostly in YObe.

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Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by espn(m): 8:05pm On Aug 07, 2015

BraniacX:
And you think you're smart, do pakistan and egypt pay fully for their hardware?

Is Nigeria in the same economic bracket as south korea, USA, UK, Turkey, Iran and india

Is Nigeria a military dictatorship like north korea?

Or do you need the facts shoved up your ***se

and what's ur point? Nigeria is a sovereign state like all d state u mentioned. You can check up what sovereignty means. What has dictatorship has to do with millitary power?

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by LordMecuzy(m): 8:06pm On Aug 07, 2015

Henry120:
But, what was NAF like, before Jonathan took over?

-Under Jonathan, Nigeria placed orders for 9 MI-35M and 12 MI-171SH Helicopters.

-Under Jonathan, Nigeria received 2 up-graded MI-35 Helicopters from Ukraine.

-Under Jonathan, Nigeria Placed orders for 12 MI-35 Helicopters from Belarus.

- Under Jonathan Nigeria has received over 14 Light utility Helicopters.

- Under Jonathan Nigeria took delivery of 10 CH-3A drones from China. We are one of the very few countries to use armed Drones anywhere in the world.

- Under Jonathan Nigeria got 5 indigenous drones

- under Jonathan Nigeria got multiple tactical drones.

Under Jonathan, Nigeria has received or placed orders 59 Helicopters.

Again, what was the state of the Air Force before Jonathan?

I never blamed Jonathan in my post Bro........

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by neocortex: 8:08pm On Aug 07, 2015

Whynotthetruth:
What was NAF like for a country like Nigeria before Jonathan became president

One thing APC supporters are scared of is objective comparison I expect him to ignore
your question and flee from this thread.

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by LordMecuzy(m): 8:09pm On Aug 07, 2015

Whynotthetruth:
What was NAF like for a country like Nigeria before Jonathan became president

Did I say it was Jonathan's fault?

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by Nobody: 8:10pm On Aug 07, 2015

espn:
and what's ur point? Nigeria is a sovereign state like all d state u mentioned. You can check up what sovereignty means. What has dictatorship has to do with millitary power?

In a dictatorship you can afford to spend 80% of the state budget on weapons, while you can't do that in a democracy. In a democracy, the president doesn't have the same power as he would have in a dictatorship and some of his decisions could be overruled by the national assembly and the senate (eg: the extremely delayed loan, the state of emergency expiration, ...).

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by LordMecuzy(m): 8:10pm On Aug 07, 2015

Whynotthetruth:
Two questions for you bro...

1)Which nation or country has enough?

2)What was Nigeria armoury like before Jonathan started to equip it?

Did I mention Jonathan in my post?

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by espn(m): 8:19pm On Aug 07, 2015

patriot4:
In a dictatorship you can afford to spend 80% of the state budget on weapons, while you can't do that in a democracy. In a democracy, the president doesn't have the same power as he would have in a dictatorship and some of his decisions could be overruled by the national assembly and the senate (eg: the extremely delayed loan, the state of emergency expiration, ...).

u v a point. In a dictatorial govt u can budget a chunk of ur budget on whatever and no one will check u.. the principle of checks and balances is totally non existence..but US is a democratic state and a larger chuck of its budget is invested heavily on its military/defence.. Nigeria is a joke..we should focus and channel our resources more on our defence/millitary.

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by Whynotthetruth(m): 8:21pm On Aug 07, 2015

LordMecuzy:
Did I say it was Jonathan's fault?

Go back to your post...read it again... compare with topic of thread...then come back for a debate...thanks cheesy

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by BraniacX(m): 8:21pm On Aug 07, 2015

espn:
and what's ur point? Nigeria is a sovereign state like all d state u mentioned. You can check up what sovereignty means. What has dictatorship has to do with millitary power?

A dictatorship where one man calls the shots, where military strength is prioritised over health, education, economy, citizens welfare etc tell me one other sector where north korea betters Nigeria apart from the military!
And my point is, apart from pakistan, iran and egypt those other countries economies and spending power dwarves that of Nigeria enormously and for those three countries, their military hardware is well subsidised in political arrangements with the U.S and russia

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by agabaI23(m): 8:25pm On Aug 07, 2015

baralatie:
well!at least you can see how bad the anti-gej campaign has gone(with the effort of the APC).
I thank God that at least a Govt administration went past the hate campaigns and tried its best to equip the military.
the military will definitely need more and I pray that this administration will go past its current stance of generating propaganda and further equip the military.
kudos to the military
and God bless gej!

And God bless you too

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by Eluwilussit(m): 8:28pm On Aug 07, 2015

Nadheer15:
This OP is getting everything wrong, with all this hardwares, why did we lose more than 13,000lives? GEJ only woke up 6weeks to elections and that's when Nigeria acquired all this. Remember boko-are-rams menace started in 2009,even the documentary you presented was in 2015. If them born Vice News well, them for go Bornu State 2012 or 2013.

Buhari and APC were lamenting about GEJ's inability to tackle boko-are-rams until elections, that doesn't make sense. No doubt the Military hardwares were bought, but why 6 weeks to elections?!

GEJ waited till the last minute to acquire them. So what is Bubu waiting for, before using them? Instead we are talking of NEGOTIATION. People and I mean innocent Nigerians are dying daily in NE. Seriously, I had hope that Bubu would face the Boko boys squarely, given his utterances in the past. He criticized every step that Jona made towards the insurgency but has so far done nothing or exactly the same things that GEJ did.

One thing PMB said that I believed was that he would handle the insurgency within months. He called them rag-tagged militants. Let him stop the bloodshed by all means. NE is suffering. They are Nigerians and deserve our collective help. It is heartbreaking to hear what the people are going tru while we play politics.

The time to act is now. Our primary effort should be directed to NE. We can come back to everything else later.

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by Whynotthetruth(m): 8:28pm On Aug 07, 2015

LordMecuzy:
Did I mention Jonathan in my post?

Go back to your post...check the implicit and explicit meaning of it...then come back for a chat...thanks

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by Kenobus: 8:33pm On Aug 07, 2015

Mynd44:
If that us all the air force can boast off, they can as well be zero.

What you don't realize is that if they say the Air force is "Zero" it probably mean that the equipment available is just manageable and not idea for the air force of a nation like Nigeria and it is not enough to defend us against internal not to mention external aggressors

do you just open your mouth to vomit? Upon all GEJ did, some won't appreciate him. God does and many Nigerians do

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by ocelot2006(m): 8:36pm On Aug 07, 2015

Mynd44:
The only "jet" has the flag of another country

Mbok which jet. Please lie again

Re: Re: Equipping Of Nigeria Army And Airforce by baralatie(m): 8:44pm On Aug 07, 2015

[quote author=Cannonleo post=36716294]oga enginnerboat it is an undisputed fact that the Nigerian Military has been under equipped and seriously undermined right after last ever civilian Admin of alhaji Shehu Shagari under which we had the highest procurement unbeaten by any administration until that of GEJ.
under Shagari NAF's only foe was the Libyan Airforce who we regularly Intercepted over our Northern Airspace especially over ilela with our MIG 21s .
Many people will argue with me stating how the Military was effectively able to execute Two major Opps in Liberia and Sierra Leone effectively, one fail to realize beyond rhetoric the needless loss of personnel we experienced especially when we first faced Technicals in Liberia, where CAS(close air support) was totally absent for Ground Forces,where our ALphas had been Consigned to Strategic Bombardment and extreme CAS.
All these occured because successive Military regimes had decided for regime security to Simply Keep the Military "AFLOAT" not at its optimal best.
Our dominance in that era were basically due to three facts.
(A) Sheer will of our Gallant men and the quest to prove their selves on the big stage
(b) The Little equipment we still had maintainable within that period and or TRADOC doctrine plus Optimized ORBAT doctrine(order of battle) was un matched by any of our neighbors within our battle space.

Fast forward 2+ decades later, under the admin of OBJ, the restructuring of the military from the sting of nepotism and in efficiency caused by years of Northern brandishing by AVM Paul Dike began to yield excellent fruits leading to improved efficiency and majorly a quest for maintenance.

then Came the ND wars, our hithro abandoned Amphibious Formations abandoned since the days of SIERRA leone were resurrected and the need for proper Alignment was still no determined. in all our procurement methods was totally zero, fire brigade and no sign of Local content or R& grin

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