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HARDDON:
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I wud not trade words with u. Nonetheless, those who think theworld is about bread n butter live with unnecessary loads n die like chicken. Whether uaccept it or not, the world is evil . Itz either light, or darkness, forces Good n evil, no inbtwn. Free thinkers r nida here nor there n therefore,makes easy prey.

I am mentally sound, physically fit, May God Open ur eyes to behold d light .

U r blessed

Easy prey for what? both christians, muslims and atheists go through good and bad situations... how do u say unbelief makes atheist easy prey... easy prey to what?

sorry for the insult though.

frank317:
Easy prey for what? both christians, muslims and atheists go through good and bad situations... how do u say unbelief makes atheist easy prey... easy prey to what?

sorry for the insult though.

Nope, Christians that know their onion and who they r in Christ don't go tru stuffs others go tru. They take charge early hours of the day n b4 they sleep @ night, shape the day with their words b4 stepping out night as their head in rest they lay.. wicked people imitate this it is called incantations
If a Christian ever goes tru some strange situation, God let it so they can grow in the walk with God or it is out of lack of understanding. For it is written "....for my people r distroyed for lack of knowledge"


I hold no grudge gee, be blessed

HARDDON:
Nope, Christians that know their onion and who they r in Christ don't go tru stuffs others go tru. They take charge early hours of the day n b4 they sleep @ night, shape the day with their words b4 stepping out night as their head in rest they lay.. wicked people imitate this it is called incantations
If a Christian ever goes tru some strange situation, God let it so they can grow in the walk with God or it is out of lack of understanding. For it is written "....for my people r distroyed for lack of knowledge"

what is this one saying?ً



what it's

HARDDON:
Nope, Christians that know their onion and who they r in Christ don't go tru stuffs others go tru. They take charge early hours of the day n b4 they sleep @ night, shape the day with their words b4 stepping out night as their head in rest they lay.. wicked people imitate this it is called incantations
If a Christian ever goes tru some strange situation, God let it so they can grow in the walk with God or it is out of lack of understanding. For it is written "....for my people r distroyed for lack of knowledge"

what is this one saying?

if a 'not too' strong xtain is going through a bad situation they say his faith is not strong enough

if its a 'strong one' they say its gods will

in the real world bad stuff happens to anyone at anytime regardless of ur religious affilitions

its simply part of nature

HARDDON:
Nope, Christians that know their onion and who they r in Christ don't go tru stuffs others go tru. They take charge early hours of the day n b4 they sleep @ night, shape the day with their words b4 stepping out night as their head in rest they lay.. wicked people imitate this it is called incantations
If a Christian ever goes tru some strange situation, God let it so they can grow in the walk with God or it is out of lack of understanding. For it is written "....for my people r distroyed for lack of knowledge"

lol.. you are making no sense and you know it.

lol @ Strange situation. So you accept that Christians go through strange(bad) situation even after taking charge at the early hours of the day but some how your mind believes that God allows it? Seriously, I don't get how you christians think. My friend: weather this your God allows it or not, the bottom line is that both christians, muslims and atheists go through strange situations, you can attribute whatever u like to ur strange situation but that does not take of the fact that u passed through some shitttt anyway.

I have not fallen sick since 2007. The last time i prayed was 2010... its just life, it does not mean that one day i will not be sick. but I enjoy it while it last. Many christians, and pastors around me have fallen sick despite their prayers... stop twisting facts o suit ur twisted belief.

HARDDON:
Nope, Christians that know their onion and who they r in Christ don't go tru stuffs others go tru. They take charge early hours of the day n b4 they sleep @ night, shape the day with their words b4 stepping out night as their head in rest they lay.. wicked people imitate this it is called incantations

What are some of those "strange situations" christians don't go through. Could you name them?

johnydon22:
This remains the point, you owe no one an apology but the person who your action is directly directed to.

We do not need forgiveness from God(s) over our relationship with one another but rather we need forgiveness from ourselves and all others around us who are victims of our ill action.

Our loyalty should more be to our own kind than to vague concepts

And now I ask you Nobel sir. Where did the concept of forgiveness come from? As am made to understand from my Bible, until God told me to forgive others who hurt me, I never knew I needed their forgiveness. Or that I owe them any kind of forgiveness.
This brings us back to Moral law and a moral law giver.
God commands that I forgive, because I also will offend my fellow man someday. And i have offended God by reasons of my sins against him, and he has forgiven me, he then demands or Commands that I do the same to kthers. Without his commandment , I won't have the consciousness of wrongdoing. I want to know where the consciousness of wrongdoing emanated from.

johnydon22:
[b]It is a normal mantra both in Islam and Christianity and many other religions around for people to seek forgiveness from God(s) for their actions towards one another. . This is a way to rid the culpable of the responsibilities of their actions towards others.

Such ideas not only is it disturbing but is a societal vice and a detriment to the well being of a societal system.

I have once mentioned this on my diary, an instance where i heard a female pastor giving prayer line to her congregation said ..

"Let us ask God for forgiveness for anyway we sinned against him by offending a fellow human "

As a normal occurrence as this, it is a ridiculous idea..

Why should humans beg their respective God for forgiveness and not the actual victims of their ill action?

We humans live in societies and this one reality inclines us towards modifying our actions in relation to others around us. Forgiveness is a vital aspect of human socialism because it ensures continuation of societal relationships.

But to who?

Consider these examples.

You offended Mr A. afterwards feels the weight of your actions towards him and seek to gain closure. You enter your room, church, mosque or confess to a priest. then beg God for forgiveness while Mr A. who is the real victim of your actions is still hurting from the effects of that action?

Is this really forgiveness?

On a second instance you offend Mr A. Afterwards feels the weight of your actions towards him and to gain closure you go back to Mr A and ask for his forgiveness...

Who out of the two instances actually gained forgiveness and which out of the two instances would you agree is necessary for continual mutual societal relationship?

Should humans seek forgiveness from deities or rather should that act of contrition be exercised towards the actual victims of our ill actions?

[color=#007700]This is one of the disturbing dangerous ideas i have observed from religious practises, it leaves the culpable begging their respective God(s) for forgiveness instead of the actual victims of their actions.. [/color]

A woman once put up a defence for this, she said: "We ask forgiveness from God because by offending others we offend God therefore we need forgiveness from God.."

My reply to this was "Since by offending a fellow human you offend your God, doesn't it appeal to logic that by obtaining forgiveness from that same person you also gain it from your God?"

why should we leave the victims of our actions and seek to obtain forgiveness from deities?

It is an untold form of societal injustice, a lurking cankerworm to societal health and healthy relationship.

That selfish, unjust, unfair and absurd idea of begging a deity for forgiveness
instead of the one you offended in particular is a very dangerous aspect of
religious doctrines.

People should be honest enough to own up to their mistakes, own up to their
actions and their achievements.

Our actions are towards humans, and so our reconciliation always should be towards humans.

this is like covering a piece of dirt with a cloth deluding ourselves we have gotten rid of the dirt that is exactly the delusion one exercises when they ask their respective God for forgiveness to the detriment of the victim.

It is a pitiable reality that many humans cannot derive ethical directions from their relationship with others in the society but requires the prospect of torture and promise of reward from the claim of an external authority in order to exert ethical actions towards others. we are indeed a sorry lot.

Why should we care what deities lurking only in the pages of a book thinks of our relationship with fellow humans, why do we need such preposterous claims to modify our behaviours in relation with others in the society?

If we humans can be more loyal to ourselves and our society and less so to abstract concepts like deities then we would treat each other a little better ...

If people considered this, we wouldn't have people killing or discriminating against others in the name of deities..

Why should people delude themselves with the "forgiveness" mantra from their God(s) when the actual victims still bear the negative effects of their actions.

Another of this preposterous lines, one i find to be very idiotic is "It is the devil's handiwork"

Reveals a selfish human who cannot own up to the responsibility of their actions but needs an escape goat to heap the blame on.

Our actions are as a result of our own volition and not the string play of some devil puppeteer.

A rapist is not driven by any devil or the clothing of the victim, but only acted stupi_d because he is too stupi_d to stop himself from doing stupi_d things.

Shifting the goal post of blame from the culpable to a fictional escape goat is the worse form of psychological cowardice. I can never trust a person who blames a devil for his/her mistakes.

I am human, my actions are of my own volition. I neither blame a devil for my mistakes or give a deity credit for my achievements or that of mankind..

My actions good or bad are mine and my responsibility.


We live in a human society, our actions towards each other must gear towards mutual societal well being. Our actions are for ourselves and other humans in our society.

when we realize this, we will understand that we neither need forgiveness from angry deities but from ourselves and others around us, it is necessary for our own relationship. [/b]

This is a precise expression... well done

chacoonder:
This is a precise expression... well done

Thanks

Wow but several times, Jesus makes it clear that if you have wronged your neighbor you must settle the matter with him even before you pray. Or am l missing something here?
Besides the bible makes it clear that when you wrong your fellow human, you also wrong God. Joseph believed sleeping with potiphar's wife was both sin against his master and God, and l believe if he was to seek forgiveness, it would have involved both parties. You can't ask God for forgiveness without also making amends with the person. It's just like saying when you steal you have not only sinned against the person you stole from but against the state, or humanity, or nature(whichever you believe in).