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Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by Nobody: 10:21pm On Sep 08, 2015

I am an agnostic atheist,. But this night, my parents told me something that am afraid even till now..

My parents re xtians but due to some thing or the other, i doubt their believe..
Now this night, my dad called me and sat us in the parlour, he asked me whether i believe in spirits. I said no cause of lack of evidence... He boldly asked me whether i will have the guts that he is going to call a person who will ressurect my grand dad, or my uncle. That i will talk to them face to face... Immediately i shivered and fear came inside me...

Knowing my dad is never a joker, so he is damn serious of each of his words... So after explaining to me that their re good and bad forces on earth, he even gave me instances that one man i knew fully well that died, was taking to the mortuary, at midnight, he sat on his bed and never led down untill his family members were called and they settled some debts with him..

Infat he told me more fearsome stories of metaphysical forces that their is a cause for us been here and there is forces controling the earth..

Lastly he told me that i have seen little or nothing in life and asked me that even thor i dont belive in xtian deity, i should pray to whoever brought me to this earth to protect me..

Infact let me stop here,,, so nairalanders help me and discuss

johnnydon22, theatheist,marvisguy,seun,lalasticlala,

and all.

Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by Nobody: 10:23pm On Sep 08, 2015

He even said i might run mad if i dont stop been inquisitive and gave me instances of my wannabees who ran psychic

Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by ladyF(f): 10:24pm On Sep 08, 2015

Yesso They are also referred to as winchy winchy grin

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Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by Goovo(m): 10:24pm On Sep 08, 2015

Yes they exist, as a result of fallen angels from heaven at the begining

Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by johnydon22(m): 10:30pm On Sep 08, 2015

That's a funny one krattoss.

So is your dad going to call the man that will resurrect your dead grandparents because as of now it is still a claim until proven otherwise.

So i will be waiting for the details of the encounter with your grandparents, you may even take some snap shots of them you know for scientific purpose, maybe you might be the first to prove the existence of spirity stuff manifesting in a material dimension

Hahahahaha but you sound really scared tho, couldn't help but laugh....

As of now i know of many scientifically proven forces on earth, Gravity, electricity etc

In terms of metaphysical claims these are merely misconceived phenomenons or explanations based on lack of knowledge of the phenomenon, banking on the ignorance of the observer...

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Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by Nobody: 10:37pm On Sep 08, 2015

johnydon22:
That's a funny one krattoss.

So is your dad going to call the man that will resurrect your dead grandparents because as of now it is still a claim until proven otherwise.

So i will be waiting for the details of the encounter with your grandparents, you may even take some snap shots of them you know for scientific purpose, maybe you might be the first to prove the existence of spirity stuff manifesting in a material dimension

Hahahahaha but you sound really scared tho, couldn't help but laugh....

As of now i know of many scientifically proven forces on earth, Gravity, speed, electricity etc

In terms of metaphysical claims these are merely misconceived phenomenons or explanations based on lack of explanation banking on the ignorance of the observer...

guy i read each and every of ur post on this forum and agree mostly on ur side... But my dad is never a joker. I never joke with his words cos all of them re mostly true to the best of my knowledge. If it can be possible, why dont u come down and see the ghost by urself.....

Infact guy, we have seen little or nothing on this life

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Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by johnydon22(m): 10:44pm On Sep 08, 2015*

krattoss:
guy i read each and every of ur post on this forum and agree mostly on ur side... But my dad is never a joker. I never joke with his words cos all of them re mostly true to the best of my knowledge. If it can be possible, why dont u come down and see the ghost by urself.....

Infact guy, we have seen little or nothing on this life

Of course we have not seen anything many things yet and that is still the reason why we keep learning, everything is for the purpose of learning. . . That's one thing with learning, you strive to know.

So this is not about what your dad says for all i know even my dad still is that superstitious.

My issue here is for you to actually see the ghosts themselves, if i was in your state i would be the very first to be there to see things for myself, it's all part of learning, or are you scared bro?

So as it stands now all we have is the words of your dad who said that there is a man who can resurrect your grand parents, such claims demands equal proof.

So let us wait till the man resurrects your grandparents.... We learn new things everyday!!!

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Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by Nobody: 10:46pm On Sep 08, 2015

johnydon22:
Of course we have not seen anything many things yet and that is still the reason why we keep learning, everything is for the purpose of learning.

So this is not about what your dad says for all i know even my dad still is that superstitious.

My issue here for you to actually see the ghosts themselves, if i was in your state i would be the very first to be there to see things for myself, it's all part of learning.

So as it stands now all we have is the words of your dad who said that there is a man who can resurrect your grand parents, such claims demands equal proof.

So let us wait till the man resurrects your grandparents.... We learn new things everyday!!!

must we see before we believe?

I dont believe in ghosts but i cant stand seeing one.

Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by johnydon22(m): 10:51pm On Sep 08, 2015

krattoss:
must we see before we believe?

In this case "YES" because if you don't perceive, how then can you determine if the claim is really true or not.
Or do you just believe it whether it is true or not?

the claim is that "the man can show you your grandparents" so what then stops you from letting him show you before you can conclude his claim is true

I dont believe in ghosts but i cant stand seeing one.

Hahahahahaha sounds you are afraid of them, how can you fear what you don't think exist? . . This shows such fears or mindset is a psychological tilt.

Nothing in life is to be feared only understood, this is the time for you to understand more so you can fear less.

Have checked on as many of such claims here as i have seen people claim but all seem to be far fetched, there are many atheists who believe such things tho.

So bro forget your fears, there is nothing to fear. Tell your p-man you will like to see the ghosts, i know i will love to

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Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by Nobody: 11:09pm On Sep 08, 2015

I think we're essentially a product of our experiences. You're who you are cos of the things you have seen, and more importantly, the things you haven't seen.

If your curiosity is brave, you should just take the bold step and find out more things about the easier religions.

There are churches where miracles can happen like sharp sharp. You'll hear and experience things better

Go all the way man. Speak to your grandparents

Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by johnydon22(m): 11:15pm On Sep 08, 2015

twoondei:
I think we're essentially a product of our experiences. You're who you are cos of the things you have seen, and more importantly, the things you haven't seen.

If your curiosity is brave, you should just take the bold step and find out more things about the easier religions.

There are churches where miracles can happen like sharp sharp. You'll hear and experience things better

Go all the way man. Speak to your grandparents

Correct!!! Krattoss this guy just got my point exactly

Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by Nobody: 4:33am On Sep 09, 2015

krattoss:
I am an agnostic atheist,. But this night, my parents told me something that am afraid even till now..

My parents re xtians but due to some thing or the other, i doubt their believe..
Now this night, my dad called me and sat us in the parlour, he asked me whether i believe in spirits. I said no cause of lack of evidence... He boldly asked me whether i will have the guts that he is going to call a person who will ressurect my grand dad, or my uncle. That i will talk to them face to face... Immediately i shivered and fear came inside me...

Knowing my dad is never a joker, so he is damn serious of each of his words... So after explaining to me that their re good and bad forces on earth, he even gave me instances that one man i knew fully well that died, was taking to the mortuary, at midnight, he sat on his bed and never led down untill his family members were called and they settled some debts with him..

Infat he told me more fearsome stories of metaphysical forces that their is a cause for us been here and there is forces controling the earth..

Lastly he told me that i have seen little or nothing in life and asked me that even thor i dont belive in xtian deity, i should pray to whoever brought me to this earth to protect me..

Infact let me stop here,,, so nairalanders help me and discuss

johnnydon22, theatheist,marvisguy,seun,lalasticlala,

and all.

In other words, with what I have read so far, your dad re-engineered your thoughts with fear! You should have countered your dad by telling him Taiye Solarin didn't run mad, because of his inquisition, nor did other prominent athetists, you know. And remind him of other non-inquisitive people, you know, who ran mad.

krattoss:
guy i read each and every of ur post on this forum and agree mostly on ur side... But my dad is never a joker. I never joke with his words cos all of them re mostly true to the best of my knowledge. If it can be possible, why dont u come down and see the ghost by urself.....
Infact guy, we have seen little or nothing on this life

But how accurate are his words! You never jam "baba mi", the man go dey lie with all seriousness and conviction grin

. It was until when I grew up that I started seeing through some of his lies, though he meant no harm. Your dad might just be lying to you, to protect you from his own Fears (he is human, you know.) Everyone does it for their loved ones.

I remembered back then when my uncle died and some of the "powerful" people in my family were suspecting his wife, because she dumped him to marry another husband after 4 children (some Yoruba women can be very crazy). No autopsy was done o! Just nonsense claims, and a rumour started flying around that that they removed some spiritual bullets that was fired by his wife were recovered from his dead body. So, I later heard (another rumour o!) that they would fire back the bullets to the wife (spiritually of course!). And like one year after, I saw my Uncle's ex-wife living life to the fullest (she is a Muslim, before some jesus-freaks start crying). This is what I think now of the whole scenario: my uncle died, because he was too weak to manage an heartbreak -- he probably killed himself with hypertension -- and the rumoured babalawo was playing into my people's anger!

My conclusion, challenge your dad's claims. As twoondei said, go all the way to speak to your grandparents. You just might be on your way to discovering the impossible embarassed

! But as far I am concerned, your grand-parents are very much dead (as in dead, dead) and they have contributed in the nitrification of the soil they where buried in -- those nonsense micro-organisms have distributed their flesh and what is left of them is their bones.

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Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by nnagozie(m): 8:35am On Sep 09, 2015

@OP ask your Father for the guys contact, I will like to speak to my late dad

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Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by Nobody: 8:36am On Sep 09, 2015

Well, a few events that occurred overnight and I thought of you again plus the need to share.

@op, I don't know what stage of your life you are at the moment but certain events will necessitate and compel you to call on someone or something greater than you.

Note I didn't say someone you believe in..

The walls of hospitals and prisons hear more fervent and heartfelt prayers that any church you can imagine.

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Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by Nobody: 9:13am On Sep 09, 2015

johnydon22:
That's a funny one krattoss.

So is your dad going to call the man that will resurrect your dead grandparents because as of now it is still a claim until proven otherwise.

So i will be waiting for the details of the encounter with your grandparents, you may even take some snap shots of them you know for scientific purpose, maybe you might be the first to prove the existence of spirity stuff manifesting in a material dimension

Hahahahaha but you sound really scared tho, couldn't help but laugh....

As of now i know of many scientifically proven forces on earth, Gravity, electricity etc

In terms of metaphysical claims these are merely misconceived phenomenons or explanations based on lack of knowledge of the phenomenon, banking on the ignorance of the observer...

Necromancers are able to summon d dead, its very real.

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Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by johnydon22(m): 10:03am On Sep 09, 2015

chuna1985:
Necromancers are able to summon d dead, its very real.

Lmao that's cute..But i dont believe they can, I Lack what it takes to exhibit such idiotic gullibility.

So now tell me; Have you seen one do it before ?

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Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by Nobody: 10:08am On Sep 09, 2015

johnydon22:
Lmao that's cute..But i dont believe they can, I Lack what it takes to exhibit such idiotic gullibility.

So now tell me; Have you seen one do it before ?

Since it's idiotic gullibility, why do u want to know more about it huh

It's useless to argue things u don't know, Even in d bible, there where necronancers.

Finally, if I want to find out about dem, its up to u.

Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by johnydon22(m): 10:26am On Sep 09, 2015

chuna1985:
Since it's idiotic gullibility, why do u want to know more about it

It's useless to argue things u don't know, Even in d bible, there where necronancers.

Finally, if I want to find out about dem, its up to u.

Am really not in the mood for this. . so if someone asked you how you got to know necromancy was real you would say the bible said it was? For goodness sake even Lord of rings there where necromancers, the film mummy return was also about necromancy and harry potter too.

My question was "Have you seen someone do it before? "habaaa

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Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by hahn(m): 12:43pm On Sep 09, 2015

krattoss:
He even said i might run mad if i dont stop been inquisitive and gave me instances of my wannabees who ran psychic

Your father is lying and using threats to keep you in check because he probably doesn't understand your agnostic stance. I'd advice you challenge him to meet with the person ASAP. If he doesn't go through with his threat, it will be a good opportunity for you to prove to him that his beliefs are unfounded.

I'm sure that your father is some sort of hero to you and you believe he can't lie but i can guarantee that he is only manipulating you and using fear to get you to start taking god and other fairy-tales seriously. Don't worry, he is only doing it because he loves you and doesn't know any better.

Tell your dad that without proof he should keep his threats to himself.

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Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by hahn(m): 1:05pm On Sep 09, 2015

krattoss:
must we see before we believe?

I dont believe in ghosts but i cant stand seeing one.

@bolded, that's exactly agnosticism and atheism promote. Show me and then i'll believe you. Very simple. That's probably the foundation of such beliefs. Theists believe they don't need physical proof, threats and ancient stories are enough, while atheists want to see first before they can believe and this is exactly why when you become atheist it's hard to go back because they is NEVER any proof of spiritual mumbo jumbo.

I have a neighbor who tried that bs with me. He told me he can make fire come out of his hands because say "e dey there". He said before he shows me, I have to promise I won't be scared. I was like, fvkc it and just show me, i'm curious. He went into his house, acted like something was in his hand and after 30mins, he then said, "the spirit told him not to do it". Oh, please! He is very lucky he is the one that bought the alomo we were drinking that night sha, I wouldn't have been happy at all.

Religious/spiritual mumbo jumbo only thrive on the fear of the unknown. Nothing more

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Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by Nobody: 1:09pm On Sep 09, 2015

krattoss:
must we see before we believe?

I dont believe in ghosts but i cant stand seeing one.

Why do u fear them? If u think nothing supernatural exist, u should go and confirm. This disbelief in the supernatural are always the rattle of young guys who didnt grow up in the juju filled villages where if u even talk rubbish u see things happening.

In short i dnt know the reason for this nonsense and stupidity called atheism. Rubbish!!!

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Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by johnydon22(m): 1:24pm On Sep 09, 2015

[b]Lmao.. Juju has nothing to do with being an atheist neither is juju synonymous to believing in a God.

There are some people who think Juju is real but lack belief in Gods, they are still atheists because the only thing that makes someone atheistic is "They don't share belief in Gods"

But on the other hand there are other atheists and even theists who do not believe that there is juju stuff spirity and these type of people lean towards the employment of scientific explanations and methods to solve problems we have no idea over.……

[size=16]That a theist do not believe juju to be real doesn't make him an atheist
That an atheist believe juju is real do not make him a theist. [/size]
What makes someone a theist or atheist is belief or disbelief in personal Gods.

We all watch magic shows and even the village juju shows, it doesn't take much to see that these are illusionary projections and only a little study into how the people did this will reveal that it wasn't as you think.

Maybe they don't mind making an amputated hand grow back if juju is so so spirity working, or the blood money brouhahas wonder why they are not in the Forbes list ... [/b]

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Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by Nobody: 3:09pm On Sep 09, 2015

johnydon22:
Am really not in the mood for this. . so if someone asked you how you got to know necromancy was real you would say the bible said it was? For goodness sake even Lord of rings there where necromancers, the film mummy return was also about necromancy and harry potter too.

My question was "Have you seen someone do it before? "habaaa

Yes.

Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by johnydon22(m): 3:17pm On Sep 09, 2015

chuna1985:
Yes.

Please do tell, regale us the thrilling details. . !!!

Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by Nobody: 3:48pm On Sep 09, 2015

ladyF:
Yesso They are also referred to as winchy winchy

And what happened to it's ladyF again?

Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by Nobody: 4:17pm On Sep 09, 2015

johnydon22:
Please do tell, regale us the thrilling details. . !!!

Nah, Its a long story. People r born with gifts, Just hope u meet someone who possesses such.

Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by johnydon22(m): 4:31pm On Sep 09, 2015

chuna1985:
Nah, Its a long story. People r born with gifts, Just hope u meet someone who possesses such.

Lmao...
Aaaaaaw is this how you want to deny me a good story of how you saw someone perform necromancy...

Even Sauron and Voldomot would not be happy with this bro!!!

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Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by Nobody: 5:31pm On Sep 09, 2015

chuna1985:
Nah, Its a long story. People r born with gifts, Just hope u meet someone who possesses such.

Yes, gifts to deceive you!

Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by delishpot: 8:34pm On Sep 09, 2015

Did he call up the spirits?

Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by Nobody: 12:11am On Sep 10, 2015

theAtheist101:
Yes, gifts to deceive you!

Humans decide what they would do with their gifts.

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Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by Nobody: 3:30am On Sep 10, 2015

chuna1985:
Humans decide what they would do with their gifts.

Who apportions these gifts and how did you know your gift?

Re: Are Their Different Forces On Earth Apart From Living Things by Nobody: 7:22am On Sep 10, 2015

b.S.

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