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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 5:28pm On Dec 26, 2015
rotecch77:
Pls I want my own Hennessey o o, oga brabus
My own alfa they take non alcoholic like that of hajji, I be small alfa o
Haa! Here's your own. Wrap am for black nylon make nairaland spambot no ban you for illegal possession of alcoholic beverages.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 5:38pm On Dec 26, 2015
Mystical888:
Hello house,

Please i need your opinion about the exterior designs or sculpture work on the corners of buildings.

I seem to regard them as trendy and with time they'll fade out and make your building look old.
What do you think about them?

See pictures below for better understanding.
That's quoin. Yea, it's trending for now. If it goes out of fashion, you can easily chip it off and follow the trending style.

It's unlike having a parapet over your structure which is near impossible to remove.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by rotecch77(m): 5:46pm On Dec 26, 2015
Wow emi nikan 3 bottles hahaha
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by twinskenny(m): 6:06pm On Dec 26, 2015
rotecch77:
Wow emi nikan 3 bottles hahaha
pls don't drink and drive..... grin
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 6:08pm On Dec 26, 2015
erico2k2:
Oh if that's what you meant by 2 storey then yes as shown in the pic below
And as for ur DPC level to rd Your height is perfect no kind rd will flood your yard.in the UK we also have DIY S.O.S.
Yeah that's what I meant. I guess I need to start using the word level.

Verdict on the soil?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Mystical888: 6:27pm On Dec 26, 2015
brabus:
That's quoin. Yea, it's trending for now. If it goes out of fashion, you can easily chip it off and follow the trending style.
It's unlike having a parapet over your structure which is near impossible to remove.
That's an option.
Thanks Brabus.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by peaceland(m): 6:43pm On Dec 26, 2015
adanny01:
There are different mixers applicable to different uses.
1. Basin mixer - usually used in the hand wash basin or laundry basin
2. Kitchen sink mixer - this comes sometimes with longer pipes
3. Bath tub mixer
4. Shower mixer
The bath tub and shower mixers some times have 2 or more interchangeable water outlets. So you can use a hand shower or over head mixer or drain pipe to collect water in a bucket/tub.

The other thing you were asking of that Hajji posted its picture but forgot its name is called SHATTAF valve.

Lastly, i prefer the top flush than the side flush because the side flush is more fragile and more prone to damage. Also, the top flush would save more water because it has 2 buttons one is for complete flush and the other for partial flush that stops once it is released. One button is good for poo and the other good for pee saving some water that would have been wasted on little pee using complete flush.
Thanks a lot sir, I am grateful. Merry Christmas!
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 6:45pm On Dec 26, 2015
brabus:
Oga 3strike,

I saw the Christmas message from your family to me and I really appreciate the words and the prayers. 2016 shall bring us good tidings.

To my greatest surprise, I checked shocked everything line by line I didn't see any present. Abi you don return my Greek gift back to me. grin grin
I bet you didn't see that coming right?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 7:18pm On Dec 26, 2015
3strike:
I bet you didn't see that coming right?
It never took me by surprise. I opened the message in the comfort of my bedroom. I didn't have to open it from distance. The only surprise is there's nothing accompanying the msg and I felt I should let you know. I believe it must be an oversight on your part.

We are part of your success story this year just as you opened the door of business to us.

______
Even if na one of those strong drinks you dey share with Mr Adeekiti, I no mind.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by olumide4christ: 7:31pm On Dec 26, 2015
BrabusNG:
^^^

Double wall is good. A capping beam or ground beam will be ideal. You can also explore pouring slurry concrete into the hollow blocks.

Chateau de Brabus was built on a similar terrain. All those part had a ground beam. I don't know tomorrow and maintenance-free built is always my delight.
I completely agree with you Mr. Brabus.

Double wall and capping beam was used at my project at Lugbe, Abuja. The approach portion of the building was about 6-7 coaches high due to the slopy terrain of the site and the closeness to a small stream, so we used a double wall on all the front perimeter, part of the left and right side perimeter and some internal walls, and then tied the columns in foundation with a capping beam on top of the double wall. We also filled the double walls with weak concrete & broken blocks.

It made the foundation cost much more but just like you said, its better to get it right from the onset than doing maintenance/corrective measures later.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 7:41pm On Dec 26, 2015
olumide4christ:
I completely agree with you Mr. Brabus.

Double wall was used at my project at Lugbe, Abuja. The approach portion of the building was about 7 coaches high due to the slopy terrain of the site and the closeness to a small stream, so we used a double wall on all the front perimeter, part of the left and right side perimeter and some internal walls. We also filled the double walls with weak concrete & broken blocks.

It made the foundation cost much more but just like you said, its better to get it right from the onset than doing maintenance/corrective measures later.
In the 7 coach section, were the double walls of the same height?

Any pictures?

PS: This is not a cost issue, the whole shebang will be less than $80 in labour.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by rotecch77(m): 7:45pm On Dec 26, 2015
@twinskenny. Baba o;I will not drink and drive sir,I no wan go heaven quick
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by olumide4christ: 7:46pm On Dec 26, 2015
EgunMogaji:
In the 7 coach section, were the double walls of the same height?

Any pictures?

PS: This is not a cost issue, the whole shebang will be less than $80 in labour.
Yes, they were all of the same height. I'm sorry I don't have the pictures here right now; it was done last year. I'll have to search the archives for it.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 7:54pm On Dec 26, 2015
Oga Brabus , I no drink strong drink o cheesy abeg wine just dey ok for ekiti man like me , those ekiti made white wine , ekiti dey sweet now o cheesy
brabus:
It never took me by surprise. I opened the message in the comfort of my bedroom. I didn't have to open it from distance. The only surprise is there's nothing accompanying the msg and I felt I should let you know. I believe it must be an oversight on your part.

We are part of your success story this year just as you opened the door of business to us.

______
Even if na one of those strong drinks you dey share with Mr Adeekiti, I no mind.
my greetings to all my ogas in the house, I loyal to the core
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by olumide4christ: 7:59pm On Dec 26, 2015
mufutau55:
Oga Brabus.. I am not the kind who cannot forgive...
The Holy Bible said "Unless you can forgive, you will never be forgiven"
I am sorry, I don't hold any grudge... so take it that you are very clean with me. Just be at peace with your Clients.
I hope the coming 2016 bring all of us here peace and plenty fund to do our property business.

Hajji M.
Yes Hajji, that's the way to go... let bygones be bygones... even Jesus said we should forgive 70 times seven times in a day!!
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 8:33pm On Dec 26, 2015
olumide4christ:
Yes, they were all of the same height. I'm sorry I don't have the pictures here right now; it was done last year. I'll have to search the archives for it.
In case you find them I'll be very interested in seeing the pictures.

Thanks.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by olumide4christ: 8:38pm On Dec 26, 2015
EgunMogaji:
In case you find them I'll be very interested in seeing the pictures.

Thanks.
Okay, I'll try to do that soonest!!
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 8:38pm On Dec 26, 2015
olumide4christ:
I completely agree with you Mr. Brabus.

Double wall and capping beam was used at my project at Lugbe, Abuja. The approach portion of the building was about 6-7 coaches high due to the slopy terrain of the site and the closeness to a small stream, so we used a double wall on all the front perimeter, part of the left and right side perimeter and some internal walls, and then tied the columns in foundation with a capping beam on top of the double wall. We also filled the double walls with weak concrete & broken blocks.

It made the foundation cost much more but just like you said, its better to get it right from the onset than doing maintenance/corrective measures later.
Oga Olu, how come I do not have you in my contact? Your details bro.

Me, I no get silver spoon nor golden plates for mouth and hand. Na kaku we kaku everything. So I cannot afford to redo anything.

If I had to redo my foundation in a place like Lagos or Abuja, men na money be that. So, I carefully choose site. I first used grader and roller to level/compact the sloping site for two days before excavation. Someone else would have done cut and fill which is equally good but what compacts the excavated soil is the difference.

I also have option of playing around with different levels but I ended up doing only 6" step down from the guest area to the family area. I no fit dey climb stairs when I'm old.

Lastly, the option to do a ground beam was unanimously decided on site because I'm in building too close to a stream and (2) because of lateral pressure when ponding and compacting the fills; (3) there's constant blasting of limestone at least twice a day in my area.
I just asked the guys to buy pako, iron rods, cement and shaperly, shaperly we raft the foundation at the back to the left and right side of the building.
Interestingly, a part of the raft bulged out. I quickly put my creative sense to work and turn it into a flower trough.

______
Pics - the ground beam and the bulge part of the raft that was turned into a flower trough.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by olumide4christ: 8:43pm On Dec 26, 2015
brabus:
Oga Olu, how come I do not have you in my contact? Your details bro.

Me, I no get silver spoon nor golden plates for mouth and hand. Na kaku we kaku everything. So I cannot afford to redo anything.

If I had to redo my foundation in a place like Lagos or Abuja, men na money be that. So, I carefully choose site. I first used grader and roller to level/compact the sloping site for two days before excavation. Someone else would have done cut and fill which is equally good but what compacts the excavated soil is the difference.

I also have option of playing around with different levels but I ended up doing only 6" step down from the guest area to the family area. I no fit dey climb stairs when I'm old.

Lastly, the option to do a ground beam was unanimously decided on site because I'm in building too close to a stream and (2) because of lateral pressure when ponding and compacting the fills; (3) there's constant blasting of limestone at least twice a day in my area.
I just asked the guys to buy pako, iron rods, cement and shaperly, shaperly we raft the foundation at the back to the left and right side of the building.
Interestingly, a part of the raft bulged out. I quickly put my creative sense to work and turn it into a flower trough.

______
Pics - the ground beam and the bulge part of the raft that was turned into a flower trough.
Well, my details are in my signature. Happy new year in advance.

Regards.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by erico2k2(m): 9:16pm On Dec 26, 2015
EgunMogaji:
Yeah that's what I meant. I guess I need to start using the word level.

Verdict on the soil?
Well condemned sharp was the winner as it needs little compacting plus does not drag water from beneath via capillary action. .I was quoted 18 here for the 10 tyres truck.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by adanny01(m): 10:33pm On Dec 26, 2015
olumide4christ:
I completely agree with you Mr. Brabus.

Double wall and capping beam was used at my project at Lugbe, Abuja. The approach portion of the building was about 6-7 coaches high due to the slopy terrain of the site and the closeness to a small stream, so we used a double wall on all the front perimeter, part of the left and right side perimeter and some internal walls, and then tied the columns in foundation with a capping beam on top of the double wall. We also filled the double walls with weak concrete & broken blocks.

It made the foundation cost much more but just like you said, its better to get it right from the onset than doing maintenance/corrective measures later.
I have the view that double wall is not necessary for a foundation of a house especially when the depth of fill is less than 2m. Tie-beams at every 1m height of foundation is more than enough to brace the foundation against lateral backfill forces.

My reason is based on professional judgement. The volume of backfill for a house which has partitions will be different from the same wall height used as a retaining wall for a filling station or parking lot. Therefore the house will experience less pressure on the wall than if used for other uses without internal partitions. Partition foundation walls are linked so will also act as assisting retaining walls to the external walls that faces most of the lateral forces. If the foundation in question had no internal partitions, i would agree that a double wall could serve as insurance but in this case, its absolutely unnecessary and i regard it as planned waste of effort.

This view can be proven with structural calculations if i put effort to it. Its not that you will use a sheep foot compactor on the house, will you?
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 11:16pm On Dec 26, 2015
adanny01:
I have the view that double wall is not necessary for a foundation of a house especially when the depth of fill is less than 2m. Tie-beams at every 1m height of foundation is more than enough to brace the foundation against lateral backfill forces.

My reason is based on professional judgement. The volume of backfill for a house which has partitions will be different from the same wall height used as a retaining wall for a filling station or parking lot. Therefore the house will experience less pressure on the wall than if used for other uses without internal partitions. Partition foundation walls are linked so will also act as assisting retaining walls to the external walls that faces most of the lateral forces. If the foundation in question had no internal partitions, i would agree that a double wall could serve as insurance but in this case, its absolutely unnecessary and i regard it as planned waste of effort.

This view can be proven with structural calculations if i put effort to it.
You made valid points and I personally agree with you but let me to show you more of the area in question. Also, that I'm doing it doesn't mean that I believe that the wall will fail but just to apeace site workers at a negligible cost to me.

The area that the wall is holding back is an unbroken 32 feet by 16 feet. See attached. Red shows subject area, yellow shows suggested double wall.

As stated before if I wasn't sitting at my desk 8,000 miles away and only after seeing the lot maybe 5 times then underestimating the slope, I would have opted for an elevated bungalow and used the slope as underground parking. Part of life lesson and I assure all that it will never happen again for sizzles grin

Thanks for your time.

Disclaimer: My Architect and builder did nothing wrong and I own this issue fully as the General Contractor.

https://villageheadmaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/DWall.png
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by adanny01(m):
EgunMogaji:
You made valid points and I personally agree with you but let me to show you more of the area in question. Also, that I'm doing it doesn't mean that I believe that the wall will fail but just to apeace site workers at a negligible cost to me.

The area that the wall is holding back is an unbroken 32 feet by 16 feet. See attached. Red shows subject area, yellow shows suggested double wall.

As stated before if I wasn't sitting at my desk 8,000 miles away and only after seeing the lot maybe 5 times then underestimating the slope, I would have opted for an elevated bungalow and used the slope as underground parking. Part of life lesson and I assure all that it will never happen again for sizzles grin

Thanks for your time.

Disclaimer: My Architect and builder did nothing wrong and I own this issue fully as the General Contractor.

https://villageheadmaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/DWall.png
The sketch explains a lot. The proposal is minimal and may serve just right even though the best would have been the beams but for its cost.

If you will do this, do it right. That entails filling the block holes and the space between the two walls with lean concrete. Broken blocks and stones are not allowed.

I advise you calculate and compare the cost of the 2 methods and if close, chose the beam unless your budget limits you.

My skepticism with the double wall you proposed is that the new wall will not be properly braced and when lateral forces of the backfill acts on it, its own weight (dead load) may act as a load on the main walls. Imagine it like 2 upright Diminoes with one leaning on the other, with no support both will go down. In this case, you should consider tie beams for the portions you proposed double wall as a better, safer and probably cheaper option.

Modification:
On the right bigger portion with proposed 32 x 16ft wall, i see 5 columns. If you tie those 5 beams, it will stabilize that portion more that a double wall. The other side has just 2, but i prefer placing a beam there than a new wall.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody:
adanny01:
The sketch explains a lot. The proposal is minimal and would serve just right even though the best would have been the beams but for its cost.

If you will do this, do it right. That entails filling the block holes and the space between the two walls with lean concrete. Broken blocks and stones are not allowed.

I advise you calculate and compare the cost of the 2 methods and if close, chose the beam unless your budget limits you.

My skepticism with the double wall you proposed is that the new wall will not be properly braced and when lateral forces of the backfill acts on it, its own weight (dead load) may act as a load on the main walls. Imagine it like 2 upright Diminoes with one leaning kn the other, with no support both will go down. In this case, you can also consider tie beams for the portions you proposed double wall as a better and safer option.
Thank you. I'll pass all this along to my builder as I won't be on the ground for the repair though I requested pictures of each stage.

The dead load concern actually makes sense to me. Sort of like we might be adding even more weight to what the original wall will have to hold if the new wall fails.

Thanks for your time.

PS: Attached is what I drew in SketchUp. If this fix would turn up being elaborate then I would redo it and plant the attached instead.

https://villageheadmaster.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/IMG_2969.jpg
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 6:29am On Dec 27, 2015
Lateral support | My concern

The walls of the foundation of a building should have horizontal lateral supports to restrict movement of the wall at right angles to its plane.
This helps to transfer lateral forces from walls to buttressing walls.

Think of this as a slab, will you be comfortable to place your slab on the block walls. What about shear? The filling go support am beneath? I've once shared a video of what happened beneath a slab within one year after Sandfilling.

A beam round the foundation helps distribute the load without worries and also firmly secure the columns to prevent wall from failure at the right angles. This may not be a fix for the immediate but for the future.

Also, I'll suggest horizontal partition for every 36m2 to help prevent the floor slab from caving in. Breaking large cells into smaller partition helps the floor. Me think 32ft cell is too wide.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody:
adanny01:
The sketch explains a lot. The proposal is minimal and may serve just right even though the best would have been the beams but for its cost.

If you will do this, do it right. That entails filling the block holes and the space between the two walls with lean concrete. Broken blocks and stones are not allowed.

I advise you calculate and compare the cost of the 2 methods and if close, chose the beam unless your budget limits you.

My skepticism with the double wall you proposed is that the new wall will not be properly braced and when lateral forces of the backfill acts on it, its own weight (dead load) may act as a load on the main walls. Imagine it like 2 upright Diminoes with one leaning on the other, with no support both will go down. In this case, you should consider tie beams for the portions you proposed double wall as a better, safer and probably cheaper option.

Modification:
On the right bigger portion with proposed 32 x 16ft wall, i see 5 columns. If you tie those 5 beams, it will stabilize that portion more that a double wall. The other side has just 2, but i prefer placing a beam there than a new wall.
I recognize the modification.

If I tied those 5 which is now actually 7, won't that raise that section in relation to the rest of the foundation?

Continued thanks.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m): 6:40am On Dec 27, 2015
EgunMogaji:
I recognize the modification.

If I ties those 5 which is now actually 7, won't that raise that section in relation to the rest of the foundation?

Continued thanks.
Remove one coach of block and fix beams.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by adanny01(m): 7:48am On Dec 27, 2015
EgunMogaji:
I recognize the modification.

If I tied those 5 which is now actually 7, won't that raise that section in relation to the rest of the foundation?

Continued thanks.
You will have to remove the last course for the section you want to tie with a beam.

Only concern is that the size of the beam will be 9x10". That is pretty large but so because its top level has to match with the rest of the foundation. It just means more concrete. If the beam where to go round the perimeter 9x6" beam would have sufficed.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by KolaShangOne(m): 8:47am On Dec 27, 2015
@adanny01 @EgunMogaji @brabus

If he wanted to go the beam way, I think he should have done that after about 4 courses then placing the last course of block. Now, cost wise, (carpentry, concrete work) the beam will have to go around the whole perimeter of this mammoth building.

Why do that when you can just have 4-5 courses of blocks to support a 6 course wall? About the Domino effect, there's usually a leg space (about 100mm or less) between the supporting wall and main wall. This allows any pressure from the expansion of clay to be absorbed before reaching the main wall. Fill this space with sharpsand.

This is why I advocate creating panels whenever there is a large unpartitioned portion. Helps to hold the main walls together.

@egunmogaji Just saw your mention. Was on my whole festivities "shebang"
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by brabus(m):
KolaShangOne:
@adanny01 @EgunMogaji @brabus

If he wanted to go the beam way, I think he should have done that after about 4 courses then placing the last course of block. Now, cost wise, (carpentry, concrete work) the beam will have to go around the whole perimeter of this mammoth building.

Why do that when you can just have 4-5 courses of blocks to support a 6 course wall? About the Domino effect, there's usually a leg space (about 100mm or less) between the supporting wall and main wall. This allows any pressure from the expansion of clay to be absorbed before reaching the main wall. Fill this space with sharpsand.
Good solution. But I always prefer the best construction method any day, any time. Had those areas been rafted from the very day 1, we won't be looking for a fix. And good enough the project hasn't gone past the stage where corrections can be effected.


Don't mind my stories. Here's another one to encourage people here.

Seascape Villa | Suspended Slab

The original design for Seascape Villa, which was agreed and budgeted for, was a raft foundation which was meant to be sandfilled, compacted and slabbed.
The decision to suspend the slab was taken when someone here on Nairaland raised an alarm that we are building too close to the Atlantic Ocean.
Immediately, I changed the plan to do the traditional raft. Opted for a suspended slab (almost 1.2m above natural ground level because of the site condition. I actually informed the client of the plan to make the modification and the attending cost to which he agreed and we moved on.

The cost wasn't the first thing on my mind. I told him "Bro, I'm building a structure that people will ask you who did this? We've got to do it right. Just give me the time." The client is here to prove me wrong.

The cost of Sandfilling was converted to building the slab and that solves the problem.

The same thing applied to Akoka Mixed Use Development, we never had to sandfill the foundation. We just did a slab and there was a basement. Chekitaut can attest to this. The filling sand he supplied were used to backfill. The site condition actually dictate the solution. Why sandfill a place where a 3 level building had sank?

Some solutions are makeshift or better put only sufficient for time being.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by adanny01(m): 11:41am On Dec 27, 2015
KolaShangOne:
@adanny01 @EgunMogaji @brabus

If he wanted to go the beam way, I think he should have done that after about 4 courses then placing the last course of block. Now, cost wise, (carpentry, concrete work) the beam will have to go around the whole perimeter of this mammoth building.

Why do that when you can just have 4-5 courses of blocks to support a 6 course wall? About the Domino effect, there's usually a leg space (about 100mm or less) between the supporting wall and main wall. This allows any pressure from the expansion of clay to be absorbed before reaching the main wall. Fill this space with sharpsand.

This is why I advocate creating panels whenever there is a large unpartitioned portion. Helps to hold the main walls together.

@egunmogaji Just saw your mention. Was on my whole festivities "shebang"
He doesnt have to go round. Like i said, tie beams around the anticipated stressed area will do.

Secondly, a retaining wall feels intense lateral earth pressure at its heel. The longer the foot the better for the wall. The second wall usually serves as additional heel to the main wall. Putting sand or allowing independent movement of the walls means the 2 of them are structurally independent which is pointless. You dont want the added wall to take all the stresses alone so you tie them together by pouring lean concrete between them making them one composite structural wall with increased footing to stand the earth pressure. They say 2 heads are better than 1.

However, tie beams at the top takes more than half the overturning stresses from the heel to the beam. It is more effective than adding more footing to the wall. See sketch below. The beam is a more direct and opposing force to the lateral earth pressure so it will be a better option anyday anytime.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by PeoplesArmy: 4:37pm On Dec 27, 2015
@Brabus, some questions about Chateau de Brabus

What type of paint is that and why was it preferred?
What brand or paint maker did you use?
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