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| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by feaworaoja007: 4:23pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
jerseyboy:word! |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by Nobody: 4:47pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
On vertical partitioning, even a cursory look at the cultures of the Southern parts of West Africa will suffice. |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by Nobody: 4:49pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
well written masterpiece from a great mind. |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by Nobody: 4:52pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Wow! I'm belle filled. |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by jhubril(m): 4:55pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
I really can't find an answer to the question of why you are so clearly illogical but argumentative. I read your post with utmost concern about logic and historical correctness but I got swept away by the flood of lies. Your Marxist orientation is shallow and dangerously unfounded. How did you define class war and class struggle? I think you have made us to accept that class war takes places within a particular domineering group ie the bourgeoisie. Did Karl Marx say so? I am sure you understand Karl Marx's position where he says in The Communist Manifesto: "Let the ruling class tremble at a communist revolution. The proletarian have nothing to loose,but their chains. They have a world to win. Workers of the world unite!". Is this still about class war ? If you want us to accept communist ideology you have a responsibility to reiterate Karl Marx ' positions very correctly. Don't twist it. Reading up HISTORICAL MATERIALISM will help. Nigeria is dying for its lack of visionary leaders. Do you have a problem with successful people? If you really do,you are troubled. Lenin came from a very educated background. What sense can we make of this? I am sure you aren't going to say he was an opportunist. He was a brilliant theoretician who turned Russia around. No one complained about that. All we remember him for is his contribution. Stop attacking successful people (politicians excluded)they aren't really actively responsible for our problems(I strongly doubt they are). Visionary leaders really matter. Do we have them ? No. |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by LastProphet: 4:56pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
outstanding! |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by jhubril(m): 5:06pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
untainted:The ISM of one who writes in a manner far too terrific and truth-evading is not in doubt. You have pelted Malcolm X and others great marxists illogically. Why? I don't accept your stance. |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by Nobody: 5:07pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
jhubril:And you can see a lot of folks already falling over themselves in awe and reverence at this "beautiful" write up. |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by jhubril(m): 5:11pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
olukenzo:Please share my post good friend. I am sad that people don't see beyond words. They are quick to form a large circle of friends who can give a nodding approval to every emotionally flavoured article. |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by porka: 5:14pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Laziness! When you are done with educating your children and they are successful will others who don't have the opportunity not tag you (and your children) as 'CABALS'? Mentioning only a few people with pedigree to buttress a questionable hypothesis is an insult to millions of Nigerians who brazed the odds and became a success through their own efforts and the blessing of God. Goodluck Jonathan, Tony Elemelu, Ayo Fayose, Ali Baba, Cosmas Maduka and thousands upon thousands of hitherto ordinary people (and children of ordinary Nigerians) have risen through this same system and have become outstanding in their vocations. You can't teach Femi Otedola who to hire into his organization. He determines how to spend his money. There are other organizations with different policies from his. They reserve the rights to hire who they so wish. Many organizations with such 'elitist' policies have been ran aground by the so-called 'foreign-trained-super-employess/managers' while several companies are thriving even with the "local' hires. Ultimately, the market will determine the fate of every business. Go out and compete. You can't afford be intimidated even before you start. And don't attempt to preach hopelessness to young people. |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by dBard: 5:20pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Totally agree with the o.p.. The moment we realize it stopped bin about the country/populace but about power, control and ambition pursued using the vehicles of tribe/ethnic and partisan politics, the better. This isn't about Biafra or the West or APC/PDP, it's just the reality I.m.o |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by Genea(f): 5:28pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
dmater:u r a fool,if dah was d only thing u got frm d write up |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by dBard: 5:31pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
porka:I think the thrust of his write up is for us not to buy into the usual attempt by the 'elitist' to use the masses to pursue their selfish agendas. It's typical 'Marc Anthony' type of politics..appeal to the sentiments of the plebs n mobs while pursuing his selfish ambitions. Same thing we're witnessing now with the APC/PDP, Biafra agitations while the masses cry |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by Nobody: 5:41pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
I disagree fundamentally with OP's argument. People even say the racial issues in America are really "class wars" and that slavery was based off of money and the economy. While there is an element of truth to those statements, I think it's a ridiculous cover up to rid people of their sense of indignation. These issues are real. There is tribalism, racism, sexism, anti-semitism etc. Its not just about "class" or money. It's not just the poor vs the rich. History has proven that over and over. So the "Igbo problem" is not a class issue. It's deeper than that. |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by dmater: 5:43pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Genea:Insulting other people is the area of specialisation of uncivilised nonentities especially since they are empty-headed and lack proper grooming from home. |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by Genea(f): 5:50pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
dmater:like i said,u r a fool if dat was d only thing u got,read d write up again witout sentinents and u wud get d message d op's is passing on |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by amInigerian: 6:05pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Ishopbest:[size=13pt]"If you want to hide something from the black man, put it in books"[/size] That is what others have said to abuse us |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by RedCapChief(m): 6:29pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
I agree with the op up until the point where he brought in Biafra into his argument. Igbo emancipation is a sensitive topic for me and I don't want to get vexed on Boxing Day. The way of the world has always been the elitist vs. the masses. QED. Look at all the developed nations. All their leaders have stellar education. It has not made them stellar leaders, but it gives them an advantage. Obama went to Harvard. Two members of the Bush dynasty have been President, another is in the race. Trudeau of Canada is from an elitist background. David Cameron went to Eton. The list is endless. op is right in his hypothesis. In this life, an excellent educational background can be of help if you don't have connections. I know a family friend who did undergrad in the UK. She already had two job offers from Nigerian banks before graduation - not contract staff o! Yet many 2(1) and first class are loitering. The elite keep it in the family, that is why they inter-marry across tribe. The Delta governor's daughter just married to a Yoruba dude. In the North that is so low on female education, a governor has two unmarried daughters who are qualified doctors. Yet, almajiri girls are sent into marriage once they start menstruating. It is a class war. |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by mbulela: 6:40pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
bonechamberlain:Even Warren Buffet confirmed it according to the quote in my signature |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by mildflame: 6:56pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Smoke2015:EXCELLENT |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by amInigerian: 7:02pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
cutebobo:[size=13pt]You make the following statement seem true: "If you want to hide something from the black man, put it in books"[/size] |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by bonechamberlain(m): 7:13pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
mbulela:are u part of that class. |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by amInigerian: 7:13pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
olagamalin:[size=13pt]There are all kinds of education. When I was at the M. Okpara univ or Agriculture (in Umuhia) in 1999/2000 and the VC was robbing the university, "educated" members of the university community where still pointing blaming fingers to the North for the perceived woes they faced. How educated can we say they were in the end? Professor Placid Njokwu was the VC then. It took the villagers (out of anger when he cheated them of millions upon millions of government compensation money for their land) to pull the required strings that eventually sent him out of office. If my memory serves me right, it was under the Sani Abacha that he became VC of that university.[/size] |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by bonechamberlain(m): 7:15pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
feaworaoja007:respect. |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by engrshakespeare: 7:19pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
gost:And you had to quote d whole write up, SMH for you |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by bonechamberlain(m): 7:22pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
jerseyboy:respect.. |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by LegatusGlaber(m): 7:40pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
One of the most insightful piece I ve ever read |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by theDEVILisHERE: 7:43pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
Smoke2015:IT IS NOT A CLASS WAR It is a war between those who can reason properly And Those who don't want people to reason properly Those who can reason properly want to make things right While Those who don't want people to reason properly want to keep things in the wrong way so as to use it to their advantage They do this with the aid of idiotic people who they have suceeded in brainwashing not to thinking properly Unfortunately those who want people not to think properly have been winning the battle But What's inevitable is that Those who reason properly will eventually win the war Because Truth will always win against lies in the end |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by Nobody: 8:03pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
I'm appalled that some people fail to see the message first from op point of view. I wish I have the energy and the luxury of concentration to elucidate this piece. |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by romme2u: 8:26pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
if only i can quote all who try to show their philosophical prowess and logical incomprehension in matters above their cerebral cavities. Op tried to proof the proverbial phrase that when two elephants fight, it is always the grass that suffers the most. Nigeria being multi ethnic is not our problem but we are suffering because our leaders (especially public servants) are fighting supremacy battle in political space, economic space and even in the military (armed forces). this may continue for the next 50 to 100 even 500 years, i will give local and international examples below i won't have the luxury to expand the terms i am going to coined but may write books on them. The Game of Money (having the resources to be relevant in the society whether by hook or by crook): this is a game or fight (anyhow u want to term it since both have winners and losers) holding sway in the economic circle. from corporations defrauding the masses to inter and even intra-corporation wars. the fight is all about who will make more money and have the resources to dominate the economic space (or become wealthy). A perfect example was the cement industry war during the OBJ period where dangote tried to snuff live out of competitors until everybody ran and he became the highest manufacturer and distributor of cement in Nigeria expanding to dominate the african market thereby becoming the richest black man (He won the game). the biggest loser in that war was femi otedola of AP whose share price on the floor of the NSE plummeted to dust via market manipulation thereby limiting him access to funds (or what u call loans) that will finance his adventures in the cement industry. Remember that dangote was the president of NSE then. if u are not financially savvy u won't understand the gibberish i am writing up there. In retaliation, femi otedola frustrated dangote out of the petroluem sector of which he holds sway. u will remember that during OBJ era of dashing state properties to his cronies through the guise of privatisation, dangote got one or two refineries which refused to work until government took them back during yaradua/jonathan era whereas femi got AP. thus each of them face their ministry and callings. this is the hardest game since u don't have control over all factors that will increment ur resources as u wish. that is why INVESTORS and businessmen are control and market determination freaks. unfortunately everybody is a player whether u are aware or not. The Game of Relationship (getting favours (help,support,money) from others): some will think that this is a male/female thingy. No, it transcends that. we relate with people everyday in ways that affect us positively or negatively. yes man-woman relationship or what some people call love is also part of the game but it is never the core. Relationships work in a give and take approach. to be relevant in any relationship, u must have a bargaining power or something to offer the other person else the relationship dies a natural death. most relationship die when a party feels he/she is not benefiting from the arrangement. People with common interest and goals always come together for the sole reason of helping each other achieve their purpose in whichever area they wish to advance. Ur ability to form and maintain complex relationships where u benefits most makes u a master in this game. In this game u most have something to offer the other party (whether real or imaginary) else u become irrelevant to the person. to succeed in this game, u must be seductive, manipulative, charismatic, emotional and most importantly let the other party see what it will gain by associating or doing something for u. i won't go into more details but let me give two perfect examples. Some will think that the perfect example is marriage but let me surprise u that parent/child relationship is where power plays are displayed the most. Most parents are controlling often trying to bend their children to their wishes while on the other hand some children are so manipulative that they use their parent to play expensive pranks. while parents need children who will be responsible enough to support them in old age and perpetuate their lineage (plus whatever money they will leave behind), children also need their parents to cater for their welfare as the tried to understand the system of things around them for survival. so each party benefits form the other in a kind of symbiotic relationship but it is not always balance though better than the second example. the second and most complex kind of relationship is that formed by the rich and powerful within political, economic and military circles for their perpetual dominance. In this kind of relationship, the more space u occupy the bigger ur bargaining power without wish u cannot gain support and help from others. If u are giant in economic circle like dangote, u get more help to ur business as all nigerians bank contributed to give him up to $4bn loan facility to expand his operations outside Nigeria making him the richest man in africa. the same exist in military and political circles. In Nigeria, people like OBJ, IBB, Atiku and others who operated in the military, political and economic circles combined wield a kind of power in relationships that even the British and American ruling class would envy. that is why both the APC and PDP were courting OBJ during the last election for help and Atiku is still pulling strings till today. this is the trickiest and most complex of all (i should have mention religion but i don't want this post to be longer than this). The Game of Power (holding positions and wielding influence in the society with the capacity to fight opponents): You are not considered a player and cannot compete in this game without succeeding in the game of money and relationship (being wealthy with top connections). this game pans itself out from families, villages, associations out to the larger society. infact if u try to flex muscle when u own no big pass ur opponent, instant humiliation or annihilation awaits u. humans are civilised, past the level of fighting with their bare hands except the agberos and primitive fellows who still use bottles and sticks. the level of fighting is so sophisticated now that if u don't have resources, just forget about the fight. whether legally via the judiciary, with arms and ammunition, or any other way of subjugating and clearing ur opponent from the road to ur success. |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by alpontif(m): 8:35pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
I am sad that the OP posted this article. Not because it is untrue, but because posting it on this forum is like throwing pearls before Pigs. Most will not understand it. Some will take sides. Some will say the OP is completely wrong. Very few will understand that what the OP posted is the Gospel truth. It has always been a Class war. An elitist affair. Strictly exclusive. Limited membership accessible via elitist education in the best schools. Let me paint you the picture. The typical elite in Nigeria send their Kids to King's College, Corona , Eton College and other boarding schools in the UK, Switzerland or New England. These kids proceed almost automatically to Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Imperial College. From there they get into top Firms like Goldman Sachs , Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Accenture, KPMG, PWC, McKinsey etc. This sets them up for credible entry into Power in Nigeria, because by this time, they have the connections both local and international, they have the academic pedigree, they have experience, and they have Strong family names to open. Doors for them. The elite are not tribalistic. The masses are. It is only success that they use to discriminate, not your tribe, your religion, your sex, or what you believe . Class elitism is all about Power and influence. Which is amoral. If you still do not understand by this time that is a class struggle, your children will in some years time still come online on a forum lime this, and take your position. The class struggle is real. It cuts you out of accessing opportunities, and they can prove that you are not qualified to take those opportunities. Some companies state that they only accept applications from foreing trained individuals. Some companies only award projects and business opportunities to people who have contacts in government and contacts abroad. A word is enough for the wise. Get proper education. |
| Re: It Is A Class War silly! By Joseph Edgar by romme2u: 8:40pm On Dec 26, 2015 |
theDEVILisHERE:u have simply summarise it for those who need summary #these are the set of people i should be trolling with #but both sides can still be referred to as class |
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