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Debroslink:
You guys are not ready to pull the bull by the horn. I remember you were in this similar dilemma in 2013, and you guys sacked Di Matteo(UCL winner), and employed Benitez. That decision made Chelsea win an European title.

Mourinho cannot last a month in Barcelona with these poor results. Barca will rather sack him and employ Xavi as head coach (Who knows the Barca philosophy) if there are no top coaches available.

The truth is Chelsea fans know the right thing to do(SACK THE DAMN COACH), but sentiments and emotions will be cloud their reasoning. Maybe when Chelsea shares same spot with Aston Villa, their eyes go clear.

TheGoodJoe:
Not because of Hazard. Not because of Terry. Not because of Costa. Seriously?

Mikel's roles in the Premier League titles Chelsea won does not count.

Ibime:
Stop being silly.

Oscar is rubbish then and rubbish now. That blind bat couldn't spot a pass if it stared him in the face. There is a reason Brazil fans say Oscar has the blood of a cockroach.

Besides is he a central defensive midfielder?

Romeu was clearly signed by AVB in 2011, along with Meireles.

If I list Emenalo signings from start of his tenure till now, you will see about 20 wingers/attacking midfielders, 5 or 6 defenders and no central defensive midfielders. Till today he is still signing Adrians and co.

Emenalo has not signed a central defensive midfielder of his own accord for the first team since 2010. Every manager has argued with him about it and he keeps virulently resisting it.

What kind of a Technical Director is that that cannot see the team's needs. Incompetent eediot.

Ibime:
Who is Busquets and Xavi in Chelsea team?

Fool Emenalo was on Chelsea training ground in 2012 summer when Chelsea didn't have a manager telling journalists he is building the team around 3 dribblers behind Torres with Mikel and Ramires as his midfield pivot. 3 months later Chelsea was knocked out of UCL group stage, the way Shakhtar and Juve raped Mikel and Ramires!

Someone has Xavi and Busquets.

Another eediot is planning a world class team around Mikel and Ramires!

Mikel and Ramires, 2 central midfielders so poor that Benitez and Mourinho consecutively had to bench them and beg David Luiz and Zouma to play midfield.

GoodJoe, this is your final warning. My next response to you will not be kind.

lordfalcao:
reply if you see it let me remove it.

Ibime:
We wouldn't win last season's title without Costa, Fabregas, Hazard, Matic and Terry.

Take one of Emenalo's "boys" and replace Matic, and you will see Chelsea finishing in 3rd or 4th position.

Mikel was winning the title from the bench.

TheGoodJoe:
I wonder where you got the idea Benitez had to bench Ramires. Ramires played 35 EPL games in the 2012-2013 season.

Ibime:
On the wing!

This is why I said I don't like arguing with 4 year old Children who don't know football.

Benitez central midfield was David Luiz and Lampard. He quickly realised Emenalos boys are incompetent.

Emenalo had to go and brief Mourinho on his first day back at Chelsea prompting Mourino to say "I will never play David Luiz in central midfield". 3 months later, Mourinho was begging David Luiz to play midfield.

Ibime:
We wouldn't win last season's title without Costa, Fabregas, Hazard, Matic and Terry.

Take one of Emenalo's "boys" and replace Matic, and you will see Chelsea finishing in 3rd or 4th position.

TheGoodJoe:
The bench is not the wing. You said bench.

Ibime:
On the wing!

This is why I said I don't like arguing with 4 year old Children who don't know football.

Benitez central midfield was David Luiz and Lampard. He quickly realised Emenalos boys are incompetent.

Emenalo had to go and brief Mourinho on his first day back at Chelsea prompting Mourino to say "I will never play David Luiz in central midfield". 3 months later, Mourinho was begging David Luiz to play midfield.

TheGoodJoe:
Mikel is one of the foreign players that have played the most games from Chelsea. That your from the bench talk is not true.

TheGoodJoe:
One of Benitez Europa League line ups. Is Ramires playing on the wing?
If you want, I will bring more.

Chelsea starting lineup vs Sparta Europa League 2013:- Cech, Azpilicueta, Terry, Cahill, Bertrand, Ramires, Mikel, Moses, Mata, Torres, Oscar

Sparta Prague starting XI v Chelsea 2013:- Vaclik, Zapotocny, Holek, Svejdik, Hybs, Prikryl, Vacha, Krejci, Matejovsky, Lafata, Kadlec

Ibime:
It is not central midfield, which is the crux of this conversation. Benitez "benched" him from the position where Emenalo crowned him due to his incompetence in that position.

TheGoodJoe:
You said Mourinho Benitez benched him consecutively. What does this mean? Ramires has racked over a hundred and fifty games for Chelsea and you say his is incompetent. This is a guy who was solid in the UCL to The Europa wins.

Instead of blaming Mourinho's coaching, you are lashing out on these guys. Forgeting Ramires was in the Brazilian squad before Chelsea. He was a top player for Benfica.

I am not even a Chelsea fan, I hate your club. How come I am the one sticking out for your players Geez.

Ibime:
Sparta?

Why you no bring the final line up against Benfica.

Nonsense.

Ibime:
Mourinho has benched him the last year which coincides with our only title win in 5 years.

Most managers play him on the wing, from Benitez to RDM.

Ramires was in the Brazil squad so that makes him good? When we who sabi football where watching Brazil in Confed Cup in 2009, we were asking what this fool is doing in Brazil team, then they told us that Dunga plays him on the right wing to cover for Dani Alves attacking runs.

The same Ramires that every Brazil manager keeps chasing away from a dire Brazil team that is lacking central midfielders.

Can Ramires play football?

Goodjoe, shut your phucking mouth. I have had enough of your stupidity. Goodnight.

TheGoodJoe:
I guess Benfica was the whole season. As I said. Hold on.


Chelsea starting lineup vs Basel Europa League 2013:- Cech, Azpilicueta, Ivanovic, Cahill, Bertrand, Lampard, Luiz, Ramires, Hazard, Moses, Torres


This is Chelsea's line up in the Semi Final of the Europa League under Benitez. As you can see, Ramires played as a defensive midfielder. So do not make it look like if playing Ramires on the Wings in the finals meant that was where Ramires played and he did it because of inconsistency or incompetence.
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Ibime:
Mumu, look at that line up again. Lampard and Luiz are your central midfield pivot.

Goodjoe, once again shut your phucking mouth.

You've gone from telling us that Pirlo, Xavi and Busquets are your favourite central midfielders to defending a bozo like Ramires.

Does it even feel right justifying a player like Ramires to you?

Both Ramires and whoever thought he is a credible central midfielder for a top club should go to hell.

TheGoodJoe:
Please, that is a 4-3-3 formation. With Luiz and Ramirez in defensive midfield. Lampard playing Central midfield. Lampard is not playing behind Ramires and Ramires is not on the wings.

Ibime:
You are a doofus. I don't like arguing with eediots what I watched and what you are googling 2 years later. You can go and watch the highlights of that game and watch the position of the players.

Lampard and Luiz were in the pivot, Hazard was AM, Moses was left-wing and Ramires was right-wing.

Bloody google analyst.

You have from Feb/March till season end to go googling. We the Chelsea fans who know how our midfield struggled that season will tell you Benitez rejigged the team, put Luiz and Lampard in midfield and pushed Ramires to right-wing. That was how we turned around a season where we went from 6th place to 3rd because we were struggling to qualify for UCL with Emenalos midfield that was getting torn apart every game.

Oya go googling again.

Ibime:
You are a doofus. I don't like arguing with eediots what I watched and what you are googling 2 years later. You can go and watch the highlights of that game and watch the position of the players.

Lampard and Luiz were in the pivot, Hazard was AM, Moses was left-wing and Ramires was right-wing.

Bloody google analyst.

You have from Feb/March till season end to go googling. We the Chelsea fans who know how our midfield struggled that season will tell you Benitez rejigged the team, put Luiz and Lampard in midfield and pushed Ramires to right-wing. That was how we turned around a season where we went from 6th place to 3rd because we were struggling to qualify for UCL with Emenalos midfield that was getting torn apart every game.

Oya go googling again.

TheGoodJoe:
And even if Ramires played in ths arrangement you stated, it does not prove Ramires is a poor player or incompetent. It even proves the guy is a baller and is versatile despite the guy playing naturally as a defensive midfielder.

Is that not so?


How many defensive midfielders in the World today can you tell to play on the wings?

Ibime:
It is not even if, that is exactly what happened. You can go watch the youtube highlights if you doubt.

Emenalo has signed enough wingers. There is no reason for anyone to play Ramires on the wing if not for a tactical imbalance.

Oscar had to ride bench for almost half the season for Ramires to play that wing.

It is a fact that Ramires cannot control central midfield. His passing, touch, vision and strength at shielding the ball is too poor to control midfield for a top team. I supported the move to push him wide because his energy and running can be better utilised there. Who is the fool is the Technical Director who thought Ramires is a top level central midfielder and allowed Chelsea to go into a season with just Mikel and Ramires as central midfield. A 34 year old Lampard who had played most of his career as an AM was asked to drop back, and played that position better than them in tandem with a central defender (Luiz).

When you don't support a club and follow them closely, you see all these fancy attacking players and think the Technical Director. We wey know the koko will tell you the hurt that eediot has caused us over the years.

Costa, Hazard, Fabregas, Matic and Terry won us the league last season. Not one of those players was signed by that eediot.

Ibime:
It is not even if, that is exactly what happened. You can go watch the youtube highlights if you doubt.

Emenalo has signed enough wingers. There is no reason for anyone to play Ramires on the wing if not for a tactical imbalance.

Oscar had to ride bench for almost half the season for Ramires to play that wing.

It is a fact that Ramires cannot control central midfield. His passing, touch, vision and strength at shielding the ball is too poor to control midfield for a top team. I supported the move to push him wide because his energy and running can be better utilised there. Who is the fool is the Technical Director who thought Ramires is a top level central midfielder and allowed Chelsea to go into a season with just Mikel and Ramires as central midfield. A 34 year old Lampard who had played most of his career as an AM dropped back, and played that position better than them in tandem with a central defender (Luiz).

Vs Napoli, RDM played Ramires left wing in both legs.
Vs Barca, RDM played Ramires right wing in both legs (and right back when JT got sent off)
Vs Bayern, RDM played Ramires right wing.

Thats how the UCL was won in 2012.

Ramires has never been successful as a central midfielder for Chelsea. It has been failure after failure in that position since 2010 when Emenalo recommended him to replace Ballack. Every manager shifted him to the wing till JM benched him and won the league

When you don't support a club and follow them closely, you see all these fancy attacking players and think the Technical Director is doing well. We wey know the koko will tell you the hurt that eediot has caused us over the years.

Costa, Hazard, Fabregas, Matic and Terry won us the league last season. Not one of those players was signed by that eediot.

Ibime:
It is not even if, that is exactly what happened. You can go watch the youtube highlights if you doubt.

Emenalo has signed enough wingers. There is no reason for anyone to play Ramires on the wing if not for a tactical imbalance.

Oscar had to ride bench for almost half the season for Ramires to play that wing.

It is a fact that Ramires cannot control central midfield. His passing, touch, vision and strength at shielding the ball is too poor to control midfield for a top team. I supported the move to push him wide because his energy and running can be better utilised there. Who is the fool is the Technical Director who thought Ramires is a top level central midfielder and allowed Chelsea to go into a season with just Mikel and Ramires as central midfield. A 34 year old Lampard who had played most of his career as an AM dropped back, and played that position better than them in tandem with a central defender (Luiz).

Vs Napoli, RDM played Ramires left wing in both legs.
Vs Barca, RDM played Ramires right wing in both legs (and right back when JT got sent off)
Vs Bayern, RDM played Ramires right wing.

Thats how the UCL was won in 2012.

Ramires has never been successful as a central midfielder for Chelsea. It has been failure after failure in that position since 2010 when Emenalo recommended him to replace Ballack. Every manager shifted him to the wing till JM benched him and won the league

When you don't support a club and follow them closely, you see all these fancy attacking players and think the Technical Director is doing well. We wey know the koko will tell you the hurt that eediot has caused us over the years.

Costa, Hazard, Fabregas, Matic and Terry won us the league last season. Not one of those players was signed by that eediot.

TheGoodJoe:
[b]There is a thing you are missing. Chelsea have not had a stable coaching run to build the team. The person who brought in Ramires, if I am correct is Ancelotti. His vision for the team is different from Villas Boas who knew Ramires from Benfica.

When you have different coaches coming with different ideas, the building of the team changes.

Ramires was not criticised negatively at Benfica. He was a rock winning the ball with tackles and interception. The team play was not his own.

Just like Gatusso.

Playing Ramires in a different system makes him look weak. That is the case with someone like De Bruyne. We played a conservative game against Man Utd and for the first time this season, De Bruyne looked weak.

If Man City plays like that weak in weak out for three seasons, Man city fans will call for De Bruyne's Throat.

It is the systems, not Ramires or Emenalo. If Abramovic can understand that a team needs stability and a team will not be perfect all seasons, the players will look better.[/b]

Ibime:
One thing Emenalo should understand is that we all love attacking football.

Attacking football cannot function without the right base to support it.

Hazard and Oscar cannot commit to making an attacking run if they know that the midfield cannot pick up the pieces if there is a turnover in possession.

Even today, while I blame our struggles this season mostly on Mourinhos psycho personality and poor preseason, I know that if our central midfield had been upgraded over the years, we would play ourselves out of this situation.

Can you imagine Hazard, Pedro and Willian not making forward runs if they know that two or three solid midfielders are behind them?

Even in Mourinhos last 2 years, Willian and Hazard do too much defending cos Mourinho is protecting a weak midfield.

In the days of Makelele, Essien and Lampard. . . Duff and Robben just run forward anyhow knowing the midfield is solid.

You cannot build attacking football on weak defensive foundation. That's just it.

I believe if Matic, Witsel, Lassana Diarra etc were patrolling our midfield this year, we would have played ourselves out of this crisis long ago.

I have seen Chelsea team that hated Avram Grant that did not lose a single EPL game apart from his first game cos the midfield was so solid.

Emenalo has done untold damage to this team over the years. Today if Matic is off-form, there should be two midfielders that can bench him with no problem.

That's just it.

Finally, Mikel is an old man. Just forget patriotism please. We Nigerians like lying to ourselves but man cannot cheat age. He has no business at Chelsea or any top club. Even P Square call him "big brother" from their days at Pepsi academy and they are 33 years old. All his mates like Taye Taiwo, Promise Isaac, Chinedu Obasi etc have almost retired and are rendered useless by old age. He should go and rest.

Ibime:
No, you'd rather say JM took Chelsea from a team that crashes out in UCL Group stage to the semifinal.

A team that never competed for the title in 4 years to competing overnight and winning it.

SailorXY:
if City manages to get the washed up Messi & he has one or two great seasons, aiding them to the UCL title, do we then infere that the deal was a success or failure?
Ballack & KdB are not alone on the list.
How about Hargreaves' move from Bayern to United cumulating to a UCL trophy for United despite it being a brief stint, success or not?
Kagawa was a Bundesliga elite when he moved over to EPL, it ultimately didn't turn out for the best due to RvP's late intro, Mata coming in during Moyes & the ever present masquerade known as the White Pele. A Bundesliga elite nonetheless!

Draxler being the next big thing is your imagination or expectation, KdB is already a big thing. Big difference, & yes by now we know money ain't a thing.

We all know Liverpool have more money than sense since the days of Suarez, so their falling for the fraud known as Firminho is no news. His agent did a good job linking him with big money to United & Liverpool fell for the bait.

If subjects in Bundesliga were digging their heels in, refusing to sell their best legs to Bayern, rather abroad we will have the same situation in Germany.

pamcode:
You kidding me bro you comparing costa at Athletico to giroud.Abeg which competition is Giroud facing for his postion that is equal to competing with Forlan,Aguero and finally a fire-brim Falcao.It was after this guys left he was able to shine in his last season.

Nihilist:
It was from Zouma's side though...You know Zouma though...the Centreback? Playing at Right Back? Like you proposed?