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okenwa:
Try working towards getting it, the present can not come directly from Him yet but if you want to get it, work for it and then you will have it.

then what's the essence of praying When he still has to work for what he requested for?

Princewell2012:
bxcode. pls could you share some of these true nature of God here?

I will be interested to know them.
Or still send me an email. gnwaneri@ymail.com

Thank you.

it's an audio file, will forward it to your inbox immediately, won't regret listening to it...... is your mail address gmail or yahoomail please, it's confusing kinda.

bxcode:
That's not who God is, it's religion that has succeeded in painting God like that. It's a pity and I don't for once blame anyone who dosent believe in God after hearing all these stuffs about rules and regulation one has to keep or else God strikes you, atheists are bolder than Christians in this aspect because they make more sense than most Christians who dosent even know the true nature of God. If ihadn't known this truth about God, you tell me that i need to worship someone who will strike me anytime i don't live up to his standard, i wouldn't want to do anything with that thing no matter what i will gain from him. But that's not who God is truly, he is not an angry God or a wicked or mean God as 99.99% of most religious doctrines teaches today. How I wish I can have a platform to let share with people on the true nature of God. God is a good God.
Op, there could be thousand and one thing that could be preventing your already answered prayers from manifesting from the spiritual realm to the physical realm. I don't know where to start from but you we can talk if you feel like cost all on me.... just let me know if your mind is free to that effect.

So on point bro!

Reminds me of one of my favorite books by Gloria Copeland "Blessed beyond Measure" where she taught on the Goodness of God.

The problem is most Christians don't know how to make what is available for them in the spiritual realm manifest in the physical. People don't know how faith works.

keenn:
I understand ur position,I once shared that faith and talked that way too bxcode

I believe u are a Christian, and I appreciate ur conviction. But What would u say about islamist fundamentalist and their killing spree all in the name of following their believe, what would u say about worshipers of men(satgurumaraji) or what would u say about worshipers of self(budhism)?

My objection is about prayers being answered by a God, if truely there's is anything of such, I am yet to see. I mean! The hospitals are there.

First of all, religion was created by man to siut him according to cultural, environmental and other values. That's why we have various religion today and I must categorically state that am not condemning any of them. But Christianity is not a religion rather a way of life if you go back to its origin in Antioch were the disciples were first called Christians because they were living like Christ while he was on earth and also it's the only belief that worships a living God, other religion can point to the end of the existence of their author respectively. Religion as a matter of fact has done more harm than good because men have twisted it to their selfish and lustful desires. Religion will only permit what will service it, it was religious doctrine that painted God the way he is seen by many today in the Christian world, I can't really say much for other religion. The truth is that God has been terribly misrepresented and he can't just move his thumb and heal everyone on earth, it will man interfering with the affairs of men. The reason why people are not healed are numerous, we live in a fallen world bro, the devil is moving around inflicting people with sickness and diseases not God, God has already made provision for everyone that will ever fall sick but is it everyone that will be healed? No. Because not everyone knows how to receive that gift of healing and also the choices that we make daily plays a part, it is the truth you know that will set you free. I gat so much to say on this that I may end up confusing you and sounding weird, but I know that God is a merciful and a faithful God.

bxcode:
First of all, religion was created by man to siut him according to cultural, environmental and other values. That's why we have various religion today and I must categorically state that am not condemning any of them. But Christianity is not a religion rather a way of life if you go back to its origin in Antioch were the disciples were first called Christians because they were living like Christ while he was on earth and also it's the only belief that worships a living God, other religion can point to the end of the existence of their author respectively. Religion as a matter of fact has done more harm than good because men have twisted it to their selfish and lustful desires. Religion will only permit what will service it, it was religious doctrine that painted God the way he is seen by many today in the Christian world, I can't really say much for other religion. The truth is that God has been terribly misrepresented and he can't just move his thumb and heal everyone on earth, it will man interfering with the affairs of men. The reason why people are not healed are numerous, we live in a fallen world bro, the devil is moving around inflicting people with sickness and diseases not God, God has already made provision for everyone that will ever fall sick but is it everyone that will be healed? No. Because not everyone knows how to receive that gift of healing and also the choices that we make daily plays a part, it is the truth you know that will set you free. I gat so much to say on this that I may end up confusing you and sounding weird, but I know that God is a merciful and a faithful God.

This argument is going in a merry-go-round.

The muslims never said islam was a religion, they also call it a way of life, to each his own.

What provision has God made for the sick people?

Let me tell one of the so many helpless cases I see everyday. Last week, I saw a case of a neonate (new born child) with hydrocephaly (extreme big head), jaundice(yellowish-green body), severe dehydration(wrinkled skin)...and bed sores.

When this child cries u would practically feel the excruciating pain he is passing through. When we go for ward rounds, I am move to tears as regards the lad situation compounded with the parent not financially dispose to pay for treatment.

I an agnostic was the one who initiated financial contribution for this kid to assist with treatment, in my team are Christians/prayer warrior fellows...I wonder why they didn't initiate a prayer section for miraculous healing for this lad.

If I a man/flesh/agnostic could be moved to tears to solicit support ,how much more a god(omnipotent) that u claim is merciful.

What protocols does he want before he can help
? For crying out loud, they didn't ask me for help and neither did I reveal myself to them for gratitude
(This is just one of the so many cases)

keenn:
This argument is going in a merry-go-round.

The muslims never said islam was a religion, they also call it a way of life, to each his own.

What provision has God made for the sick people?

Let me tell one of the so many helpless cases I see everyday. Last week, I saw a case of a neonate (new born child) with hydrocephaly (extreme big head), jaundice(yellowish-green body), severe dehydration(wrinkled skin)...and bed sores.

When this child cries u would practically feel the excruciating pain he is passing through. When we go for ward rounds, I am move to tears as regards the lad situation compounded with the parent not financially dispose to pay for treatment.

I an agnostic was the one who initiated financial contribution for this kid to assist with treatment, in my team are Christians/prayer warrior fellows...I wonder why they didn't initiate a prayer section for miraculous healing for this lad.

If I a man/flesh/agnostic could be moved to tears to solicit support ,how much more a god(omnipotent) that u claim is merciful.

What protocols does he want before he can help
? For crying out loud, they didn't ask me for help and neither did I reveal myself to them for gratitude
(This is just one of the so many cases)

Sir I understand your feelings and I must say am inspired by what you did, I can confidently tell you that God didn't put that child in that condition, it can be attributed to so many things but I know that God didn't create that child that way. The devil can manipulate anyone including a new born baby that is innocent by seeking the cooperation of man. And sir not everyone that claims to be a Christians is a Christian truly, Christianity is not by mouth nor religious doctrines that are everywhere today, it is by living after Christ when he was on earth and must Christians don't know even who they are following about the authority they have.... leave that for another day.
It's God's will that that baby will be healed but it has to depend on those around him and what they are doing, can never interfere with the affairs of men unless he is invited. He put restrictions on himself by the laws you and I know today and for that child to be healed it has to go beyond that laws and enter the spiritual realm with FAITH. Medicine can heal tho if they have already figured out the law to that effect with our peanut brain. Lemme ask you sir, mid someone can raise a dead person up am sure you must have seen or heard such stories for real, .com you think that healing a baby will be difficult for him? I mean there are millions of things that are going wrong in this world that if God should just intervene today, this world will cease to exist because he will disrupt a lot of thing in other to fix the mess caused by our actions and choices. But that day is coming, the judgement day. My only prayer is that that baby will come in contact with a true believer that will liberate him from what the evil one has done. and sir to prove to you that God is ever willing to heal anyone if only we knew how to tune our receiver to receive the healing, that baby will survive that condition and be made whole physically before the end of this month in Jesus name., because there is nothing that too difficult for God to do in his name. You can hold me on that let's see if God is real or not. Do me a favour and come back here and quote me on the first of next month on the condition of that child comparing it to the present. God is a good God sir, not minding how men have painted him negatively. Remain Blessed.

If god didn't create him, who did? Where all things not created by him(evil inclusive)

If an omnipotent God need to perform a miracle he doesn't need the consent or intervention of men, he doesn't. This is a neonate in distress, the disbelieve of whosoever around shouldn't matter or cause any effect to his will

If ur child step on a nail and start crying, does the child need to call ur attention before u intervene? I mean!!! So until I call on God to a child's rescue that is when he will, my gracious!

As regards people being raised up from dead, well I am yet to see one. If it indeed happened, then they were not dead in the first place.

As regards the child, am not in that unit anymore. But would update u if am chance to be there. My brother, babies die like fow everyday in hospitals, definitely(all things being equal) the child will get better, do u know why? Medical intervention (chemotherapy and surgery) is taken place and not prayer or solicit to a God.

If u are worried and moved about this little story, I would employ u to visit a teaching hospital preferably their pediatrics (children) department then u'll understand that we are alone.
I appreciate ur spirit though, was once like u.

If god didn't create him, who did? Where all things not created by him(evil inclusive)

If an omnipotent God need to perform a miracle he doesn't need the consent or intervention of men, he doesn't. This is a neonate in distress, the disbelieve of whosoever around shouldn't matter or cause any effect to his will

If ur child step on a nail and start crying, does the child need to call ur attention before u intervene? I mean!!! So until I call on God to a child's rescue that is when he will, my gracious!

As regards people being raised up from dead, well I am yet to see one. If it indeed happened, then they were not dead in the first place.

As regards the child, am not in that unit anymore. But would update u if am chance to be there. My brother, babies die like fow everyday in hospitals, definitely(all things being equal) the child will get better, do u know why? Medical intervention (chemotherapy and surgery) is taken place and not prayer or solicit to a God.

If u are worried and moved about this little story, I would employ u to visit a teaching hospital preferably their pediatrics (children) department then u'll understand that we are alone.

I appreciate ur spirit though, was once like u.

bxcode:
Sir I understand your feelings and I must say am inspired by what you did, I can confidently tell you that God didn't put that child in that condition, it can be attributed to so many things but I know that God didn't create that child that way. The devil can manipulate anyone including a new born baby that is innocent by seeking the cooperation of man. And sir not everyone that claims to be a Christians is a Christian truly, Christianity is not by mouth nor religious doctrines that are everywhere today, it is by living after Christ when he was on earth and must Christians don't know even who they are following about the authority they have.... leave that for another day.
It's God's will that that baby will be healed but it has to depend on those around him and what they are doing, can never interfere with the affairs of men unless he is invited. He put restrictions on himself by the laws you and I know today and for that child to be healed it has to go beyond that laws and enter the spiritual realm with FAITH. Medicine can heal tho if they have already figured out the law to that effect with our peanut brain. Lemme ask you sir, mid someone can raise a dead person up am sure you must have seen or heard such stories for real, .com you think that healing a baby will be difficult for him? I mean there are millions of things that are going wrong in this world that if God should just intervene today, this world will cease to exist because he will disrupt a lot of thing in other to fix the mess caused by our actions and choices. But that day is coming, the judgement day. My only prayer is that that baby will come in contact with a true believer that will liberate him from what the evil one has done. and sir to prove to you that God is ever willing to heal anyone if only we knew how to tune our receiver to receive the healing, that baby will survive that condition and be made whole physically before the end of this month in Jesus name., because there is nothing that too difficult for God to do in his name. You can hold me on that let's see if God is real or not. Do me a favour and come back here and quote me on the first of next month on the condition of that child comparing it to the present. God is a good God sir, not minding how men have painted him negatively. Remain Blessed.

If god didn't create him, who did? Were all
things not created by him(evil inclusive)

If an omnipotent God need to perform a miracle
he doesn't need the consent or intervention of
men, he doesn't. This is a neonate in distress, the
disbelieve of whosoever around shouldn't
matter or cause any effect to his will.

If ur child step on a nail and start crying, does
the child need to call ur attention before u
intervene? I mean!!! So until I call on God to a
child's rescue that is when he will, my gracious!

As regards people being raised up from dead,
well I am yet to see one. If it indeed happened,
then they were not dead in the first place.

As regards the child, am not in that unit
anymore. But would update u if am chance to be
there. My brother, babies die like fow everyday
in hospitals, its no big deal anymore. Definitely(all things being equal) the
child will get better, do u know why? Medical
intervention (chemotherapy and surgery) is
taken place and not prayer or solicit to a God.

If u are worried and moved about this little story,I would employ u to visit a teaching hospital
preferably their pediatrics (children) department
then u'll understand that we are alone.

I appreciate ur spirit though, was once like u.

keenn:
If god didn't create him, who did? Were all
things not created by him(evil inclusive)

If an omnipotent God need to perform a miracle
he doesn't need the consent or intervention of
men, he doesn't. This is a neonate in distress, the
disbelieve of whosoever around shouldn't
matter or cause any effect to his will.

If ur child step on a nail and start crying, does
the child need to call ur attention before u
intervene? I mean!!! So until I call on God to a
child's rescue that is when he will, my gracious!

As regards people being raised up from dead,
well I am yet to see one. If it indeed happened,
then they were not dead in the first place.

As regards the child, am not in that unit
anymore. But would update u if am chance to be
there. My brother, babies die like fow everyday
in hospitals, its no big deal anymore. Definitely(all things being equal) the
child will get better, do u know why? Medical
intervention (chemotherapy and surgery) is
taken place and not prayer or solicit to a God.

If u are worried and moved about this little story,I would employ u to visit a teaching hospital
preferably their pediatrics (children) department
then u'll understand that we are alone.

I appreciate ur spirit though, was once like u.

Sir all things were created by him in his own image and likeness in the spirit because God is a spirit and good didn't create evil because God is a good God all round and all good and perfect gift comes from the father of light above of whom there is no variables. Evil came out of the actions that men and his creations choose and originally from the devil who is the author of evil, but was that why he was created originally? No. You see God has everything put in place perfectly not what you and I are seeing today. we live in a fallen world being ruled by masters of deceptions and the devil. God didn't cause all that, we brought it on ourself by choosing to cooperate with the devil. But the omnipotent nature of God is such that he has the power to turn whatever the devil has succeeded in deceiving people into doing through their actions, God can turn them all into good all to his glory once you are in him. Whether you like it or yes, God is the highest in terms of hierarchy and NOTHING can change that bro, simple. It's a pity that those innocent babies are suffering as a result of so many things in the kind of world we are in where humans take decisions without knowing it's consequences and the devil moving about causing untold havoc, but it's NEVER God's fault not for once nor for twice nor for umpteenth time. God will put an end to evil entirely someday which no man knows but I can confidently tell you that we are not alone in this earth sir, there are forces that you and I can't see both good and evil. I mean just take for instance a radio signal, do you see them? No. But are those signals there? yea and all you need to do is to get a radio and turn it on and tune It and boom you start hearing it with one of your five senses, but does that mean that the signal started when you turned on the radio? No. it has ever been there since. So it is with the spirit world sir, it exist and you know it but don't just wanna accept it because of your enlightenment in the medical field, all you need do is to tune your receiver your heart and you will hear and see things that your mortal eyes can't see, it's left for you to choose the one you wanna hear whether the good or the evil and I tell you sir, you will encounter it for real someday sometime before you leave this earth either the evil or good side of it and you will remember this chat. We are not alone, never has and never will.

God talks to us through his word and i believe i hear him a lot,I am serious. He is always there,for a born again Christian.John 1:12-But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Bxcode, you're trying too hard to sell the god concept: you've made a thousand and one excuses for him already. if he didn't create evil, how come he sat back and relaxed while his adversary came in and planted evil in to his perfect creation? Didn't he know the dangerous effects of evil his adversary introduced? And he being omniscient, knew before hand what his adversary was up to yet he made no effort to prevent it.

An innocent child is suffering and you are still blaming Adam for eating a fruit? God planned to create a perfect world, he knew devil will thwart his perfect plan yet he didn't do Nada to prevent him from such. What an omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent God.

keenn:
I understand ur position,I once shared that faith and talked that way too bxcode

I believe u are a Christian, and I appreciate ur conviction. But What would u say about islamist fundamentalist and their killing spree all in the name of following their believe, what would u say about worshipers of men(satgurumaraji) or what would u say about worshipers of self(budhism)?

My objection is about prayers being answered by a God, if truely there's is anything of such, I am yet to see. I mean! The hospitals are there.

Hey have tried being close to God, the way you are to your earthly father?
Beloved I feel pain because I there too. Yet I have this for you: there more evidences for that God is there than the ones against it. Among those evidences for is YOU.

simplex2:
Bxcode, you're trying too hard to sell the god concept: you've made a thousand and one excuses for him already. if he didn't create evil, how come he sat back and relaxed while his adversary came in and planted evil in to his perfect creation? Didn't he know the dangerous effects of evil his adversary introduced? And he being omniscient, knew before hand what his adversary was up to yet he made no effort to prevent it.

An innocent child is suffering and you are still blaming Adam for eating a fruit? God planned to create a perfect world, he knew devil will thwart his perfect plan yet he didn't do Nada to prevent him from such. What an omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent God.

Sir am not even trying to sell anything to anyone, I can't neither can no man sell or defend God, i mean that's belittling him. Am standing up for what I believe in and if I can't to an extent convince even myself of what I believe in then I can't start talking to someone else about it. Sir, whether you believe God or not it dosent matter to either God no to me, am just telling the truth about God and how God he is. Believe it or not, it dosent really bother me you know. God is a good God and more omnipresent and omniscience more than our mere peanut brain can ever fathom. One day the truth about him shall be known, but it's gonna be terrible if after all these argument you die and face him. Good day sir.

SHALOM!

deleib:
The scripture call the believers sons of God. It also admonishes us to ask and it shall be granted to us.

Actually, no one has the Right to tell you that you are a Child of God, except God.

FLATTERY is the cheapest tool of Mind-Control.

Do you really believe that YOU measure up to the criteria of being a "Child of God" in The New Testament?

Now why is it that God doesn't grant our prayer 4 a long time unlike our earthly father who does something in his capacity for us at our request?

What gives you the Right to equate yourself with the Ancient Saints whom The Promises of God were originally delivered to?

The False Christian Preachers say rubbish like:

"PAUL TOLD THE CHURCH OF ROME THAT THEY WERE SAVED- AND YOU ARE JUST AS GOOD AS THE ROMAN CHRISTIANS!"

This is what the megachurch minions pay their TITHES AND OFFERINGS to hear.

It is mere flattery, and worthless.

I've been asking God to help me with a little thing now 4 a long time, He doesn't answer me. It makes me feel bad.

When you accuse someone of something, you give the details of your accusation, so that we know that you are not lying against them.

Either we believe GOD, or else we believe YOU- who say that GOD LIED, and did not fulfil His Promises, even though you fulfilled the criteria for receiving a timely affirmative answer.

Where's God?

When you can dare ask such a question, how can you possibly be qualified to receive anything from God?

Your entire Message is disrespectful against God, and consistent with lying.

Many Churches do not believe worshippers of God have a Right to expect God to answer their Prayers at all. You do nor tell us anything about your Religion or Denomination- which is consistent with not having any.

You do not tell us what this "small thing" God FAILED to do for you- which is consistent with your accusation against God being a lie.

waldigit:
Hey have tried being close to God, the way you are to your earthly father?
Beloved I feel pain because I there too. Yet I have this for you: there more evidences for that God is there than the ones against it. Among those evidences for is YOU.

You seem to be missing what this whole thread is about. Why do we have to be close to our heavenly father, pray, fast, praise and pay tithes and offerings to his priests before he listens to us and gives us what we need? Meanwhile, our earthly father will feed, cloth, protect us and pay our school fees, even if we disobey him, fail to praise or worship him and even be rebellions against him.

@OP,


I have the answer to your question!!! There are only 2 types of gods................Those that are DEAD and those that are DEAF!!!

The dead gods no longer exist, while the deaf gods no longer listen to prayers!!!

So under which category does your god fall?

deleib:
The scripture call the believers sons of God. It also admonishes us to ask and it shall be granted to us. Now why is it that God doesn't grant our prayer 4 a long time unlike our earthly father who does something in his capacity for us at our request?

I've been asking God to help me with a little thing now 4 a long time, He doesn't answer me. It makes me feel bad.

Where's God?

Task your brain hard, you'll get it. You are a god.

deleib:
The scripture call the believers sons of God. It also admonishes us to ask and it shall be granted to us. Now why is it that God doesn't grant our prayer 4 a long time unlike our earthly father who does something in his capacity for us at our request?
I've been asking God to help me with a little thing now 4 a long time, He doesn't answer me. It makes me feel bad. Where's God?

Scripture states that God does not answer the prayers of the unrighteous; the pleas and requests and every petition of the unrighteous are tainted by their sins(disobedience/unholiness) and are hence an abomination to God. So, what is definite is that even your many pleas for the forgiveness of sins are not answered by God given that God made no special exemptions for that kind of pleas. No amount of praying can cause God to change His mind regarding that which concerns the unrighteous by the way. So if you are thinking of prescribing more prayers that only means you really don't understand or know God at all.

God, however, openly bragged about how He only answers the prayers of the righteous; He delights in granting them the desires of their heart meaning that they are those who are loved by Him. For this very reason, Jesus Christ urged His followers to seek first the Kingdom of God and God's Righteousness in order that all things— the blessings and rewards of the Kingdom of God(holiness), answers to prayers included—shall be added on to them. And as Jesus Christ explained in His Gospel, the only way to become Holy, and then also Righteous, is by way of continuous submission and obedience to the teachings and commandments of Jesus Christ, god's Truth and Law in the Kingdom of god - John 8 vs 31 - 36 & John 14 vs 15 - 23. Jesus Christ is the only way. Obedience to the Truth of God is the one and only path to righteousness. No amount of praying and other religious rituals can accomplish that.

As for what James said in his epistle, something many Christians like to toss around, You need to understand the meaning of the word "amiss" in order to realize what James was instead trying to tell you in that verse that you pulled from his epistle. If you consult Webster's dictionary, you will find that the word means to be in an imperfect state, a state that is not in the right order aka unrighteous.

Amiss

1. : not being in accordance with the right order. : faulty, imperfect.

What James was saying in that verse is that the reason you do not receive from God is that you are asking in an unrighteous state—a state that is not in accordance with God's mandate of righteousness. So, clearly, you cannot benefit anything from remaining in an unrighteous state as far as God is concerned. That is what God said, and James reiterated it in that verse there.

So, to answer your question. God is right where He has been all these many ages waiting for men to rise to His righteousness in order that He may give them what He promised. Sadly, we have billions of religious individuals out there but not a single one of them is righteous still. Not because righteousness is impossible but because people are stuck in the lies and delusions of religious sinking sand and can't be bothered to do what God wants.

johnydon22:


If someone's father or just any person were to say

"I love you and you must love me too and do everything i say without questioning any of my dictates or i will torture you for the rest of your existence"

We would as a sane human society cry out and point out the fact
"That is not love but rather is sheer abuse"

But apparently and surprisingly this form of abuse is ok to many if its coming from a deity..

The concept of carrot and stick works everytime.

UncleSnr:
If I request something from my father, he gives me as long as he can afford it. But God!!! Hell no, you must work for it and give him the glory.

Is God your Father? God said His Sons are those who are righteous in His sight. So, are you holy, and righteous?

Kobojunkie:
Is God your Father? God said His Sons are those who are righteous in His sight. So, are you holy, and righteous?

How do you know you are righteous in HIS sight?
You thinking you are doesn’t mean he thinks so