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Image123:
1. i'll be attaching two or so small documents and quoting from them. Anybody that has data and a computer can access these documents, i did not make them up.
2. i love our army(the Nigerian Army), i appreciate all that they are doing, and i pray for their success in their efforts to ensue our peace and unity.
cc: engineerboat


i really don't 'care' if the Nigerian Army spends its military budget on building Redeem Camp or feeding the hungry children in Cambodia. i simply compared our military budget with other countries in the world and commensurate to what we have as artillery/weapons and what they have. Quoting from SIPRI for instance, Nigeria's military budget for 2013(in millions of US$) is 2,419. Tunisia is 759, Benin is 86, Cameroon is 393, South Africa is 4135, Egypt is 4360. It is in comparison with these and many other countries that i am commenting. They also pay salaries and pensions and other expenses, but this is their military budgets, or more accurately their military expenditures. When you compare what we are spending/expending to Cameroon, Chad, Benin, Ghana and co, you will understand the shame why those armies had more clue about what to do than our army did, until recently. Those countries were dealing more effectively with the boko haram threat than Nigeria WAS. Those armies were coming into Nigeria at will and acting like our big brothers and guardian angels. Recently, the Presidency was talking about Ghana controlling Nigerian airspace or something like that. Nigeria was a joke, these are the facts. Nobody should now come and tell us how well we were doing and how we deserve a medal like these things happened thousands of years ago during the times of Nebuchadnezar and Oduduwa.





Please get me accurately, i said we spend "not too far from what Egypt and co spend annually." i also said "We should be better equipped than Egypt, South Africa and any other African country in terms of WANTS and ability." This is different from saying that we spend as much. i said we SHOULD BE, and that we are not too far. My point is/was that if/since we are not too far, our results should not be too far. If we are spending more than 50% of what they are spending, at least, we should have more than 50% what they have, that's the logical and commensurate thing.
Take a cursory look at this wikipedia link at our airforce. You can also search for any other country's airforce to compare, the difference is clear, both on paper, in reality, on the net, and on the ground. What one observes is how much the output of former administrations is very clear and precise compared to the last administration. The last administration was more interested in politicising everything. Take a look at that link and the history of what was bought and done, in the 60s, 70s, 80s, 90s, even 2000s. Compare to from 2010s. No achievement of note, only politics of established Air Force Mobility Command headquarters in Yenagoa, first female pilot following directive by President Jonathan, approaching Pakistan to purchase weapon which is yet to be finalized. These are not impressive at all especially given the fact that we spent more money during these times, and there was a lot of noise about how other previous governments have neglected the army. One would think the people talking did something very impressive, only to discover that they either bought some few and mostly second hand equipment around election time, and complained a lot about how they were being frustrated either by witches or APC or America.



i'm going to quote some 10 countries and their military expenditure in the last ten years. The quotes are attached to this post and can be verified from sipri. Please, compare us with other countries and get a better perspective of where we are and where we ought to be. We have/had money, we are the largest population and biggest economy in Africa. We have/can afford what most of these countries have. Note that the values are in millions of US$.
1. Nigeria 640 674.2 776.2 971 1616 1504 1990 2385 2316 2419 2265
2. Algeria 2802 2925 3094 3946 5172 5281 5671 8652 9326 10405 11862
3. Angola 818 1365 1970 2032 3164 3311 3501 3639 4145 6091 6842
4. Benin 41.8 44.7 46.8 . . 64.7 . . . . . . 78.2 86.0 93.0
5. Cameroon 221 223 257 297 347 343 354 347 354 393 401
6. South Africa 3099 3567 3506 3526 3286 3593 4188 4594 4490 4135 3895
7. Brazil 9780 13589 16405 20486 24453 25649 34003 36936 33987 32958 31744
8. Malaysia 2823 3120 3266 3971 4412 3965 3854 4807 4697 4842 4919
9. Pakistan 3723 4128 4587 4969 5343 5227 5275 5975 6955 7479 7645 8537
10. Switzerland 3504 3485 3329 3525 4098 4056 4115 4974 4592 5053 5229
11. Egypt 2370 2659 2953 3307 3780 4017 4407 4464 4558 4360 4961

If you look through this table and the chart, and see that some of these countries don't even need to spend as much as we do on their military. We are richer than some of these countries, and need to spend more than many of them. So when i say we are not doing well, please don't insult us by saying that we are. And then even with how much we have spent, we should not be in the same league or worse than the likes of cameroon, Ghana, Senegal, Congo and some other African nations. When you look at these militaries and their artilleries, it is not too hard to say we do not have an airforce or a military, APART of course, from out number strength.





Point of correction, our military budget and EXPENDITURE is not dwindling, except dwindling as a new meaning. Also, our budgets and purchases have not been hinged on masses talk or public opinion. Please lets put out politics from this issue and face facts. Even when Nigeria was under mandatory EU or commonwealth embargo, during Abacha's time, we did not whine like this. The last administration had no serious embargo. In fact, thank God for Buhari who just made majority know about any Leahy law, which is peculiar to the US. Despite that, we have spent more money in the past few years with very little result. i attached the other document showing our arms purchases from 1979 to 2014. It showed that the last administration lied about other administrations not buying arms. They bought more arms than the last admistration despite the fact of them spending much more. We have also bought from many countries INCLUDING the U.S



It is not a ludicrous idea to wait a little for diplomatic talks to yield fruits. Nigeria and the U.S just had talks about two weeks ago, its too short a timeframe for anyone to conclude that it was a useless venture when the two parties did not say so but hinted otherwise. If they do not sell, no problem but i expect that they will sell. Look at the second document i attached or make your findings here or wherever else that is credible. In the document, you will see that Nigeria has bought arms from MANY many countries before. We have also bought very well from the US. In fact, in 1987, we assembled some 60 pieces of RV-6 for them. We have done business with them very well even till last year. Also, nothing stops us from acting simulteneously and sourcing weapons from different other countries. This link from wikipedia also shows that the US is one of our suppliers. This one also says that we bought M40s from them. So brother, lets stop politics and partisan arguments. Lets move this country forward. Our military has not been transformed, they need transformation, and we will get it, America or no America.


Sorry the first file would not upload, it is a 500kb excel file, and NL takes 250kb. You can view here, or download here

Man abeg do you comparison very before commenting abeg.

Where you are quoting from, they also get their information from somewhere.

Also from your acclaimed quote, did Nigeria spend the same amount of money on Defence budget, bearing in mind that what goes on in Nigeria here is different from what goes on in another country. So please stop all these comparison. this is Nigeria, let Nigeria deal with her problem.

Once again campaign is over, PMB has met with GEJ on arm acquisition, those that have been delivered, those waiting delievery. This is what we've been clamouring for, "NOT FOR SHEHU Garba to still be sprewing thrash to us that PMB will probe GEJ arm purchase"

Let the Govt move ahead with what we have, then add more Arsenals to our amroury other hardwares and platforms.

Also i will advise you to do three things.
1. Get Nigeria defence budget and analyse it
2. Get the defence budget of this your other countries and analyze them.
3. Compare the analysis of the two.

Then come back here to discuss, without that, quoting amount for budget without its analyses if of no use at all.

patriot4:
image123, your affiliation to the apc party is not something you hide very well. Quoting wikipedia, is that a new thing ? Since when is the rv6 a weapon ? And all your other links were quite void. Look, I used to be a patriot of Nigeria and at this point I don't have any sympathy for the country anymore. What i said, were coming directly from my own brain and personal research and analysis. If I were to be a writer for sipri, then your likes would be quoting me.

There's no hiding of affiliation, i openly supported President Buhari as against former President Jonathan during the election and i have no regrets. It's not a cult or a vow, it was a simple democratic CHOICE. That's campaign and elections, that's over. That's not what the thread is about. We're not to do everything through the prism of politics, national security shouldn't be politicized.We're discussing about our military artillery/ammunition, whether we have good stock or not. It's either yes or no, with reasons. It's not about APC versus PDP, or Buhari versus Jonathan, or if Buhari seems to be winning, let's add OBJ, IBb and Abacha. That's a loss of focus and a waste of time for me. If that's all you're keen to discuss, have a nice day.
i highlighted RV6 to tell you that Nigeria not only buys weapons from US but has once assembled rv6s for them even. This is contrary to your baseless personal opinion that Nigeria and US don't do such business and can never do.

patriot4:
image123 , there is a reason why I initially intended to post only 5 comments. you see I know nairaland very well, in here people don't submit to logics, they try and trick their way out of everything, and that is exactly what you are doing. Look, I don't see the usefulness of these propaganda pieces you are fabricating. The elections are over, perharps it is time you get off the campaign mood. Don't you think you might have some genuin ideas to contribute ? Why must you lie all the way ? campaign is over !

Usually, i don't reply this kind of posts. This is a forum, we should aim at quality discussion and learning, not just throwing tantrums and making ridiculous accusations.. You can try pointing out the lies told and also convict using the truth.

Image123:
There's no hiding of affiliation, i openly supported President Buhari as against former President Jonathan during the election and i have no regrets. It's not a cult or a vow, it was a simple democratic CHOICE. That's campaign and elections, that's over. That's not what the thread is about. We're not to do everything through the prism of politics, national security shouldn't be politicized.We're discussing about our military artillery/ammunition, whether we have good stock or not. It's either yes or no, with reasons. It's not about APC versus PDP, or Buhari versus Jonathan, or if Buhari seems to be winning, let's add OBJ, IBb and Abacha. That's a loss of focus and a waste of time for me. If that's all you're keen to discuss, have a nice day.
i highlighted RV6 to tell you that Nigeria not only buys weapons from US but has once assembled rv6s for them even. This is contrary to your baseless personal opinion that Nigeria and US don't do such business and can never do.

Look, stop with the lies, Nigeria has never bought weapons from america. america has never agreed to sell weapons to Nigeria. I don't understand the logics of you giving me the example of america selling a civilian object to Nigeria and then concluding that america have sold weapons to Nigeria. Give me a weapon instead. The thing is that instead of using real arguments, you rather produce a cosmetic work and try to convince rather than prove.

Image123:
Usually, i don't reply this kind of posts. This is a forum, we should aim at quality discussion and learning, not just throwing tantrums and making ridiculous accusations.. You can try pointing out the lies told and also convict using the truth.

Well if you would rather focus on producing genuin things then this wouldn't happen. It is a lie to say that america has sold weapons to Nigeria. Your whole write up doesn't atually use the rules of logics.

patriot4:
image123, I would also like to draw your attention to the fact that I get my information from the same place sipri gets its information. You see the budget was made public and it is on that basis that I worked. Still I don't see where you proved me wrong. I don't know why you keep posting the same sipri page which doesn't even mention Nigeria. I don't like this at all. I came here with all the honesty I had, hoping to bring light where there is darkness, and I am met with a fraudster who is trying to push an other lie. Please enough political campaign ! enough is enough ! Even the nazis were not as dishonnest as your likes.

SIPRI is a reputable international organization in Sweden. It was founded in 1966 and is one of the world's most influential think tanks. They don't do silly and baseless data and information. You need to be informed or come up with something more credible than SIPRI, not just hope to bring light, which kain yeye illegal light is that one. Obviously, you have no idea what and who SIPRI is to be saying all this rubbish you have said. But I'm sure you have enough data for 550kb download, that's less than 1mb for crying out loud. Please, the link is there, anyone can visit it and see things for himself. Check the link I gave again, and the download link, it's all free and accessible on SIPRI's website.

Image123:
SIPRI is a reputable international organization in Sweden. It was founded in 1966 and is one of the world's most influential think tanks. They don't do silly and baseless data and information. You need to be informed or come up with something more credible than SIPRI, not just hope to bring light, which kain yeye illegal light is that one. Obviously, you have no idea what and who SIPRI is to be saying all this rubbish you have said. But I'm sure you have enough data for 550kb download, that's less than 1mb for crying out loud. Please, the link is there, anyone can visit it and see things for himself. Check the link I gave again, and the download link, it's all free and accessible on SIPRI's website.

Let me ask you a few questions: can you think ?

patriot4:
Look, stop with the lies, Nigeria has never bought weapons from america. america has never agreed to sell weapons to Nigeria. I don't understand the logics of you giving me the example of america selling a civilian object to Nigeria and then concluding that america have sold weapons to Nigeria. Give me a weapon instead. The thing is that instead of using real arguments, you rather produce a cosmetic work and try to convince rather than prove.

i gave you the link and source, I even attached the 30kb or so file, anyone can confirm from SIPRI. It's easy, try it yourself. Go to www.sipri.org

image123,
Let me go further to ask you how posting irrelevant sipri web pages actually move the discussion any further ?
What I see is a person with little self esteem trying to rub the reputation of sipri on himself.
For your info those who work at sipri are not aliens, they are normal human beings. Who do you expect them to quote ?

image123,
Instead of being a "quoter", why don't you become a producer of original intelectual property ?
That is what I am. And that is what the people working at sipri are.
Besides you are not very good at quoting. Instead you just post irrelevant stuff and expect the interlocutor to do the work for you.

engineerboat:
Man abeg do you comparison very before commenting abeg.

Where you are quoting from, they also get their information from somewhere.

Also from your acclaimed quote, did Nigeria spend the same amount of money on Defence budget, bearing in mind that what goes on in Nigeria here is different from what goes on in another country. So please stop all these comparison. this is Nigeria, let Nigeria deal with her problem.

Once again campaign is over, PMB has met with GEJ on arm acquisition, those that have been delivered, those waiting delievery. This is what we've been clamouring for, "NOT FOR SHEHU Garba to still be sprewing thrash to us that PMB will probe GEJ arm purchase"

Let the Govt move ahead with what we have, then add more Arsenals to our amroury other hardwares and platforms.

Also i will advise you to do three things.
1. Get Nigeria defence budget and analyse it
2. Get the defence budget of this your other countries and analyze them.
3. Compare the analysis of the two.

Then come back here to discuss, without that, quoting amount for budget without its analyses if of no use at all.

i guess you are getting your own information directly from heaven or what? If SIPRI is not credible enough, give reason and tell us who is more credible, you?
The comparisons has been done already. I went a step further from budget to expenditure. Please, educate yourself on the difference engineering. All my quotes were from actual EXPENDitures. The money we have SPENT/expended are not commensurate with results or equipment on ground. Those that compare themselves with themselves are not wise, I've compared us to other countries, bigger and smaller, African and non African. I've provided the links so you ysee any country and employ any criteria. We've not done well, and we need to start.

patriot4:
image123,
Let me go further to ask you how posting irrelevant sipri web pages actually move the discussion any further ?
What I see is a person with little self esteem trying to rub the reputation of sipri on himself.
For your info those who work at sipri are not aliens, they are normal human beings. Who do you expect them to quote ?

Don't even know where to start with you, it's like teaching physics and someone comes to class who don't know the alphabet. Do i rather ignore you?
Okay, let's talk, what is SIPRI?

Some will always be students and never be teachers. Though I don't know the age of this guy (image123), but I hope for his sake that in less than 5 years he will actually produce intelectual property which would then be quoted by people in his current intelectual situation who know how to quote. No offense intended. When one's argument is "SIPRI" and no reasoning whatsoever, you can only imagine that the person had a failed education or is still a kid. It is hard to imagine that same person being a candidate to work at sipri, since the person has placed himself as inferior to everybody who works there and who will ever work there. Where he gets it wrong however is that he places everybody talking to him in that same scope. It might get interesting when he actually speaks with someone from sipri who doesn't tell him that he works at sipri (not me, i don't work at sipri).

Image123:
Don't even know where to start with you, it's like teaching physics and someone comes to class who don't know the alphabet. Do i rather ignore you?
Okay, let's talk, what is SIPRI?

That is funny given my current job.

patriot4:
That is funny given my current job.

What is SIPRI?

Image123:
What is SIPRI?

Come on man, let us make it harder than that.
Build an interpretation of category which makes the opposit category of a given category A to have the same objects and the same arrows as A.
This is something you wouldn't get in the internet. Ofcourse write your result in a pdf file and post it here.

Ok, image123, let me give you something simpler:
build a first order language L and build an L-theory T such that L and T expand the languages and theories of vector spaces and fields and in each model of T one can devide by 0 and also multiply two vectors.

An other thing which is even simpler: prove the theorem of euclidean division in the case of ordinal numbers.

Image123:
Don't even know where to start with you, it's like teaching physics and someone comes to class who don't know the alphabet. Do i rather ignore you?
Okay, let's talk, what is SIPRI?

Are you doing any reasearch and SIPRI is your resource materials, i will advise to you to go further for other resources location. Is that taken. from your quoted Sipri, get the data for Nigeria, SOuth Africa, Algeria and Egypt and tell this house the number and analysis of weapon bought by each country and from where,
You will even realize that your aclaimed SIPRI did not even capture 1/4 of Hardwares and NAF platforms purchased by Nigeria. Do your analysis and come back again, is that taken.

Image123:
What is SIPRI?

Is that What you've been programmed for this time around,

Go back to your SIPRI,

Carryout the analysis of each weapon bought by Nigeria, tell us which Hardwares, & platforms bought by Nigeria from USA and His allies. also weapons bought from other rcountry, then come back here to discuss

Image123:
i guess you are getting your own information directly from heaven or what? If SIPRI is not credible enough, give reason and tell us who is more credible, you?
The comparisons has been done already. I went a step further from budget to expenditure. Please, educate yourself on the difference engineering. All my quotes were from actual EXPENDitures. The money we have SPENT/expended are not commensurate with results or equipment on ground. Those that compare themselves with themselves are not wise, I've compared us to other countries, bigger and smaller, African and non African. I've provided the links so you ysee any country and employ any criteria. We've not done well, and we need to start.

Where did SIPRI get there info from,

How will you feel if someone describe your house items for you.

patriot4:
Ok, image123, let me give you something simpler:
build a language and theory which expand that of vector spaces and allow one to devide by 0. and to multiply two vectors.

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, you are making it too simpler for him now

engineerboat:
Are you doing any reasearch and SIPRI is your resource materials, i will advise to you to go further for other resources location. Is that taken. from your quoted Sipri, get the data for Nigeria, SOuth Africa, Algeria and Egypt and tell this house the number and analysis of weapon bought by each country and from where,
You will even realize that your aclaimed SIPRI did not even capture 1/4 of Hardwares and NAF platforms purchased by Nigeria. Do your analysis and come back again, is that taken.

I see that you didn't bother to check or download the links i gave you. You would have seen the answers to your questions there. To encourage your learning, i helped you with links, attached a file, and even led you to documents and information easy on your data. I could more equally give you videos in huge megabytes and gigabytes, but I'm a nice fellow. Anyone can get credible information for any country from SIPRI's website with a computer and less than 1mb. You cannot fault it, please be reasonable.

image123, I think your greatest problem here is that you are not at the same level as the people you are arguing with. While one can imagine the guys you are arguing with as candidates for a work at your much gloryfied sipri, one can not see you in that same position. You speak at a position of "fan", while you are speaking with "stars". You don't have the abilities to do any research but you want to argue with those who actually do research. And you think that carrying the poster of sipri would be enough for you to pretend that you are of the level of those you are confronting. I would rather have a converstaion with the person from sipri whom you are trying (not very well though) to quote.

engineerboat:
You are no more a corper Doctor now a Doctor Spectator. While busy taking care of your acclaimed un-eqiped injured soldier you still have the time to go outside the barrack to watch film show of the only two APC from you barrack that is been driven out. Find another story abeg

Oga I'm in the North-east with an artillery division ( I don't live on nairaland). U don't have to be patronizing, you know, I have read your other posts... I believe you are pro-GEJ and it's blinding
you to reason. If our army is well equipped as u want to believe, then nobody has to fuss about arms acquisition as we currently are. I don't have to convince u I live in an army barracks- that's your wahala.

HBB1:
Oga I'm in the North-east with an artillery division ( I don't live on nairaland). U don't have to be patronizing, you know, I have read your other posts... I believe you are pro-GEJ and it's blinding
you to reason. If our army is well equipped as u want to believe, then nobody has to fuss about arms acquisition as we currently are. I don't have to convince u I live in an army barracks- that's your wahala.

There you go again, so for giving out information now makes me Pro-Gej. Doctor Corper go through the comments made on this thread you will discover that your comment above is baseless and not in-line with what has been going on thru the thread. That is our problem in this country, quick to bring politic into everything and that is what this thread is trying to correct. Our army must not be politicized.
It is a known fact that Military hardwares and platforms where brought in by the past Administration at the time left for them after all the hullabaloo of AI report on Nigeria military resulting to being blacklisted by USA and its Allies. Also is during warfare is APC and other platforms meant to be packed and cover at the barrack according to you.

HBB1:
Oga I'm in the North-east with an artillery division ( I don't live on nairaland). U don't have to be patronizing, you know, I have read your other posts... I believe you are pro-GEJ and it's blinding
you to reason. If our army is well equipped as u want to believe, then nobody has to fuss about arms acquisition as we currently are. I don't have to convince u I live in an army barracks- that's your wahala.

Nobody lived on Nairaland. Unless you know anyone

engineerboat:
Nobody lived on Nairaland. Unless you know anyone

Cheers bro!

engineerboat:
Is that all you can say

did that dude just say we hired mercenaries.cant u guys understand the difference between a mercenary and a PMC

Cannonleo:
did that dude just say we hired mercenaries.cant u guys understand the difference between a mercenary and a PMC

when they will not take time to read.
They only shout what have been programme into their mouth

Cannonleo:
did that dude just say we hired mercenaries.cant u guys understand the difference between a mercenary and a PMC

i wonder how they reason. New hardware and platorms are brought into warfront and all they want is that the Nigeria army is magician. And this are people that will want to attend different coaching centres before passing exams

dammytosh:
Lol @ quoted.

What kind of report are u expecting him to give ?

Maybe u live in d village

Should I reside in Jupiter to know the truth?...Why not bring on counter verifiable claim...