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Debroslink:
From 42 goals, it dropped to 18 league goals the following season before he finally joined Madrid shows that he lacked motivation. His rivalry with Messi has however not diminished for the past 6 years or so, and if he scores 42 goals this season, it would be regarded as a failure.

I still insist that Messi made Ronaldo a better player; not Fergie.

hariorh:
Does it mean their work at developing players is one off or just a fluke? Or does it mean player development has more to do with the player than the coach?


I leave you with the rest

A40:
Of course Pep made Messi a better player. Why would anyone even argue this? Will you say Dr Dre did not make Eminem because Truth Hurts or The Firm didn't blow under him

coded01:
Both Fergie n Messi had a hand in his progress as a Selfish scorer...


End of story

TheGoodJoe:

You are a mind reader. It is the same argument I just had the other day. Mikel was a Man utd fan, trained at Old Trafford and Ferguson saw his brilliance.

The midfield was free for him and with Ferguson's guidance, we would have had another Scholes. I am still hunting for Nigeria vs Argentina 2005 finals. Mikel was pure class.

He did not have someone to guide and nurture him. That is a big part of great players.

Henry flopped at Juventus. Under Arsene Wenger, he became one of the best of all time.

It takes more than talent.

dmcdad:
You ehn...

coded01:
I lie ni...


I would honorably accept one's analysis if I am convinced...


It's not a do or die affair...

hariorh:
You guys are making it seem like there's one hidden ritual involved in whipping up world bests by managers.

All they do is note particular talents and point them in a direction. Everything else from there is dependent on the player's individual development.


If this is still so hard to comprehend then you guys should start questioning the schools that issued you certificates o

coded01:
Dayo!

You get time...

It's time for dinner... Go n eat...

Thank you!

hariorh:
What about Nani. He was to be another Ronaldo in the making. Did Fergie's golden touch become impotent on him?

Anderson too? The much touted Ronaldinho replacement

coded01:
You like wahala...

Go n eat dayo...

TheGoodJoe:

You are a mind reader. It is the same argument I just had the other day. Mikel was a Man utd fan, trained at Old Trafford and Ferguson saw his brilliance.

The midfield was free for him and with Ferguson's guidance, we would have had another Scholes. I am still hunting for Nigeria vs Argentina 2005 finals. Mikel was pure class.

He did not have someone to guide and nurture him. That is a big part of great players.

Henry flopped at Juventus. Under Arsene Wenger, he became one of the best of all time.

It takes more than talent.

raumdeuter:
I can see that thegoodjoe nateevs and eruditor are setting the record straight already

Some people think a coach doesnt influence your play and what you achieve? I can bet that Mikel would have been a better player under a different coach

SIRcumalot:
Firstly,because Mikel didn't live up to how you have built him up in your head isn't mikel's fault it yours, I suppose it is SAF man utd where many african players pick pine from that backside and cheer on their oyinbo mates is where Mikel will become the saviour of nigerian football.
Also I laugh at henry flopping at juve after 15 games when the arsenal move was a reunion between Wenger and henry.

raumdeuter:
Lol na my wahala pursue mourinho

Na my wahala cause Hazard to play rubbish

So let me continue till chelsea go relegation

TheGoodJoe:
Please, I know about Henry and Arsene Wenger at Monaco. I also know about Henry under Jean Tigana in the squad that had Trezeguet and Ikpeba.

Henry flopped at Juventus.

As for Mikel, he was amazing as a youngster. Ferguson had interest in Mikel and flew to Norway to convince Mikel to join Man Utd. The space was there in midfield. The place Carrick took.

So all those African talk does not hold here because Ferguson valued Mikel.

SIRcumalot:
Playing 15 games in a new club,and country is a sufficient enough sample size to determine if a player na bust ?
Of course they matter because you're saying if Mikel was a man utd player is career would be different I just told you a very plausible career trajectory for our guy.

coded01:


But no matter how much you prove others wrong... The more they believe in their "stories"...

TheGoodJoe:
Mikel Obi and Anderson played two different styles. There is no way you can use Anderson's career to make it the same trajectory as Mikel.

Remember, Anderson suffered Multiple injuries that slowed his progress.

SIRcumalot:
Two attacking midfielders that where told to play deeper by their managers ?
Why should I not make the comparison again ?

raumdeuter:
harior, spy360, debroslink

Did Wenger make Henry the player he is? Or was he destined for greatness regardless

raumdeuter:
before Pep Messi was deployed on the wings, Pep made him the false 9 and his output increased immediately

Before Pep the highest goals in a season for Messi was 17

Immediately Pep joined Messi scored 38. Thats more than double

The next season it went to 47, then 53 then 73 All under Pep

Its clear to a blind man that Pep became the goal scoring machine he was under Pep due to the tactical change that was made to favour him

Hazard/Memphis/Martial are currently deployed as winger, If a coach comes, makes them focal points, play them as false 9 and turn them into scoring 38, 43 54 and 73 within the next few season making him win multiple Ballon D or and undisputedly the best player of his generation would it be wrong to say that coach made Memphis/Martial/Hazard

Bimffo:
Lol. Can't believe I just read 4 pages of total crap. . I thought Hazard, Costa and Fabregas have been sacked when I logged in

Dayo can turn anything into an argument. I respect him for that.

dmcdad:
Airmark comes to mind.

He had become obsessed with the fact an old Porto contact told him that his former club knew of his plans to drop Cesc Fabregas before last week's vital Champions League match at Stamford Bridge.
Chelsea won the game, but Mourinho was convinced he had at least one player in his squad working against him and it was not the first time this season the 52-year-old felt information was being leaked, whether on purpose or by accident.

homesteady:
Everywhere Mourinho is, he must always accuse someone of leaking out info! In Madrid it was Casillas.

Bimffo:
Lol. Can't believe I just read 4 pages of total crap. . I thought Hazard, Costa and Fabregas have been sacked when I logged in

Dayo can turn anything into an argument. I respect him for that.

diggz:
Shiorrr...God abeg o...!

Na Chelseafan1 make this we thread no rest at all....

Hope we all can move on since MOU is no longer with us.

Meanwhile,I no know as I wan use watch we matches with fcvks like diegoat Costa,useless hazard and fab still wearing the blue jersey

I hope they kontinu with the bonanza sha....!

Oloriburuku players .....