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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by Empress2014(f): 7:08pm On Dec 28, 2015

Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by Afam4eva(m): 7:08pm On Dec 28, 2015

Achuwa1:
This present fg & nigerian navy is insane..
instead of nigeria navy to fish out those tht are doing bunkery,they are busy threatening the community tht has being over powered by the so called bunkery miscreant.
is it the community tht their land has being spilled with oil & have no where else to go source for their livelihood from tht will help the nigerian navy do their job.
the ss really need to know where they belong in this country coz they cannot be continually threatened in their ancestral homes & still on their God given oil,a word is a enough for the wise

That's the problems i've always had with the Nigerian government, whether at federal or state level. They are lazy and always seek the easiest way out. Instead of these buffoons to do their job which is to enforce laws, they prefer to take the easy way out by seizing the lands of indigenes.

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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by Bizibi(m): 7:11pm On Dec 28, 2015

Hahahaha,navy ke......all na fr paper!!!

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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by 9jatatafo(m): 7:13pm On Dec 28, 2015

Can the NN beat their chest not to be aiding this bunkerers? Fish the criminals out instead if threatening to take their ancestral lands. The court of law is there and we are in a democracy so the naval officer is just ranting

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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by franconian: 7:18pm On Dec 28, 2015*

For what, na military regime huh

It is common knowlegde that bunkeres work hand in hand with our armed forces...what will happen to the military, NN and police that have been aiding (by collecting cuts) bunkery all this while?

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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by MansaMoussa: 7:25pm On Dec 28, 2015

Will the ex generals involved in Artisanal Gold Mining in the North West lose their Lands too if caught?

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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by fm7070: 7:29pm On Dec 28, 2015

They should leave illegal refineries alone because the legal one has not been working for ages.

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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by Gaskia: 7:31pm On Dec 28, 2015

Sounds good but there is no law backing it. In a democracy, you dont marshal out policies by decrees and fiat.
My family own some landed properties in the hinterlands, I have not visited them for a long while, if a bad guy uses them for some illegal deal in my absence, how does that conote change of ownership to FG who aught to have provided security proactively?
Any attempt to impliment such order would cost the FG some millions as damages after this regime.

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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by Nobody: 7:33pm On Dec 28, 2015

A lot is wrong with this country I tell you. Many of the respondents above are potential thieves and oil bunkerers. Look at them giving excuses for such criminal acts.

This is akin to community policing, but those folks will rather join the bunkerers and get rich quick.

The locals better report bunkerers to the authorities or be charged for abetting crime and lose their lands.

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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by Nobody: 7:47pm On Dec 28, 2015

kenny987:
And all those terrorism/boko haram sympathisers that harbour d criminal elements or have been overpowered, how many have been threatened with d seizure of their ancestral lands? With all the illegal mining operations in the North who has threatened them this way? Is it even mentioned or recognised as an offence? Why does this government want to kill itself on oil and petroleum? To think there are half-assed creatures that support this...u are mistakes for human beings.

Do u not realise that those individuals are heavily armed and do not hesitate to kill those in the way of their business? Is it not the same reason a ministerial appointee during his screening baldly refused to talk about boko haram because he claimed to have family to protect? Someone with government protection o! Why then will d govt, with all machinery at its disposal to carry out investigations, arrest hoodlums and protect lives n property then seek to foist more hardship on the people?

It is high time supporters of this govt remind the General and his agents that this is a democracy and he must run the affairs of this nation with a humane face. If the govt and it's security parastatals cannot carry out their jobs without further destroying homes thereby engendering resentment and unrest then they better quit!

People like you is the reason why Nigeria is in the state it's right now. The federal government can't do anything tangible because people like you will always come out to criticize and what pains me most is that you guys don't criticize constructively.

Even if Buhari leaves the South and kills all the people in the North, people like you would still come out to say rubbish. When Buhari tries to do something great to make Nigeria better, guys like you don't hesitate to compare everything he does in the North with the South and vice versa.

What else do you want Buhari to do?

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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by Gaskia: 7:55pm On Dec 28, 2015

olukenzo:
A lot is wrong with this country I tell you. Many of the respondents above are potential thieves and oil bunkerers. Look at them giving excuses for such criminal acts.

This is akin to community policing, but those folks will rather join the bunkerers and get rich quick.

The locals better report bunkerers to the authorities or be charged for abetting crime and lose their lands.

Your thinking is in order but in law, you have to consider enforcability or implimetability of a law or an order. Dont forget that most of the oil facility bearing communities are languishing in poverty and most of them dont trust the FG (including all previous govts.), worse still, PMB recently lebelled them as the politically
inferior 5%. The FG has to earn their trust first then patriotism will be catalyzed.
Dont forget in a hurry that the SS n SE felt that the north did not support GEJ. Its a mutual distrust which must be cured if we are to succede as a nation. Unfortunately, PMB does not seem to be building bridges accross the cracks.

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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by Nobody: 7:56pm On Dec 28, 2015

modath:
Wailing children of hate will soon wake up to do what they know how to do best, without giving any conscious or rational thought to what must have prompted this...

Do not aid & abet economic sabotage & you are good... Being fingered as a tacit accomplice in a criminal operation has also been known to attract severe punishment...

ND already collect 13% derivation funds, they can't help themselves to more, their elected reps & guvs should be held responsible for any shortcoming ..

NNE how are you? Merry Xmas. How is the family? Hope Santa paid a visit

Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by Atk1nson(m): 8:06pm On Dec 28, 2015

babaijesha1:
please drive those people away from their communal lands Mr child of love & handover the land to the FG. Lets see how you will go about such without a bloody crisis, I can't understand how Nigerians fell so low because of partisan affiliations that they become so stúpid on purpose. No need explaining legal implications if such actions as that threat is to be implemented. I am a card carrying APC supporter but I use my head and I advice you use yours too when discussing publicly, whatever you do in private with your brain is your business

I hope you know some governors in the south had a law that enabled them expropriate/destroy buildings and properties used by kidnappers for their sinister act and no one made this much noise. I know this policy was pursued in Anambra at a point in time when kidnapping got to a crisis level, and it yielded results.

Provided it is within the ambits of the governments powers and due process is followed, it is sane and welcomed. Drastic times require drastic measures.

God bless Nigeria

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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by captain247: 8:13pm On Dec 28, 2015

Some individuals are piling up curses for PMB. He should open his eyes to see beyond else the catastrophy is unimaginable.

Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by neocortex: 8:19pm On Dec 28, 2015

Atk1nson:
I hope you know some governors in the south had a law that enabled them expropriate/destroy buildings and properties used by kidnappers for their sinister act and no one made this much noise. I know this policy was pursued in Anambra at a point in time when kidnapping got to a crisis level, and it yielded results.

Provided it is within the ambits of the governments powers and due process is followed, it is sane and welcomed. Drastic times require drastic measures.

God bless Nigeria

Your straw man argument is flawed, government destroyed kidnappers houses not the communities houses.
Guilty by geographical location is itself a grave injustice
which is only obtained in a jungle.
The difference is clear enough isn't it ?

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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by Nobody: 8:21pm On Dec 28, 2015

Gaskia:
Your thinking is in order but in law, you have to consider enforcability or implimetability of a law or an order. Dont forget that most of the oil facility bearing communities are languishing in poverty and most of them dont trust the FG (including all previous govts.), worse still, PMB recently lebelled them as the politically
inferior 5%. The FG has to earn their trust first then patriotism will be catalyzed.
Dont forget in a hurry that the SS n SE felt that the north did not support GEJ. Its a mutual distrust which must be cured if we are to succede as a nation. Unfortunately, PMB does not seem to be building bridges accross the cracks.

Ermmm...you lost me somewhere.

These are the issues I have with your submission, I'll try not to nitpick:

1. It's okay to become a thief if you're poor.
2. Niger Deltans are poor with NDDC, derivation, ministry of ND, numerous OIC CSR, etc, and this is Buhari's fault.
3. Bunkerers are kids who don't know it is a crime to vandalise other people's properties and steal, hence we must treat them with kids gloves.

The people in the ND are not necessarily hungry as you want to make us believe, people just want to get rich quick.

However, I agree this should be backed by some law and that the government should run further sensitisation campaigns to remind the people of the obvious dangers of ~~stealing~~ bunkering.

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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by Atk1nson(m): 8:31pm On Dec 28, 2015

neocortex:
Your straw man argument is flawed, government destroyed kidnappers houses not the communities houses.
Guilty by geographical location is itself a grave injustice
which is only obtained in a jungle.
The difference is clear enough isn't it ?

the underlying principle is the same sir, if a landlord allows his house to be used to perpetrate a crime, his property is siezed.

If the community allows their communal land to be used by bunkerers, their land will be seized.

It's in public interest.

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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by babaijesha1(op): 8:32pm On Dec 28, 2015

Atk1nson:
I hope you know some governors in the south had a law that enabled them expropriate/destroy buildings and properties used by kidnappers for their sinister act and no one made this much noise. I know this policy was pursued in Anambra at a point in time when kidnapping got to a crisis level, and it yielded results.

Provided it is within the ambits of the governments powers and due process is followed, it is sane and welcomed. Drastic times require drastic measures.

God bless Nigeria

you're talking of buildings and not entire communities. I dare say Anambra state isn't even keeping up with that policy anymore. I support punishing the perpetrators and not ridiculous statements like this one made by the navy

Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by banio: 8:45pm On Dec 28, 2015

Useless statement from a useless govt.

Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by jice(m): 8:45pm On Dec 28, 2015

[size=18pt]This government wants to set every part of the country on fire. Boko Haram in the North, Ipob in the East and resurrection of Egbesu in the South. Can't they think. All these could be achieved a step after another. This rush to do everything in one swipe is dangerous I bet you.[/size]

Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by kenny987(f): 8:45pm On Dec 28, 2015*

So the 'great' thing he can do is to threaten innocent people with seizure of their ancestral lands because someone committed an offence in the area? I asked, why are we not hearing d same threat against those that carry out illegal mining operations in the North?
Important laws like d Whistle Blower Protection Bill have not been passed to assure people of some protection if they successfully report oil bunkering agents so what do u expect them to do?

Is this the proper way to fight crime? When the FG wants to do something 'tangible' it will do so without threatening and impoverishing the people it is sworn to protect. In fact, when it provides infrastructure and invests in agriculture with sound people-oriented policies to pilot d affairs of the nation then such criminal activities will be easily checked cos people will be gainfully engaged/employed.

It is rather people like u that make Nigeria more rotten because u endorse draconian and ill-thought out policies that backfire because they impoverish d masses for d benefit of a few.

What else do I want Buhari to do? I want him to think beyond military action and forceful acquisition. I want him to look beyond sectional interests and work intelligently. If that is beyond him then he should hire young qualified people, form a think-tank then marshal out and implement workable policies that promote d interests and prosperity of the common man.

Weeee:
People like you is the reason why Nigeria is in the state it's right now. The federal government can't do anything tangible because people like you will always come out to criticize and what pains me most is that you guys don't criticize constructively.

Even if Buhari leaves the South and kills all the people in the North, people like you would still come out to say rubbish. When Buhari tries to do something great to make Nigeria better, guys like you don't hesitate to compare everything he does in the North with the South and vice versa.

What else do you want Buhari to do?

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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by Atk1nson(m): 8:47pm On Dec 28, 2015

babaijesha1:
you're talking of buildings and not entire communities. I dare say Anambra state isn't even keeping up with that policy anymore. I support punishing the perpetrators and not ridiculous statements like this one made by the navy

The idea is to get the community to maintain vigilance of their price heritage and not allow it to be used for criminality, just the way a landlord is expected to keeped vigilance over his priced property and not allow it to be a den for criminals.

if the community values its land, it should do the needful and maintain vigilance on its land. if not, a more competent person (FG) would administer it, just as they do for abandoned properties that become a threat to the safety of society

Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by holaralph(m): 8:49pm On Dec 28, 2015

Nigerians are the most difficult people to Rule.... Ahhh ahhh If Govt handle any case or matters with levity We will shout the govt is too hard and harsh, Some of us will say govt action is sectional where as there is no place all over the world that govt actions will go well with everybodyn when some are in support some will never support it. Nigeria My country with fastidious sets of People.

Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by jice(m): 8:52pm On Dec 28, 2015

Atk1nson:
The idea is to get the community to maintain vigilance of their price heritage and not allow it to be used for criminality, just the way a landlord is expected to keeped vigilance over his priced property and not allow it to be a den for criminals.

if the community values its land, it should do the needful and maintain vigilance on its land. if not, a more competent person (FG) would administer it, just as they do for abandoned properties that become a threat to the safety of society

You get comments like this from some selfish Yorubas . It is unfortunate that we are in a country where selfishness reigns

Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by akajos4real: 8:57pm On Dec 28, 2015

When we see them in our communities, let's go and report them to the authorities instead of collecting land rent from them to operate such illegal refineries in our villages. Nobody should complain when government takes their action. QED

Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by kenny987(f): 8:59pm On Dec 28, 2015

This is why state policing has been advocated cos indigenes of an area who better understand d terrain and culture of d ppl will work more effectively but this has been rejected. This will be a direct offshoot of regional autonomy but those who benefit from the sick federalism we run have trashed all efforts to remedy this including the CONFAB report. U are talking of d community maintaining vigilance when they are unarmed and without any protection so who saves their arses when heavily armed men come in reprisal for setting security forces on them?

U forget that a lot of security officials and highly placed politicians bankroll these people and so they even leak their intelligence reports thereby placing members of d community in harm's way. What has d govt done to clean itself up before venting on the people with federal might of seizure?

Atk1nson:
The idea is to get the community to maintain vigilance of their price heritage and not allow it to be used for criminality, just the way a landlord is expected to keeped vigilance over his priced property and not allow it to be a den for criminals.

if the community values its land, it should do the needful and maintain vigilance on its land. if not, a more competent person (FG) would administer it, just as they do for abandoned properties that become a threat to the safety of society

Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by kenny987(f): 9:07pm On Dec 28, 2015

akajos4real:
When we see them in our communities, let's go and report them to the authorities instead of collecting land rent from them to operate such illegal refineries in our villages. Nobody should complain when government takes their action. QED

In a situation where someone like u probably works and lives far away from ur hinterland hometown with poorly educated people at home, would u say this when u come home and see that ur people have been dispossessed of their traditional homes because the FG was too lazy to proactively apprehend criminals? In other words, u exonerate those who do not do their jobs to investigate and arrest criminals but just swoop in to seize lands....some of d security agents might even be in the know and share d proceeds! So will u be there to 'see and report'?

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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by Atk1nson(m): 9:08pm On Dec 28, 2015

jice:
You get comments like this from some selfish Yorubas . It is unfortunate that we are in a country where selfishness reigns

I won't stoop low to display your level of stupidity. I have made my opinion known, if you don't agree and you can't express urself as any normal person would, don't quote me.

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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by Gaskia: 9:18pm On Dec 28, 2015

@Olulenzo,

Your points below refer:

These are the issues I have with your submission, I'll try not to nitpick:

1. It's okay to become a thief if you're poor.
2. Niger Deltans are poor with NDDC and ministry of ND, numerous OIC CSR, etc, and this is Buhari's fault.
3. Bunkerers are kids who don't know it is a crime to vandalise other people's properties and steal, hence we must treat them with kids gloves.

1) Those doing bunkery are not the poor community people who the FG expect to do the policing. The bunkerers are a bunch of organized criminals with high military and foreign connections.

2) Niger Deltans are still very poor because its the politicians that run the show in NDDC and co, before it was the PDP contractors, today an APC apologist who saw nothing wrong in the looting and wrecklessness of Amaechi is now in charge of NDDC.
Just like the way the politicians in the north own oil blocs (TY Danjuma, Indimi, Lukman , Atiku, Mustaph and Dasuki etal) are extremely rich while their people our people are extremwly poor, it is so accross the country. It is continued, NO CHANGE.

3) Bunkerers should be treated with iron gloves. The security apparatus should focus on how to identify the criminals including those in support of ' CHANGE' instead of coercing the poor community poeple to do their own work while the exhibit their strength against IPOB, Bayelsa and Kogi elections.
This position is like telling the IDPs that the FG have confiscated their lands for allowing Boko haram to operate there. It is capable of causing further cracks in our proverbial nationhood.
I am yet to see concious effort to unite the divides.

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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by genpro2(m): 9:20pm On Dec 28, 2015

Achuwa1:
This present fg & nigerian navy is insane..
instead of nigeria navy to fish out those tht are doing bunkery,they are busy threatening the community tht has being over powered by the so called bunkery miscreant.
is it the community tht their land has being spilled with oil & have no where else to go source for their livelihood from tht will help the nigerian navy do their job.
the ss really need to know where they belong in this country coz they cannot be continually threatened in their ancestral homes & still on their God given oil,a word is a enough for the wise

Sir just some questions here, don't you think this illegal bunkering can as well further degrade the already damaged land? These illegal refineries how have they benefited their host community development wise? Is this the best way of eating from the National cake? If these activities persist what would be the resultant effect ecologically? Whom are the ultimate beneficiaries of this ilicit trade? In your own eyes what they are doing is it right and is this the best way to go about resource agitation?

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Re: Communities To Lose Land For Bunkering Activities by Nobody: 9:48pm On Dec 28, 2015

luvmijeje:
Kudos to the Nigeria navy. Hopefully this will be sustain.

And the yoruba omolile and alaye's will be encouraged to illegally extort from law abiding citizens of the same country?

Ok

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