₦airaland Forum

bigfrancis21:
I did before. In case you still need it, here it is again.

Shouldn't you be fighting Edos for insisting that Oba is an Edo word rather than debating this with Igbos? Isn't it your greatest folly to be doing this?

Agbaletu:
You are both right. Olori - Head of a place or a leader Olori - Queen or wife of a King
It depends on how you pronounce it.

Goodboiy:
In Urhobo we still call king Orodje .. but ovie is the popular one.. As for the OBA we use it as statement.. If we can use it to Refer to God as the King of the world, Can't we also use it to refer to Human ?

bigfrancis21:
If olori is used especially in Ughelli as you said, then it is not popular all over Urhobo land as you say and should not be a 'standard' urhobo word. Towns or areas within a linguistic area often borrow words from neighbouring towns but remain unique to that area. The Abiriba and Ohafia people of Abia state share a few words in common with the Ibibios of Akwa Ibom state but these words are restricted only to those area and it would be wrong to claim that word as 'standard' Igbo word over the more generally used Igbo words common to most Igbo groups.

Thus, in this instance, olori can be said to be popular to the Ughelli area and not quite known all over Urhobo land. Your fellow Urhobos have corrected you on this.

Like I mentioned earlier, specify what 'head' you are referring to in your wordlist or take it out completely because an Urhobo speaker just corrected you that 'head' as in part of the body is Uyovwe in Urhobo and not olori.

I have an Urhobo course mate and I can quickly confirm from her what 'head' is in Urhobo.

Goodboiy:
We call Inlaw Orgor which is pure Igbo
also word like Ugo is an Igbo word for Eagle and we still using it in Urhobo

Goodboiy:
It just so sad those we claim they re Urhobo don't Understand our language...

bigfrancis21:
Someone suggested 'ezi' for pig being used in Urhobo. Is this correct?

Agbaletu:
Please Goodboiy, can you share more Urhobo words that are similar or the same with Yoruba words?

IlekeHD:
You posted a source from some blog and then later retracted that YOUR claim is by someone who is also as unsure as you and you expect anyone to take you serious?

If you're really looking for an education on Yoruba-Edo relationship, why not ask from both Yoruba and Edo?

You hate Yorubas. You tried to rw-write Yoruba history. Yorubas came and corrected You. EOD.

bigfrancis21:
Lol. I do not hate Yorubas neither do I see any correction anywhere as you have mentioned. My current project partner in school here in the US is Yoruba. On the other hand, all I see are people who are expressing shock at something that goes against their very belief they have been ingrained with since childhood. Don't claim victory when there was not an inch of victory won so far.

You were initially shocked to find out that a word which you grew up to believe was Yoruba could actually be Bini, and you were all over the place only to start realizing that it could be true after all.

I am expecting your rebuttal to Bini writer's post. Making blanket statements do not suffice as 'victory'. I expect counter-evidence from you. The first Ogiso of Bini was Ogiso Oba godo (meaning high king) and this long preceded Oba Eweka who is related to the Yoruba monarchy.

Moreover, I am not re-writing Yoruba history. I am only presenting the Bini/Edo mythology on the origin of 'oba'.

Goodboiy:
Yea sure.. I will do that tomorrow then mention you.. but for now am defending my earlier claim , From big francis.. The guy nor just like Yoruba

rexbuton:
It's really sad! I don't try to convince them or refute their assumptions, numerical advantage and the now famous igbo 'likes technology' always wins.

There are more differences between bini and esan, though they are too technical for the uninitiated. And there are very few binis on NL, I only know you and physicsqed, you know more?

Donjowebs:
Ewa in Yoruba means beans and same in Urhobo, but there are Urhobo words for beans which are peculiar to "Us" i.e the ésha is a different specie of beans while the white one is called "iré". So depending on your dialect/part of Urhoboland you hail from they could mean one and same or different, as for me I am from Olomu and iré and ésha are distinctly different.

IlekeHD:
You do not hate Yoruba but going through your post history, you're as anti-Yoruba as pazienza. That's your headache.

But coming on a public forum with half-arsed knowledge of Yoruba culture complexities is insulting. And then to argue with Yorubas about their own history until you cowardly backtracked is even more insulting.

You even claimed that "omo" is not a Yoruba word. Are you okay? The Bini guy you keep harping on is Esan, but I fear is an igbo tout claiming bini.

Radoillo:
But I thought it was well known in historical circles that some Urhobo-Isoko clans have traditions of Igbo origins.

macof:
is an Esan man an authority over the royal house of Bini?

macof:
is an Esan man an authority over the royal house of Bini?

bigfrancis21:
I hate nobody and I only correct wrong impressions. Some of my very good friends here in the states are Yorubas.

IlekeHD, take a good look at yourself. You throw accusations at another person yet you are the number 1 anti-Igbo bigot known all over this website. You have made a name for yourself as an anti-Igbo bigot not in one section but across all sections on this website. Who does not know you to tribalize almost every thread on nairaland with your tribalistic attitude. You find it easy to denigrate other lands and people but cry the loudest when things are said about your tribe. You are very tribalistic and have demonstrated effortlessly times without number the inability to reason clearly without tribalistic subjectivity.

Take off the specks in your eyes before you feel 'moral' enough to take off the specks off someone else's eyes.

IlekeHD:
I know I'm a tribalist...Yoruba interest over others......I admit it and I know it. That's why I'm not a mod.

You were the same tribalistic bigot before you become a mod and you still are. You're a mod and you still don't know how to act.

airsaylongcon:
What do you call the oldest man in a village in Urhobo? It's called Okpara which is the same with the Igbos. This is what DikeOha882 is looking to hear

Kirigidi:
There is no disputin d fact dat several Urhobo-Isoko clans, at one time or d other in d ancient pasts, hav had som kinds of ancestral links or cultural contacts wit Igboid pipo. Such cultural contacts or interactns brougt along wit it gradual adoptn, learnin nd copyin of words frm both languages. E.g., d historical accounts of origin of Evwreni, Emede, Olomu, Igbide nd Orogun clans of Urhobo-Isoko, tell of d arrival of som Igbo elements/migrants to those clans at various time in history, nd they were gradualy assimilatd by d already-establishd larger Edoid aborigines. D summary is dat Urhobo-Isoko land in d course of history receivd influx of som Igbo migrants escapin populatn pressure in Igbo mainland east of d Niger River, nd they as "newcomers" were warmly acceptd, accomodatd nd integratd by dia hosts (d larger Urhobo-Isoko society/populatn).

Ihuomadinihu:
Lol, why are you all mentioning me up and down. I only wanted to get basic information concerning the presence of Igbo words in Urhobo/Isoko language. This fear of Igbo people is getting out of hand and you all should deal with it! Nobody is claming Urhobo and Isoko to be Igbo or Igboid but the word out there is that some Isoko clans have Igbo ancestry or influence,which ever way you want to put it. What you have here is not a unique case. Even in Igbo,we share certain words with our neighbours and that is a pointer to shared ancestry or influence if further investigations are conducted.
It will be nice if we have an open discussion about the origin of those Yoruba and Igbo words in your language instead of coming off as angry whenever Igbo is mentioned along side Isoko/Urhobo.

bigfrancis21:
First, Oh well, it is a glad thing that you accept you are tribalist. You should probably work on your mindset then.

Secondly, you are a mother of many children I suppose, and you still do not know how to comport yourself as a mature adult mother with responsibility.

Finally, I do not understand the whole talk about my being a mod. I posted something many Binis believe themselves and you and your cohorts accused me of being an ignorant moderator for saying something many Binis/Edos believe themselves. Then I provided proof and you are still talking about moderating instead of providing rebuttal to the fact that the first Ogiso of Bini was Ogiso Oba godo. I am waiting patiently for your rebuttal.

IlekeHD:
Yes, i'm a mother of 20 chudren. And since when should that stop me from making their yoruba interest more important than the sham called Nigeria interest.

So when I see fellow tribalist like yourself, I will call you out when you try to re-write an history that is not yours.

How can someone as big as yourself use blogs to claim that Yoruba history is wrong? Shame no dey kash you?

And you better tell that cheerleader of yours to bite dust.

ayobase:
Olori in Yoruba means Queen.

nice thread.

Goodboiy:
Yea sure.. I will do that tomorrow then mention you.. but for now am defending my earlier claim , From big francis.. The guy nor just like Yoruba

bigfrancis21:
Don't put words into my mouth. I never said Yoruba history was wrong neither did I re-write Yoruba history. Just like other people pointed out to the op certain words which were not right, so did I. You took it out of proportion to overreact rather than do research for yourself to see if it was true or not.

I find it funny that you keep stylishly replying or dodging the fact that I keep posing at you: the first Ogiso of Bini preceding Oba Eweka was Ogiso Oba godo.

Goodboiy:
NO URHOBO CLAN HAS IGBO ANCESTRY … We re 100% Edo.. You better edit your post before other Urhobo sees it.. We re not connected to Igbo in any way

IlekeHD:
No one needs to put words in your mouth......you're doing a goddam jobof incriminating yourself by uttering ignorant remarks about subjects beyond your understanding.

When a BINI person wants to discuss with Yoruba about the term "oba"....we'll be here. Not with the likes of Esan and igbos who do not understand the complexities of Yoruba-Bini.

trapQ:
Oniovo biko ya'jhi ikwo na woh', u seem to forget they like by force attachment. Theyre already over stressing this issue saying that we have Igbo ancestry. If anything, we have more Yoruba words than Igbo words and the Yoruba's should be the ones claiming us, not the Igbo's. We were also with the Yorubas in the old western region. You don't see the Yorubas losing sleep over this.