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Dongorgon5:
It's obvious Barca knowz the mumu button of chelsea........pedro is another fluke you sell to us for a good amount!!!
Barca shall reap what she sow ooo

Chestar5:
That moment when ur rivals turn to ur analyst, mehn chelsea ave suffered oh!

barackohandso:
Haba. So na so life be ? After we take am upon ourselves to fast and pray for una you still dey talk like this. Na now wey we don enter middle of the fast after bypassing different kinds of delicacies you come dey talk this one. Ok kontunu!

Nihilist:
This kind of thinking is just funny. Leicester are sitting pretty at top of the table and have the two hottest attackers in the league. Combined value counts for nothing...Leicester have to be given the respect they deserve. I don't think you watched Leicester v Arsenal earlier this season. Despite Arsenal passing the ball around sleekly given their better passers, Vardy still put 2 past them.

SIRcumalot:
Jose said he over-achieved with these set of players last season and maybe that is the bitter truth.
Seems like you want a complicated Tiki-Taka style but it looks like your guyz have forgotten how to play a relatively easy counter attacking football.
I still think it just a loss of form from all your key players,
willian can't be the best player on your team and you expect to challenge for a title.
Their is also nothing wrong with a defensive approach to the game Diego Simeone is in his 5th year with At.Madrid playing in this manner.

FBS:
Very Well said and I agree with you minus the eva thingy. She was there at the beginning of the season and they didnt play any better. Plus, isn't it pathetic that such professionals and handsomely paid so called footballers are playing like idi.oits just because a doctor was asked to leave?

They better get their acts together. The whole lot of them.

Griffon:
We have to be realistic about relegation.

I don't rate your club bare waste men empty drums making loud noise mere egoist sitting on stolen funds so I moved in & _fucked shiit up I am Jose Mourinho

sleekdot:
And you actually believe Chelsea overachieved by winning the league and crashing out of the CL second round?

if that was over-achievement. What would be a realistic achievement for a Chelsea with

Cortouis, Ivanovic, Terry, Azpi, Matic, Fabregas, Hazard, Willian, Oscar and Costa which even had Mata, Debruyne, Schurrle as dispensable.

Diego Simeone plays that way because he had Barca and Madrid ahead of him whose team are about 5 times more talented than him. Which team in the EPL is 3 times more talented than Chelsea? Is it Leicester or West Ham?

Chestar5:
That moment when ur rivals turn to ur analyst, mehn chelsea ave suffered oh!

Dhelake:
give simeone that Barca team and he will still play that same way

Give ath Madrid to Pep and he will surely play tiki-taka with that same team

Its solely based on each coach philosophy not on the team they are handling

SailorXY:
How? There's no Newcastle fan here na.

Chelseafan1:
I never see positives ni.... be like say god no ansa una prayers.

nateevs:
It is not funny thinking Nihilist. Combined value counts for all things mate because in most cases than not, this is the norm. Forget what is happening Leicester, their case is a grand anomaly. Let Leicester try this sh1t next season with the same squad quality and depth in the PL, CL, FA Cup and League Cup. They have to enter market and buy better players and bang! combined value goes up.

sleekdot:
And you actually believe Chelsea overachieved by winning the league and crashing out of the CL second round?

if that was over-achievement. What would be a realistic achievement for a Chelsea with

Cortouis, Ivanovic, Terry, Azpi, Matic, Fabregas, Hazard, Willian, Oscar and Costa which even had Mata, Debruyne, Schurrle as dispensable.

Diego Simeone plays that way because he had Barca and Madrid ahead of him whose team are about 5 times more talented than him. Which team in the EPL is 3 times more talented than Chelsea? Is it Leicester or West Ham?

Nihilist:
I think you are misunderstanding me. Of course Leicester's position is an anomaly, especially considering that the same team, with almost exactly the same squad narrowly escaped relegation last season...

But is it more of an anomaly than the situation we find ourselves in today - The defending champions...in a relegation battle? The PFA player of the year unable to score a single goal? The most miserly defence last season now busted wide open like a cheap ho after multiple trains?

Forget all that combined value stuff and focus on the koko on ground. We are not discussing the past or the future. We are discussing RIGHT NOW.

And Right Now Leicester are hot...and unfortunately we are not. There must be around 1 billion pound in team Value in the current top 4...and Leicester is still 2 points ahead of all of them.

SIRcumalot:
I was quoting jose,
You can see where I said it was all due to lack of form.
Simeone plays that same pattern in the UCL.
And that at.Madrid team contain some very fine players.

Dongorgon5:
Players to sell: Ivanovic,Mikel,Ramires,Oscar,Falcao, Baba Ramata and lastly Cahill
Arsenal,man utd,liverpool,Man city,Juve,Barca.
You're free to sign any of these useless player.

sleekdot:
So you are suggesting you play defensive vs Leicester?

1. Chelsea needed the win more than Leicester did. So if you play out a 0-0 game its all good from the Leicester POV.

2. Chelsea had more talents on their team than Leicester does and a draw or bus park would be bad press for a multi million dollar side

sleekdot:
Depending on who they play in the CL. Atletico side based on their cost and quality of players are still not a top 5 CL side. Maybe struggle to top 10 side in the CL Clubs Like madrid, Barca, Bayern, Juve, PSG all 4 EPL clubs still have better finances than Atletico and in most cases better football talents

So Simeone needs to come up with a pattern that would make them competitive
CL possesion stats for this season

SIRcumalot:
You keep looking at at.madrid as an underdog and they're not outside of the clear top 3 the rest of the spot is up for grabs.
Am not one for pulling stats but am almost sure came since At.Madrid came from europa they've been better than PSG, definitely better than juventus.
And they're probably the third highest spender in their league.
Let see how that stat hold up when they start playing quality teams.

Nihilist:
1.I've already explained ad nauseum why I felt parking the bus and playing on the counter was the best way to go...a 0-0 would have been great from our point of view as well. I don't know if it's the same in Germany, but here in England, 1 point is better than no points

2.Chelsea has more big names on their teamsheet...at this point the levels of talent is debatable. This is the exact same thinking that Mourinho warned about when he said this:

"I don't think in this moment the players can feel they are top players. Or they are superstars. In this moment they have to be humble, they have to look to Leicester boys and feel these are the stars, these are the top players. They have to look to them and be humble. They have to look to Sundelrand next weekend, and to Watford in two weeks' time and say, 'Hey we are at the same level as you are, I am not the superstar, not the player of season, not the world champion, not the Premier League champion. In this moment I am at your level."

I-get-am-before no be trophy. Right now we have a multiple league, UCL, European and World Champion in Pedro...who is playing worse than his junior at Barca in Deulofeu. Diego Costa is a Multiple league winner and UCL finalist, with chart topping experience in goalscoring....cant even compete with Odion Ighalo from Ajegunle. PFA player of the year and onetime projected WPOTY in Hazard has been blown out the water by Riyad Mahrez

I be king before mentality is definitely not needed from those players....and that's why I advocated a more pragmatic approach vs the current League Toppers.

Nihilist:
1.I've already explained ad nauseum why I felt parking the bus and playing on the counter was the best way to go...a 0-0 would have been great from our point of view as well. I don't know if it's the same in Germany, but here in England, 1 point is better than no points

2.Chelsea has more big names on their teamsheet...at this point the levels of talent is debatable. This is the exact same thinking that Mourinho warned about when he said this:

"I don't think in this moment the players can feel they are top players. Or they are superstars. In this moment they have to be humble, they have to look to Leicester boys and feel these are the stars, these are the top players. They have to look to them and be humble. They have to look to Sundelrand next weekend, and to Watford in two weeks' time and say, 'Hey we are at the same level as you are, I am not the superstar, not the player of season, not the world champion, not the Premier League champion. In this moment I am at your level."

I-get-am-before no be trophy. Right now we have a multiple league, UCL, European and World Champion in Pedro...who is playing worse than his junior at Barca in Deulofeu. Diego Costa is a Multiple league winner and UCL finalist, with chart topping experience in goalscoring....cant even compete with Odion Ighalo from Ajegunle. PFA player of the year and onetime projected WPOTY in Hazard has been blown out the water by Riyad Mahrez

I be king before mentality is definitely not needed from those players....and that's why I advocated a more pragmatic approach vs the current League Toppers.

sleekdot:
Atletico Madrid is not an underdog because of their coach and tactics they play. Every season someone takes away their top players yet they still come back. Isnt that an indication that its the tactics? Based on the players and finances they shouldnt be anywhere near top 3 in Europe. maybe top 7. They are top 3 spenders in their league but in Europe they might not even be top 10. I saw a report of Europe richest clubs and they didnt even make top 15

Its like saying Leicester this season compared to other EPL clubs. Based on their finances and quality of players they should be struggling to make top 10. but today they are tops

The stat is to show you that Atletico Madrid plays on the counter vs select sides only. This season for example only 4 sides hold more possesion than Atletico in the Champions league

SIRcumalot:
And they also prey on other teams they got greizman from sociedad and martinez from porto.mandzukic wasn't working out so they let him walk to "juventus" for small moni.
I think am losing the thread of this discussion.
At Madrid is up their with the best of them based on their steady performance in the UCL, finance is important but it isn't the most important factor. Dortmund,juve and At.Madrid all made the UCL final on modest budget.
Seeing their easy UCL group and the difference in quality one can understand.

And you actually believe Chelsea overachieved by winning the league and crashing out of the CL second round?

if that was over-achievement. What would be a realistic achievement for a Chelsea with

Cortouis, Ivanovic, Terry, Azpi, Matic, Fabregas, Hazard, Willian, Oscar and Costa which even had Mata, Debruyne, Schurrle as dispensable.

Diego Simeone plays that way because he had Barca and Madrid ahead of him whose team are about 5 times more talented than him. Which team in the EPL is 3 times more talented than Chelsea? Is it Leicester or West Ham?

sleekdot:
No one would doubt that Atletico is up there in terms of performance. But my points are

1. They are overperforming with their players and budget when you consider other teams in Europe who have more money and better players because of the Simeone tactics

2. Atletico plays counter attacks only in select games, when they meet teams lesser they usually dominate possesion and this season stats show they are top 5 possesion team in the CL

And my initial post about Chelsea overachieving last season which you havent responded to below

SIRcumalot:
I agree with 1 and 2

But I did respond,
I told you I was quoting jose and directed you to that same post where I said that I believe the problem is key players losing form.

sleekdot:
I thought in the post you quoted Jose you agreed it might be the "bitter truth"

Which is why I said its a lie. Jose just said that as a flimsy excuse. its like if Man utd or City should win the EPL now with this squad and crash out of CL second round to 10 men opponent say they overachieved

sleekdot:
I thought in the post you quoted Jose you agreed it might be the "bitter truth"

Which is why I said its a lie. Jose just said that as a flimsy excuse. its like if Man utd or City should win the EPL now with this squad and crash out of CL second round to 10 men opponent say they overachieved

Nihilist:
Jose is media savvy...he picks his words wisely for maximum impact...but what he said might have a ring of truth to it.

John Terry was co-presenting with Jamie Redknapp for the Manyoo-Bournemouth game and they reviewed the corner that led to the Cherries goal.

It was an incredibly complex movement that you would never spot if you didn't know what you were looking for.

It involved one guy making a run to clear space, and another one who looked like he was marking the keeper quickly running to told fellaini before Josh King ran in to swipe the ball.

They even identified the signal the corner taker made to initiate the move.

Then John Terry said that Jose had made the boys aware of that particular move and that they spent 3 days practicing against it. That kind attention to detail is mental.

Jose on Monday stated that he had identified 4 passages of play that Leicester usually score from and the boys had practiced against them.

According to Jose, the 2 goals conceded came from moves he had identified and coached the team against. How do you explain that?

I'm too sure that these boys are not sticking to the script. I'm just not sure why. And that's why he may not be completely lying by claiming he overachieved with these lads...