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Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by idieagle: 11:45am On Sep 03, 2015
@seun there's no need trying to let this guy see reasons this statement by him has expose him he is a wailer and Jonathan's apologist he is happy living in poverty while few people still our collective wealth. Please do not engage him he won't understand.
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by Zikkyy(m): 12:08pm On Sep 03, 2015
TheFreeOne:

Having strong men or men of muscle is of no use in the long run without strong institutions.

Because you see the word 'strong', you probably assumed strong institutions are made of cement. That's so wrong. Institutions are managed by people and if it is effective it means you either have the right leadership or there is an effective external check or both.
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by troy20(m): 12:12pm On Sep 03, 2015
shaqhead:

Nope..i beg to disagree with you..actually strong institutions are a product of strong leadership then over TIME such institutions take on a life of their own. Have we had such strong leadership?

We dont have strong institutions because we most times have had square pegs in round holes, weak leaders who fan to death positions they are saddles with. An example wl suffice; When I say NAFDAC, one name pops to ur head-late DORA AKUNYILI. Why? She was a strong leader who did a good job when she headed that body and she brought to our collective consciousness the work that that body does or rather shd b doin. Her stellar performance has now become a template benchmark for her successors which we now and will always refer to. Imagine a "Dora" in 50% of governmental positions and u wl appreciate d place of strong leadership which unwittingly birthes strong institutions ! Why was a Fowler brought to head an FIRS?

What if the EFCC under Ribadu hadnt bn derailed by executive puppet strings? I guess we would have had a better foothold in the fight against corruption. PMB wl have to do somtn about that Lamorde!

The US president or leaders of other advanced democracies can conveniently talk about strong institutions, foundations for such institutions which u and I kno they ddnt build. Their strong institutions were a product of d sweat and blood of their foundin fathers wc has bn consolidated upon over time by succesive leadership.

For u to jst assume that strong institutions are self creationist jst becos there are policies in place doesnt add up!
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by TheFreeOne: 12:40pm On Sep 03, 2015
Zikkyy:


Because you see the word 'strong', you probably assumed strong institutions are made of cement. That's so wrong. Institutions are managed by people and if it is effective it means you either have the right leadership or there is an effective external check or both.

Is your cement analogy all you can deduce from my post or you are trying to be funny?

So its not necessary encouraging strong institutions cos there's an assumed strong leader with strong body language
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Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by Jesusloveyou: 12:58pm On Sep 03, 2015
seunmsg:



In the case of Nigeria, it will take a strong willed president to build that strong institutions Obama talked about. We have too many fault lines as a country so any president that make attempt to do things right will easily get drowned by those who benefit from the current system by quickly activating the fault lines.

That's why it is pertinent for most patriotic Nigerians to support the PMB's administration. He has shown so far that he has the strong will to fight corruption and take on those bigots who are benefiting from the current system. With the presidents strong will and support of Nigerians, we can start building the strong institutions that are necessary to make our country work.
d saTANist wailers wil rather work against Nigeria,

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Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by omolami: 1:04pm On Sep 03, 2015
GEJ fought corruption in a CIVILISED manner. What is on going now is pure vendetta and kangaroo like fight on pages of newspapers
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by M16: 1:08pm On Sep 03, 2015
TheFreeOne:


Fighting corruption requires strong institutions not strong leadership. Buhari hasn't done anything than taking glory for Gej works except you considers "BODY LANGUAGE" an achievement.

Its ironic for Buhari to expect nigerians support in rejecting ethnic/religious bias when he's a master of the game.

Will you sharrap. who played the etnic/religious card during elections and wanted to divide Nigeria
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by tucky200(m): 1:12pm On Sep 03, 2015
Feel free to mention others but don't include el rufai
IbokUtoroh:

the more u defend fashola, tinubu, buhari, oshiomole, el rufai, kwankwaso, amaechi, rochas, aregberascal etc, we go also de defend our own period.

Amaechi na saint, akpabio na pope.
If u dont like it, commit suicide.
We r wailing for a just course, for a better nigeria.
Una dey masturbate n lie for una stomach.
When will buhari declare his assets?
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by Zikkyy(m): 1:14pm On Sep 03, 2015
TheFreeOne:


Is your cement analogy all you can deduce from my post or you are trying to be funny?

So its not necessary encouraging strong institutions cos there's an assumed strong leader with strong body language

Take an institution like efcc. Why would anybody consider it to be strong? Is it because the commission is effective in handling economic crimes? If the efcc is seen to be effective, the question is how was it achieved? Is it because we have angels working in efcc or is it because to do otherwise will result in sanctions? So who or what system ensures personnel continues to do the right thing by adhering to policies/processes? Leadership? Other External checks? Institutions are effective because people running them want to succeed or some external forces/regulators want them to succeed.

So back to your question, to encourage strong institution means ensuring these institutions functions as intended and it's not just by empowerment. Effectiveness is most times a reflection of that institutions perception of the altitude of the ultimate oga at the top. So body language matters (for now).
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by TheFreeOne: 1:17pm On Sep 03, 2015
M16:


Will you sharrap. who played the etnic/religious card during elections and wanted to divide Nigeria

Appealing to religious/ethnic sentiments is common during electioneering campaigns. But after elections a reasonable leader should be father to all.

Try to learn and understand politics and zip up if its too much for you.

Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by amusadele: 1:32pm On Sep 03, 2015
modath:

Corruption fights back is a crazy imagination of black people, corruption fights back cos the system is weak and can be manipulated!

Diezani popularized that crazy statement!!!!

Corruption should try to fight back in china.. undecided
If you are placed side by side with Buhari in terms of senselessness, both of you are equal. You, Buhari, apc and her friends have not seen anything yet. Who do you thing is as foolish as you people are that will allow Buhari to probe? Your apc government, including Oshiomhole returned with Buhari from the US and told lies that an American from the government told him that GEJ has a bank account which figures are damn too big such that the amount has crippled the Nigerian economy. Within a short time, the US government refuted it. The Oshiomhole told us again that the cost of Onitsha Bridges is rocking the highest heaven, whereas the actual amount Oshiomhole claim is even very far from less than what Oshiomhole claimed yet your dunce Buhari is not burdered to call his party members to order. In such a case, who with the normal brains will allow apc to carry out any probe?
If Buhari with his half inch neck can comfortably appoint his Fulani members and abandoned people from other regions, why do you thing his probe will bring any fair results? I beg and tufiakwa to both of you.

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Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by billyG(m): 1:52pm On Sep 03, 2015
Flets:
Enough of this noise around fight against corruption. Without an iota of doubt, the current govt has already failed in the issue of corruption fight.

The first failure was Buhari's refusal to declare his assets as promised. Reneging on one's promise is corruption

Denying one's campaign promises is the height of corruption.

Besides, any efforts to fight corruption without strong systems have failed before it started.

With biometric registeration, GEJ eliminated 65,000 ghost workers from the Fed Civil Service. If this was Buhari, he would attempt to arrest and probe 65,000 people without success

Until we focus on systems and institutions, we've not started.
Look boy u dnt stop Goat frm eating d yam by shiftng d yam a little bit yu tetter d goat or worst Roast d Goat.
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by shaqhead: 1:53pm On Sep 03, 2015
TheFreeOne:


Having strong men or men of muscle is of no use in the long run without strong institutions.
>>Of course we wouldnt need strong men to run such strong institutions because such institutions would have developed to implement policies that were all the while dormant<<

Strong men/politicians haven't brought any positive change to Nigeria and if American founding fathers built strong institutions what stops buhari doing same instead of assuming Hercules.

>>>Why contradict urself? After agreing to my position that INITIALLY strong men (not Hercules) of character are needed to courageously implement policies which are meant to better our lives, u still say that they havent brought or cant bring change? Then what did the example I gave (Dora) do in her own position while she held sway?
Just like it wl b foolhardy to tink one wl become a John Cena wt a few hrs a yr at d gym, it also is out of place to assume that institutions of govt become strong after a couple of tenures when even our tiers of govt are still struggling to get it right. I need not remind u of petty rancour we witness in our National Houses of Assembly among other executive and judicial excesses. This where u have to appreciate the painstakin time PMB is usin to find competent men of integrity to man positions becos he is not Hercules and cant do it alone<<<


Our laws and punishment meted out on crimes should be critically looked-into hence my unflinching support for restructuring of this country as proposed in the NATIONAL CONFERENCE RECOMMENDATIONS for a total positive change.

>>>Yes, our Legislature and Judicial system needs to key into this govt anti corruption agenda and not b an agent that endager this fight. This where The issue of restructuring has been discussed in different fora evn b4 havin ds National conference but on that I think every idea has its time eventhough I believe on its implementation<<<
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by billyG(m): 1:54pm On Sep 03, 2015
amusadele:
If you are placed side by side with Buhari in terms of senselessness, both of you are equal. You, Buhari, apc and her friends have not seen anything yet. Who do you thing is as foolish as you people are that will allow Buhari to probe? Your apc government, including Oshiomhole returned with Buhari from the US and told lies that an American from the government told him that GEJ has a bank account which figures are damn too big such that the amount has crippled the Nigerian economy. Within a short time, the US government refuted it. The Oshiomhole told us again that the cost of Onitsha Bridges is rocking the highest heaven, whereas the actual amount Oshiomhole claim is even very far from less than what Oshiomhole claimed yet your dunce Buhari is not burdered to call his party members to order. In such a case, who with the normal brains will allow apc to carry out any probe?
If Buhari with his half inch neck can comfortably appoint his Fulani members and abandoned people from other regions, why do you thing his probe will bring any fair results? I beg and tufiakwa to both of you.
Cnt u make yur point without insulting yur father.
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by amusadele: 2:02pm On Sep 03, 2015
billyG:

Cnt u make yur point without insulting yur father.
Am very sorry that I have continued to insult Buhari who is a little senior to me. But apc has set the pace for others to follow. It is not actually our tradition and custome to abuse abi insult our seniors. Come to think of it if you can recollect how apc rubbed GEJ into the muds. Nothing will ever change this insultive attitude of mine over Buhari and apc. I swear I will on daily bases finish up Buhari and his apc members even in his presence, the SS,, police etc. I swear, it has come to stay. I advise, let us learn to stay with it. Thanks
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by Nobody: 2:29pm On Sep 03, 2015
The change will can see.
Buhari is a terrorist.
Lamardo is a thief.
Tinubu,fashola are they corruption adopters.

Abeg make una no the confuse me make I mind my garri with my dangote fake sugar.
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by 4C2215131: 2:49pm On Sep 03, 2015
modath:

Corruption fights back is a crazy imagination of black people, corruption fights back cos the system is weak and can be manipulated!

Diezani popularized that crazy statement!!!!

Corruption should try to fight back in china.. undecided

In the voice of Kali Ranks "Kill Them All".
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by TheFreeOne: 3:08pm On Sep 03, 2015
[quote author=shaqhead post=37631315][/quote]

Contradict myself? May be you misunderstood cos didn't subscribed to your strongman ideology.

I am not a fan of Buhari but I hope he genuinely encourages strengthening of strong institutions in the fight against corruption/societal ills and eschew playing to the gallery, ethnic bias and nepotism.
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by shaqhead: 3:33pm On Sep 03, 2015
TheFreeOne:


Contradict myself? May be you misunderstood cos didn't subscribed to your strongman ideology.

I am not a fan of Buhari but I hope he genuinely encourages strengthening of strong institutions in the fight against corruption/societal ills and eschew playing to the gallery, ethnic bias and nepotism.
U dnt hv to be a fan of PMB u kno...and I guess u are d one who has misconstrued who strongmen/women are as it relates to govt institutions.

Sir "strongmen/women" doesnt jst refer to a principled, hard talkin fellow in d mould of a PMB but one who goes ahead to take hard decisions. Yes, hard decisions which might not b popular but ultimately it is to serve d greater good. For example, bringing an outsider into d Customs to clean dt place up.

So how do u suggest he strenghtens those institutions?
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by TheFreeOne: 4:41pm On Sep 03, 2015
shaqhead:

U dnt hv to be a fan of PMB u kno...and I guess u are d one who has misconstrued who strongmen/women are as it relates to govt institutions.

Sir "strongmen/women" doesnt jst refer to a principled, hard talkin fellow in d mould of a PMB but one who goes ahead to take hard decisions. Yes, hard decisions which might not b popular but ultimately it is to serve d greater good. For example, bringing an outsider into d Customs to clean dt place up.

So how do u suggest he strenghtens those institutions?

He should encourage/support making policies that'll curb corruption like Gej did with TSA & IPPIS.
The constitution protects the rich/powerful hence our present laws and the judiciary are not helping matters.

I still maintain that our best shot at a better Nigeria lies in the NATIONAL CONFERENCE RECOMMENDATIONS but unfortunately our leaders are fond of throwing the baby away with the bathwater when it doesn't suit their selfish interests.
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by patrick89(m): 4:49pm On Sep 03, 2015
frodobee:
Corruption in governance are not fought with hands as in the case of superman/men, it is fought by building strong institutions.- Barack Obama.
The era of strong men in Africa is over.- NOI.
This one man mythical superman corruption fighter is taking Nigeria and this continent 10yrs.

Don't qoute me, I don't suffer replies to quote.
this is because most of the government officials are corrupt!! check! Ambode was selected by tinubu because he knew he has a dark spot, should he tries any rubbish against tinubu! They always nominate a dirty person, to vie for a political position. now how can Ambode prosecute tinubu? Wike is prosecuting Amechi now because, Dakuku didn't win!
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by VickyRotex(f): 7:41pm On Sep 03, 2015
IYANGBALI:
for china?you wann make dem hang corruption ni?corruption fear china pass death o,na only in Nigeria corruption dey do yanga and dey born shedrens like vick.yrotex,el.eko1,rok.iatu,bukola saraki,akpabio and co

Lmaooo!!!! cheesy

Your case dey yabaleft o cheesy
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by AdeniyiA(m): 9:22pm On Sep 03, 2015
modath:

Corruption fights back is a crazy imagination of black people, corruption fights back cos the system is weak and can be manipulated!

Diezani popularized that crazy statement!!!!

Corruption should try to fight back in china.. undecided

...or in SINGAPORE where they'd be shot dead!
Nonsense! undecided

When you hit corruption with kid gloves it fights back, but if you do it with iron punch, it goes on sprawling and writhing in pains on the floor, nd finally decapitated angry

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Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by Nobody: 11:46pm On Sep 04, 2015
modath:

We know your type: Everything Na business.. angry
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Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by Nobody: 12:17am On Sep 05, 2015
shaqhead:

Really? How could u possibly make such bold comparative analytic assertion without empirical facts?

Anywy lets say I agree even witout facts, u will agree dt they are doin 10 times more in the fight against corruption.


U only get axed in China for corruption if you fall out with the ruling party.

U keep saying all these because u don't know how corrupt they are.
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by MARGIELA(m): 6:13pm On Sep 06, 2015
Great West African Corruptionists

Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by saliukadri: 1:32pm On Sep 09, 2015
Abeg Abeg....
Make this Lamorde guy just shut up and go wash himself clean.
He should stop hiding behind a finger and go and account for his deeds.
If he isn't shaddy why should he be afraid and start giving excuses?
If found guilty, pls no mercy for someone like him.
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by billyG(m): 11:13am On Sep 25, 2015
amusadele:
Am very sorry that I have continued to insult Buhari who is a little senior to me. But apc has set the pace for others to follow. It is not actually our tradition and custome to abuse abi insult our seniors. Come to think of it if you can recollect how apc rubbed GEJ into the muds. Nothing will ever change this insultive attitude of mine over Buhari and apc. I swear I will on daily bases finish up Buhari and his apc members even in his presence, the SS,, police etc. I swear, it has come to stay. I advise, let us learn to stay with it. Thanks
Diid Buhari insult Jonathan??Why shld fly like u take panadol extra 4 GEJ headachei wish Gej can recognise u & squeeze #5000 into yur waiting hand,u don wail 4 him tire.
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by amusadele: 1:05pm On Sep 25, 2015
billyG:

Diid Buhari insult Jonathan??Why shld fly like u take panadol extra 4 GEJ headachei wish Gej can recognise u & squeeze #5000 into yur waiting hand,u don wail 4 him tire.
You are even sounding very elementary to attract my further posts
Re: Rumble In The Jungle As Corruption Fights Back- The Vanguard by billyG(m): 10:34pm On Sep 27, 2015
amusadele:
You are even sounding very elementary to attract my further posts
Wetin u won post again when i don finish u off.

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