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I see how many people didn't spot how Dayo lied about pep selling Barcelona's best player when he arrived when messi had just come 2nd in the Ballon'd or
For all those that keep scores, here's one for the records


Even though I agree that trying to play down pep's role in messi's development is very unfair
That lie shouldn't go unrecorded


We can as well just agree that coaches don't influence player development trajectories

nateevs:
I can tell you confidently that Messi would not have been this Messi under Jose Mourinho. He would have had to track back to the 18 yard box to help his defender every 2 mins, been shouted at when not seen making 10 sliding tackles per game, he would have been playing in front of a right-footed left-back or a left-footed right-back and will need to sprint 80 yards to the opposition goal every 5 mins, to register a shot on goal.

So yes, it can be said Pep's use of Messi, made Messi into the player he is today.

Lol, Just Lol

Ronaldo started scoring 50+ goals per season under Mourinho

Even if u hate Jose ... All this rubbish you put up doesn't change anything

Ronaldo had his highest ever goal scoring season under Jose by playing in front of a right footed left back as you have asserted , by making 10 sliding tackles per game .

Mourinho is to blame for Mikel career wreck but Fergie is not to blame for Anderson's right?

BTW, I am still waiting for Pep to help the German Messi (Gotze) fulfill his potential, at least, he doesn't have to play in front of a right footed left back

Dhelake there are holes in your replies
First Ronaldo under Mourinho was no longer a budding youngster
The argument is that Mourinho would not have been able to develop him had they crossed paths before he became the world's best
Your reply to this doesn't do justice to the claim

On the Anderson issue, he did play some fine football for United and one can point to injuries as one of the reasons for his career not going as expected..
His case doesn't exactly align with mikel's

diggz:
Shiorrr...God abeg o...!

Na Chelseafan1 make this we thread no rest at all....

Hope we all can move on since MOU is no longer with us.

Meanwhile,I no know as I wan use watch we matches with fcvks like Diegoat Costa, useless Hidden Ikebe and Fab (Obinrin) still wearing the blue jersey

I hope they kontinu with the bonanza sha....!

Oloriburuku players .....

Fixed!

Chelseafan1:
Na me make Dayo and co dey argue who made Messi and Ronaldo in the past 4 pages or so abi??

O da wipe ori e tin yi.

Dhelake:
Mourinho is to blame for Mikel career wreck but Fergie is not to blame for Anderson's right?

BTW, I am still waiting for Pep to help the German Messi (Gotze) fulfill his potential, at least, he doesn't have to play in front of a right footed left back

Hehehehehehehehehe

SIRcumalot:
Whether Mikel isn't living up to his potential is left to mikel I suppose in moment of doubt he'll look at his trophy cabinet and comot such notion from his head.
Brazillian anderson was arguably a bigger star that Mikel in youth football and what happened when he joined us ? Is he a better player than Mikel now ?
Some players owe their sucess to Pep. Busquets,thiago and Pedro comes to mind, Messi isn't one of them

Lies. WYC 05 Messi, Mikel and Taiye Taiwo. All 3 are supposed to be age mates. Only Messi goes on to prove his worth.

PietroRico:
I see how many people didn't spot how Dayo lied about pep selling Barcelona's best player when he arrived when messi had just come 2nd in the Ballon'd or
For all those that keep scores, here's one for the records


Even though I agree that trying to play down pep's role in messi's development is very unfair
That lie shouldn't go unrecorded


We can as well just agree that coaches don't influence player development trajectories

Neymar is Barca's best player this season. But ofcourse Messi is still the overall best player in Barcelona. I am sure you know the difference or I can break it down for you.

Willian is CFCs best player this season but Hazard is the overall best player for CFC.

Dhelake:
Lol, Just Lol

Ronaldo started scoring 50+ goals per season under Mourinho

Even if u hate Jose ... All this rubbish you put up doesn't change anything

Ronaldo had his highest ever goal scoring season under Jose by playing in front of a right footed left back as you have asserted , by making 10 sliding tackles per game .

CR7 had his best scoring season under Carlo Ancelotti. CR7 praised Carlo during his Ballon'dor acceptance speech by subtly acknowledging how Carlo helped him win it. But kiss Mou's ar$e because that's what we are here for.

PietroRico:
I see how many people didn't spot how Dayo lied about pep selling Barcelona's best player when he arrived when messi had just come 2nd in the Ballon'd or
For all those that keep scores, here's one for the records


Even though I agree that trying to play down pep's role in messi's development is very unfair
That lie shouldn't go unrecorded


We can as well just agree that coaches don't influence player development trajectories

Devil is the father of all Liars,DAYO is the grandfather

Dhelake:
Mourinho is to blame for Mikel career wreck but Fergie is not to blame for Anderson's right?

BTW, I am still waiting for Pep to help the German Messi (Gotze) fulfill his potential, at least, he doesn't have to play in front of a right footed left back

Because every superstar thrives under every manager Including KDB and Sturridge or wait...those ones don't have enough greatness within them to thrive under Onigbinde.

In other news Chelsea fans have completely destroyed Eden Hazard on instagram.......

Messi was injury prone pre PEP, how come he suddenly became a strong guy?

Danhumprey:
i am still eagerly waiting to read what ibime and griffon has got to say on this issue ooooo!

As much as I feel it was the right decision, I still feel sorry for Mou because as talented as he his, I fear his arrogance and petulant nature will always get him into trouble and make him lose more respect. From the Caneiro's row to some baffling tactical calls, it was quite clear Jose was asking for a sack. I wish him well though.

We have a very good record of winning a trophy after sacking the manager. Only Avram Grant didn't win any but took us to our 1st CL final. So I am not too worried.

Chelseafan1:
Na me make Dayo and co dey argue who made Messi and Ronaldo in the past 4 pages or so abi??

O da wipe ori e tin yi.

No be u dey busy dey form ogbonge pundit with yeye talk wey lead to ur daddies showing face for here ...?

O da wipe ori Baba e tin yi ....

Dhelake:
Lol, Just Lol

Ronaldo started scoring 50+ goals per season under Mourinho

Even if u hate Jose ... All this rubbish you put up doesn't change anything

Ronaldo had his highest ever goal scoring season under Jose by playing in front of a right footed left back as you have asserted , by making 10 sliding tackles per game .

Alhaji, please review and understand the context of the argument before you begin dey foam for mouth.

You will need extra-terrestrial deliverance if any part of you thinks that Messi, an unfinished youngster at the Chelsea's academy, who loved to eat meat, party with the Brazilians, who displayed a lackadaisical attitude towards training, watched Argentinian matches till late at nights and showed generally, an insipid attitude towards professionalism would have had Jose take him under his wings, have patience with him, show him what good is from bad, vow not to loan him out, review videos with him in one-on-one sessions, give him 51 games and not just that, give him 51 games in one season outside a tactical straight-jacket.


You are comparing this scenario to one of Ronaldo who had already scored 42 goals (3 seasons before he met Jose) in the world's most competitive league and was already WPOTY.


Alhaji abeg. You either don't know JM very well or as the others, you belittle the immense influence of Pep's off-field and on-field actions towards Messi's greatness.

Griffon:
As much as I feel it was the right decision, I still feel sorry for Mou because as talented as he his, I fear his arrogance and petulant nature will always get him into trouble and make him lose more respect. From the Caneiro's row to some baffling tactical calls, it was quite clear Jose was asking for a sack. I wish him well though.

We have a very good record of winning a trophy after sacking the manager. Only Avram Grant didn't win any but took us to our 1st CL final. So I am not too worried.

God bless you Lacer. Some yobs on Twitter saying something like "I would have preferred Chelsea gets relegated with JM than let him go . . . ."
Seriously?

I won't watch those fvking useless player today!!!
My passion for chelsea is dead

Dongorgon5:
I won't watch those fvking useless player today!!!
My passion for chelsea is dead

lyk who cares

Chestar5:
lyk who cares

Then why did you quote me
Stay on your Lane Biiitch

Dongorgon5:
Then why did you quote me
Stay on your Lane Biiitch

Mate, tone down the tension and review your use of language or we get you out of here ASAP.

Eruditor:
CR7 had his best scoring season under Carlo Ancelotti. CR7 praised Carlo during his Ballon'dor acceptance speech by subtly acknowledging how Carlo helped him win it. But kiss Mou's ar$e because that's what we are here for.

Lol ... Bring the stats to prove me wrong.

Griffon:
As much as I feel it was the right decision, I still feel sorry for Mou because as talented as he his, I fear his arrogance and petulant nature will always get him into trouble and make him lose more respect. From the Caneiro's row to some baffling tactical calls, it was quite clear Jose was asking for a sack. I wish him well though.

We have a very good record of winning a trophy after sacking the manager. Only Avram Grant didn't win any but took us to our 1st CL final. So I am not too worried.

We will surely end well

PietroRico:
I see how many people didn't spot how Dayo lied about pep selling Barcelona's best player when he arrived when messi had just come 2nd in the Ballon'd or
For all those that keep scores, here's one for the records


Even though I agree that trying to play down pep's role in messi's development is very unfair
That lie shouldn't go unrecorded


We can as well just agree that coaches don't influence player development trajectories

You dey mind Dayo
That was how he said Porto were the portuguese liga defending champion when Jose when Jose took over

Eruditor:
Lies. WYC 05 Messi, Mikel and Taiye Taiwo. All 3 are supposed to be age mates. Only Messi goes on to prove his worth.

So a starter in chelsea through the title and UCL run is an unfulfilled potential
Matic started as an attacking midfield and now playing more defensively he must be crying himself to sleep over unproven potential.
Am surprise you guyz aren't crediting Pep for Iniesta ?

E never reach like that na. Na she be the players wey dey give you sleepless nights?

Dongorgon5:
Then why did you quote me
Stay on your Lane Biiitch

SIRcumalot:
So a starter in chelsea through the title and UCL run is an unfulfilled potential
Matic started as an attacking midfield and now playing more defensively he must be crying himself to sleep over unproven potential.
Am surprise you guyz aren't crediting Pep for Iniesta ?

Don't mind these people

They failed to realise everything boils down to the individual himself

Schweinsteiger started out as an AM even played that role at the 2006 world cup, played on the wings as well and he did quite well

He later got converted to a DM/CM and it hasn't affect his football one bit he grew to be one of the best in the said role.

Spy360:
Over the years many players have either been discovered or 'formed' by managers. For example, Jose brought the best out of Drogba, he also was responsible in forming Mikel into the DM he is today.

Wenger formed Henry into the prolific goal scorer he was. Take a look at Ramsey, even his 'over passing' is a Wenger trait.

But for Messi, I wouldn't attribute his formation to any manager. Messi has greatness in his DNA. Give Messi to Amodu Shuaibu and he will still be world best.
You must also realised that Messi was already known to the football world before he made his first appearance for Barca.

Even Michael Jordan owes his greatness to someone how much more Messi? Amodu ke? You should not downplay the role of coaching and a system of play on how it improves a player's efficiency. Ask yourself why Messi does not harbour any real interest of playing for any other club despite achieving everything with Barca. You think its mere loyalty? Think again

Eruditor:
Neymar is Barca's best player this season. But ofcourse Messi is still the overall best player in Barcelona. I am sure you know the difference or I can break it down for you.

Willian is CFCs best player this season but Hazard is the overall best player for CFC.

your analogy is giving me a migraine trying to wrap my head around it

It doesn't make sense...
As at when pep got appointed it was already clear who the best player was
Anyone trying to allude it to someone other than messi is just playing some mental gymnastics

How many players even started their career as a defender?
No be "drimbler" and goalscorer every body wan become?

SIRcumalot:
So a starter in chelsea through the title and UCL run is an unfulfilled potential
Matic started as an attacking midfield and now playing more defensively he must be crying himself to sleep over unproven potential.
Am surprise you guyz aren't crediting Pep for Iniesta ?

Pep's system definitely brought out the best in Xavi and Iniesta