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Jozzy4:
Do you see GIVE HIS GLORY OR SHARE HIS GLORY in the verse ?

If that ain't sharing or giving glory then I don't no what is.

If God the Father is not sharing his glory with jesus what glory is he giving back to jesus.

Richirich713:
that's doesn't contradict the trinity cuz the trinity teaches that Jesus is fully human nd fully God.

This trinity you hold so stronge as is it's written somewhere. Despite numerous proofs that have shown God almighty is One. Can you show me there verse where trinity is in the bible please. Thank you.

Richirich713:
What, so u telling me angels can go around telling people they are the God of Abraham Isaac David, and they will not speaking against God when he said THERE IS NOT GOD BESIDES HiM.

Why don't u all start teaching u the God of abraham, Isaac if that's not blasphemy according to u.

Maybe we humans are allowed to take all god titles for ourselfs right?

Bro, you are just arguing for arguing sake. This statement of urs does not in any way support ur views.
Read the verses where those words are recorded again and come tell where the angel said he is the god of abraham.

From the bible verses quoted to you so far you still fail to realise who that angel, a servant was reffering to

Richirich713:
Seems like God is not ok with others being called God.

"They shouted, “This is the voice of a god, not of a man.” Immediately, because Herod did not give praise to God, an angel of the Lord struck him down, and he was eaten by worms and died. (Acts8:23)

We thank god again, that the almighty god was not mentioned here.

Richirich713:
that's doesn't contradict the trinity cuz the trinity teaches that Jesus is fully human nd fully God.

Maybe you did not read john 1:14
"and the word became flesh .
Bro that was why jesus was concieved. To become totally human so as to prove to Satan, to us , and to every living being that heard satans challenge that man can indeed serve jehovah, even till death without sin.

Richirich713:
If that ain't sharing or giving glory then I don't no what is.

If God the Father is not sharing his glory with jesus what glory is he giving back to jesus.

Did you read jesus request? What glory did jesus ask for? Goes glory or his glory ?.

cosiocan:
JESUS IS NOT THE ONLY TRUE GOD.
JESUS IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.
"FOR AS GOD THE FATHER HAS LIFE IN HIMSELF; SO HAS HE GIVEN TO THE SON JESUS CHRIST {by the Holy Ghost} TO HAVE LIFE IN HIMSELF";
◄John 5:26)

Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name ( THE NAME OF GOD) than they.
Hebrews 1:4 ►
Therefore Jesus is called God by INHERITANCE.

"Through Jesus Christ we have access by one Holy Spirit unto God the Father"
(Ephesians 2:18).

◄"Now the Lord Jesus Christ is the Holy Spirit; and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty"►. And if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
◄2 Corinthians 3:16-17). (Roman 8:9)►

God does not give birth to children.

dolphinheart:
Did you read jesus request? What glory did jesus ask for? Goes glory or his glory ?.

Jesus did not say glorify me wit the glory I had.

He said

"And now, Father, glorify me IN YOUR OWN PRESENCE with the glory THAT I HAD WITH YOU before the world existed." John 17:5

dolphinheart:
We thank god again, that the almighty god was not mentioned here.

That's not even the point, the point is it is false to say God says it's OK for us to call others God or to call ourselfs God.

plappville:
This trinity you hold so stronge as is it's written somewhere. Despite numerous proofs that have shown God almighty is One. Can you show me there verse where trinity is in the bible please. Thank you.

How can u ask me to show u where the trinity is if God is shown to be 1?

The bible teaches God is 1, the trinity teaches God is one

The bible teaches the father is God, the trinity agrees.

The bible teaches that the word was with God and was God since the beginning, then became flesh, the trinity teaches jesus is the word of God, and human cuz he became flesh.

The bible teaches the holy spirit is the spirit of God yet it is call God. The trinity teaches the same.

So either the bible teaches that there are 3 God, or it teaches there is 1 God who is much more complex than we think.

Richirich713:
That's not even the point, the point is it is false to say God says it's OK for us to call others God or to call ourselfs God.

Why are you bringing out an unnecessary point. No one has called anyone that the scriptures did not call a god with the title "god" na. And to the best of my knowledge, no one here has called him or herself a god.

It is you that has not adressed the points posted earlier .

dolphinheart:
Why are you bringing out an unnecessary point. No one has called anyone that the scriptures did not call a god with the title "god" na. And to the best of my knowledge, no one here has called him or herself a god.

It is you that has not adressed the points posted earlier .

The angel called himself God and the angel is called God.

Richirich713:
Jesus did not say glorify me wit the glory I had.

So what's the difference between the above and below

He said

"And now, Father, glorify me IN YOUR OWN PRESENCE with the glory THAT I HAD WITH YOU before the world existed." John 17:5

Richirich713:
The angel called himself God and the angel is called God.

So Bro, ur god is an angel. Thanks for sharing that info with us.

dolphinheart:
So what's the difference between the above and below

If God created jesus then gave him glory, jesus should being saying that the father should return the glory which he had not which I had with you.

Had with you means he had glory with God, which means he shared something.

dolphinheart:
So Bro, ur god is an angel. Thanks for sharing that info with us.

Unlike you I'm not willing to ignore where the bible says the Angel is God.

I accept what the bible says everywhere.

Richirich713:
If God created jesus then gave him glory, jesus should being saying that the father should return the glory which he had not which I had with you.

Had with you means he had glory with God, which means he shared something.

Bro, "the glory jesus had with god" simply means "the glory jesus had with god" . Jesus did not have the glory with angels, he had it with god. Jesus glory is from god.
God giving jesus glory does not limit his own glory.
Osinbajo has glory with buhari, later osinbajo asked buhari to glorify him with that glory he had with him before. This does not mean buharis glory will reduce or will be shared.

What is the result of that request for glory by jesus ? Read Phil 2:9-11 Bro.
Does that make him almighty god ?

Richirich713:
Unlike you I'm not willing to ignore where the bible says the Angel is God.

I accept what the bible says everywhere.

Bro, the bible did not say the "angel is god". It was ur view that the angel was talking about himself when he said he is the god of abraham that makes you think that the messenger, a servant is the almighty god.
And if we follow ur view , it means that "god is an angel" or rather "god is angel".

alihamdulilah for making me a Muslim who worship the God of Jesus Christ himself and not sharing and giving the glory of God to his servant(prophet) (Jesus)

dolphinheart:
Bro, "the glory jesus had with god" simply means "the glory jesus had with god" . Jesus did not have the glory with angels, he had it with god. Jesus glory is from god.
God giving jesus glory does not limit his own glory.
Osinbajo has glory with buhari, later osinbajo asked buhari to glorify him with that glory he had with him before. This does not mean buharis glory will reduce or will be shared.

What is the result of that request for glory by jesus ? Read Phil 2:9-11 Bro.
Does that make him almighty god ?

Not according to Isaiah. He saw Yahweh Glory yet John says Isaiah saw Jesus Glory.

"as Isaiah says elsewhere: ‘He has blinded their eyes and deadened their hearts, so they can neither see with their eyes, nor understand with their hearts, nor turn—and I would heal them.’ Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus' glory and spoke about him." (John 12:37-41)

Yet This is what Isaiah Saw, He saw Yahweh Glory:

"In the year that King Uzziah died I SAW the Lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up; and the train of his robe filled the temple......

.....And one called to another and said: ‘Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of hosts; the whole earth is full of HIS GLORY! .......

......And I said: ‘Woe is me! For I am lost; for I am a man of unclean lips, and I dwell in the midst of a people of unclean lips; FOR MY EYES HAVE SEEN THE KING, THE LORD OF HOSTS!’......

...... And I heard the voice of the Lord saying, ‘Whom shall I send, and who will go for us?’ Then I said, ‘Here am I! Send me.’ And he said, ‘Go, and say to this people: ‘Keep on hearing, but do not understand; keep on seeing, but do not perceive.’ Make the heart of this people dull, and their ears heavy, and blind their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their hearts, and turn and be healed.’" Isaiah 6:1-10

Richirich713:
The angel called himself God and the angel is called God.

"Then JEHOVAH'S Angel appeared " ( Exodus 3:2) , cant you see that the angel is JEhovah's angel ?

The angel is delivering the message of Jehovah , angels are " messengers" Of Jehovah ! mr man .

Ibrokane:
alihamdulilah for making me a Muslim who worship the God of Jesus Christ himself and not sharing and giving the glory of God to his servant(prophet) (Jesus)

Ur religion has nothing to even do with Real Jesus.

CANTICLES:
"Then JEHOVAH'S Angel appeared " ( Exodus 3:2) , cant you see that the angel is JEhovah's angel ?

The angel is delivering the message of Jehovah , angels are " messengers" Of Jehovah ! mr man .

Wrong again. The bible calls the angel yahweh.

If u disagree with the bible u disagree with God.

dolphinheart:
Bro, the bible did not say the "angel is god". It was ur view that the angel was talking about himself when he said he is the god of abraham that makes you think that the messenger, a servant is the almighty god.
And if we follow ur view , it means that "god is an angel" or rather "god is angel".

The angel of God [/b]said to me in the dream, ‘Jacob.’ I answered, ‘Here I am.’ And he said, ‘Look up and see that all the male goats mating with the flock are streaked, speckled or spotted, for I have seen all that Laban has been doing to you. I[b] am the God of Bethel, where you anointed a pillar and where you made a vow to me. Now leave this land at once and go back to your native land.’" (Genesis 31:10-13)

Here the angels say he God and that Jacob made a vow to him.

Yet (Genesis 28:10-22) says Yahweh was the one to whom Jacob made a vow to.

dolphinheart:
Bro, the bible did not say the "angel is god".

I am the God of Bethel , where you anointed a pillar and made a vow to me.

Did the angel just say he is the God who Jacob made a vow to at Bethel.

But according to (Genesis 28:10-22) the vow was made to Yahweh.

Richirich713:
Wrong again. The bible calls the angel yahweh.
If u disagree with the bible u disagree with God.

You are a liar ! " Yahweh's angel (messenger)" appeared ( exodus 3:2)

Richirich713:
The angel of God
[/b]said to me in the dream, ‘Jacob.’ I answered, ‘Here I am.’ And he said, ‘Look up and see that all the male goats mating with the flock are streaked, speckled or spotted, for I have seen all that Laban has been doing to you. I[b] am the God of Bethel, where you anointed a pillar and where you made a vow to me. Now leave this land at once and go back to your native land.’" (Genesis 31:10-13)

Here the angels say he God and that Jacob made a vow to him.

Yet (Genesis 28:10-22) says Yahweh was the one to whom Jacob made a vow to.

See the underlined , he is the MESSENGER of God !

CANTICLES:
You are a liar ! " Yahweh's angel (messenger)" appeared ( exodus 3:2)

"There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush......
...........
..........."Go, assemble the elders of Israel and say to them, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob—appeared to me.

The angel appeared and the angel spoke to Moses, so wer did I lie?

Did The Angel speak to Moses from the bush?

“Now when forty years had passed, an Angel appeared to him [/b]in the wilderness of Mount Sinai, in a [b]flame of fire in a bush.....

......This is he who was in the congregation in the wilderness with the Angel who spoke to him at Mount Sinai, and with our fathers; and he received living oracles to give to us.” (Acts 7:30-38)

Here in (acts 7:30-38) Christian martyr Stephen says the Angel spoke to Moses. Again agreeing with me.

CANTICLES:
See the underlined , he is the MESSENGER of God !

He is a messenger who happens to be the presence of Yahweh, who happens to be called Yahweh and called God and calls himself God!

If he ain't a manifestation of Yahweh, the bible is contradicting itself.

You can't just pick and choose, if the bible has verses saying the angel is God and Yahweh u can't just ignore that.

CANTICLES:
See the underlined , he is the MESSENGER of God !

Does the Bible have a problem with this?

Then you will know that the YAHWEH Almighty HAS SENT ME. Shout and be glad, O Daughter of Zion. FOR I AM COMING, AND I WILL LIVE AMONG YOU,’ declares YAHWEH. ‘Many nations will be joined with YAHWEH in that day and will become MY people. I WILL LIVE AMONG YOU and you will know that YAHWEH Almighty HAS SENT ME to you.(Zechariah 2:7-13)

Richirich713:
"There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush......
...........
..........."Go, assemble the elders of Israel and say to them, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob—appeared to me.

The angel appeared and the angel spoke to Moses, so wer did I lie?

Start using your commonsense bro , whose message is the Angel delivering ?