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nynbrada:
Lmao.

............you really got them here.

L Lz

CoolUsername:
What I'm saying still stands, all creationists do is shift the goal posts. [size=20pt]There's no evidence that anything supernatural exists.[/size] Your holy book has scientific and historical errors coupled with questionable morality, think about it. If you weren't a christian and someone was telling you that people were living up till 700 years won't it be ridiculous?

If you want to rule your life with the Bible then you should pack up and go to the plantations because it endorses slavery.

I take a more pragmatic approach when discussing the supernatural . Most of the stories pertaining the supernatural have been scrutinized and only assumptions are the conclusions .

"What if ... " , "Assuming ... " , "Maybe it is ..." - all I get then the usual the supernatural does not exist balderdash

Or any one wey pass Dalaman's understanding , he'll blatantly accuse you of lying . You guys build your unbelief on assumptions . Tell me EXACTLY what happened .

"It could be ... " , "I think ... "

"This is 2015 " is the dumbest response I've gotten

Anyways you all have no knowledge of what you dont know exists .

KingEbukasBlog:
I take a more pragmatic approach when discussing the supernatural . Most of the stories pertaining the supernatural have been scrutinized and only assumptions are the conclusions .

"What if ... " , "Assuming ... " , "Maybe it is ..." - all I get then the usual the supernatural does not exist balderdash

Or any one wey pass Dalaman's understanding , he'll blatantly accuse you of lying . You guys build your unbelief on assumptions . Tell me EXACTLY what happened .

"It could be ... " , "I think ... "

"This is 2015 " is the dumbest response I've gotten

Anyways you all have no knowledge of what you dont know exists .

We say stuff like that because you can't say anything for sure without a lot of evidence.

But the thing that really grinds my gears is when people say 'it must be this or that' just 'cause we don't know.
The critical thinker is like 'it could've been done like this..'. That's because he is using the minimal data offered to him by a video or story which aren't immune to manipulation.

The blind believer is like 'ayy! Critical-thinking-guy can't explain it, it MUST be this.

But you tend to forget that whenever such tricks are thoroughly investigated, the secret is always revealed and the results can be replicated.

gatiano:
No, I didn't write it, I got from a Basotho Elder. Ever since I came in contact with the reality of ourselves as Black people, I had always hunt for the knowledge. I get which ever I can get online, through books or blog and with those I meet some personally.
You'd be surprised where most of our self and true education come from.

Do you recall that all children between the ages of 3 and 8 to almost 10 are always brilliant? Then suddenly at their secondary education through the class 3(Jss 3) they just become dull, stubborn and just appear to be angry all the time.

From the age of birth till age 7, All children only learn things according to their own reality. They never take in nothing other than that which they've self-percieved.
But they were taught 1+1=2 in school, Yes and they saw it in reality like that. 1 tomato + another 1 tomato= 2 tomato according to childrens' perception but 2 tomatoes to indoctrinated adult.

A child goes to the bar beach and couldn't see the end, he/she already knows something is not right but would never conclude that it is round simply because he/she didn't see it.
Children are a wonderful, brilliant scientists, and their curiousity is of the outmost marvel. Their sense of touch, taste, sound, colour perception, sight, feelings is a 100%. They eat only when hungry(they call for food, and if not enforced). But there are no words yet to quantify all that they see and do(evidence of the first language which is speechless).
Then suddenly between the ages of 7 and 9, when they are ready to gather information externally, What do we feed their brains? this is where the jam is caused.

Why did I write this that you didn't ask for? I wrote it because it is a source of learning "The saying remember who you are" Age from conception till age 7 to 9 is your/our natural personality. We can learn an endless knowledge from the info/datas we had gathered at those times- It is a source of knowledge.

The non-blacks had already attacking that long ago, why? It turns out that only Black children are capable of this magnificent observation.

http://zulumathabo.com/
That is the link to the Basotho wisdom, from where I got the story, which is actually a reality.

No, I don't recall all 7 year olds being intelligent. There were slow students back when I was in primary 1, 2, and 3.

Your reasoning here is wrong.

And kinda racist.

CoolUsername:
We say stuff like that because you can't say anything for sure without a lot of evidence.

Hehe ... But you have ruled out the possibility of a creator being the cause of the big bang seeing there is no evidence supporting such .

[size=20pt]But the thing that really grinds my gears is when people say 'it must be this or that' just 'cause we don't know.[/size]
The critical thinker is like 'it could've been done like this..'. That's because he is using the minimal data offered to him by a video or story which aren't immune to manipulation.

Its a video from a village masquerade ceremony .

@ Enlarged words . You became an atheist by declaring the certainty of a creator's non existence seeing that man has very little knowledge of the cause of the big bang even the universe . Most scientific origins are more of assumptions than certainties but you already reached the conclusion that God does not exist .

A big LOL for you brother

Atheism is not critical thinking . Has never been , is not , and will never be .

CoolUsername:
No, I don't recall all 7 year olds being intelligent. There were slow students back when I was in primary 1, 2, and 3.

Your reasoning here is wrong.

And kinda racist.

Blacks are better sportspeople ... is that racist ?

KingEbukasBlog:
Blacks are better sportspeople ... is that racist ?

Depends on the sport, tho.

KingEbukasBlog:
Hehe ... But you have ruled out the possibility of a creator being the cause of the big bang seeing there is no evidence supporting such .

Falsehood again. I always said that there is a possibility of a creator. The evidence science finds will determine our next course of research.

KingEbukasBlog:
Its a video from a village masquerade ceremony .

I haven't watched the video, dude.

KingEbukasBlog:
@ Enlarged words . You became an atheist by declaring the certainty of a creator's non existence seeing that man has very little knowledge of the cause of the big bang even the universe . Most scientific origins are more of assumptions than certainties but you already reached the conclusion that God does not exist .

A big LOL for you brother

Atheism is not critical thinking . Has never been , is not , and will never be .

Wow! You know why I became an atheist, are like, psychic? /s

No, dude; I have painstakingly explained time and time again that I'm an AGNOSTIC ATHEIST. This means that I don't and won't believe that a god or gods exist until there is empirical evidence to support the claim.

I get my evidence from the scientific method, you get yours from a 2000 year old book that started as oral tradition, then written, translated, translated again, compiled, edited and then translated again before you read it.

CoolUsername:
Depends on the sport, tho.

No I meant is the statement "Black people are sportspeople" racist

CoolUsername:
I get my evidence from the scientific method, you get yours from a 2000 year old book that started as oral tradition, then written, translated, translated again, compiled, edited and then translated again before you read it.

You downplay the spiritual importance - where you missed it totally .

KingEbukasBlog:


No I meant is the statement "Black people are sportspeople" racist

Yes. Especially without reliable citation.

CoolUsername:
Yes. Especially without reliable citation.

No it isn't . Blacks are actually better

You did not read my last line completely, You only took what felt racist to you because of your sympathy for them.

I wrote and I quote it again "The non-blacks had already attacking that long ago, why?" which I anwered " It turns out that only Black children are capable of this magnificent observation."

Have you seen the latest CDC investigation in the united states, They vaccinating Black children, especially Black male with a high dosage of mercury.
Don't they vaccinate all of us too in Africa? What about the polio vaccination in the North, doing more worst than good, bill gate would be arrested whenever he enters India for questioning, he's been killing indians with his vaccination project.

What about the birth procedure? Do you know how African people birth a baby? The woman stands, opening her legs, She never doesn't have to push, The baby comes out pushing himself/herself out. That is how sporty we were from birth. The light skin/non-blacks babies can't push themselves out, thus their mother had to push. Since Black people love to copy the light races they do the same. If they were to revert back to the old ways of giving birth, it will be quiet impossible because the blackwoman's body is not what it used to be, and also the blackman's body.

When a white baby is born, he comes out cold, all stressed out, they immidiately put that baby under a blue light oven. The Black baby has heat coming out, All he needs is his mother's and father's chest to lie on to get the proper warmth.

What about the the compounds in the breast milk as compared to formula food- the colostrum, antibodies, protein, carbohydrates, fatty-acids, vitamins and minerals. They are all natural from the mother's breast. colostrum and antibodies is not even present in the cerelac/nutriend food formula. The proteins are directly from pork meat (most poisonous food in life), the glucose that is pure sugar(diabetes) and other minerals that is difficult to absorb by a grown person howmuch less a baby.

What the feeding habit of the nursing mother? That alone is disastrous.

Revelations 12 made clear the prophesy.
12:2 And she was with child; and she gave a cry, in the pains of childbirth.
12:3 And there was seen another sign in heaven; a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven crowns.
12:4 And his tail was pulling a third part of the stars of heaven down to the earth, and the dragon took his place before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when the birth had taken place he might put an end to her child.

Especially the bolded.
What about the abuse by the no good parents or guardians? Do you know that as a child between 3 and 7 years, You knew but couldn't understand it fully.

Notwithstanding The ages between conception and ages 7 to 9 of every Black child is when they were the super-scientists. There was no dull ones even with all the abuse and stress.

This things may sound racist, There is no how truth can be bent. We are in the truth era. 2016 to 2025 men! Many non-blacks would commit suicide from hearing the truth.

Which sports aren't we excelling in? adult football? ask yourself a question; why are the junior and under 17, female team doing great but the national team can't?

CoolUsername:
No, I don't recall all 7 year olds being intelligent. There were slow students back when I was in primary 1, 2, and 3.

Your reasoning here is wrong.

And kinda racist.

We do not need vodou man, All we need is a African woman.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF0PEcbAhkU

dalaman:
Messi is on video displaying his abilities in front of millions. Bring your so called vodoo man that can cure deadly snake venom using incantations alone or admit that you are telling lies. There is one million dollars to be won.

It is only by the Basotho man, He shares the ancient ways of engineering, mathematics and linguistics and how they are actually superior to today's way.

KingEbukasBlog:
thanks gatiano . Are only South Africans authors of the blog site ?

gatiano:
You did not read my last line completely, You only took what felt racist to you because of your sympathy for them.

I wrote and I quote it again "The non-blacks had already attacking that long ago, why?" which I anwered " It turns out that only Black children are capable of this magnificent observation."

Have you seen the latest CDC investigation in the united states, They vaccinating Black children, especially Black male with a high dosage of mercury.
Don't they vaccinate all of us too in Africa? What about the polio vaccination in the North, doing more worst than good, bill gate would be arrested whenever he enters India for questioning, he's been killing indians with his vaccination project.

What about the birth procedure? Do you know how African people birth a baby? The woman stands, opening her legs, She never doesn't have to push, The baby comes out pushing himself/herself out. That is how sporty we were from birth. The light skin/non-blacks babies can't push themselves out, thus their mother had to push. Since Black people love to copy the light races they do the same. If they were to revert back to the old ways of giving birth, it will be quiet impossible because the blackwoman's body is not what it used to be, and also the blackman's body.

When a white baby is born, he comes out cold, all stressed out, they immidiately put that baby under a blue light oven. The Black baby has heat coming out, All he needs is his mother's and father's chest to lie on to get the proper warmth.

What about the the compounds in the breast milk as compared to formula food- the colostrum, antibodies, protein, carbohydrates, fatty-acids, vitamins and minerals. They are all natural from the mother's breast. colostrum and antibodies is not even present in the cerelac/nutriend food formula. The proteins are directly from pork meat (most poisonous food in life), the glucose that is pure sugar(diabetes) and other minerals that is difficult to absorb by a grown person howmuch less a baby.

What the feeding habit of the nursing mother? That alone is disastrous.

Revelations 12 made clear the prophesy.
12:2 And she was with child; and she gave a cry, in the pains of childbirth.
12:3 And there was seen another sign in heaven; a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and on his heads seven crowns.
12:4 And his tail was pulling a third part of the stars of heaven down to the earth, and the dragon took his place before the woman who was about to give birth, so that when the birth had taken place he might put an end to her child.

Especially the bolded.
What about the abuse by the no good parents or guardians? Do you know that as a child between 3 and 7 years, You knew but couldn't understand it fully.

Notwithstanding The ages between conception and ages 7 to 9 of every Black child is when they were the super-scientists. There was no dull ones even with all the abuse and stress.

This things may sound racist, There is no how truth can be bent. We are in the truth era. 2016 to 2025 men! Many non-blacks would commit suicide from hearing the truth.

Which sports aren't we excelling in? adult football? ask yourself a question; why are the junior and under 17, female team doing great but the national team can't?

You have a lot of conspiracy theories. You probably think that the moon landing was fake, right? D'you also think that 9/11 was an inside job? Or that the earth is flat?

This are no theories, It is what it is. Whether they landed on the moon or not is not of a wise Blackman's concern. It was a wate of money, time, resources and energy. Nobody can leave on the moon, It affinity for water will even dry out your all the water in the body. What a waste.

CoolUsername:
You have a lot of conspiracy theories. You probably think that the moon landing was fake, right? D'you also think that 9/11 was an inside job? Or that the earth is flat?

CDC Admits Polio Vaccine Tainted with Cancer Causing Virus

This is one of the most outrageous vaccination stories I’ve ever come across. The CDC posted on its own website (which was taken down shortly after this post went viral. Click here for an internet archived copy) that as many as 30 million Americans could be at risk for developing cancer due to polio vaccine tainted with Simian Virus 40 (SV40) found in some species of monkey.
This story is not new – many of of us who thoroughly researched the vaccination issue before choosing whether or not to immunize were already aware of this fact years ago.
I became aware of the tainted polio vaccines from 1955-1963 in the late 1990’s and it was one of the primary motivators for me to choose a “no shots, no way” approach for my children.

What is new is that the CDC is finally admitting it.
What took you so long CDC? Many of the folks vaccinated with the tainted polio stock are already dead from cancer with many more getting diagnosed each and every day!
Here’s the exact language from the CDC Fact Sheet. I am reprinting it here in it’s entirety in case the CDC decides to take it down. UPDATE: The CDC did in fact take down the page on SV40 shortly after this post went viral, so the link now goes to an archived copy.
SV40 is a virus found in some species of monkey.
SV40 was discovered in 1960. Soon afterward, the virus was found in polio vaccine.
More than 98 million Americans received one or more doses of polio vaccine from 1955 to 1963 when a proportion of vaccine was contaminated with SV40; it has been estimated that 10—30 million Americans could have received an SV40 contaminated dose of vaccine.
SV40 virus has been found in certain types of cancer in humans, but it has not been determined that SV40 causes these cancers.
The majority of scientific evidence suggests that SV40-contaminated vaccine did not cause cancer; however, some research results are conflicting and more studies are needed.
Polio vaccines being used today do not contain SV40. All of the current evidence indicates that polio vaccines have been free of SV40 since 1963. Editor’s note: This claim by the CDC is false. SV40-contaminated oral polio vaccines were produced from early 1960s to about 1978 and were used throughout the world.
In the 1950s, rhesus monkey kidney cells, which contain SV40 if the animal is infected, were used in preparing polio vaccines. Because SV40 was not discovered until 1960, no one was aware in the 1950s that polio vaccine could be contaminated.
SV40 was found in the injected form of the polio vaccine (IPV), not the kind given by mouth (OPV). (Editor’s note: this claim by the CDC is patently false. SV40 was found in oral polio vaccines after 1961. A study determined that the procedure used by the manufacturer to inactivate SV40 in oral poliovirus vaccine seed stocks based on heat inactivation in the presence of MgCl2 did not completely inactivate SV40.).
Not all doses of IPV were contaminated. It has been estimated that 10—30 million people actually received a vaccine that contained SV40.

to continue... read on link
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/it-only-took-50-years-cdc-admits-polio-vaccine-tainted-with-cancer-causing-virus/

Farrakhan Associate at Million Man March: RFK Jr. Told Me CDC Poisoned ‘Black and Latino Boys’ with Genetically-Modified Vaccines

“Four months ago, Bobby Kennedy, the son of Robert Kennedy, met with me in Los Angeles to give me some shocking, revealing and I mean, terrible information on what’s going on at the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta, Georgia.

It had been brought to our attention that the senior lead scientist for the Center for Disease Control has admitted that the MMR vaccine and many of the vaccine shots have been genetically modified to attack black and Latino boys.”

Kennedy's son(caucasian) ..
and many more reports. What is conspiracy theory about it when they have openly admitted the evil deeds and still doing?

CoolUsername:
You have a lot of conspiracy theories. You probably think that the moon landing was fake, right? D'you also think that 9/11 was an inside job? Or that the earth is flat?

CoolUsername:
That's still under research. See, these take years of research with sound minds going over things like this. I know you're going to say "ha, that means God did it" but that really doesn't hold any water. When we didn't know where rain comes from people said it was God, when we didn't know about bacteria, diseases where said to come from the supernatural realm. But what happened? In the end, ignorance gave way to evidence.

That's probably going to happen in this case. Dude, there's even a chance that we'll find out in our lifetime.

Till then, bruh!

Ur patient. I Like ur style. One thing these guys don't know is that unlike religion, science NEVER claims infallibility. Science can explain EVERYTHING maybe not immediately or perfectly. Humans are wired to c what they want to c,hear what they want to hear, etc especially if it is in alignment with their beliefs. When u tell them that their beliefs are flawed they become enraged and start trying to attack from another angle instead of concentrating on the topic.

vooks:
Don't you just love the way antitheists hide behind ignorance?

Of course knowledge keeps on increasing but PRESENT knowledge suffices to rule out chance as being responsible of the the incredible complex and ordered life. For instance, just as no amount of knowledge changes the FACT that it is IMPOSSIBLE for random processes to generate a Subaru,no amount of knowledge can turn abiogenesis hoax into a fact.

Little wonder 'scientists' shy away from Origins. Did you know they worked super hard to drop the term 'chemical evolution' and instead adopted abiogenesis?

If you are going to explain how life has evolved in complexity, you need to explain where life came from in the first place

have u heard about natural selection?
Where did life come from?
Educate me please.

zeemahn:
have u heard about natural selection?
Where did life come from?
Educate me please.

Oh dear

You didnt just ask uncle vooks that

Rip

KingEbukasBlog:
Oh dear

You didnt just ask uncle vooks that

Rip

amen

zeemahn:
Ur patient. I Like ur style. One thing these guys don't know is that unlike religion, science NEVER claims infallibility. Science can explain EVERYTHING maybe not immediately or perfectly. Humans are wired to c what they want to c,hear what they want to hear, etc especially if it is in alignment with their beliefs. When u tell them that their beliefs are flawed they become enraged and start trying to attack from another angle instead of concentrating on the topic.

Science CAN NEVER explain everything .

When I tell atheists their beliefs are flawed they become enraged and start trying to attack from another angle instead of concentrating on the topic . Like Dalaman telling me there's no God and attacking the biblical account of creation instead focusing on the topic

zeemahn:
have u heard about natural selection?
Where did life come from?
Educate me please.

Natural selection does not explain origin of life but SURVIVAL of life.

Go back to school young man

gatiano:
CDC Admits Polio Vaccine Tainted with Cancer Causing Virus

This is one of the most outrageous vaccination stories I’ve ever come across. The CDC posted on its own website (which was taken down shortly after this post went viral. Click here for an internet archived copy) that as many as 30 million Americans could be at risk for developing cancer due to polio vaccine tainted with Simian Virus 40 (SV40) found in some species of monkey.
This story is not new – many of of us who thoroughly researched the vaccination issue before choosing whether or not to immunize were already aware of this fact years ago.
I became aware of the tainted polio vaccines from 1955-1963 in the late 1990’s and it was one of the primary motivators for me to choose a “no shots, no way” approach for my children.

What is new is that the CDC is finally admitting it.
What took you so long CDC? Many of the folks vaccinated with the tainted polio stock are already dead from cancer with many more getting diagnosed each and every day!
Here’s the exact language from the CDC Fact Sheet. I am reprinting it here in it’s entirety in case the CDC decides to take it down. UPDATE: The CDC did in fact take down the page on SV40 shortly after this post went viral, so the link now goes to an archived copy.
SV40 is a virus found in some species of monkey.
SV40 was discovered in 1960. Soon afterward, the virus was found in polio vaccine.
More than 98 million Americans received one or more doses of polio vaccine from 1955 to 1963 when a proportion of vaccine was contaminated with SV40; it has been estimated that 10—30 million Americans could have received an SV40 contaminated dose of vaccine.
SV40 virus has been found in certain types of cancer in humans, but it has not been determined that SV40 causes these cancers.
The majority of scientific evidence suggests that SV40-contaminated vaccine did not cause cancer; however, some research results are conflicting and more studies are needed.
Polio vaccines being used today do not contain SV40. All of the current evidence indicates that polio vaccines have been free of SV40 since 1963. Editor’s note: This claim by the CDC is false. SV40-contaminated oral polio vaccines were produced from early 1960s to about 1978 and were used throughout the world.
In the 1950s, rhesus monkey kidney cells, which contain SV40 if the animal is infected, were used in preparing polio vaccines. Because SV40 was not discovered until 1960, no one was aware in the 1950s that polio vaccine could be contaminated.
SV40 was found in the injected form of the polio vaccine (IPV), not the kind given by mouth (OPV). (Editor’s note: this claim by the CDC is patently false. SV40 was found in oral polio vaccines after 1961. A study determined that the procedure used by the manufacturer to inactivate SV40 in oral poliovirus vaccine seed stocks based on heat inactivation in the presence of MgCl2 did not completely inactivate SV40.).
Not all doses of IPV were contaminated. It has been estimated that 10—30 million people actually received a vaccine that contained SV40.

to continue... read on link
http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/it-only-took-50-years-cdc-admits-polio-vaccine-tainted-with-cancer-causing-virus/

Farrakhan Associate at Million Man March: RFK Jr. Told Me CDC Poisoned ‘Black and Latino Boys’ with Genetically-Modified Vaccines

“Four months ago, Bobby Kennedy, the son of Robert Kennedy, met with me in Los Angeles to give me some shocking, revealing and I mean, terrible information on what’s going on at the Center for Disease Control in Atlanta, Georgia.

It had been brought to our attention that the senior lead scientist for the Center for Disease Control has admitted that the MMR vaccine and many of the vaccine shots have been genetically modified to attack black and Latino boys.”

Kennedy's son(caucasian) ..
and many more reports. What is conspiracy theory about it when they have openly admitted the evil deeds and still doing?

Wow! So you're an anti-vaxxer too, you know what happens to anti-vaxxers? Nothing!
But their children may end up dying horribly from a preventable illness.

vooks:
Natural selection does not explain origin of life but SURVIVAL of life.

Go back to school young man

old man. I'm here to reason not to quarrel, annoy anybody or get annoyed by anybody. I'm not comfortable with being told to "go back to school"

Who says natural selection explains the origin of life? srsly?
I cannot authoritatively agree with the present theories about the origin of life even though they are very convincing(NB: many scientists agree with it) . But that doesn't mean that we should fill the gap with a supernatural explanation. I will prefer to wait for better theories.

Natural selection not chance as you earlier speculated(maybe out of ignorance) is what people like me think is responsible for the level of complexity in the world today.

Again, NB not all atheists, agnostics, humanists, etc align with the same explanations or theories.

Thanx.

zeemahn:
old man. I'm here to reason not to quarrel, annoy anybody or get annoyed by anybody. I'm not comfortable with being told to "go back to school"

Who says natural selection explains the origin of life? srsly?
I cannot authoritatively agree with the present theories about the origin of life even though they are very convincing(NB: many scientists agree with it) . But that doesn't mean that we should fill the gap with a supernatural explanation. I will prefer to wait for better theories.

Natural selection not chance as you earlier speculated(maybe out of ignorance) is what people like me think is responsible for the level of complexity in the world today.

Again, NB not all atheists, agnostics, humanists, etc align with the same explanations or theories.

Thanx.

Let me school you here then.
Natural selection ASSUMES there was some simple life to begin with. This life somewhat grew in complexity out of random errors called mutations, and with each mutation, whatever was lucky to survive the environment best lived on while others perished. This in itself had problems of its own namely, complexity= information and am supposed to believe simple information magically increased in quality and quantity. An example would be, starting with basic alphabet and ending with Shakespeare's Macbeth. That is worse than horse manure.

The other problem is actually assumption life from God knows where (pun) was there in the first place.

Now, as I keep on saying, it is true we don't possess all information and knowledge and we are discovering more and more, but from the existing information, we have some established facts such as 1+1=2, it is IMPOSSIBLE for any known no unknown natural and random process to generate this Subaru..and so forth

This tells you that no amount of theorizing no knowledge can change these simple facts.

Applied to evolution,we don't need another billion years of theorizing and information to know that chance is hopelessly incapable of generating life or in other words, chemical evolution/abiogenesis or formation of life from chemicals is IMPOSSIBLE.

In future,scientists may generate amino acids, combine them to form DNA in the lab but we know ENOUGH of DNA to dismiss as idiotic any suggestion that DNA/RNA can form of itself naturally outside a living organism just as a Volcano can't form a Subaru

Thanks

KingEbukasBlog:
Science CAN NEVER explain everything .

When I tell atheists their beliefs are flawed they become enraged and start trying to attack from another angle instead of concentrating on the topic . Like Dalaman telling me there's no God and attacking the biblical account of creation instead focusing on the topic

Lolololol

whoever told you that atheist got beliefs...

In ancient times, humans believed that "we were made of special stuffs". Now we know that we are made of "regular stuffs"

In ancient times, different civilizations explained thunder and lightening as noise and sparks produced when a particular god smashed his hammer in anger. Thor is an example of such god

You see, science continue to exist because new challenges continue to arise. If you are able to explain something today, the result will lead you to more mysteries and ultimately, more discoveries and explanations. New mysteries continue to arise and old mysteries continue to be solved...Infinite mysteries will always have infinite explanations.

Science CAN explain everything maybe not in our lifetime but the secret will always be unraveled. As long as the result continues to get unraveled, eveYrthing will continue to be explAINED

Im enjoying this.

zeemahn:
Lolololol

whoever told you that atheist got beliefs...

In ancient times, humans believed that "we were made of special stuffs". Now we know that we are made of "regular stuffs"

In ancient times, different civilizations explained thunder and lightening as noise and sparks produced when a particular god smashed his hammer in anger. Thor is an example of such god

You see, science continue to exist because new challenges continue to arise. If you are able to explain something today, the result will lead you to more mysteries and ultimately, more discoveries and explanations. New mysteries continue to arise and old mysteries continue to be solved...Infinite mysteries will always have infinite explanations.

Science CAN explain everything maybe not in our lifetime but the secret will always be unraveled. As long as the result continues to get unraveled, eveYrthing will continue to be explAINED

Im enjoying this.

Can you tell me how science will unravel why a causeless universe decided to create life ?

vooks:

Let me school you here then.

Im all ears sire

Natural selection ASSUMES there was some simple life to begin with. This life somewhat grew in complexity out of random errors called mutations, and with each mutation, whatever was lucky to survive the environment best lived on while others perished.

I know.

This in itself had problems of its own namely, complexity= information and am supposed to believe simple information magically increased in quality and quantity.

One fact many people(including some atheists, etc) fail to recognize is that natural selection does not only lead to more complex form but infact, in most situations, it leads to simpler forms especially when there is a large population. Organisms that become more complex in such cases are at a great disadvantage(please google why. I dont want to bore you with pages of explanations). Complex forms arise due to relative absence or weakness of natural selection and is only common in small populations. This is why small groups of organisms isolated from their kind tend to evolve faster. Also natural disasters have been observed to speed up evolution probably due to its effect on populations. Finally remember, random mutation-it could be an increase or decrease ...

An example would be, starting with basic alphabet and ending with Shakespeare's Macbeth. That is worse than horse manure.

Do you realize that there can be order from disorder?

The other problem is actually assumption life from God knows where (pun) was there in the first place.

Now, as I keep on saying, it is true we don't possess all information and knowledge and we are discovering more and more, but from the existing information, we have some established facts such as 1+1=2, it is IMPOSSIBLE for any known no unknown natural and random process to generate this Subaru..and so forth

First of all, we know that a subaru is an inanimate object. And we know who makes them. The proofs are not hiding or contentious. but
Im avoiding long long explanations here oooo
Lets assume that you have multiple letters of the alphabet.
And if any combination forms a known word it will survive...blah blah blah
Randomly combining, they will form many words, with different number of letters, etc many of which will be senseless and maybe die...
The remaining may survive and form larger letter words, etc.
etc etc I don tire.

Natural selection is all about trial and error.

This tells you that no amount of theorizing no knowledge can change these simple facts.

which simple fact?

Applied to evolution,we don't need another billion years of theorizing and information to know that chance is hopelessly incapable of generating life or in other words, chemical evolution/abiogenesis or formation of life from chemicals is IMPOSSIBLE.

What are you made up of sire?

In future,scientists may generate amino acids, combine them to form DNA in the lab but we know ENOUGH of DNA to dismiss as idiotic any suggestion that DNA/RNA can form of itself naturally outside a living organism just as a Volcano can't form a Subaru

Who made the subaru?
And remember, everybody does not agree with the same theory. There is no consensus as to how life originated.

Many things that were made in the lab were actually existing naturally and were formed and evolved through purely natural processes.

[q]Thanks[/q]

Im honored

zeemahn:
Science CAN explain everything maybe not in our lifetime but the secret will always be unraveled. As long as the result continues to get unraveled, eveYrthing will continue to be explAINED

Im enjoying this.

Science can explain 'everything' but it can't change simple facts such as 1+1=2 or the fact that it is IMPOSSIBLE for any natural and random process give an infinite amount of time to generate a Subaru!

Give science a trillion years and 1+1=2 and a Subaru design will never show up in nature.

Like wise, no amount of knowledge changes the fact that life is irreducibly complex and ordered, too complex and ordered for chance

KingEbukasBlog:
Can you tell me how science will unravel why a causeless universe decided to create life ?

The universe is not a human so it cannot 'decide'.
Any better question?