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Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by MathsChic(f): 5:27am On Dec 11, 2015
IamLEGEND1:
The idea was never the issue. NL is a forum first and foremost and you wouldn't believe the number of decent threads derailed totally by 'E-warriors'.

So someone comes in,sees the back and forth between the 'warriors' and just leaves....as you would guess,that is bad for business. a lot of people's minds gets affected by what they read online and think what you may of them but they matter in the grand scheme of things.together,they are lots of traffic lost.

so i think the 'idea' has a very massive snowball effect on everything on here than most(all) of us might realize.
But why don't you just compare this with what twitter, Facebook, YouTube and other american social networking sites are doing. Isis sympathizers are never banned, suppressed, nor is their speech regulated. Nairaland's owner actually risks executing exactly what the senators are being accused of in their social media bill: silencing free speech.
I'm sure you were up in arms against the senators' idea as well.
Don't you think it would make sense for YouTube or Facebook to ban or regulate Isis and boko haram videos, or issue bans on users who declare support for their cause? But certainly, they wouldn't do that, as it amounts without doubt to opinion regulation, especially on such a massive and free platform as the internet.

We need to look at this carefully. Not just from what's good or bad for business, but for what's good or bad for freedom. The few people peddling rhetorics can always be banned. Speech regulation is no good thing.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 6:38am On Dec 11, 2015
ishiamu:
This Is not about biafra is about what is right, 2mao seun can wake up and ban another thing happening on this forum.. I have joined the band wagon on here agitating for biafra I only watch and go... so trying to silence some set of people cos of what lai mohammed or top political official told you is wrong... apc has compromised seun that's all
They do anything they like on NL.. ban u for any little tin.. Seun never consulted NLanders about this decision..
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by TonyeBarcanista(op): 6:49am On Dec 11, 2015
IamLEGEND1:
Well we're not allowed to type vàgina without it being censored,so I'll say we're way past that.

But seriously, The whole Biafra thing has been simmering on here for a while,with just a few quips here and there. Nothing major. See no one cared about what they did because they mostly stuck to benign methodologies.
Like I said earlier, Seun's Nairaland is part of the larger society. This is a Social Medium and it amount to irony for it to go against social justice. You and I may not agree with Biafra ideology but it doesn't justify gagging them.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by IamLEGEND1: 6:51am On Dec 11, 2015
MathsChic:
But why don't you just compare this with what twitter, Facebook, YouTube and other american social networking sites are doing. Isis sympathizers are never banned, suppressed, nor is their speech regulated. Nairaland's owner actually risks executing exactly what the senators are being accused of in their social media bill: silencing free speech.
I'm sure you were up in arms against the senators' idea as well.
Don't you think it would make sense for YouTube or Facebook to ban or regulate Isis and boko haram videos, or issue bans on users who declare support for their cause? But certainly, they wouldn't do that, as it amounts without doubt to opinion regulation, especially on such a massive and free platform as the internet.

We need to look at this carefully. Not just from what's good or bad for business, but for what's good or bad for freedom. The few people peddling rhetorics can always be banned. Speech regulation is no good thing.
[b] Actually, YouTube does ban users and regulate videos. you know about the whole katy Perry-dark horse video saga right?

some Muslim groups around the world took offence to a certain part of the video and started an online petition. the video was later removed,re-edited & then reuploaded.

the same goes for pórn videos,upload it on YouTube and you'll be banned, repeat it and ur IP address is going in the blacklist. And believe it or not,some people consider pōrn to be art.that's not even mentioning the tonnes of other random videos pulled down or re-edited by the regulators of those sites.

Call it whatever you may,but that is also an infringement on freedom of expression. Your right ends when you infringe on another individual's.

And I'll say they've infringed on a lot of people's rights here.

All things considered,I see ur point and I recognize the amoral nature of the situation.
.. But the truth is it is all a little too idealistic. Look at the champions of democracy:the U.S and the whole thing about monitoring of mobile phones,emails,webcams,laptops etc,that is like a Goliath of rights infringement compared to the tiny David here but a significant amount of US citizens don't care because they realize the necessity of it.
We live in a world choked full of grey areas and this is one of them,we have to learn to accept that.[/b]
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by TonyeBarcanista(op): 6:55am On Dec 11, 2015
PRYCE:
I was shocked when I read the updated rule yesterday!

I mean it's totally out of sorts to gag a particular ethnic group, prevent them from speaking out if they maligned simply because you own the medium with from which their voices are heard!

But then, Mr Seun behaves like the typical CEO who does the bidding of the 'board' with extreme prejudice not giving a damn about what the consumers think...

I think The Social Media Bill is Now in full effect... enforced not by the law but with threats!...

...And I'm curious as to what Lai Mohammed Told em last month; bloggers I mean!
Perhaps, he didn't make proper consultation.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 7:12am On Dec 11, 2015
Seun you better modify the rule N0 9 or else, what happened in 1677 might happen again. #advice not threat
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by IamLEGEND1: 7:15am On Dec 11, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
Like I said earlier, Seun's Nairaland is part of the larger society. This is a Social Medium and it amount to irony for it to go against social justice. You and I may not agree with Biafra ideology but it doesn't justify gagging them.
if you agree NL is part of a larger society then I think we deserve a little peace & quiet.

Seun took a proactive approach and it's left to the rest of the NL masses other than the biafra agitators to agree or disagree with his decision.

and I think we'll just agree to disagree on this one. grin

Cheers mate.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by ishiamu(m): 7:28am On Dec 11, 2015
Goodboiyy:
They do anything they like on NL.. ban u for any little tin.. Seun never consulted NLanders about this decision..
Typical buhari character, he shd flex the rules if it increase his bank papers
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by PRYCE(m): 7:31am On Dec 11, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
Perhaps, he didn't make proper consultation.
Perhaps!!!

Sorry bout my Distorted post... Was actually sleeping and writing! cool
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nature8(m): 7:33am On Dec 11, 2015
PRYCE:
I was shocked when I read the updated rule yesterday!

I mean it's totally out of sorts to gag a particular ethnic group, prevent them from speaking out if they maligned simply because you own the medium with from which their voices are heard!

But then, Mr Seun behaves like the typical CEO who does the bidding of the 'board' with extreme prejudice not giving a damn about what the consumers think...

I think The Social Media Bill is Now in full effect... enforced not by the law but with threats!...

...And I'm curious as to what Lai Mohammed Told em last month; bloggers I mean!
It’s unbelievable bro..
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by xpac01(m): 7:42am On Dec 11, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
Cc: Truckpusher Goodboiyy Vladimoros IzonOwei PrYCE


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My brother, are you a learned guy (Barrister) or just naturally wise.huh Your logic and reasoning so impressive.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by menesheh(m): 7:46am On Dec 11, 2015
IamLEGEND1:
And then there is something called 'Public disturbance'

and honestly,that shít is very annoying,not to mention,stale.

also, those people screaming 'Biafra' are mostly empty-headed vagabonds who know nothing about the inner workings of this country.

They aimlessly follow whatever their masters say and keep spamming this forum with pointless comments.
You've demonstrated that you are the vagabond and empty-headed fellow by using abusive wordings on people with different views on issues concerning them.

I can't imagine the kind of measuring tool to use to measure the jerky and absurdity level of this comment.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 8:09am On Dec 11, 2015
Truckpusher:
Infringement of the right to self determination by denying any group social justice whether perceived or not is not a right at all but highhandedness, just as the United Nations has no definition for who's a terrorist and who's not, after all another man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
NL owner got this one all wrong - His action should be condemned by all those who truly believe in democratic principles and not be clouded by overzealous sentiment masked with hate and bigotry.
Keep saying it as it is....always. And that's why you're my brother. The Owner messed up big time.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 8:13am On Dec 11, 2015
I'm not IBO but for once,the truth ought to be told.In my year 1 GST we were taught the constitution and I remember reading about
FREEDOM OF SPEECH
FREEDOM OF MOVEMENT
if the Ibos want to create their country,I think they should be given that opportunity.Let's look at it critically,The Ibos have lost so many of their brothers to the Boko haram insurgents.It pains them that they are not treated right by the present Administration and they feel cheated.They started a peaceful protest but the police and Army went and opened fire on them which has led to loss of many lives,And we preach "one love Nigeria".
Sorry to say,Nigeria has no love.This was not the Nigeria Nnamdi Azikwe,Obafemi Awolowo and the likes,fought for.The moderators are free to ban me since they are allergic to the truth
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by IamLEGEND1: 8:23am On Dec 11, 2015
menesheh:
You've demonstrated that you are the vagabond and empty-headed fellow by using abusive wordings on people with different views on issues concerning them.

I can't imagine the kind of measuring tool to use to measure the jerky and absurdity level of this comment.
Are you sure you can read and comprehend English?

I never insulted people who aren't against Pro-biafra campaigners on NL. I am simply against the vitriolic faction of the lot.

Comprends, Mon ami?
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 9:06am On Dec 11, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
Cc: Truckpusher Goodboiyy Vladimoros IzonOwei PrYCE


Typing
Get lost man, Biafrans don't need you to speak up for them.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 9:28am On Dec 11, 2015
yapapa:
shutup my friend, I have a very good Igbo friend I can die for without a second thought..and I'm not against the deluded ones among them agitating for Biafra..but they are not doing in the right way.all there comments around here are mostly filled with hate speeches to d brim, insulting other tribes (mostly Yoruba's) even when its uncalled for... or u wanna tell me u were two blind to see...you now ranting like a mad dog talking about mockery.my friend go sleep, abeg.
cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by NOBODYY: 9:29am On Dec 11, 2015
Seun if you bend to the wailings of biafrats We nigerians will also boycott ur forum!!
Make ur decision and stand by it!!
i thought they've threatened to leave..why complaining??!
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 9:31am On Dec 11, 2015
MathsChic:
I agree a 100%. You don't deprive people the right to express themselves, as long as they are not spewing hate.
just because of this one sentence, you quoted the whole episode, SMH
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 9:34am On Dec 11, 2015
Goodboiyy:
Tonye I think Seun need to apologize to igbos for that ash comment..
really? in your dreams
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 9:36am On Dec 11, 2015
TonyeBarcanista I concur. [size=14pt]WETHER SEUN OR MYND44 LIKES IT OR NOT, BIFRA WILL COME, PEACEFULLY. [/size]
I am not also from the east but the sun would still rise in the east.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 9:37am On Dec 11, 2015
thehorlufemi:
This is why Biafra should be banned

How can you wish a fellow human being death?

The level of hatred no be here.
can you imagine that
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by TonyeBarcanista(op): 9:38am On Dec 11, 2015
osedvgirl:
just because of this one sentence, you quoted the whole episode, SMH
Lovely waist you've got my lady
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 9:40am On Dec 11, 2015
ishiamu:
You a beast of no nation

A punkass modafucka
part of the reasons why rule 9 stands
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Kennywills7(m): 9:48am On Dec 11, 2015
I believe in One Nigeria and a more reform one at that, one that practices true federalism, am neither Igbo nor do i stand for or against the Biafra agitation but what am against is this latest rule by Seun
The rule is a clear discrimination against the Igbo(s) and against the Nigerian constitution and that of the UN
Everyone should be allow to voice their feelings as its their fundamental right, it is when they incite people against one another that it becomes a crime
and such cases incur penalties.
We must stand by the Truth at all times, trampling upon the rights of others freedom of expression is wrong and should be condemn by everyone.
Thanks for the unbiased write up @tonyebacarnista
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 9:50am On Dec 11, 2015
Truckpusher:
Infringement of the right to self determination by denying any group social justice whether perceived or not is not a right at all but highhandedness, just as the United Nations has no definition for who's a terrorist and who's not, after all another man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
NL owner got this one all wrong - His action should be condemned by all those who truly believe in democratic principles and not be clouded by overzealous sentiment masked with hate and bigotry.
..who is spreading hate and calling our Motherland a zoo? I don't get you? in any case goodmorning to you truckie
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by Nobody: 9:53am On Dec 11, 2015
TonyeBarcanista:
Lovely waist you've got my lady
Brother, you don loss be that ooooo
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by chumakk: 9:55am On Dec 11, 2015
The rule is not a good one.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by TonyeBarcanista(op): 10:04am On Dec 11, 2015
dearpreye:
Brother, you don loss be that ooooo
Bros abeg make I lost for that waist...
Good morning sir!
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by TonyeBarcanista(op): 10:10am On Dec 11, 2015
BlaqCoffee109:
..who is spreading hate and calling our Motherland a zoo? I don't get you? in any case goodmorning to you truckie
Truckpusher is simply saying that irrespective of our disagreement in opinion with promoters of Biafran State, we shouldn't employ the undemocratic tool of gagging their voice and aspiration. Allow people to speak their mind but censor vulgar/hate/inciteful content.
Re: Dear Seun, Your "Rule 9" Is Against Social Justice And Democratic Tenet by MathsChic(f): 10:15am On Dec 11, 2015
IamLEGEND1:
[b] Actually, YouTube does ban users and regulate videos. you know about the whole katy Perry-dark horse video saga right?

some Muslim groups around the world took offence to a certain part of the video and started an online petition. the video was later removed,re-edited & then reuploaded.

the same goes for pórn videos,upload it on YouTube and you'll be banned, repeat it and ur IP address is going in the blacklist. And believe it or not,some people consider pōrn to be art.that's not even mentioning the tonnes of other random videos pulled down or re-edited by the regulators of those sites.

Call it whatever you may,but that is also an infringement on freedom of expression. Your right ends when you infringe on another individual's.

And I'll say they've infringed on a lot of people's rights here.

All things considered,I see ur point and I recognize the amoral nature of the situation.
.. But the truth is it is all a little too idealistic. Look at the champions of democracy:the U.S and the whole thing about monitoring of mobile phones,emails,webcams,laptops etc,that is like a Goliath of rights infringement compared to the tiny David here but a significant amount of US citizens don't care because they realize the necessity of it.
We live in a world choked full of grey areas and this is one of them,we have to learn to accept that.[/b]
Certain things are a no-no on social media. P.orn is one of them. Of course, that should be regulated. So is racism. And every online discussion will surely have some elements of this, and thus should be regulated.

I understand your argument (and also like the way you argue, by the way), however I still don't accept that biafra talk should be outrightly banned. Of course, it can be regulated, with the spammers, trolls and haters warned or banned but not the subject itself, which is what Nairaland's owner has done.

Discussions about biafra, while it may awake passions and vitriol, is not in itself bad, nor should it be a no-no. That's just all am saying smiley

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