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Jesus said "Truly I tell you, at
the renewal of all things, when the
Son of Man sits on his glorious
throne, you who have followed me
will also sit on twelve thrones,
judging the twelve tribes of Israel". JUDAS IS SUPPOSEDLY AMONG THE TWELVE DISCIPLES, SO DID HE MAKE HEAVEN?

I think the other disciple that replaced him went to heaven in place of Judas. Judas couldn't have gone to heaven because he comitted suicide. I may be wrong tho.

thanks bro.
John 13:21-31 21 After he had said this, Jesus was
troubled in spirit and testified, "I tell
you the truth, one of you is going to
betray me."
22 His disciples stared at one another,
at a loss to know which of them he meant.
23 One of them, the disciple whom
Jesus loved, was reclining next to him.
24 Simon Peter motioned to this
disciple and said, "Ask him which one
he means." 25 Leaning back against Jesus, he
asked him, "Lord, who is it?"
26 Jesus answered, "It is the one to
whom I will give this piece of bread
when I have dipped it in the dish."
Then, dipping the piece of bread, he gave it to Judas Iscariot, son of Simon.
27 As soon as Judas took the bread,
Satan entered into him. "What you are
about to do, do quickly," Jesus told
him,
28 but no one at the meal understood why Jesus said this to him.
29 Since Judas had charge of the
money, some thought Jesus was
telling him to buy what was needed
for the Feast, or to give something to
the poor. 30 As soon as Judas had taken the
bread, he went out. And it was night.
31 When he was gone, Jesus said,
"Now is the Son of Man glorified and
God is glorified in him.
From the above scripture it was recorded that the devil entered judas, and then jesus chose judas and not the other way round, coupled with the fact that he was just fulfilling destiny.

xcelentattitude:
Jesus said "Truly I tell you, at the renewal of all things, when the Son of Man sits on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel".

JUDAS IS SUPPOSEDLY AMONG THE TWELVE DISCIPLES, SO DID HE MAKE HEAVEN?

Look at this scripture;

Matthew 26v24 -The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! IT HAD BEEN GOOD FOR THAT MAN IF HE HAD NOT BEEN BORN.

Jesus said concerning the person who would betray Him; that it would have been better for him not to have been born.

The only scenario under which it would be better for someone not to have been born, is if the person ends up in the lake of fire.

No matter the adversity that befalls a man in this life, and no matter the loss he suffers in the age to come; as long as he still makes heaven, then it is still good that he was born.

Only someone who ends up in the lake of fire can be said that, it were better for him not to have been born. And that is what Jesus used to quality the person who would betray Him.

About that verse you quoted;

Matthew 19v28 -And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, YE ALSO (Judas inclusive) shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Judas was obviously included in this promise of Jesus, because he was still among the twelve when Jesus said "ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones".

But this just goes to show that we all have a part to play in the fulfilment of God's promises over our life. That God promised us something doesn't mean it will happen whether we like it or not.

I always say this; Pre-destination is not cast in iron. Even Jesus Christ; even though He was "the lamb of God slain from the foundation of the earth" (Rev 13v8); He still needed to voluntarily submit His will to the will of His Father for what was written concerning Him to be fulfilled.

Whether what God has promised us or destined us for would be fulfilled or not is up to us.

Judas did not keep the faith, he didn't follow to the end. He went his own way; the way of perdition -by betraying the Son of man. And Jesus said it were better for him not to have been born.

The only scenario that would make it better for someone not to have been born was if that person ended up in the lake of fire.

Shalom

thanks bro. This struck me "Pre-destination is not cast in iron". Just like d levite who were suppose to amount to nothing, but when they sided with God things turned around for them. Thanks once again.

Someone else had already took the position of his bishopric.

HCpaul:
Someone else had already took the position of his bishopric.

meaning...

xcelentattitude:
meaning...

i thought you were the one that said you are leaving nairaland, did you change your mind or what?

ayoku777:
Look at this scripture;

Matthew 26v24 -The Son of man goeth as it is written of him: but woe unto that man by whom the Son of man is betrayed! IT HAD BEEN GOOD FOR THAT MAN IF HE HAD NOT BEEN BORN.

Jesus said concerning the person who would betray Him; that it would have been better for him not to have been born.

The only scenario under which it would be better for someone not to have been born, is if the person ends up in the lake of fire.

No matter the adversity that befalls a man in this life, and no matter the loss he suffers in the age to come; as long as he still makes heaven, then it is still good that he was born.

Only someone who ends up in the lake of fire can be said that, it were better for him not to have been born. And that is what Jesus used to quality the person who would betray Him.

About that verse you quoted;

Matthew 19v28 -And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, YE ALSO (Judas inclusive) shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Judas was obviously included in this promise of Jesus, because he was still among the twelve when Jesus said "ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones".

But this just goes to show that we all have a part to play in the fulfilment of God's promises over our life. That God promised us something doesn't mean it will happen whether we like it or not.

I always say this; Pre-destination is not cast in iron. Even Jesus Christ; even though He was "the lamb of God slain from the foundation of the earth" (Rev 13v8); He still needed to voluntarily submit His will to the will of His Father for what was written concerning Him to be fulfilled.

Whether what God has promised us or destined us for would be fulfilled or not is up to us.

Judas did not keep the faith, he didn't follow to the end. He went his own way; the way of perdition -by betraying the Son of man. And Jesus said it were better for him not to have been born.

The only scenario that would make it better for someone not to have been born was if that person ended up in the lake of fire.

Shalom

Whether the fufillment of destiny lays upon men or not, the Bible tells clearly that God knows the end from the beginning Isa 46:9

No matter how hard Moses would try God had known Pharoah wouldn't let His people go. He told this to Moses before sending him at all Exd 4:19

No matter how hard Satan struck Job God knew he would remain steadfast. That's why He was confident in him and allowed Satan his way. Job 2:3-6

Even when Peter was sure of his steadfastness Jesus knew he would deny him three times John 13:38

And even before Judas fell Jesus knew, as the Bible says.

So why did He put himself in the risk of turning out to be a false prophet (which eventually happened)?

trapQ:
I think the other disciple that replaced him went to heaven in place of Judas. Judas couldn't have gone to heaven because he comitted suicide. I may be wrong tho.

Yeah. Especially when Paul came into scene.

Shikenah!

but can destiny be changed?