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Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by StOla: 8:43am On Oct 16, 2015
rusher14:
To the matter of boreholes, does anybody have the specs and BOQ of the aforementioned?
This is the question I keep asking.

What are the technical specifications of the contract. Only then can we condemn or commend.
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by emmalexabl(m): 8:52am On Oct 16, 2015
I EVEN THOUGHT THIS FASHOLA GUY IS SMART BUT NOW I KNOW BETTER.... HE IS SO SO DUMB.,
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by 989900: 8:56am On Oct 16, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
I don't think political heads sign cheques. They only sign authorisation for the Accountants to issue the cheque. In Fashola's case, the institutional process start with the constituted tender board and is only finalised when the Commissioner appends his/her signature. The Commissioner in turn briefs the governor(Fash) who has the mandate to revoke it if/when it is short-changing the public. Fashola's silence/pretence is indicting on him.

As for Alison Madueke, we are yet to confirm whether her loot came through contract inflation or through bribery/fund diversion. Or perhaps it came through proxy. Irrespective, both (Fash and Dieziani) deserve to be thoroughly investigated and/or prosecuted
Brilliant!

You see what happens when you objectively respond to issues, in lieu of sentiments?

Looks like you've caught up on the 'change effect', but eh, you, you keep on changing anyways. undecided

Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by rusher14: 8:59am On Oct 16, 2015
chukwudi44:
Seriously do you really beleive any spec of boreholes even in the sahara desert would cost N139Million? Fashola is a thief plain and simple.
Of course the specs determine the true cost.

If these boreholes (2 nos.) had associated large volume steel tanks, reticulation works and were quite deep, in geologically challenging terrain, then the costs would not be the same as having to apply hand augers to make a hole.

There are all manner of factors that determine the pricing of a borehole -

The VI / Lekki axis of Lagos requires greater depth, and is more prone to salt water intrusion. This besides the cost of construction often requires a treatment plant.

There are sundry reasons why a borehole project might be expensive. The devil is in the detail.
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by luvinhubby(m): 9:43am On Oct 16, 2015
rusher14:
Of course the specs determine the true cost.

If these boreholes (2 nos.) had associated large volume steel tanks, reticulation works and were quite deep, in geologically challenging terrain, then the costs would not be the same as having to apply hand augers to make a hole.

There are all manner of factors that determine the pricing of a borehole -

The VI / Lekki axis of Lagos requires greater depth, and is more prone to salt water intrusion. This besides the cost of construction often requires a treatment plant.

There are sundry reasons why a borehole project might be expensive. The devil is in the detail.
What kind of challenges in borehole drilling will require N40 million to drill one in a coastal terrain like Lagos.

We just drilled one in a very challenging area of Lagos for 500,000.

Pls let us stop justifying stealing public funds in any manner.
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by Nobody: 9:50am On Oct 16, 2015
The point is not whether he signed the cheques or not. If his defense is that he didn't sign cheques then he can't claim credit for the good things he did in Lagos because by his own admission...he didn't sign the cheques for those either.


The last place I want to see Fashola is ministry of works, I don't want over inflated road contracts that fail when it rains and then he turns round to say he didn't sign the cheques.


PMB should send him to foreign affairs wher there is no money so he can be speaking eloquently with diplomats.
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by Nobody: 9:53am On Oct 16, 2015
StOla:
I am not surprised by your comparisons.

You are ever ready to defend corruption wherever you hear it has occurred.

Go to the British embassy and protest that the billions of dollars Diezani and her associates are being investigated for was for legitimate government business done.
Why should i protest when they have been investigating for 5 months and still havent found anything to charge her for!! It is either there excruciatingly incompetent or Diezani is actually innocent.
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by Nobody: 9:55am On Oct 16, 2015
StOla:
This is the question I keep asking.

What are the technical specifications of the contract. Only then can we condemn or commend.
Did you demand for the technical specifications of Diezani's contracts before crucifying her you bloody hypocrite!!
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by rusher14: 9:55am On Oct 16, 2015
luvinhubby:
What kind of challenges in borehole drilling will require N40 million to drill one in a coastal terrain like Lagos.

We just drilled one in a very challenging area of Lagos for 500,000.

Pls let us stop justifying stealing public funds in any manner.
If you were a pro you would understand the items I posted and how they affect cost.
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by Nobody: 9:55am On Oct 16, 2015
Fashola knows he is talking to people in the zoo. Caged animals can't reason.
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by Nobody: 9:57am On Oct 16, 2015
rusher14:
If you were a pro you would understand the items I posted and how they affect cost.
So in your mind someone can drill borehole in Lagos for N69 million? Seriously dude!!!hw on earth do you folks reason!! Even Fashola could not justify that cost that was why he said he didnt sign the cheques!!! You guys are just pathetic.
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by Nobody: 9:59am On Oct 16, 2015
when Fayemi was asked about the cost of a bed, he put in on record that no bed bought during his administration cost more than N1.5m, furthermore he went on to give justification as to why he spent certain sums on a government house. That's a governor to be proud of!

Fashola instead was hiding behind "i don't sign cheques" and "I am a lawyer", is he implying that his area of competence is Law and therefore is not qualified for public administration?
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by rusher14: 10:01am On Oct 16, 2015
chukwudi44:
So in your mind someone can drill borehole in Lagos for N69 million? Seriously dude!!!hw on earth do you folks reason!! Even Fashola could not justify that cost that was why he said he didnt sign the cheques!!! You guys are just pathetic.

Stop talking nonsense.

A borehole project comprises a lot of items from geophysical investigations, to mobilisation of Man and materials, to construction. Other items might include casing, pump tests, pump installation (different He value implies different costs) water treatment, reticulation works, Tanks and such.

Please provide the specs before shouting scam.

Simple.
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by OrlandoOwoh(m): 10:03am On Oct 16, 2015
Frankiss44:
It's a shame some fools are trying to defend the indefensible.. That means no ex-gov is corrupt since they don't sign cheques... Akpabio is clean, Sylvia is clean, Ameachi is clean and even Uduaghan is clean.. Fashola is not even smart with the reply, our senators are just dull. So even if you don't sign cheques, does it mean that as the executive governor of a state, you don't oversee the signed cheques and verify the bogus amount of contracts awarded? The number one problem killing us in the country is sentiments based on either religious or tribal stand. I know some people would have devoured someone like Akpabio if he was the one that gave this crazy explanation... Fashola has given both ex-govs , current governors and future governors a bailout to loot the country dry....
Every state has it law (or edict, if you like).
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by OrlandoOwoh(m): 10:04am On Oct 16, 2015
How I wish you're Alison-Madueke's lawyer; this argument will land the two of you in prison.
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by Nobody: 10:05am On Oct 16, 2015
rusher14:

Stop talking nonsense.

A borehole project comprises a lot of items from geophysical investigations, to mobilisation of Man and materials, to construction. Other items might include casing, pump tests, pump installation (different He value implies different costs) water treatment, reticulation works, Tanks and such.

Please provide the specs before shouting scam.

Simple.
stop defending the indefensible, Fashola was given the opportunity ti defend the cost of the website and the borehole, HE DID NOT! So until he gives a good reason why, people are well within their right to question him. Like I said above, no one is talking about fayemi's allegged N50m bed because he categorically said no such thing happened and challenged anyone to produce the documentation showing such, no one is talking about the money he spent building govt house because he justified the expense. Fashola did not and so people are right to conclude that he has something to hide!
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by luvinhubby(m):
rusher14:
If you were a pro you would understand the items I posted and how they affect cost.
Am not, pls educate us on what can jerk up borehole price in Lagos by 8000%.
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by Nobody: 10:08am On Oct 16, 2015
The fashola guy is corrupt. In an advance country he will be treated like a petty thief and not be able to hold any public office.
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by rusher14: 10:09am On Oct 16, 2015
luvinhubby:
Am not, pls educate us on what can jerk up borehole price in Lagos by 800%.

I'm sorry but I know I'm talking to someone that knows little about the subject area and would rather scream through an anonymous forum such as this.

My point is simple... Provide the specs and see whether I would not condemn any aspect of it that is dodgy.
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by Nobody: 10:14am On Oct 16, 2015
rusher14:

I'm sorry but I know I'm talking to someone that knows little about the subject area and would rather scream through an anonymous forum such as this.

My point is simple... Provide the specs and see whether I would not condemn any aspect of it that is dodgy.
Why didn't fashola come and say this is why the website cost this much, this is why the borehole cost this much. Was the senate screening the 1st time he heard about it. Or is he trying to say he didn't know about the contracts? it is not for a member of the public to explain to another member of the public why such an amount was spent, no one cares about your specific knowledge real or imagined. I pay my taxes to Lagos state not to members of the public. The chief custodian of Lagos state was asked to explain excessive spending and he evaded it.
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by melodies: 10:20am On Oct 16, 2015
God should help this country o! The level of hypocrisy is too high. A thief and a looter is a thief and a looter! Call the person by any name you like!
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by luvinhubby(m): 10:23am On Oct 16, 2015
rusher14:

I'm sorry but I know I'm talking to someone that knows little about the subject area and would rather scream through an anonymous forum such as this.

My point is simple... Provide the specs and see whether I would not condemn any aspect of it that is dodgy.
I've given my layman's cost of 500k for a borehole we constructed in our compound, inclusive of submersible pump & overhead tanks and you mr. technical is saying it can cost up to 40 million because it is for govt of Lagos state & i ask you how?
If you cannot state a technical breakdown & attendant cost implication for a 40 million borehole & 78 million website, then please shut-up!
Let us stop massaging the egos of thieving public office holders.
Whether it is Stella Oduah, Diezani, Amaechi, Yuguda or Fashola, let us call them by their simple names, THIEVES.
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by anonimi: 10:24am On Oct 16, 2015
kaycid77:
Even Amaechi did not sign a cheque because he does not like money grin grin grin grin
I guess $$$$$$ nor be money, abi huh grin
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Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by anonimi: 10:27am On Oct 16, 2015
OrlandoOwoh:
How I wish you're Alison-Madueke's lawyer; this argument will land the two of you in prison.
........but the argument got your idol, Fash'OLE plenty applause by his mumu followers, innit huh
How is HYPOCRISY defined?




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Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by NoMoreTrolling: 10:29am On Oct 16, 2015
chukwudi44:
So in your mind someone can drill borehole in Lagos for N69 million? Seriously dude!!!hw on earth do you folks reason!! Even Fashola could not justify that cost that was why he said he didnt sign the cheques!!! You guys are just pathetic.
hehe, that makes so much sense dude, trippy embarassed

as in, he wouldn't have said he didn't sign the cheque if he felt it was justifiable. he wouldn't have "deflected".

good rebuttal there
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by Nobody: 10:38am On Oct 16, 2015
Are we so poor mentally? Have we not suffered enough as a people that we cannot see the tree from the forest anymore? Are we so far gone in religious, ethic and other divisive fault lines that we can no longer even recognize how we are mortgaging our futures and that of our children?


Though I don't condone it, I can even understand the sycophancy if you are a beneficiary of largese by these public officials but something is wrong with us as a people when we no longer know right from wrong. You defend public officials who loot public money, money meant for schools, roads and hospitals,when they are sick they take the looted funds and seek medical attention abroad. when you are sick you have nowhere to go and are at the mercy of dilapidated infrastructure and poorly trained unmotivated staff. When they want to travel they travel in private jets, even airlines like Arik are not good enough for them because they are unreliable, when you want to travel you pack yourselves in busses and pray you don't get attacked or fall prey to reckless drivers and bad roads. When their kids need to go to school, they send them abroad, where do your kids go to? local schools where they are taught by quacks. Aklpabio built a hospital, yet when he had an accident, sharp, sharp he was out of the country in a private jet for treatment, what of the hospital he built?


......and yet we come here and defend these people.
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by wirinet(m): 10:41am On Oct 16, 2015
I do not believe i would be on the same side as Chukwudi on any issue, but i have to agree with you here. Fashola goofed with this question. How can a governor feign ignorance at payments made and authorized by him. What Fashola is saying is that no executive office (whether public or private) should be held accountable for fraud and embezzlement in his organization or government as chiefs executive officers do not sign checks, it is the accountants or finance directors that do.
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by Alezy(m): 10:43am On Oct 16, 2015
chukwudi44:
I have seen some people hail Fashola over his childish defense over the N78 million website scam saying since he personally didn't sign the cheques, he should not be held culpable. I think the same courtesy should also be extended to the much maligned Diezani Allison Madueke,Stella Oduah and other public office holders facing corruption charges.Afterall what is good for the goose is also good for the gander.
That alone proves the kinda country we find ourselves. Everything is politicised in this country if not, tell me how that single sentence makes a huge difference like this, even from the press. He didn't sign a cheque yet the money left n ur the state gov? If it was a PDP led government we all know it won't end like this.
just as Alison didn't sign a cheque when the money left and PDP didn't say anything about it. Now because it's APC led government they want to crucify her.

My point is, am not of any political party so I can't support any wrong doings. Am just pained to see everything in my country converted into politics. Irrespective of the wrong u do, as long as ur political party are the ones in charge, u go Scot free. It's a shame.
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by divineappo(m): 10:43am On Oct 16, 2015
NextGovernor:
Hypocrisy is when Fashola says I am a lawyer, i dont know anything about contract, was never in charge of contract and i don't sign cheques and my commissioners don't sign cheques too. So I don't know anything about the 78million website and 300 mil saga but blames Jonathan a zoologist and his ministers who are not central bank accountants for diverting $20billion and other financial issues.
ur head is correct, u are on point. fashola is a thief, a senior advocate thief
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Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by Ximonak: 2:44pm On Oct 16, 2015
chukwudi44:
Seriously do you really beleive any spec of boreholes even in the sahara desert would cost N139Million? Fashola is a thief plain and simple.
when I hear boreholes, I laugh wella...
if you don't have constructed well, personal borehole, water-tanker's phone no., or you buy from your neighbours borehole; your own is OYO!

pipe borne water is old school(like 20yrs ago) na personal borehole they invoke

Fashola worked in him first tenure in some part of lagos, second tenure na picture
Re: Did Diezani personally sign any Cheques as Petroleum minister? by Ximonak: 4:30pm On Oct 16, 2015
lookandlaff:
Are we so poor mentally?
Have we not suffered enough as a people that we cannot see the tree from the forest anymore?
Are we so far gone in religious, ethic and other divisive fault lines that we can no longer even recognize how we are mortgaging our futures and that of our children?

something is wrong with us as a people when we no longer know right from wrong. You defend public officials who loot public money, money meant for schools, roads and hospitals,when they are sick they take the looted funds and seek medical attention abroad. when you are sick you have nowhere to go and are at the mercy of dilapidated infrastructure and poorly trained unmotivated staff.

......and yet we come here and defend these people.
GBAM...
plus it's our money/sweat on the line(tax) plus our children born/unborn that will service and pay the debts of money borrowed...
God help Us.
#prouldyNja
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