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dalaman:
In Nigeria today the biggest gainers from bad governance and the very disorganized system we have are the politicians and the religious leaders. The politicians because they use the chaotic system to gain power, dominance and wealth and the religious leaders(pastors especially) use it to also gain power dominance and wealth just like the politicians.

dalaman:
Stop wasting your time explaining things to some one who believes that those who challenged his beliefs and do not share his delusions are sad and in need of love. He feels people that do not believe like him are God haters . How can you hate something that does not exist?

dalaman:
I joined Nairaland in 2008 as a devout christian, I used to debate atheist here just like you. You can go through my posts. I became an atheist over the years and it shows on my timeline here. Believe what you want but it doesn't take the fact away that you are living someone elses fantasies by believing in their mythology, fiction and fantasies.

dalaman:
Are the religious leaders in Nigeria any better than the politicians? They are all the same. They use people's tithes and offerings and open universities, they set the price so high that the average church member can never afford. An average church member can never see with the pastor one on one and discuss anything. Many of their members are wallowing in poverty but they can not even help them. When was the last time you heard any body going to the church to seek for financial assistance over any problem. Yet the church is filled with people that have endless financial problems. You guys are all deluded.

johnydon22:


Lol... this guy shaaa... You have been here before me you should have witnessed the evolution of Dalaman from Christianity to becoming atheistic.

You can simply go check and research into his old threads, Dalaman was a top notch Christian before not a muslim..

I nearly died of laugh as you are shouting accusation like a market woman in a movie scene..

Dalaman was an ex-Christian not a muslim. . . You only think this way because he sometimes uses islamic God in some of his analogies when arguing with a Christian...You funny shaa...

KingEbukasBlog:
Dalaman is never an ex-Christian ask him . He is pretending to make it look real . Don't be deceived

KingEbukasBlog:
What is this one saying ? Are you being pretentious or is this some sort of damage control . Where did you see me mention morality ? And which evidence are you talking about ?

Why should the atheists blame pastors for the troubles facing country ? Anyway when some one lacks proper education such ignorant assertions are bound to be made

Antiparticle:
Yes, pastors are part-responsible for the decay and troubles in our country. Their doctrine is a materialistic get-rick-quick scheme that mostly defrauds the congregation financially, intellectually, and morally. Many of these same Nigerian pastors are stupendously rich and/or are quick to be ostentatious and boastful about the flashy things they own.

Also, you are always quick to attack. What's with the "lacks proper education" line? Your insecurity is showing.

KingEbukasBlog:
If pastors were poor , the atheists will mock Christians - ridiculing this supposed messengers of a God who owns the universe and cannot even provide for his servants . Now they are wealthy , they say these pastors use religion as a tool to steal from the poor .

Una get wahala

djdoxxx:
You Can Imagine How Disgusting This Post Is...This King Of Stupidity Ascertains That All The Servants Of God Are Rich. Hehehehe...Very Hillarious! The Percentage Of Rich Men Of God In The World Is Lesser Than 20% While The Poor And Struggling Pastorpreneurs Who Are Also The So Called Holy Men Of God Gets The Remaining Percentage... Isnt This A Failed God Already? Pastorial Business Is Just Like Every Other Businesses...We Have Those That Flourish In Their Respective Businesses And Those That Fail In The Same Businesses... As There Are Rich Fashion Designers, Carpenters, Lecturers, Coblers, Etc, There Are Poor Ones Too...This Is Applicable To Pastorial Businesses Too. Simple!!

djdoxxx:
Refer To Forbe's List To See How Atheists Are Far Richer Than Christians....Check Also, The Best, Safest, Coolest Places To Live In The World, Atheist's Countries Rank Top 10...We Dont Need A God To Use Our Head, My Dear....On The Contrary, You Guys Feel You Do, Hence The Lack Of Using Yours !

djdoxxx:
is This How Shallow You Think? How Many Rich Billionaires Do You Know And How Many Do You Know That Hypocritically Pretends To Be Christians Or Muslims Just Because They Dont Have The Guts Or Courage To Openly Say They Are Either Agnostic Or Atheist? You And I Know That No One On Here Have Been Able To Prove Any God Exist And Thats Why You Spend Quality Time On Here To See Substantiating Proofs That No God Exist - Not Even Your God...You Only Need The Courage To Let It Out, I Take It, Its A Process, You Are Close To Being An Agnostic... You Wouldnt Know If Dangote Is An Atheist, He Only Needs To Pretend He's Still A Muslim, Afterall, He Wouldn't Wanna Lose His Respect From His Muslim Brothers And Subjects All Over The World...This Is Applicable To Other Rich Men...

djdoxxx:
So You Really Said This? I Am So So Disappointed In You...So Wealth, Education And Politics Has Become A Standard To Assert That A God Truly Exist...Is'nt This Dumb? You Went Wrong Mixing Up Christians And Muslims In Your Post...That Means You Ascertain There Are Two True Gods...Going By Your Logic, Bill Gate, Carlos Slim, Warren Buffete, George Soros Are Few Of The Top 30 Richest And Successful Atheists And Philantropists In The World...Check Forbes List For Other Atheists Who Are Honest With Their Businesses Not Deceiving And Defrauding People Like Your Religious Folks...So My Dear, You See...You Dont Have A point.

UyiIredia:
So he's a Muslim.

Antiparticle:
Christianity and Islam, throughout the arc of both of their histories, have been similarly violent and brutal. For example, based on the moral standards of today, John Calvin (a still well-respected Christian Reformation theologian) was as violent and wicked as the worst Boko Haram member. He oversaw the murder and burning of people who didn't agree with his theology (even fellow Christians like his former friend Michael Servetus). Abegi!

Those responsible for the moral decay of our country have been Christians, Muslims, Deists, Atheists, Non-theists, and representatives from all other religions in Nigeria. Your claim that Christians are the ones "armed with the in-dept knowledge of the word of God!" is exactly equivalent to a Muslim claiming that it is his/her religion that is armed with the in-depth knowledge of the word of God or a Sango worshiper making the same claim.

Stop conflating religion with morality. Throughout this religion section you make too many bold claims based on your "belief" and you provide zero evidence, yet you are quick to criticize those whose positions are based on evidence. Na wa o.

djdoxxx:
Why The Public Display Of Stupidity, Ignorance, Arrogance And Idiocy? Didnt You Read In His Post About Muslims? You Keep Making A Fool Of Your Self And Its Very Pitiable You See It As Funny...Someone Puts Up A Topic To Address The Socio-economic Problems Of Africa At Large And Nigeria In Particular For Everyone To Reflect And Debate On With Open-mindedness, And All You Could Do Is Come Up Here To Rant ' He Is A Muslim'? Do You Even Think With Your Brain At All? You Have Been Getting Intelligent Conversations From Atheists On This Forum For A While Now, Isnt It Hightime You Wisened Up And Stopped Wallowing In Your Mediocrity? How Will Telling Hahn, Johnnydon22 And Other Atheists On Here That Dalaman Is A Muslim Make Them Become Christians? Hun You Are Just Full Of Poo And As Poo As You Are, No Atheist Give A Shit About You, Dummy!

frank317:
The guy is the dumbest noisy clown in this section. He does not even see how makes a fool of himself by screaming daleman is a Muslim. I wonder what he hopes to acheive with that.Don't really blame him though... Blame people that encourage such nonsense.

dalaman:
Mad love brother. . I actually do not take him seriously because I have pages of arguments and criticism aimed at Islam.

winner01:
I know of someone who stopped believing in God because he lost his father who was a pastor, you really think johnydon22 will tell you if he was sexually abused by a reverend father.

Look, just do away with your trauma and look on the bright side.

Adanna28:
What I don't understand is how can pastors/ministers live in mansions n own jets (the ones that do) and still deem to live a Christ like life? I don't recall reading about Jesus living in such extravagant luxurious conditions on earth, basing it on bible scriptures n terms

If anything based on bible passages he lived a rather humble life, with not much at his disposal when it came to material possessions, so why is it that these so called " Christlike pastors" are living like kings in their districts? That the hypocrisy I don't get.

Plus if you think about it, the majority that go to church every Sunday are usually the low income n middle class earners. A high percentage give so much money in thithes n offerings to the church, leaving a lot in financial crisis whilst the pastor is praying over their demise, when that money given could of been used to help him/her personal peril more.

It really sickens me the deceitful ways some pastors (not all) play on the heart strings and vulnerabilities of it so called congregation in to subliminally extorting them for money.

I haven't been to church in 14 years, I still believe in God and pray but in the comfort of my own home in private.

Call me what you want, I don't give a phuck but that my way of worship. But even when I use to go to church, and the offerring basket came around I only put 10 cents in there, coz I needed the money more.

And I didn't feel guilty at all, if God is the provider of all things, merciful etc he would understand.

Adanna28:
What I don't understand is how can pastors/ministers live in mansions n own jets (the ones that do) and still deem to live a Christ like life? I don't recall reading about Jesus living in such extravagant luxurious conditions on earth, basing it on bible scriptures n terms

If anything based on bible passages he lived a rather humble life, with not much at his disposal when it came to material possessions, so why is it that these so called " Christlike pastors" are living like kings in their districts? That the hypocrisy I don't get.

Plus if you think about it, the majority that go to church every Sunday are usually the low income n middle class earners. A high percentage give so much money in thithes n offerings to the church, leaving a lot in financial crisis whilst the pastor is praying over their demise, when that money given could of been used to help him/her personal peril more.

It really sickens me the deceitful ways some pastors (not all) play on the heart strings and vulnerabilities of it so called congregation in to subliminally extorting them for money.

I haven't been to church in 14 years, I still believe in God and pray but in the comfort of my own home in private.

Call me what you want, I don't give a phuck but that my way of worship. But even when I use to go to church, and the offerring basket came around I only put 10 cents in there, coz I needed the money more.

And I didn't feel guilty at all, if God is the provider of all things, merciful etc he would understand.

johnydon22:
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Someone who hates Gods is a monotheist not an atheist seems you are confused about the two.

Misotheism is a form of a theism but that person shares a kind of hatred for such concepts even though he/she thinks it exists.

atheists don't think Gods exists or hate them, when an atheist use the tenets of religious beliefs to refute religious ideas or its god concept it is not the same as hating the god

that you mostly confuse the two is of your own making.

Till date i do not need gloat over dozens of people i have helped get through challenges in their life and i for one do not mention anything about unbelief to them. when you want to help someone do so, it is not ok to bank on the misfortunes of others to instigate religious supremacy or turn the person's mind against their belief

Skepticism is a position that stems from pure curious rational honest in coincide with what is.

what ever you think makes people turn atheistic simply really is your business they do not owe you any explanation on that.

i have had the privilege of getting to interact with many people here on nairaland who Pm me with questions and i am confident to say that "most have shown to take on a position of unbelief in God concepts due to rational honesty and stark curious skepticism many don't even lean on unbelief but yet maintain a healthy nature of intellectual honesty" [/b]

winner01:
Stop being stup1d, i gave her case out of many to show that people go through trauma and they wonder why God allows such evils to happen to them. Aint nobody gloating.

You are a god-hater, atheists do not believe in Gods existence, they do not wage e-wars and campaigns against God. Nowhere will you find that in the definition of atheism. They simply do not believe. When you go around encouraging people not to believe with you, you have deviated from atheism. Theres no sugarcoating that. Maybe you should include "refuting ones belief" in your new dictionary meaning of atheism.

As far as im concerned, you might have gone through a worse trauma than a reverend father sexually abusing you. Such trauma cements ones heart and they wage war against God to fight back. You are inclined to fight God, thats my point, if you werent too rigid, you'd have known. you need to start seeing things from another perspective

hahahahaha so far you are the one sounding very angry and bitter here, i wonder why...

In my post i didn't even once use one insulting word but just check this... lol...

Speaks tons of the two personalities though, i'd let the audience decide

KingEbukasBlog:
Madam , then I'd advise you to change your church and stop complaining . If you give to God and still remain in a tough financial position for a long time , then there is something wrong . There are churches who care very little about what you give and are interested in your life as a growing christian . Like in my church , the little you give is multiplied .

I've heard testimonies of people who gave their last kobo and got really blessed . Please don't get carried away by the false impression of deception and theft these atheists want to give to churches . Those who know their God will be strong and do exploits (Daniel 11:32)

winner01:
Stop being stup1d, i gave her case out of many to show that people go through trauma and they wonder why God allows such evils to happen to them. Aint nobody gloating.

You are a god-hater, atheists do not believe in Gods existence, they do not wage e-wars and campaigns against God. Nowhere will you find that in the definition of atheism. They simply do not believe. When you go around encouraging people not to believe with you, you have deviated from atheism. Theres no sugarcoating that. Maybe you should include "refuting ones belief" in your new dictionary meaning of atheism.

As far as im concerned, you might have gone through a worse trauma than a reverend father sexually abusing you. Such trauma cements ones heart and they wage war against God to fight back. You are inclined to fight God, thats my point, if you werent too rigid, you'd have known. you need to start seeing things from another perspective

johnydon22:


Lol... I have always noticed many pastors teach abandonment of worldly riches and desire so as to stack up riches in heaven.

But they are busy stacking up riches on earth and it begs the question "Do they really believe what they preach?"

If your pastor is by far richer than the people he is supposed to shepherd then one should ask. "Is he here to help us or are we here to help him? "

It cannot be denied that in Africa Con-men use religions to defraud the already poor and desperate masses.

There is nothing more dangerous to an economy than "Teaching young children they can pray and tithe down wealth" it outrages common economic principle and i wonder what happens in a country where people share such mindset.

Crusade grounds and Churches will always be used to extort these desperate gullible ones of the little they even have . . . . . Just take a look at the Nigerian crusade and Churches and see what i mean

plaetton:
Gosh!

Is this economics 101 or 101F ?

And you're a student ?

So ,150yrs after Adam Smith wrote his famous treatise " The Wealth Of Nations ", it has not yet filtered down to your school ?

So, tomorrow, armed with your paper degree and this cargo cult worldview, you would go to a bank and apply for a job?

Nooooo wonder.

With this silly post, I less optimistic about your intellectual potential.

You are now a living proof of what is wrong with Africa.

Anyone who subscribes to faith based money rituals or money-doubling is a low IQ M.o.Ron .


STOP Reading That Book Of MoRo.n.

KingEbukasBlog:
Exactly... if you see that your church is interested in your cash and not your wellbeing - physically , spiritually , materially , financially - change it !!!! Its that simple

Like CHOSEN where they wear Apron everywhere "Protection" "bulletproof" and they buy that shiit even though the church advertise with it.. (Human advert)

People always look like idiots in that Aprons and we keep wondering where they keep their brains...

Thats a con-trick Your Church is the best bro, don't worry others are not

plaetton:
How many times must we repeat it before it penetrates your thick skull?

We don't come here to MOCK the skyfairy.
We come here to your silly and sometimes hilarious ideas about your skyfairy.
We MOCK the contradictions in your silly beliefs, and we Degrade and push them because of its dangerous effects on our national IQ.

johnydon22:


Like CHOSEN where they wear Apron everywhere "Protection" "bulletproof" and they buy that shiit even though the church advertise with it.. (Human advert)

People always look like idiots in that Aprons and we keep wondering where they keep their brains...

Thats a con-trick Your Church is the best bro, don't worry others are not

winner01:
Stop being stup1d, i gave her case out of many to show that people go through trauma and they wonder why God allows such evils to happen to them. Aint nobody gloating.

You are a god-hater, atheists do not believe in Gods existence, they do not wage e-wars and campaigns against God. Nowhere will you find that in the definition of atheism. They simply do not believe. When you go around encouraging people not to believe with you, you have deviated from atheism. Theres no sugarcoating that. Maybe you should include "refuting ones belief" in your new dictionary meaning of atheism.

As far as im concerned, you might have gone through a worse trauma than a reverend father sexually abusing you. Such trauma cements ones heart and they wage war against God to fight back. You are inclined to fight God, thats my point, if you werent too rigid, you'd have known. you need to start seeing things from another perspective

KingEbukasBlog:
Its for publicity and it also has its spiritual significance - for 13 years now . And gullible people haven't found out that its fake

Exactly that's how the gullible people in these other churches haven't found that they are all being placed under Con-jiggery pokery.

If they knew they wouldn't remain so..would they?

I wonder how you will look on that Apron i can shoot you for a test to see if the Apron works though