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Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by Nobody: 7:56pm On Oct 25, 2015

All what I've read didn't actually do it for me....

I mean, take a look at the people in those pictures. Why they go around naked has more to do with beliefs than the society they grew up in.

In one of those picture the women are seen lined up and it seemed like they're being paraded, while the men have their genetals covered.

I think those people don't seem like people that do not put on clothes because they do not dim it right, rather they seem like People that do not put on clothes for a particular reason, maybe for ritual purposes or festive rites.

And no one can say they're not CONSCIOUS of the fact that they're naked, but they choose to be naked.

I can be married to one of those guys in the picture and he takes to his place then I begin to go naked, that doesn't mean I'm not CONSCIOUS of the fact that I'm naked.

Animals don't know they're naked. But every human being does, even when they choose to be naked. How and why are they CONSCIOUS? Conscious conscious conscious......

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Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by johnydon22(m): 7:57pm On Oct 25, 2015

HCpaul:
But before we start, are you ready to confirm God's existence or you ain't?

We will do this for just seven days and if you don't hear from him then i will surrender on your case.

...lol... just negodu... psychosis in full display

Anyway so as to be gentle let me hear what you have... common bring it.. this should be fun..

just feel stupi_d replying this guy

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Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by HCpaul(m): 8:02pm On Oct 25, 2015

johnydon22:

...lol... just negodu... psychosis in full display

Anyway so as to be gentle let me hear what you have... common bring it.. this should be fun..

I only need your acceptance, we will handle that spiritually.

Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by johnydon22(m): 8:06pm On Oct 25, 2015

HCpaul:
I only need your acceptance, we will handle that spiritually.

#sighs... ok i accept... so what next??

Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by dalaman: 8:08pm On Oct 25, 2015

winner01:
Lol!!! You have said virtually the same thing with the guys on the first page. The original perception of na.kedness as shame still remains scientifically uncertain. Post the links to those documentaries, so we can verify their authenticity. thanks.

YouTube is filled with such videos, you'll have to login and verify your age before you can view the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skT6QWUArP4

God-haters and their way around everything. You've all tried, individual opinions.

If the Bible wanted us to know about all things, it would have specified the humans in genesis 4:15.
But its not a story book, it only reveals us what we need to know..my opinion.

In line with God's word, we will continue to unravel the mysteries surrounding the earth.

This is reality check, it has nothing to do with any God, nudity and the feeling of shame that is associated with it has to be learned. A child doesn't know that he is naked he is taught to feel shame when naked. If you don't tell a child that nudity is wrong he will grow up to see nothing wrong with it. Many people the world over were taught how to wear clothes. We Nigerians were taught how to wear clothes by the whites and Arabs. Your great great great great grand parents didn't wear any clothes.

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Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by Anas09: 8:12pm On Oct 25, 2015

@ Johnnydon22.
Am sorry to hear u got lucked out because I called U out. Aww. Am really sorry, but I can see U r up and running again.

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Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by HCpaul(m): 8:16pm On Oct 25, 2015

johnydon22:

#sighs... ok i accept... so what next??

Thanks for your decision. You will come back to nairaland to give testimony.
Gud night.

Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:22pm On Oct 25, 2015

winner01:
To measure up other scientific ideas on the worldwide acceptance of na.kedness as shame.
Thats why i initially asked other people to share their ideas after sharing mine.

Oh oh ... sorry for being lazy (in a way) bro ... I didnt even know it was your thread.

@Thoniameek ... sorry oo ...lol

I just bumped into and saw unclad pictures and I just had to ask ...lolz

@johnydon22 and Goosebaba - I've read different studies about women covering their boobies because they're usually se.xualized by men . In some cultures - more recently discovered in Peru - only the privates are covered by any piece of clothing - mostly animal skin

@dalaman .... no culture permits stark "uncladness" .

That's why decency as regards to clothing defer according to one's tradition or culture

Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by johnydon22(m): 8:24pm On Oct 25, 2015

Thoniameek:
All what I've read didn't actually do it for me....

You see nobody here is really under an obligation to understand simple things for you... Your understanding of a simple premise lies within your own perception of what you feel should be..

I mean, take a look at the people in those pictures. Why they go around naked has more to do with beliefs than the society they grew up in.

Most pictures there depict societies people who walk about in their birthday suite, one can still produce pictures where both male and the female folks walk about naked..

It has everything to do with the society because Igbos used to be like that before, It was a societal norm.

but right now the society has changed its views and ethical values on such actions thats why nobody is still walking around in just brass anklet..

In one of those picture the women are seen lined up and it seemed like they're being paraded, while the men have their genetals covered.

Its clear now that you are more interested in the pictures that the messages they convey.

There is no moral weight on being clothed or not, that ethical responsibility is a psychological response to the tenets of the particular society.. it is that simple..

I think those people don't seem like people that do not put on clothes because they do not dim it right, rather they seem like People that do not put on clothes for a particular reason, maybe for ritual purposes or festive rites.

Being clothed or not has nothing to do with being good or bad, that action itself is not bad.

Those people there are products of that society and the society is one that do not recognize the ethical lay out of your own society as regard being clothed.

this is their way of life just as being clothed is yours.. 100years hence with the encroachment of western civilization this people will soon change that world view like i gave an example with the old and new igbo society..

And no one can say they're not CONSCIOUS of the fact that they're naked, but they choose to be naked.

This is the point, the essence of the ethic lies within the moral view on such actions.

You think being naked is wrong and they think it to be normal.... this is exactly the point..

it is a societal effect..

I can be married to one of those guys in the picture and he takes to his place then I begin to go naked, that doesn't mean I'm not CONSCIOUS of the fact that I'm naked.

Since you grew up in a society where it is ethical to be clothed you would find that your psychological tilt over that action will be in coincide with the societal tenets your grew up in.

Bring one of those guys here and you will see him walking around unclad, uncarinf and casual because his psychological tilt over it dubs being naked normal and an ethical action..

The point is clear..

Animals don't know they're naked. But every human being does, even when they choose to be naked. How and why are they CONSCIOUS? Conscious conscious conscious......

That depends on what you call naked. . . Humans are probably the animal to utilize sophisticated tools chimps use that in little way. . . The main essence of human clothing is a means of external temperature regulation, most animals have furs and thick scales.

So the adaptive mechanism pulled out by every animal is in response to its interaction with the ecological system of its habitat.

The ethical values found in varying societies as regards clothing or other subjects of human societal interactions is a developed societal construct. . .

there isn't much need pushing this thread any further... its quite very glaring..Am done..

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Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:26pm On Oct 25, 2015

dalaman:
YouTube is filled with such videos, you'll have to login and verify your age before you can view the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skT6QWUArP4

This is reality check, it has nothing to do with any God, nudity and the feeling of shame that is associated with it has to be learned. A child doesn't know that he is naked he is taught to feel shame when naked. If you don't tell a child that nudity is wrong he will grow up to see nothing wrong with it. Many people the world over were taught how to wear clothes. We Nigerians were taught how to wear clothes by the whites and Arabs. Your great great great great grand parents didn't wear any clothes.

So why should man who is supposedly an animal feel shame when he/she is unclad ? And then has to be taught to feel shame when he/she is unclad .

Care to take care of issues from their roots ?

Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by johnydon22(m): 8:29pm On Oct 25, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
@johnydon22 and Goosebaba - I've read different studies about women covering their boobies because they're usually se.xualized by men . In some cultures - more recently discovered in Peru - only the privates are covered by any piece of clothing - mostly animal skin

This is exactly the point, such mindsets as over sexualizing a woman's body varies from society to society.

Islam encourages woman cover everything..

Western cultures are more free.

and then others are uncaring about it ...

Shows that these societies vary in their views about the sexuality of a woman and a man..

Don't know why this thread is still going on when it has been shown to be just societal differences..

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Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by johnydon22(m): 8:30pm On Oct 25, 2015

Anas09:
@ Johnnydon22.
Am sorry to hear u got lucked out because I called U out. Aww. Am really sorry, but I can see U r up and running again.

Am back now... it was just 24hours ban...

Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by dalaman: 8:37pm On Oct 25, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
So why should man who is supposedly an animal feel shame when he/she is unclad ? And then has to be taught to feel shame when he/she is unclad .

Care to take care of issues from their roots ?

Man can be taught anything. A muslim has been taught that eating pork is very bad as such muslims will not eat port even if they are starving, if they are to do so they will feel shame about it. Africans before the advent of Europeans were moving around without clothes, that is a fact, our ancestors were moving around bare chested, now ladies all over Nigeria can not move around bare chested because they have been told and made to feel shame about it.

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Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:45pm On Oct 25, 2015

johnydon22:

This is exactly the point, such mindsets as over sexualizing a woman's body varies from society to society.

Islam encourages woman cover everything..

Western cultures are more free.

and then others are uncaring about it ...

Shows that these societies vary in their views about the sexuality of a woman and a man..

Don't know why this thread is still going on when it has been shown to be just societal differences..

Lol ... first I asked the question out of ignorance and I've apologized to Thoniameek and winner01

I've now read all the posts to better understand your points of view .

and

@Dalaman and Goosebaba - because some cultures permit covering only the genitals doesn't stop God from existing . That was a puerile assertion to make .

@Hahn if I should start throwing questions at you about the origin of life , you'd end up with we don't know yet gibberish so stop deriding someone's else's beliefs since apparently you don't know . And you shouldn't peddle the theory of evolution like it has been observed , even some scientists don't agree with the theory grin

Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:47pm On Oct 25, 2015

dalaman:
Man can be taught anything. A muslim has been taught that eating pork is very bad as such muslims will not eat port even if they are starving, if they are to do so they will feel shame about it. Africans before the advent of Europeans were moving around without clothes, that is a fact, our ancestors were moving around bare chested, now ladies all over Nigeria can not move around bare chested because they have been told and made to feel shame about it.

That doesn't answer the question . Hit the nail on the head !

Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by dalaman: 8:49pm On Oct 25, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
@dalaman .... no culture permits stark "uncladness" .

That's why decency as regards to clothing defer according to one's tradition or culture

I just posted a video of a people that live completely naked and you are still yapping. I was in Cyprus this summer and they have a nudist colony there in Ayia Napa. Most of the people there move around naked and they see nothing wrong with it.

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Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by johnydon22(m): 8:49pm On Oct 25, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
@Dalaman and Goosebaba - because some cultures permit covering only the genitals doesn't stop God from existing . That was a puerile assertion to make .

You see this is one approach towards a discussion we should stop here because its quite childish.

This argument has nothing to do with the existence or the inexistence of any God. . All my post here none of them even brought a God into the picture or any religion.

I addressed this thread as a topic in human ethical development and not a God/No God crap.

You guys should not just derail and dab into unrelated topics ...

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Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by Nobody: 8:49pm On Oct 25, 2015

johnydon22:

You see nobody here is really under an obligation to understand simply things for you... Your understanding of a simple premise lies within your own perception of what you feel should be..

there isn't much need pushing this thread any further... its quite very glaring..Am done.. [/i][/b]

Just as you rightly said: "your understanding of a simple premise lies within your own perception of what you feel should be...." If not you would see that all what you wrote isn't different from the long epistles you already have written. And it didn't do much at answering what I said.....

So, to avoid going in circles - I wouldn't repeat myself.... I'm done with you.

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Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by dalaman: 8:50pm On Oct 25, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
That doesn't answer the question . Hit the nail on the head !

What are you saying?

Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by johnydon22(m): 8:54pm On Oct 25, 2015

dalaman:
I just posted a video of a people that live completely naked and you are still yapping. I was in Cyprus this summer and they have a nudist colony there in Ayia Napa. Most of the people there move around naked and they see nothing wrong with it.

This is quite simple. . . Psychological attitude towards the ethic of being clothed or not depends on the society.

If you and i were born deep in the Bush men kalahari society we would be walking about unclad and it would be a very normal thing.

But since were born here in a society with ethical values on being clothed, you cannot do that because you would be different and from there stems the psychological feel of shame.

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Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by dalaman: 8:54pm On Oct 25, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
@Dalaman and Goosebaba - because some cultures permit covering only the genitals doesn't stop God from existing . That was a puerile assertion to make .

God has nothing to do with whether people wear clothes or not. Clothing is a human invention. It has nothing to do with any God idea. Your God remains a man made idea in case you need to be reminded of that fact.

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Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:55pm On Oct 25, 2015

dalaman:
What are you saying?

That you didn't answer the question properly . Actually I expected a simple reply

Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:03pm On Oct 25, 2015

dalaman:
God has nothing to do with whether people wear clothes or not. Clothing is a human invention. It has nothing to do with any God idea. Your God remains a man made idea in case you need to be reminded of that fact.

Am done with this balderdash you talk about . You haven't proven that this God we talk about is not real. You claim you don't support the Big Fraud Theory , Abiogenesis and the Evolution . You've not yet explained for months and months why you dont support these theories .

Its rational to ridicule someone's beliefs when you have one which is much better or even true - making the other person delusional .

Its simple as ABC

But Ifeness will tell you aliens did it grin

or that the clothes you are putting on its not real only your consciousness

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Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by Nobody: 9:04pm On Oct 25, 2015

My wonder is that, humans know what unclothedness is; how come?

If it started when they felt the need to protect themselves from the weather - why then did it become a norm that even when some weather conditions didn't require we put on clothes - we still had them on? Why?

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Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:06pm On Oct 25, 2015

dalaman:
I just posted a video of a people that live completely naked and you are still yapping. I was in Cyprus this summer and they have a nudist colony there in Ayia Napa. Most of the people there move around naked and they see nothing wrong with it.

Nudism has to do with choice ... lmao

This is so naive cheesy

Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:08pm On Oct 25, 2015

Thoniameek:
My wonder is that, humans know what unclothedness is; how come?

If it started when they felt the need to protect themselves from the weather - why then did it become a norm that even when some weather conditions didn't require we put on clothes - we still had them on? Why?

Dalaman , this is the question I asked you . She elucidated it .

Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by dalaman: 9:10pm On Oct 25, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
Am done with this balderdash you talk about . You haven't proven that this God we talk about is not real. You claim you don't support the Big Fraud Theory , Abiogenesis and the Evolution . You've not yet explained for months and months why you dont support these theories .

Have you proven that this God of yours exist anywhere else apart from your imaginations? You can not even describe to me in details the features of this God of yours but you keep yapping about it. Your God exist inside your head, just the way the muslim's Allah and the Hindu's Brahma also exists inside the head of the muslim and Hindu respectively.

I don't believe things that have no incontrovertible evidence. You claim that there is this thing called God that is alive, speaks the humans language, is all powerful and can do all things, I asked you to provide evidence for this being and you start pointing at trees, mountains, animals and humans as evidence for this being and you expect me to take you seriously? Let's not derail this topic .

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Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by dalaman: 9:13pm On Oct 25, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:

Nudism has to do with choice ... lmao

This is so naive

Many people the world over don't see anything wrong with being naked. Before the white people came all the people of your tribe were moving with little or no clothing. They didn't even know it was wrong.

Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:16pm On Oct 25, 2015

dalaman:
Have you proven that this God of yours exist anywhere else apart from your imaginations? You can not even describe to me in details the features of this God of yours but you keep yapping about it. Your God exist inside your head, just the way the muslim's Allah and the Hindu's Brahma also exists inside the head of the muslim and Hindu respectively.

I don't believe things that have no incontrovertible evidence. You claim that there is this thing called God that is alive, speaks the humans language, is all powerful and can do all things, I asked you to provide evidence for this being and you start pointing at trees, mountains, animals and humans as evidence for this being and you expect me to take you seriously? Let's not derail this topic .

Stop the prevarication and being indigenous about derailing the thread . You started it

You see how you evaded answering why you don't support those theories ... huh ??

For the hundredth time - We are created in God's image . We share physical resemblances with God . Is it hard to understand or are you being hypocritical as usual ?

Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by dalaman: 9:18pm On Oct 25, 2015*

KingEbukasBlog:
Dalaman , this is the question I asked you . She elucidated it .

Because we taught ourselves that simple. Over time as we got so comfortable with clothes our minds evolved and we associated it with morality. For example, men that live in a society where people don't wear clothes don't feel anything when they see naked women, because they are used to it right from childhood, but that can not be said to be the case in societies where people wear clothes. When men see naked women in societies where they wear clothes they get sexually aroused. Humans have taught themselves many many things over time.

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Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by GooseBaba: 9:21pm On Oct 25, 2015

Thoniameek:
My wonder is that, humans know what unclothedness is; how come?

If it started when they felt the need to protect themselves from the weather - why then did it become a norm that even when some weather conditions didn't require we put on clothes - we still had them on? Why?

Weather conditions such as...?

Besides, we live in societies that frown on unclothedness. There are american citizens petitioning the courts to respect their rights to walk around naked. That's the main reason why we still put on clothes.. SOCIETY..

Did you watch the video up there... It talks about the people putting wooden sticks under their chin, when asked they cannot explain the reason why they still do it. It's now a norm for them. They are also skilled at weaving hammocks. And you think they cannot weave panties if they wanted.

Besides most tribe that resides in tropical areas do that with little body coverings. Because the weather permits it. The Arabs or europeans live in harsh weather conditions hence their need to invent their own style of clothing.

The curse of Adam remains with the jews and their converts. It most certainly has nothing to do with humanity. Thank goodness the Brazilian government expelled those filthy missionaries from the tribesmen.

Re: The Origin of Na.kedness by dalaman: 9:21pm On Oct 25, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
Stop the prevarication and being indigenous about derailing the thread . You started it

You see how you evaded answering why you don't support those theories ... huh ??

For the hundredth time - We are created in God's image . We share physical resemblances with God . Is it hard to understand or are you being hypocritical as usual ?

I told you that I don't believe them because they do not give me satisfying answers. We are created in God's image? Why then are we not invisible since we are created in his image. Does God have a penis? What about a vagina? Does God have it? Does God pee? Does he poop? Does he have pubic hair and hair under his arm? Created in the image of God indeed.

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