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tunshe:
Islamophobia!

It could have been better stated that all immigrants must learn English.

Whether they learn English or not, a devilish mind will always heed to the call of Devils.

It has nothing to do with Islam, perhaps he meant Arabs.

Statement like this isn't different from that of Donald trump,hence, UK government has no justification debating on his stance. They are birds of a feather!

Ignorance,intolerance and religious sentiments are the symptoms of those who judge the action of a few on a multitude.

Islam is peace, it takes objectivity to accept.

lepasharon:
Muslims in The UK segregate themselves alot and hardly interact with non- Muslims. Very unlike black people

CoolUsername:
Before I engage your argument can you answer a simple question?

Saudi Arabia, the home of the islamic Holy City, Mecca follows pure sharia law. Over there, the law states that all atheists should be sentenced to death by decapitation.
Are you for or against this?

mobaladf:
Are you a muslim. If muslim is wholly peace, why iran and iraq dey fight even though they are both muslim.

tunshe:
Why are Catholics and Protestants fighting even though they are both Christains?

mobaladf:
Egbon them kill eachother? nope. They are not fighting, they are just trying to correct things that doesnt seems right. Iran & iraq fights and kill eachother. Asin bloody fights for decades. They call themselves brothers whereas killing each other. Guy u dnt ve point. Abeg go sleep and better still log out. Thnkx

kaboninc:
Hahahaha

Preye, is that the only thing you'd say?

I no wan disgrace myself for this bus say I dey laugh

kodded:

GreenWhiteGreen:
But they can recite quran from A to Z. We also have them in naija. Learning quran instead of going to school to have education. Mumu.

Banjoramos:
salaam ( peace unto you) the whole universe is full of evidence indicating that there is Allah (God) and that He is the Creator and Sustainer of all that exists. We can prove this by acknowledging that all this did not occur by accident in space. So if there is a creation, it logically follows that there is a Creator. As such it is up to Him to determine what the purpose of this creation is all about. God, in His Infinite Wisdom, has chosen to reveal this purpose and plan to us through the system of messengers and books.
We are not in opposition with the belief in God, but rather we are only bringing about a clarification and return to the more original concepts with Islam. We are all brothers in humanity as well as acknowledging that we come from Adam. The idea of being a Muslim brother or sister is that we are “brothers in faith.” we are not trying to deny God, His Books, His Angels and His Messengers, not at all. Islam is only making clear what the concept and relationship of Allah (God)is to us.


The concept of Allah

He is the Creator, but not created;

He Sustains, but is not sustained;

He exists, but never within what He created;

He has Divine Attributes, but they are the epitome or ultimate of that characteristic;

He has features, but they are not to be compared to what is in His creation. While He is Perfect in every aspect, His creatures (us) are not.


Allah is far Exalted above His creation and as such we should never try to make Him manifest somehow inside of anything or anyone. Regarding the status of angels, they are perfect. They obey every single command of Allah and never falter in their duties. The idea of the devil being a “fallen angel” is totally alien to Islam. The devil was elevated to worship Allah along with the angels, but he was not one of them.
Adam and Eve. Adam is created from clay, Eve is created from his rib (same as the Bible). The subject of the “sin of the forbidden fruit” is that both sinned. They repented and Allah accepted their repentance and forgave them. Sending them down out of Paradise to the earth was not a punishment from Allah for what they did. Rather, it was something that Allah had destined for them before He ever created them. All of this is a part of the Divine Plan of Allah to make the world a “testing ground” as it were, for them and all the humans that came after them.


Islam's stance on the purpose of this life. We are only in this existence for a short period of time to see if we will do one of two things: worship Allah as He has ordered, or worship something that He created. If we fulfill our obligation to Allah in worship and exert our efforts in offering Him sincere devotion, then He will forgive the other minor sins upon repenting to Him, and we would then be admitted to His Paradise in sha Allah.(If God will) On the other hand, if we do not fulfill our duty to Allah, then we would be thrown into total ruin by our own choice.


How can we know what Allah wants for us and how can we best achieve our goal, which is Paradise?

We cannot begin to guess the answer to this anymore than we can create ourselves in the first place.

We need guidance for this. Where do we obtain it? The only way possible is if Allah the Almighty reveals something to us .The Qur'an is the final revelation in a long series of revelations from Almighty Allah to mankind. It supercedes the previous revelations and as such replaces whatever might remain of them. So as the Bible is understood to be the “Old Testament” and “New Testament” then the Qur'an would be the “Final Testament” according to this type of labeling.


Part of the essential belief for the Muslim is to have firm faith in the fact that Allah, the Exalted, sent down the original revelations in the past. They include:


•Scrolls of Abraham

•Torah of Moses

•Psalms of David

•Gospel of Jesus

•The Glorious Qur'an to Muhammad


Each Prophet, peace be upon all of them, came only to bring the simple message of “There is no deity to worship throughout the entire creation, except Allah Who is the Creator but never in His Creation.”

Muslims are taught to elevate all the Prophets to a level of high honor and respect. We do not associate them with major sins and crimes. While we take all the Prophets to such a high degree in Islam, we do not make them as gods or demi-gods. So, Islam clears Prophet Lot of the crime of incest and Prophet David from committing adultery, and so on. Additionally, while taking these Prophets to such lofty status, Islam simply never approves of the status Jesus, peace be upon him, is held in Christianity, rather it returns him to the level that he mentioned about himself as being subject to the authority of Almighty Allah (God).


Their is distinction between Islam and what some Muslims do. Islam is a verbal noun. It is an action, something that you do. It means to surrender, submit, and obey Allah in sincerity and peace in all that we do while here on the earth. If someone does this, then he or she is a Muslim whether or not they know it. “Muslim” simply means the one who is performing the verb or action of “Islam.” Some people have the name “Muslim” while not actually fulfilling the title. So, we would separate the two words and understand that while “Islam” is perfect, those who try to do it (Muslims) are not perfect.

May Allah always make us see the truth as truth, and allow us to follow it, and see falsehood as falsehood and to abstain from it. Ameen

tunshe:
I think they are following the laws in the bible

Deuteronomy 13:6-11 ESV

“If your brother, the son of your mother, or your son or your daughter or the wife you embrace or your friend who is as your own soul entices you secretly, saying, ‘Let us go and serve other gods,’ which neither you nor your fathers have known, some of the gods of the peoples who are around you, whether near you or far off from you, from the one end of the earth to the other, you shall not yield to him or listen to him, nor shall your eye pity him, nor shall you spare him, nor shall you conceal him. But you shall kill him. Your hand shall be first against him to put him to death, and afterward the hand of all the people. You shall stone him to death with stones, because he sought to draw you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. ...

2 Chronicles 15:13 ESV

But that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman.

I AM WAITING FOR YOUR DEBATE!!! Don't run....bring it on.

tunshe:
Islamophobia!

It could have been better stated that all immigrants must learn English.

Whether they learn English or not, a devilish mind will always heed to the call of Devils.

It has nothing to do with Islam, perhaps he meant Arabs.

Statement like this isn't different from that of Donald trump,hence, UK government has no justification debating on his stance. They are birds of a feather!

Ignorance,intolerance and religious sentiments are the symptoms of those who judge the action of a few on a multitude.

Islam is peace, it takes objectivity to accept.

sexyexcalibur:
just deport all muslims ...

tunshe:
Olodo......read and be liberated. 8 million casualties!!!

mobaladf:
Guy let me give you a hints. Its not about religion, its about your heart. are you truly serving the God you believe in. All these are just practicing religion including christians and muslims

mobaladf:
Egbon digest and read bible bfor quoting it. Deuteronomy 13:6-11
Means that if they tried to force or make you serve other Gods.
2 Chronicles 15:13 NLT version
They agreed that anyone who refused to seek the LORD, the God of Israel, would be put to death--whether young or old, man or woman.

It means those people living in isreal agreed to do that not God says. And if you read the bible from the beginning you will understand. And do you know that when jesus came in New testament he cleared away some wrong teachings or commandments. Example moses - an Eye for an eye.

Even though it is in the bible, ve ever see a Christian practicing that. Of cuz it is in the Qu'ran and they practice such religions. Christian and Muslim is not about religion it is about your heart. Is your heart with God. There are some things we shud not practice and christian ve realized to do that. But the muslims do it. Like killing those that does not accept their God.

dearpreye:
Hahaha......I no dey do mindless religion again oooo.....

Me no get too much to say on that topic abeg.....LOL!

kaboninc:
Lol

You sef. You own dey.
Na wetin come make you tag that whole comment as lie? Lol

Trust say you dey gallant

tunshe:
Islamophobia!

It could have been better stated that all immigrants must learn English.

Whether they learn English or not, a devilish mind will always heed to the call of Devils.

It has nothing to do with Islam, perhaps he meant Arabs.

Statement like this isn't different from that of Donald trump,hence, UK government has no justification debating on his stance. They are birds of a feather!

Ignorance,intolerance and religious sentiments are the symptoms of those who judge the action of a few on a multitude.

Islam is peace, it takes objectivity to accept.

dearpreye:
I love your signature. Make we talk business; I need what you know. Carry me along, brother.

kaboninc:
I'll pm you my WhatsApp digit.

dearpreye:
No wahala. Many thanks.

tunshe:
Islamophobia!

It could have been better stated that all immigrants must learn English.

Whether they learn English or not, a devilish mind will always heed to the call of Devils.

It has nothing to do with Islam, perhaps he meant Arabs.

Statement like this isn't different from that of Donald trump,hence, UK government has no justification debating on his stance. They are birds of a feather!

Ignorance,intolerance and religious sentiments are the symptoms of those who judge the action of a few on a multitude.

Islam is peace, it takes objectivity to accept.

tunshe:
Islamophobia!

It could have been better stated that all immigrants must learn English.

Whether they learn English or not, a devilish mind will always heed to the call of Devils.

It has nothing to do with Islam, perhaps he meant Arabs.

Statement like this isn't different from that of Donald trump,hence, UK government has no justification debating on his stance. They are birds of a feather!

Ignorance,intolerance and religious sentiments are the symptoms of those who judge the action of a few on a multitude.

Islam is peace, it takes objectivity to accept.

Draxler:
For people to stop being afraid of you Muslims. The majority of you that are peaceful should speak out. Not just by saying that Islam is peace, but by publicly condemning acts of terrorism EVERYTIME they occur to remind non-Muslims that Islam has a peaceful message. Right now the majority of you are quiet while the minority causing terror are very vocal, therefore putting people in fear of your peaceful religion. If you can do this people will begin to disassociate Islam with Terrorism.

xage:
The Qur'an learners you mock on earth will mock you in the hereafter on your way to hell

Mark this in your memory

tunshe:
Are you afraid of your friend who is a Muslim? Your course mates or colleagues at work? The food seller on your street? The aboki that shines your shoe? ......

Banjoramos:
salaam ( peace unto you) the whole universe is full of evidence indicating that there is Allah (God) and that He is the Creator and Sustainer of all that exists. We can prove this by acknowledging that all this did not occur by accident in space. So if there is a creation, it logically follows that there is a Creator. As such it is up to Him to determine what the purpose of this creation is all about. God, in His Infinite Wisdom, has chosen to reveal this purpose and plan to us through the system of messengers and books.
We are not in opposition with the belief in God, but rather we are only bringing about a clarification and return to the more original concepts with Islam. We are all brothers in humanity as well as acknowledging that we come from Adam. The idea of being a Muslim brother or sister is that we are “brothers in faith.” we are not trying to deny God, His Books, His Angels and His Messengers, not at all. Islam is only making clear what the concept and relationship of Allah (God)is to us.


The concept of Allah

He is the Creator, but not created;

He Sustains, but is not sustained;

He exists, but never within what He created;

He has Divine Attributes, but they are the epitome or ultimate of that characteristic;

He has features, but they are not to be compared to what is in His creation. While He is Perfect in every aspect, His creatures (us) are not.


Allah is far Exalted above His creation and as such we should never try to make Him manifest somehow inside of anything or anyone. Regarding the status of angels, they are perfect. They obey every single command of Allah and never falter in their duties. The idea of the devil being a “fallen angel” is totally alien to Islam. The devil was elevated to worship Allah along with the angels, but he was not one of them.
Adam and Eve. Adam is created from clay, Eve is created from his rib (same as the Bible). The subject of the “sin of the forbidden fruit” is that both sinned. They repented and Allah accepted their repentance and forgave them. Sending them down out of Paradise to the earth was not a punishment from Allah for what they did. Rather, it was something that Allah had destined for them before He ever created them. All of this is a part of the Divine Plan of Allah to make the world a “testing ground” as it were, for them and all the humans that came after them.


Islam's stance on the purpose of this life. We are only in this existence for a short period of time to see if we will do one of two things: worship Allah as He has ordered, or worship something that He created. If we fulfill our obligation to Allah in worship and exert our efforts in offering Him sincere devotion, then He will forgive the other minor sins upon repenting to Him, and we would then be admitted to His Paradise in sha Allah.(If God will) On the other hand, if we do not fulfill our duty to Allah, then we would be thrown into total ruin by our own choice.


How can we know what Allah wants for us and how can we best achieve our goal, which is Paradise?

We cannot begin to guess the answer to this anymore than we can create ourselves in the first place.

We need guidance for this. Where do we obtain it? The only way possible is if Allah the Almighty reveals something to us .The Qur'an is the final revelation in a long series of revelations from Almighty Allah to mankind. It supercedes the previous revelations and as such replaces whatever might remain of them. So as the Bible is understood to be the “Old Testament” and “New Testament” then the Qur'an would be the “Final Testament” according to this type of labeling.


Part of the essential belief for the Muslim is to have firm faith in the fact that Allah, the Exalted, sent down the original revelations in the past. They include:


•Scrolls of Abraham

•Torah of Moses

•Psalms of David

•Gospel of Jesus

•The Glorious Qur'an to Muhammad


Each Prophet, peace be upon all of them, came only to bring the simple message of “There is no deity to worship throughout the entire creation, except Allah Who is the Creator but never in His Creation.”

Muslims are taught to elevate all the Prophets to a level of high honor and respect. We do not associate them with major sins and crimes. While we take all the Prophets to such a high degree in Islam, we do not make them as gods or demi-gods. So, Islam clears Prophet Lot of the crime of incest and Prophet David from committing adultery, and so on. Additionally, while taking these Prophets to such lofty status, Islam simply never approves of the status Jesus, peace be upon him, is held in Christianity, rather it returns him to the level that he mentioned about himself as being subject to the authority of Almighty Allah (God).


Their is distinction between Islam and what some Muslims do. Islam is a verbal noun. It is an action, something that you do. It means to surrender, submit, and obey Allah in sincerity and peace in all that we do while here on the earth. If someone does this, then he or she is a Muslim whether or not they know it. “Muslim” simply means the one who is performing the verb or action of “Islam.” Some people have the name “Muslim” while not actually fulfilling the title. So, we would separate the two words and understand that while “Islam” is perfect, those who try to do it (Muslims) are not perfect.

May Allah always make us see the truth as truth, and allow us to follow it, and see falsehood as falsehood and to abstain from it. Ameen

mufutau55:
Not bad... everyone must speak the language of the land...
BUT what about the CHRISTIAN, HINDUS, JEWISH (etc.) women who cannot speak English? There are plenty of them too. Will they be exempted?
Make the requirement general for everyone... It's beneficial to everybody.


Hajji M.

Excuzeme:
Honestly, you tried to sound and remain "rational" but after reading all you wrote, l can conclude that:

Islam is just an attempt to be different, by trying to copy the original but doing it in a way that its not caught, so to speak.

You claim Allah sent down "original revelation" in a long list including the Bible: If this is true, that means whatever God sent down AFTER the "initial ones" He had sent earlier, CANNOT BE IN CONFLICT with what he would send AFTER since God cant be an author of confusion or be confused Himself. But closer examination of Islamic belief shows that it is RADICALLY DIFFERENT from what God has sent down "earlier", in the Bible!
Bible makes it clear that Jesus is THE SON OF God.
Yet, Islam is talking about "elevation and status"! Utter rubbish.
Bible says in the image of God we are made ... yet you say No human can have God's form.
Bible says No one can reach God, except he believes in Jesus whom he sent.... yet you are talking about reaching paradise without Jesus?

No where in the Bible was the issue of 72 virgins waiting for anybody in paradise ever mentioned. Infact, it is ridiculous that something so "canal" would be a motivating factor for serving God and it is this warped notion that fuels the ra.pe of the innocent in 'vanquished lands' raided by Islamic terrorists like DAISH/IS.IS

Anyone with any level of circumspection , and who wants to be objective, can see that Islam is just trying to "justify and legitimise" itself by attaching some factual, Biblical truths, into its own narrative.

The fact that it is a very recent religion, it needed "something historically-established", to validate itself.

While we all accept and recognise the right of Islam to exist as a religion, to have adherents and to have its own "history" and be considered on same level as any other religion, we also think it can do all these without distorting the "established history" of other religions, playing "attachee" or injecting itself into their narrative!

Jesus has nothing to do with Mohammed or Issah, ....Jesus is the Only begotten son of God, the Word of God and was with God. Jesus Christ is Christianity. End of story