₦airaland Forum

MrsNgoziKalu:
American too is in debt of course and China too. does that mean your Almighty alaibo is better than them? (not that they are not in debt though).

Queseda:
There is something in the psychological makeup of Igbos that makes them always go looking for trouble. In the calmest of circumstances they will always do something that would annoy those around them, create conflict and then live in conflict; they seem to enjoy living in conflicts.

As it were, they seem to have death wish and do things that would make those around them to attack them, and or kill them hence gratify their death wish (thanatos).

Consider their relationship with their neighbors. Invariably they would say or do something that even a child knows would irritate those neighbors and do it as if they do not know that such actions irritate people. Consider Obi Nwankanma’s concocted historiography. The man is apparently writing a history of Igbos (as gleaned from the snippets of it that he posts on the Internet). Invariably, he would make claims to the effect that Igbos stimulated what their neighbors did or he would make Igbos have credit for what other Nigerian tribes did. And he would make these self-serving bogus claims as if they are true. He is, of course, lying but presents his lies as if they are substantiated truths! The man writes history as propaganda!

Taking credit for what other tribes did diminish those tribes self-respect; they feel attacked and angry at him and by generalization at all Igbos. Thus, the man’s private behavior has negative public consequences for most Igbos, for other Nigerians who feel insulted by him (in a country where folks indulge in stereotyping behaviors, by all Igbos) attack any Igbo in sight.

And this misguided man is not the only one doing what he does; many Igbos do it. Consider their unreasoning response to Frederick Lugard and his British cohorts. Britons created what is now called Nigeria in 1914. Igbos who hitherto did not have a nation were for the first time placed under one administrative unit hence given a sense of being one people. But instead of being grateful to Lugard for hastening their sense of oneness some foolish Igbos call Nigeria Lugard’s cage; that is to say that they feel caged in a place they would rather not be in.

They flock to other parts of that Lugard’s cage to seek employment! The Yorubas allowed them to come to Lagos, a Yoruba city. Now many of them live at Lagos. Instead of expressing gratitude to their Yoruba hosts some of them now claim that Lagos is an Igbo city! Imagine that cheek!

Yorubas could feel insulted by squatters claiming ownership of their land and attack and kill a few of them and the rest of them would carry their loads on their sorry heads and march to the East. They would not even have the courage to stand and fight to death. When the going gets tough they always run to their tribal enclave.

These people routinely insult Hausas and Hausas, not being as patient as Yorubas are, often pick up their machetes and start slashing at any Igbo in sight.

These people literally ask other people to attack them and when attacked they turn around and see themselves as victims. Alas, the rest of the world does not come to their rescue!

The white man could care less if Africans murdered other Africans, if in doubt see the Sudan, Somalia and East Congo where Africans, as we speak, are butchering each other and the International community give them all the opportunity they need to get rid of themselves from the face of this earth (and leave the damn continent for animals so that white men come on wild life safaris in it).

If other Nigerians start murdering Igbos no African Union or United Nations would come to their rescue and even if they did they would send African soldiers, who are likely to be Muslims and hence participate in killing Igbos some more!

These people are not aware of the real world they live in and talk as if they are invulnerable supermen when in fact they are the most vulnerable group of Nigerians (other Nigerians hate their arrogance and could easily gang up on them and do away with them).

So why do Igbos do these crazy things when they could have peaceful relationship with their neighbors? Why do they go looking for trouble (as Fela Kuti said, trouble de sleep” iyanga” de look for am)?

Fela recognized that pride (iyanga)causes interpersonal troubles; Igbos are” inordinately proud” [/b]and out of their pride insult other folks and those folks also being “normally proud” human beings (all human beings feel proud, in degrees; the neurotic, aka narcissistic and or paranoid personality feels inordinately proud)feel degraded and attack them.

Fela was an insightful musician, not trained psychologist. There is a more psychological process at work in these people’s apparent irrational behavior. They do what they do because of their inordinate sense of inferiority.

Feeling totally inferior and wanting to seem fictionally superior to other persons they make claims that would seem to make them seem superior to other people. Those absurd claims naturally make those they belittle angry, and those attack them.

INFERIORITY FEELING

I am saying that Igbos go looking for trouble because of their sense of inferiority and paranoid level of compensatory superiority (according to Alfred Adler, all human beings feel inferior and compensate with some superiority feeling and quest for power over their world, but the neurotic over does it).

DEATH WISH (OR FREUD’S THANATOS)

It is as if these people have a death wish and must attack other people so as to generate other people’s counter attacks on them, and when attacked they feel persecuted hence feel alive. The pathological ego feels alive when persecuted!

The paranoid person feels alive when he feels attacked and is defensive; if not feeling attacked and persecuted and defensive he does not feel like he is alive!

The paranoid person has not yet learned that a person can feel even more alive by loving himself and those around him. If you want to truly feel alive do what loves other people and what serves people’s interests.

The alternative to Christian agape love for all people is the paranoid attacks on people that generate counter attack for him and he gets attacked and in defending his self feels falsely alive.

For the longest time I could not quite understand this oddity in many Igbos behavior. Finally, I understood it. They engage in their apparent self-defeating behaviors because of mental disorder. They suffer mass delusion disorder (follies adieu, aka group paranoia).

The deluded person takes his private interpretation of reality as reality. He wants to seem superior and powerful, which he is not; he imagines that he is superior and powerful; believes what is not true as true hence is deluded.

The mentally ill person is not operating in the real world; he is living in his personal world, his fantasy world where he is all powerful and invincible.

The sadist part of it all is that even if you understand the dynamics of what is going on in the deluded person’s head and tell him about it he does not get it and continues doing what he does that gives him certain results and continues to get the same results while expecting different results.

[b]Igbos insult other people, make them angry; they get attacked and or killed. They do not want to be attacked and killed; that is, they want different results but they keep doing what generates the old results and get it. This is the definition of mental disorder: doing the same thing while expecting different results. An alcoholic keeps drinking but does not expect to damage his liver and health; poor soul; as long as he is addicted to his drug of choice he must be slowly damaging his liver, brains and killing himself even though he wishes to be healthy and live.

I know that these people are not going to change for part of mental disorder is not to see what is obvious to the normal person. The normal person, as if instinctively, recognizes that if you insult folks that they would be angry at you and that some of them would attack you, but these bizarre folks keep attacking others (by insulting them) and not expecting them to counter attack them in self-defense.

They do not know what they are doing and one is wasting one’s time trying to get them to recognize the obvious.

I suppose this is my mission: to keep stating the obvious until those who wear blinders finally remove their veil and see it; remove the mask over their eyes and see reality as it is. I will never give up on them after all they are my people, and attacks on them, even if self-brought, are attack on me (when folks begin attacking or killing Igbos they will attack or kill me, too). The sins of fathers are visited on their children’s heads. Therefore, I must keep trying to help them smell the coffee and roses.

jstbeinhonest:
Armaggedon jst sharap,u knw notin...'ogun has no industries'....the kind of things i read on nairaland.

VickJames:
Can you compare the amount collected by these states to that collected by Ogun, Osun, Ondo and Oyo states.

Gov. Ifeanyi Ugwuanyi of Enugu State has said that his administration needs more than N32. 2 billion to off-set the arrears of workers’ salaries, gratuities, pensions and subventions.

“The government applied for N39 billion but was given N14.152 billion because the governor even wanted to clear the gratuities but we have a constraint. What the governor may not be able to handle is gratuity. We are praying for more bailout.

VickJames:
hahahahhhahhaah

America doesnt owe its people salary and China doesnt have only 55million naira in circulation.

please, go and pay your civil servants please.

scholes0:
Lmao Madam Ngozi I hail o.. Are you in any way related to Mr Nnamdi?

MrsNgoziKalu:
I ask again! is it about the govt or its people? which one.


lemme play with you small
which state is the poorest state in Nigeria?
osun right?

scholes0:
Lmao Madam Ngozi I hail o.. Are you in any way related to Mr Nnamdi?

arresa:
You are not making any sane and rational sense and I'll break it down for you to understand and digest.


1. If my economy is bad, terrible and I'm poor, what's their for you to exploit? Why leave the comfort of your own home just to go exploit people with nothing and that you are supposedly better than.

People all over the world including SE people migrate to places with better economic opportunities, places with more to offer than their own home.

You don't leave behind your own home, family, food, culture and way of life just to exploit poor people with nothing to offer you economically.

Yoruba people migrate across Yoruba land for obvious reasons starting from same history, language, culture and tradition, food, way of life, politics and political affiliation and so on.

Instead of asking me why Yoruba people migrate to Lagos, you should be asking yourself why SE people migrate to poor Osun, Ekiti, Oyo and Ogun state if those states have nothing to offer and why the same states don't migrate to SE if SE really have anything to offer the rest of Nigeria.

Armaggedon:
you are still using lies to defend your lies. You are delibrately obfuscating. To an average igbo businessman, sw is dead except lagos. stop using the vague term of 'Sw' to feel good. List bubbling cities in west as a sign of better life aside lagos. Even an emmerging one (like nnewi).

oyo,osun ekiti ogun are dry states.

These states have a very tiny middle class. They have no industries, no large markets or big time artisans. Their economy is sustained by civil servant who are hardly paid 'cos the govt has very poor igr base (except propaganda and fake stats)
now can you tell me where your theory of 'disposable income' is coming from?

Who has the income? Is it the ones fayose are sending to the east to come and learn? Is it the ones nema and winners are sending relief material in osun? Is it the ones in ibadan that celebrate pizza shop with selfies?

american british or chinese expatriates and businessmen that are in nig. Does it mean that nig is richer than their countries? the rule of business is to make profit, profit and more profit! Every business seeks markets that are outsider immediate market. New markets are needed for products. It is only yoruba that get excited seeing foreigners in their land.

there are many hausas and yorubas in onitsha and east but stiff competition has condemn to to petty business like agbo selling and shoe maker business. what can u do in a place where natives effectively control their environment and is headed to control yours?
their is no tribalism here. U have no point

VickJames:
please play outside,

matured men here

Aufbauh:
Everyone will always love or hate something for a particular reason whether fictitious or real.
We should not also forget the fact that our happiness or otherwise is not dependable on anyone but ourselves. We can generate love or hate for something depending on our strategic positioning.
The Op maybe right in some cases but the factors he mentioned may not just be a sudden occurrences or conscious design to relegate others but a strategic positioning of the people.
The southeasterners cry of marginalisation in critical sectors of the government today is probably as a result of the foundation they have laid after the post civil war. Most of them were not interested in the civil service as they prefers private business and daily earnings.
I could remember when after my primary school in the eighties, most of our best student in the class who are Ibos decline to further and prefer to serve a master of trade.
They probably felt making money through the huddles of schooling is a long process even though they were brilliant in the classroom.
The mentality that the civil service is a slow process of progress as against the quick return from business has been ingrained in them, that is why a typical Ibo man will brag in the street that he don't the government to survive not knowing that the government decide policies and programs that determine the environment for his business.
In my region, the middle belt there's a consciousness and willingness to serve the government especially in the military or paramilitary and that is why in every 10 military or paramilitary men you see, you can count up to 6 or more as a middle beltan.
Those who choose to build a career with patience will always rise through the ranks.
The typical hausa-fulani man is political conscious and that is why they are always eager to know who governs them by participating more in the electioneering processes.
The yoruba is investment conscious, always thinking of what legacies he will bequeath his offspring and not competing against kinsmen and that is why they are patient in their dealings.
The Ibo man thinks of his immediate wealth and worth to showcase before peers and kins and that is why they are more concerned about daily turnover that will boost and build their immediate financial standing.

TONYE001:
Apostrophes shouldn't be used to pluralize words.

MrsNgoziKalu:
The person you are quoting is mentally unstable.
that's the fact, this isn't defensive argument again, it's foolishness, even a ten years old kid knows that Ogun Lagos and Oyo is the most industrialised states in Nigeria.

arresa:
I see what you are saying. Their arguments sounds very off and unintelligent.

MrsNgoziKalu:
very very unintelligent.
They said they are the most educated tribe in w/Africa. fine. show us the source of the survey. they will start bringing news on how anambla won a primary school debate. one fool said osun is the poorest state in Nigeria, fine let's see the proof. idiot was bringing news on what aregbesola was saying about osun. is that the kinda of people you will be arguing with. people that said Chinese & Americans are jealous of them.

Mynd44:
And that's a pact or a show that the people prefer one candidate over another?

I guess in 2011, the SW had a pact with the SS to vote GEJ right?

MrsNgoziKalu:
. See this idiot consoling her/himself. no let elders of your village hear you o. they Will beat you mercilessly. it's obvious, you are pained. List bubbling cities in west as a sign of better life aside lagos. Even an emmerging one (like nnewi).Not again. the problem with iboes on nairaland is nothing but noise. I am very sure you haven't been to SW. even Lagos. and your life revolves round nairaland (a mere website)

for you coz you are a nobody and have nothing to offer. . These states have a very tiny middle class. They have no Ask your uncles about this. if any state in SE have more industries than Oyo & Ogun, tell me and I will hang myself. , noise every where. Google top biggest market. you take nairaland serious. [s]Or big time artisans. Their economy is sustained by civil servant who are hardly paid 'cos the govt has very poor igr base (except propaganda and fake stats)
now can you tell me where your theory of 'disposable income' is coming from?
Who has the income? Is it the ones fayose are sending to the east to come and learn? Is it the ones nema and winners are sending relief material in osun[/s]? Is it the ones in Your underdeveloped Ibadan have 2 shoprite (one is biggest in WA) the only cities that rival it is Lagos & PH, four African class mall, more highbrow estates and neighbourhood than any alaibo state. you won't believe it. that celebrate pizza shop with selfies?

american british or chinese expatriates and businessmen that are in nig. Does it mean that nig is richer than their countries? the rule of business is to make profit, profit and more profit! Every business seeks markets that are outside their immediate market. New markets are needed for products. It is only yoruba that get excited seeing foreigners in their land.

. is it not this same nairaland, your people were celebrating the first flyover in owerri?

arresa:
The answer is leadership.

1. We've had SE'ner regional premier. So tell us what the SE premier/Azikiwe did for the SE while Awolowo was building industrial estates from Ikeja industrial to Apapa industrial, Matori, Mushin, Ilupeju and Oluyole industrial.

These industrial estates are still the major industrial powerhouse in Nigeria today, they are still responsible for a major chunk of our industrial output, goods and services.

Today, Procter and Gamble, the worlds largest manufacturer of consumer products have major manufacturing plants in Nigeria. Lagos, Ogun and Oyo state.

The Lagos P&G plant is under construction in the same Ikeja industrial estate created by Awolowo many decades ago.

The Oyo state P&G plant was built Oluyole estate, the same industrial estate Awolowo built many decades ago.

Ogun state P&G plant was built and commissioned by Amosun recently.

These major plants and economic activities like countless others means taxes for the states involved, better jobs and opportunities which is again why people go to the SW for economic opportunities.


2. We've had SE'ner head of state. What did he do for SE? Nothing, in fact he terminated our regional government and sank us into the Federal mess we are in today.

3. We've had SE Vice president

SE Ministers

SE governors

SE ministers

SE senate leaders more than any other region

SE house speakers

SE Ambassadors

SE Sec to the FG

SE heads of Pam Secs

SE Agency director general

SE Managers

GEJ's admin was loaded by SE folks

SE sided with the government in power for 16 years

4. So please tell us what the SE gained from these advantages?

Obviously, SE leadership since day one lacked foresight and failed to lay the needed foundation for the future and today's leadership in SE are not any different.

Today, there's insecurity and unrest in the SE and we are yet to see the leaders from elders to traditional rulers to governors, elected officials in Abuja and socio groups intervene because of the economic negative side effects. Do you see P&G or any sane and prudent multinational investing 1 kobo in the SE?

The best comment have read so far in dis thread, tankQ for dis contributions.

VickJames:
as poor as osun state is, the igbo man you insult will still make millions there and buy your land there.

like the man who came to ilara mokin as just a trader and he has bought a land chunk of land there and doing thesame business which your people are now lazy to do "cocoa".

igbos do not wait for baba ijebu to make money, they use the poor and lazy yorubas to make their monies.

tell the chinese that they should stay in china and not travel around the world to make more money

Aufbauh:
Everyone will always love or hate something for a particular reason whether fictitious or real.
We should not also forget the fact that our happiness or otherwise is not dependable on anyone but ourselves. We can generate love or hate for something depending on our strategic positioning.
The Op maybe right in some cases but the factors he mentioned may not just be a sudden occurrences or conscious design to relegate others but a strategic positioning of the people.
The southeasterners cry of marginalisation in critical sectors of the government today is probably as a result of the foundation they have laid after the post civil war. Most of them were not interested in the civil service as they prefers private business and daily earnings.
I could remember when after my primary school in the eighties, most of our best student in the class who are Ibos decline to further and prefer to serve a master of trade.
They probably felt making money through the huddles of schooling is a long process even though they were brilliant in the classroom.
The mentality that the civil service is a slow process of progress as against the quick return from business has been ingrained in them, that is why a typical Ibo man will brag in the street that he don't the government to survive not knowing that the government decide policies and programs that determine the environment for his business.
In my region, the middle belt there's a consciousness and willingness to serve the government especially in the military or paramilitary and that is why in every 10 military or paramilitary men you see, you can count up to 6 or more as a middle beltan.
Those who choose to build a career with patience will always rise through the ranks.
The typical hausa-fulani man is political conscious and that is why they are always eager to know who governs them by participating more in the electioneering processes.
The yoruba is investment conscious, always thinking of what legacies he will bequeath his offspring and not competing against kinsmen and that is why they are patient in their dealings.
The Ibo man thinks of his immediate wealth and worth to showcase before peers and kins and that is why they are more concerned about daily turnover that will boost and build their immediate financial standing.

ideykwum:
How bigoted and dull can a person be? You make me ashamed of being a Nigerian!

No point responding to your tripe! People who make blanket assumptions from their narrow understanding often suffer from a silent malaise that is beyond rhetoric!

Sweetguy25:
You're not reasoning with me.

Igbos are good in exploiting and coordinating economic activities for a profit. Given that the south east is home to Igbos, it is expected the economy of the east has already been exploited by the Igbos to the best of their ability. Igbos who can't compete in the east are forced to exploit economies in other areas.
They don't migrate because the eastern economy is bad but because it is saturated and excessively competitive.

arresa:
And I'm saying how do you exploit what doesn't exist in the first place? There's never been any worthwhile or meaningful economic activities in the SE hence endless migration of several generations of SE folks to the SW and the North for economic survival.

This migration didn't start today, it started since day one.

The SE is still economically depressed today and it's even worse since decades after decades, investors refused to invest in that region for obvious reasons like what's going with destruction of life, properties, businesses and trucks owned by the Dangote.

And before you come back with any more of your misguided business argument, make sure you're ready to give samples or name at least 5 worthy businesses in the entire east..