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He should equip it to standard of course. A standard commensurate with our annual budget for the military, and our status in West Africa and Africa.

and you think that PMB will be able to get a fourth generation fighter jets knowing that the USA and its allies has declined due to a blacklist.

baralatie:
and you think that PMB will be able to get a fourth generation fighter jets knowing that the USA and its allies has declined due to a blacklist.

Well, we are hearing that the US wants to relax restrictions, that was a major reason for the President's visit last month. So, we hope for the best. At worst, we hope for more accountability. As we spend at least $3billion annually on the military, not too far from what Egypt and co spend annually. If you go to market and don't come back with goods, where is the money? We cannot argue from three different opposing positions all at once.
How logical is it to say that we're frustrated and denied weapons, and then turn back to say we have weapons and the GEJ govt bought them, and we claim to have pictures and videos. Then amazingly say again like Dasuki that our weapons have not arrived? Something awry is ongoing.

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Well, we are hearing that the US wants to relax restrictions, that was a major reason for the President's visit last month. So, we hope for the best. At worst, we hope for more accountability. As we spend at least $3billion annually on the military, not too far from what Egypt and co spend annually. If you go to market and don't come back with goods, where is the money? We cannot argue from three different opposing positions all at once.
How logical is it to say that we're frustrated and denied weapons, and then turn back to say we have weapons and the GEJ govt bought them, and we claim to have pictures and videos. Then amazingly say again like Dasuki that our weapons have not arrived? Something awry is ongoing.

eh ehn! you are bugglin it all up
1.the USA has stated it loud and clear it will not sell your weapons based on intelligence reports and Nigeria being on that blacklist its allies will follow suit.
1a,Gej under dasuki shifted its purchase of weapons to Russia and the east.the best response was from Ukraine.
1b,the weapons offered by Ukraine was not easy to get seeing that Nigeria was on a blacklist
1c.it has received some of its deliveries even though there were delays.
1d,some of those orders remaining are still been expected

2.now PMB has gone to with the same us and HAS received the same answer(the Us will not sell Nigeria weapons)
2a,the USA offered military training
2b,when there rep came to Nigeria,it was advised that the us will see WAYS of relaxing the LEGISLATIVE BOTTLENECK against NIGERIA(Keep dreaming,Republican congress will relax wet in)
2c,the rep now said Nigerian army needs training and not equipment(gbam).

Now I am asking again where is PMB going to get a fourth generation jet fighter with its upgrades,a new boat,and Amoured tanks for the military.

^∆Patience, watch and see. We're both agreed on the fact that there are efforts in play to relax restrictions. We do need a commensurate artillery compared to our annual military budget of more than $3billion. Most of what we're currently using are old, outdated and not worth the money invested.

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the us will not hand down to The Nigerian army superior military power. they are not crazy!

baralatie:
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the us will not hand down to The Nigerian army superior military power. they are not crazy!

It's not a crazy thing to sell weapons to Nigeria. US is not the only country that sells. I will inform you as soon as we acquire superior quality weapons.

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It's not a crazy thing to sell weapons to Nigeria. US is not the only country that sells. I will inform you as soon as we acquire superior quality weapons.

I am saying it is a crazy thing for a Nigeria not to have a superior weapon.I am saying That the us is not crazy to hand over "to a elephant with a rhino force like Nigeria" superior war equipment just like that.

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^∆Patience, watch and see. We're both agreed on the fact that there are efforts in play to relax restrictions. We do need a commensurate artillery compared to our annual military budget of more than $3billion. Most of what we're currently using are old, outdated and not worth the money invested.

1st of all, thanks for making me make a 6th comment.
2) You do not actually know the budget of the military. For your information, the budget which is published is the security budget which comprises the dss, the nscdc, the police, costoms, road safety and army, navy, airforce. And it was around 5.9 billion dollars. Keep in mind that the police alone has an effectif of more than 300 000 personnel, that is to tell you the amount going for salary. Then you also have to look at barracks (including army, navy, airforce, mopol, policce, dss, costoms, nscdc barracks) rehabilitations. Then you have to look at pensions, then you have to look at maintenance of equipment, then you have to look at local manufacturing of weapons (eg: dicon weapons, igirigi, amebo, the war boat, etc...) Then finally you get the weapons procurement. And please never repeat again that Nigeria spends as much as Egypt in weapons, that is certainly not true. Egypt and algeria are africa's biggest spenders on weapons. Algeria alone spends 10 billion dollars on weapons yearly.
In my last analysis of the budget, I found out that after recurrent spendings, Nigerian armed forces (army, navy and airforce)were left with less than 1 billion dollars to spend on weapons. I invite you to go and look at the prices of the weapons you are fancying. And also keep in mind that a desperate costomer will always be asked to pay more money for the same product (that is how every market works). On the other hand egypt gets weapons from america for free and egypt gets donations from arab countries (several billionsof dollars) to procure weapons, and egypt adds even more billions to that money to buy even more weapons. Recently egypt bought a dozen of rafals, that alone would have been too much for even two years budget of the Nigerian armed forces, and the egyptian purchase for this year is only beginning, so no comparison is possible. An other problem is the fact that when Nigerian generals come out to call for the purchase of weapons, it is the masses of Nigerians who shout the generals down and call them thieves and also use the usual refrain "are we at war ?". Also, I would like you to consider the fact that te money disbursed and the budget are two different things. Then let me also question you about the "outdated weapons" comment. For your information, there is no such thing as outdated weapons. Weapons are not like the milk you buy in the market. Weapons have a purpose and a price range. If you need 90 tanks and you have a choice between two types: type A recently designed and type B designed 40 years ago. Keep in mind that both weapons perform the same role which you want to buy the weapons for. Then next you can look at your dwindling budget and ask yourself should I buy 20 A tanks or use the same money to buy 107 B tanks ? As for patiently waiting for the usa to agree to sell us weapons, I would like you to abandon that ludicrous idea. The usa has never sold weapons to Nigeria and never will. When Nigeria was patiently waiting for usa weapons, bht was busy taking land from us. If we had waited any longer, Nigeria would be called bht-land today. Unless you can convince bht to be patient and wait for the usa to agree to sell weapons to Nigeria (perharps in 100 years) before attacking any further, you shouldn't be asking Nigerians to be patiently waiting for usa approval while bht is killing their relatives.

patriot4:
First of all, please don't claim what you can't prove, so untill you prove that you live in a barracks, nobody should believe that claim. And I wonder what you mean by "the average soldier is underkitted". for your info an individual soldier who has access to a gun is not "underkitted". And in our case, we are talking about soldiers who even wear helmets and bullet proof vests and are provided a uniform allowance (to buy the uniform and boots from army shops). If you expected each soldier to be driving an apc or an mrap then you must have confused Nigeria with the Klingoln confederacy. As for the comment of "rusty ak", it is verry unfortunate that your idea of the AKM is that of something rusty. Even the Egyptian military still uses the AKM. Besides, please try and provide proof of anything you state. (eg: show us pictures of the soldier you are describing, don't expect people to believe you without proof, because one can never know whom he is addressing on the web).

I'm a corper doctor in one of the army barracks. Would I ask the 'soldiers' to wait and snap them so I can post on nairaland?! I treat them, drink with them and I'm privy to the life of a soldier- what the average civilian mightn't know. I love the military, love it from the outside but what I've seen on the inside is a group of people enslaved in the name of being soldiers and put in the gravest of dangers. You expect a regular soldier to pay 18k for a pair of boots from his paltry salary? You give him just 2 clips of ammo and expect him to face the 'barca' boys? Am not saying the AK is outdated, I'm just saying our soldiers don't deserve to carry the ones they do- rusty, very rusty! Some with bad safeties ( saw a man not to long who accidentally shot himself in the foot, a result of a bad safety, and with those funny wooden stocks I see. I'm not a soldier o, but soldiers and the officers I see complain a lot. I hear battlefront experiences everyday- how they were routed by Boko boys in some operations, how u are doomed when your two clips are exhausted...and forget the army being underfunded, we know how the generals roll ( leave matter for Matthias)
Bros the average Nigerian soldier is underkitted and underarmed!

patriot4:
1st of all, thanks for making me make a 6th comment.
2) You do not actually know the budget of the military. For your information, the budget which is published is the security budget which comprises the dss, the nscdc, the police, costoms, road safety and army, navy, airforce. And it was around 5.9 billion dollars. Keep in mind that the police alone has an effectif of more than 300 000 personnel, that is to tell you the amount going for salary. Then you also have to look at barracks (including army, navy, airforce, mopol, policce, dss, costoms, nscdc barracks) rehabilitations. Then you have to look at pensions, then you have to look at maintenance of equipment, then you have to look at local manufacturing of weapons (eg: dicon weapons, igirigi, amebo, the war boat, etc...) Then finally you get the weapons procurement. And please never repeat again that Nigeria spends as much as Egypt in weapons, that is certainly not true. Egypt and algeria are africa's biggest spenders on weapons. Algeria alone spends 10 billion dollars on weapons yearly.
In my last analysis of the budget, I found out that after recurrent spendings, Nigerian armed forces (army, navy and airforce)were left with less than 1 billion dollars to spend on weapons. I invite you to go and look at the prices of the weapons you are fancying. And also keep in mind that a desperate costomer will always be asked to pay more money for the same product (that is how every market works). On the other hand egypt gets weapons from america for free and egypt gets donations from arab countries (several billionsof dollars) to procure weapons, and egypt adds even more billions to that money to buy even more weapons. Recently egypt bought a dozen of rafals, that alone would have been too much for even two years budget of the Nigerian armed forces, and the egyptian purchase for this year is only beginning, so no comparison is possible. An other problem is the fact that when Nigerian generals come out to call for the purchase of weapons, it is the masses of Nigerians who shout the generals down and call them thieves and also use the usual refrain "are we at war ?". Also, I would like you to consider the fact that te money disbursed and the budget are two different things. Then let me also question you about the "outdated weapons" comment. For your information, there is no such thing as outdated weapons. Weapons are not like the milk you buy in the market. Weapons have a purpose and a price range. If you need 90 tanks and you have a choice between two types: type A recently designed and type B designed 40 years ago. Keep in mind that both weapons perform the same role which you want to buy the weapons for. Then next you can look at your dwindling budget and ask yourself should I buy 20 A tanks or use the same money to buy 107 B tanks ? As for patiently waiting for the usa to agree to sell us weapons, I would like you to abandon that ludicrous idea. The usa has never sold weapons to Nigeria and never will. When Nigeria was patiently waiting for usa weapons, bht was busy taking land from us. If we had waited any longer, Nigeria would be called bht-land today. Unless you can convince bht to be patient and wait for the usa to agree to sell weapons to Nigeria (perharps in 100 years) before attacking any further, you shouldn't be asking Nigerians to be patiently waiting for usa approval while bht is killing their relatives.

If u think buying any tank is all that matters then wahala dey o! We could even buy those WW2 tanks and use them instead. If a ragtag group of fanatics could cause us so much wahala, what would happen when a mad African president wants to annex a part of our territory?

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Nigeria needs and wants a good and well equipped army. We have the size/personnel strength but not the standard equipment. Our equipment are outdated and not enough. We should be better equipped than Egypt, South Africa and any other African country in terms of WANTS and ability. We can be as equipped as the Royal Airforce in terms of NEEDS.

wants and need are determined by scale of preference. Agreed we need more weapon. But given the circumstances GEJ founf himself, if he had not look the way of RUSSIA; UKRAINE, CHINA etc, did you think dat any peaceful election will have been held in the NE and some NW and if dat has happen to whoose advantage.

Also the shout of obsolete weapons, kindly From your sincere church mind point to any obsolete from the equipment gotten so far by GEJ and those still been expected for shipment.

Our army need to be equiped more infact #ArmedNigeriaToTheTeeth, but we should not be held hostage by USA and His allies, let PMB look other ways and get other needed addition to what is on ground.

HBB1:
I'm a corper doctor in one of the army barracks. Would I ask the 'soldiers' to wait and snap them so I can post on nairaland?! I treat them, drink with them and I'm privy to the life of a soldier- what the average civilian mightn't know. I love the military, love it from the outside but what I've seen on the inside is a group of people enslaved in the name of being soldiers and put in the gravest of dangers. You expect a regular soldier to pay 18k for a pair of boots from his paltry salary? You give him just 2 clips of ammo and expect him to face the 'barca' boys? Am not saying the AK is outdated, I'm just saying our soldiers don't deserve to carry the ones they do- rusty, very rusty! Some with bad safeties ( saw a man not to long who accidentally shot himself in the foot, a result of a bad safety, and with those funny wooden stocks I see. I'm not a soldier o, but soldiers and the officers I see complain a lot. I hear battlefront experiences everyday- how they were routed by Boko boys in some operations, how u are doomed when your two clips are exhausted...and forget the army being underfunded, we know how the generals roll ( leave matter for Matthias)
Bros the average Nigerian soldier is underkitted and underarmed!

Please stop with the claims, i do not believe you and it actually makes you look like a liar. As I have said, the soldiers are provided with uniform allocation. That means that the soldiers are given money to buy their uniforms. That is the international best practice. And that might even give the soldiers extra money if they maintain their uniform well and don't need to buy new ones too often. As for the "2 clips of ammo" comment, that is not true. I have seen pictures of Nigerian soldiers loaded with mags. And I am getting tired of people whose only argument is a claim to be working in a position which offers them a knowledge not available to me. Rather bring proof instead of claiming something I can't verrify. I would like to remind you that a soldier who has a functionning gun and bullets is not underkitted. And Nigerian soldiers have helmets and bulletproof vest and uniforms on top of that. As for the budget, I personnaly analysed it and I arrived at my own conclusions, so trying to tell me otherwise is futile, especially with such a weak argument. I advise everybody to analyse the Nigerian security budget, to extract the part which is meant for defence and see for himself. My conclusion was that the military was underfunded.

baralatie:
I am saying it is a crazy thing for a Nigeria not to have a superior weapon.I am saying That the us is not crazy to hand over "to a elephant with a rhino force like Nigeria" superior war equipment just like that.

Don't be ridiculous, the Nigerian Army is not as "superior" as you think. The US sells weapons to more so called "superior" countries than Nigeria. It is Nigeria's loss of face in the international community that has made things relatively cumbersome. That 'face'is being restored as we speak.

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Don't be ridiculous, the Nigerian Army is not as "superior" as you think. The US sells weapons to more so called "superior" countries than Nigeria. It is Nigeria's loss of face in the international community that has made things relatively cumbersome. That 'face'is being restored as we speak.

by accusing the USA that it is aiding b.h is a big dent.
excluding the fact that your entourage lacked a credible techno craft teams

HBB1:
If u think buying any tank is all that matters then wahala dey o! We could even buy those WW2 tanks and use them instead. If a ragtag group of fanatics could cause us so much wahala, what would happen when a mad African president wants to annex a part of our territory?

Doctor Corper, looking at the NAF & NA hardware and various platforms so far, is it T-72, Mi-35, rugged Gazelle that is outdated, mind you environmental determines what bring on.

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Don't be ridiculous, the Nigerian Army is not as "superior" as you think. The US sells weapons to more so called "superior" countries than Nigeria. It is Nigeria's loss of face in the international community that has made things relatively cumbersome. That 'face'is being restored as we speak.

Sometime people tend to forget the adage, "IF YOU LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE, YOU ONT THROW STONE". When some people where shouting
GEJ is killing the North with his army, now its back firing again, you are saying Nigeria's loss face, abeg no talk dat kind thing now.

HBB1:
I'm a corper doctor in one of the army barracks. Would I ask the 'soldiers' to wait and snap them so I can post on nairaland?! I treat them, drink with them and I'm privy to the life of a soldier- what the average civilian mightn't know. I love the military, love it from the outside but what I've seen on the inside is a group of people enslaved in the name of being soldiers and put in the gravest of dangers. You expect a regular soldier to pay 18k for a pair of boots from his paltry salary? You give him just 2 clips of ammo and expect him to face the 'barca' boys? Am not saying the AK is outdated, I'm just saying our soldiers don't deserve to carry the ones they do- rusty, very rusty! Some with bad safeties ( saw a man not to long who accidentally shot himself in the foot, a result of a bad safety, and with those funny wooden stocks I see. I'm not a soldier o, but soldiers and the officers I see complain a lot. I hear battlefront experiences everyday- how they were routed by Boko boys in some operations, how u are doomed when your two clips are exhausted...and forget the army being underfunded, we know how the generals roll ( leave matter for Matthias)
Bros the average Nigerian soldier is underkitted and underarmed!

Whos are these abeg, dont start what you cannot finish.

This is not Medicine, did you carry out an operation with a machine you are not used to. Also is it every operation d at require cold environment or hot environment.

when you carry a gun that its not easy to get the bullet or repair done on time in the warfront, what did you want the army to do. Now that thte tiddes turn against the BHT which gun are they using.

engineerboat:
wants and need are determined by scale of preference. Agreed we need more weapon. But given the circumstances GEJ founf himself, if he had not look the way of RUSSIA; UKRAINE, CHINA etc, did you think dat any peaceful election will have been held in the NE and some NW and if dat has happen to whoose advantage.

Also the shout of obsolete weapons, kindly From your sincere church mind point to any obsolete from the equipment gotten so far by GEJ and those still been expected for shipment.

Our army need to be equiped more infact #ArmedNigeriaToTheTeeth, but we should not be held hostage by USA and His allies, let PMB look other ways and get other needed addition to what is on ground.

We are both saying the same thing somewhat, and that is "Nigeria needs and wants a good and well equipped army. Our equipment are outdated and not enough." i do not exactly care about GEJ or GMB or OBJ or Lugard or whoever, but since you insist on talking about them, i will talk a little about them, especially in my next post to patriot4. Your thread and OP is trying to tell us that we are equipped, that the Nigerian Army and Airforce are equipped, that anyone is wrong to say that we lack a good airforce. This is where we disagree. We are not well equipped, nobody is saying we don't have some hilux jeep, AK47s and some helicopters. That's all rubbish if you know what a real military is all about. We have the largest population in Africa, and are well able to have a good military, especially compared to what obtains in countries like Egypt, South Africa, Angola, Algeria etc, not to mention Europe or America, or even Asia and the South America. There are more than 100countries from who we can buy weapons if we know what we are doing. Please read my next post, i will talk more elaborate there. Thanks.

patriot4:
Please stop with the claims, i do not believe you and it actually makes you look like a liar. As I have said, the soldiers are provided with uniform allocation. That means that the soldiers are given money to buy their uniforms. That is the international best practice. And that might even give the soldiers extra money if they maintain their uniform well and don't need to buy new ones too often. As for the "2 clips of ammo" comment, that is not true. I have seen pictures of Nigerian soldiers loaded with mags. And I am getting tired of people whose only argument is a claim to be working in a position which offers them a knowledge not available to me. Rather bring proof instead of claiming something I can't verrify. I would like to remind you that a soldier who has a functionning gun and bullets is not underkitted. And Nigerian soldiers have helmets and bulletproof vest and uniforms on top of that. As for the budget, I personnaly analysed it and I arrived at my own conclusions, so trying to tell me otherwise is futile, especially with such a weak argument. I advise everybody to analyse the Nigerian security budget, to extract the part which is meant for defence and see for himself. My conclusion was that the military was underfunded.

Oga, u don win! I would lie because someone will pay me money? Picture this, picture that, abeg! We talking reality u talking pictures, do you know one soldier that gets the said uniform allowance? If the soldiers had enough ammo, why would they complain of being outgunned severally- so much 2 clips can do.

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We are both saying the same thing somewhat, and that is "Nigeria needs and wants a good and well equipped army. Our equipment are outdated and not enough." i do not exactly care about GEJ or GMB or OBJ or Lugard or whoever, but since you insist on talking about them, i will talk a little about them, especially in my next post to patriot4. Your thread and OP is trying to tell us that we are equipped, that the Nigerian Army and Airforce are equipped, that anyone is wrong to say that we lack a good airforce. This is where we disagree. We are not well equipped, nobody is saying we don't have some hilux jeep, AK47s and some helicopters. That's all rubbish if you know what a real military is all about. We have the largest population in Africa, and are well able to have a good military, especially compared to what obtains in countries like Egypt, South Africa, Angola, Algeria etc, not to mention Europe or America, or even Asia and the South America. There are more than 100countries from who we can buy weapons if we know what we are doing. Please read my next post, i will talk more elaborate there. Thanks.

I want to believe that if you've been going by comments on this this, you will come to notice dat the emphasis has been that we are not there yet, also most comment here is in reference to BHT, ravaging the NE, N W, NC of the country.
Also right from the OP, the emphasis is also to explain that what GEJ did was to try and get available options and means for the NA , NAF , SF, NPF, MOPOL, to fight the ongoing counter-isurgency in the NE, at least for now we are not fighting with any other country, though thats not an excuse. Hence my question "NEEDS & WANTS. do we say because we want sophisticated weapons from USA and her allies, allowed BHT continue in their onslaught, when there are other available alternatives from other country.

HBB1:
Oga, u don win! I would lie because someone will pay me money? Picture this, picture that, abeg! We talking reality u talking pictures, do you know one soldier that gets the said uniform allowance? If the soldiers had enough ammo, why would they complain of being outgunned severally- so much 2 clips can do.

A question for you, is it all Doctor that practise their profession successfully, is it all doctors that can carry out operations successfully, why is it that patient s run away from some doctors. Likewise many are in the NA, NAF not because of the Job but because of the pay, lest we forget, there are many moles

engineerboat:
Whos are these abeg, dont start what you cannot finish.

This is not Medicine, did you carry out an operation with a machine you are not used to. Also is it every operation d at require cold environment or hot environment.

when you carry a gun that its not easy to get the bullet or repair done on time in the warfront, what did you want the army to do. Now that thte tiddes turn against the BHT which gun are they using.

Guess the soldiers are a bunch of fucking cowards that drop their weapons and run from the bathroom slippers wearing brutes. If they have been routing our army even though we have adequate weapons, nobody has to beg anybody for weapons or try to buy weapons. BTW, I can't tell a T-72 from a Panzer tank, I just know I'm appalled by the tanks that I see, if u can call them that. I've only seen two APC'S in my barracks that are worthy of the army,and the day they used them, a camera crew was following them about like they were made of gold ( I'm sure they posted the pictures somewhere as the standard issue of the army)

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We are both saying the same thing somewhat, and that is "Nigeria needs and wants a good and well equipped army. Our equipment are outdated and not enough." i do not exactly care about GEJ or GMB or OBJ or Lugard or whoever, but since you insist on talking about them, i will talk a little about them, especially in my next post to patriot4. Your thread and OP is trying to tell us that we are equipped, that the Nigerian Army and Airforce are equipped, that anyone is wrong to say that we lack a good airforce. This is where we disagree. We are not well equipped, nobody is saying we don't have some hilux jeep, AK47s and some helicopters. That's all rubbish if you know what a real military is all about. We have the largest population in Africa, and are well able to have a good military, especially compared to what obtains in countries like Egypt, South Africa, Angola, Algeria etc, not to mention Europe or America, or even Asia and the South America. There are more than 100countries from who we can buy weapons if we know what we are doing. Please read my next post, i will talk more elaborate there. Thanks.

As a Doctor "Like you said". Did you use a day to carry out an Operation and treatment for almost dead patient and discharge him immedeately with a report that now you can go you are completely okay. So what we are saying is that if other Administration have been doing this little by little in their capacity, our Military will not be where they are today.

Mind you those country you mentioned did not acquire those hardwares and platforms in a day.

HBB1:
Guess the soldiers are a bunch of fucking cowards that drop their weapons and run from the bathroom slippers wearing brutes. If they have been routing our army even though we have adequate weapons, nobody has to beg anybody for weapons or try to buy weapons. BTW, I can't tell a T-72 from a Panzer tank, I just know I'm appalled by the tanks that I see, if u can call them that. I've only seen two APC'S in my barracks that are worthy of the army,and the day they used them, a camera crew was following them about like they were made of gold ( I'm sure they posted the pictures somewhere as the standard issue of the army)

Nobody said we have enough, but you got to work with what you have. Is you barrack in the NE, NW, NC. Once again, you've not said anything about t he picture you comment on.

engineerboat:
Nobody said we have enough, but you got to work with what you have. Is you barrack in the NE, NW, NC. Once again, you've not said anything about t he picture you comment on.

The guy doesn't have any presence in any barracks, he is just telling stories. This kind of lie in which people claim to have access to more info than you is unmistakeable and I have seen it done way too many times.

This is one of the best armies that is still protecting Queen Eliza's colony called Nigeria, where poverty is widespread, thieves are senate president and deputy, coupist are elected as C-in-C, and citizens are still flying courtesy of Oyibo to and fro their papa land

patriot4:
The guy doesn't have any presence in any barracks, he is just telling stories. This kind of lie in which people claim to have access to more info than you is unmistakeable and I have seen it done way too many times.

They think if they tells lies many times, it will eventually stick and turn to truth. Can any government fully equiped his army, given the kind of politics been played in Nigeria

HBB1:
Guess the soldiers are a bunch of fucking cowards that drop their weapons and run from the bathroom slippers wearing brutes. If they have been routing our army even though we have adequate weapons, nobody has to beg anybody for weapons or try to buy weapons. BTW, I can't tell a T-72 from a Panzer tank, I just know I'm appalled by the tanks that I see, if u can call them that. I've only seen two APC'S in my barracks that are worthy of the army,and the day they used them, a camera crew was following them about like they were made of gold ( I'm sure they posted the pictures somewhere as the standard issue of the army)

You are no more a corper Doctor now a Doctor Spectator. While busy taking care of your acclaimed un-eqiped injured soldier you still have the time to go outside the barrack to watch film show of the only two APC from you barrack that is been driven out. Find another story abeg

1. i'll be attaching two or so small documents and quoting from them. Anybody that has data and a computer can access these documents, i did not make them up.
2. i love our army(the Nigerian Army), i appreciate all that they are doing, and i pray for their success in their efforts to ensue our peace and unity.
cc: engineerboat

patriot4:
1st of all, thanks for making me make a 6th comment.
2) You do not actually know the budget of the military. For your information, the budget which is published is the security budget which comprises the dss, the nscdc, the police, costoms, road safety and army, navy, airforce. And it was around 5.9 billion dollars. Keep in mind that the police alone has an effectif of more than 300 000 personnel, that is to tell you the amount going for salary. Then you also have to look at barracks (including army, navy, airforce, mopol, policce, dss, costoms, nscdc barracks) rehabilitations. Then you have to look at pensions, then you have to look at maintenance of equipment, then you have to look at local manufacturing of weapons (eg: dicon weapons, igirigi, amebo, the war boat, etc...) Then finally you get the weapons procurement.

i really don't 'care' if the Nigerian Army spends its military budget on building Redeem Camp or feeding the hungry children in Cambodia. i simply compared our military budget with other countries in the world and commensurate to what we have as artillery/weapons and what they have. Quoting from SIPRI for instance, Nigeria's military budget for 2013(in millions of US$) is 2,419. Tunisia is 759, Benin is 86, Cameroon is 393, South Africa is 4135, Egypt is 4360. It is in comparison with these and many other countries that i am commenting. They also pay salaries and pensions and other expenses, but this is their military budgets, or more accurately their military expenditures. When you compare what we are spending/expending to Cameroon, Chad, Benin, Ghana and co, you will understand the shame why those armies had more clue about what to do than our army did, until recently. Those countries were dealing more effectively with the boko haram threat than Nigeria WAS. Those armies were coming into Nigeria at will and acting like our big brothers and guardian angels. Recently, the Presidency was talking about Ghana controlling Nigerian airspace or something like that. Nigeria was a joke, these are the facts. Nobody should now come and tell us how well we were doing and how we deserve a medal like these things happened thousands of years ago during the times of Nebuchadnezar and Oduduwa.

And please never repeat again that Nigeria spends as much as Egypt in weapons, that is certainly not true. Egypt and algeria are africa's biggest spenders on weapons. Algeria alone spends 10 billion dollars on weapons yearly.

Please get me accurately, i said we spend "not too far from what Egypt and co spend annually." i also said "We should be better equipped than Egypt, South Africa and any other African country in terms of WANTS and ability." This is different from saying that we spend as much. i said we SHOULD BE, and that we are not too far. My point is/was that if/since we are not too far, our results should not be too far. If we are spending more than 50% of what they are spending, at least, we should have more than 50% what they have, that's the logical and commensurate thing.
Take a cursory look at this wikipedia link at our airforce. You can also search for any other country's airforce to compare, the difference is clear, both on paper, in reality, on the net, and on the ground. What one observes is how much the output of former administrations is very clear and precise compared to the last administration. The last administration was more interested in politicising everything. Take a look at that link and the history of what was bought and done, in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, even 2000s. Compare to from 2010s. No achievement of note, only politics of established Air Force Mobility Command headquarters in Yenagoa, first female pilot following directive by President Jonathan, approaching Pakistan to purchase weapon which is yet to be finalized. These are not impressive at all especially given the fact that we spent more money during these times, and there was a lot of noise about how other previous governments have neglected the army. One would think the people talking did something very impressive, only to discover that they either bought some few and mostly second hand equipment around election time, and complained a lot about how they were being frustrated either by witches or APC or America.

In my last analysis of the budget, I found out that after recurrent spendings, Nigerian armed forces (army, navy and airforce)were left with less than 1 billion dollars to spend on weapons. I invite you to go and look at the prices of the weapons you are fancying. And also keep in mind that a desperate costomer will always be asked to pay more money for the same product (that is how every market works). On the other hand egypt gets weapons from america for free and egypt gets donations from arab countries (several billionsof dollars) to procure weapons, and egypt adds even more billions to that money to buy even more weapons. Recently egypt bought a dozen of rafals, that alone would have been too much for even two years budget of the Nigerian armed forces, and the egyptian purchase for this year is only beginning, so no comparison is possible.

i'm going to quote some 10 countries and their military expenditure in the last ten years. The quotes are attached to this post and can be verified from sipri. Please, compare us with other countries and get a better perspective of where we are and where we ought to be. We have/had money, we are the largest population and biggest economy in Africa. We have/can afford what most of these countries have. Note that the values are in millions of US$.
1. Nigeria 640 674.2 776.2 971 1616 1504 1990 2385 2316 2419 2265
2. Algeria 2802 2925 3094 3946 5172 5281 5671 8652 9326 10405 11862
3. Angola 818 1365 1970 2032 3164 3311 3501 3639 4145 6091 6842
4. Benin 41.8 44.7 46.8 . . 64.7 . . . . . . 78.2 86.0 93.0
5. Cameroon 221 223 257 297 347 343 354 347 354 393 401
6. South Africa 3099 3567 3506 3526 3286 3593 4188 4594 4490 4135 3895
7. Brazil 9780 13589 16405 20486 24453 25649 34003 36936 33987 32958 31744
8. Malaysia 2823 3120 3266 3971 4412 3965 3854 4807 4697 4842 4919
9. Pakistan 3723 4128 4587 4969 5343 5227 5275 5975 6955 7479 7645 8537
10. Switzerland 3504 3485 3329 3525 4098 4056 4115 4974 4592 5053 5229
11. Egypt 2370 2659 2953 3307 3780 4017 4407 4464 4558 4360 4961

If you look through this table and the chart, and see that some of these countries don't even need to spend as much as we do on their military. We are richer than some of these countries, and need to spend more than many of them. So when i say we are not doing well, please don't insult us by saying that we are. And then even with how much we have spent, we should not be in the same league or worse than the likes of cameroon, Ghana, Senegal, Congo and some other African nations. When you look at these militaries and their artilleries, it is not too hard to say we do not have an airforce or a military, APART of course, from out number strength.

An other problem is the fact that when Nigerian generals come out to call for the purchase of weapons, it is the masses of Nigerians who shout the generals down and call them thieves and also use the usual refrain "are we at war ?". Also, I would like you to consider the fact that te money disbursed and the budget are two different things. Then let me also question you about the "outdated weapons" comment. For your information, there is no such thing as outdated weapons. Weapons are not like the milk you buy in the market. Weapons have a purpose and a price range. If you need 90 tanks and you have a choice between two types: type A recently designed and type B designed 40 years ago. Keep in mind that both weapons perform the same role which you want to buy the weapons for. Then next you can look at your dwindling budget and ask yourself should I buy 20 A tanks or use the same money to buy 107 B tanks ?

Point of correction, our military budget and EXPENDITURE is not dwindling, except dwindling as a new meaning. Also, our budgets and purchases have not been hinged on masses talk or public opinion. Please lets put out politics from this issue and face facts. Even when Nigeria was under mandatory EU or commonwealth embargo, during Abacha's time, we did not whine like this. The last administration had no serious embargo. In fact, thank God for Buhari who just made majority know about any Leahy law, which is peculiar to the US. Despite that, we have spent more money in the past few years with very little result. i attached the other document showing our arms purchases from 1979 to 2014. It showed that the last administration lied about other administrations not buying arms. They bought more arms than the last admistration despite the fact of them spending much more. We have also bought from many countries INCLUDING the U.S

As for patiently waiting for the usa to agree to sell us weapons, I would like you to abandon that ludicrous idea. The usa has never sold weapons to Nigeria and never will. When Nigeria was patiently waiting for usa weapons, bht was busy taking land from us. If we had waited any longer, Nigeria would be called bht-land today. Unless you can convince bht to be patient and wait for the usa to agree to sell weapons to Nigeria (perharps in 100 years) before attacking any further, you shouldn't be asking Nigerians to be patiently waiting for usa approval while bht is killing their relatives.

It is not a ludicrous idea to wait a little for diplomatic talks to yield fruits. Nigeria and the U.S just had talks about two weeks ago, its too short a timeframe for anyone to conclude that it was a useless venture when the two parties did not say so but hinted otherwise. If they do not sell, no problem but i expect that they will sell. Look at the second document i attached or make your findings here or wherever else that is credible. In the document, you will see that Nigeria has bought arms from MANY many countries before. We have also bought very well from the US. In fact, in 1987, we assembled some 60 pieces of RV-6 for them. We have done business with them very well even till last year. Also, nothing stops us from acting simulteneously and sourcing weapons from different other countries. This link from wikipedia also shows that the US is one of our suppliers. This one also says that we bought M40s from them. So brother, lets stop politics and partisan arguments. Lets move this country forward. Our military has not been transformed, they need transformation, and we will get it, America or no America.


Sorry the first file would not upload, it is a 500kb excel file, and NL takes 250kb. You can view here, or download here

image123, your affiliation to the apc party is not something you hide very well. Quoting wikipedia, is that a new thing ? Since when is the rv6 a weapon ? And all your other links were quite void. Look, I used to be a patriot of Nigeria and at this point I don't have any sympathy for the country anymore. What i said, were coming directly from my own brain and personal research and analysis. If I were to be a writer for sipri, then your likes would be quoting me.

image123 , there is a reason why I initially intended to post only 5 comments. you see I know nairaland very well, in here people don't submit to logics, they try and trick their way out of everything, and that is exactly what you are doing. Look, I don't see the usefulness of these propaganda pieces you are fabricating. The elections are over, perharps it is time you get off the campaign mood. Don't you think you might have some genuin ideas to contribute ? Why must you lie all the way ? campaign is over !

image123, I would also like to draw your attention to the fact that I get my information from the same place sipri gets its information. You see the budget was made public and it is on that basis that I worked. Still I don't see where you proved me wrong. I don't know why you keep posting the same sipri page which doesn't even mention Nigeria. I don't like this at all. I came here with all the honesty I had, hoping to bring light where there is darkness, and I am met with a fraudster who is trying to push an other lie. Please enough political campaign ! enough is enough ! Even the nazis were not as dishonnest as your likes.