Mckennedy:


Then why is Nzeogwu coup refers as an Igbo coup?

for the same reason i have spent the last ten yrs correcting the Yorubas i have had to sch and work with that i am Urhobo not Igbo.... one of the biggest failings of this nation called nigeria is the lumping up of 'minority' ethic groups with the nearest of the 'big' three to their ancestral lands...

ideykwum:


Even though I don't agree with this line of reasoning, the Anioma leaders were also included. Please read the accounts of the war.

Anioma leaders... very few... were consulted in the creation of biafra.... NOT in the planning of Nzeogwu's coup....

P.s. do you remember where KADUNA Nzeogwu was born and practically lived his whole life?

Huss evryone, let the day of referendum come first then we will know who will vote for or against biafra. I think most of us here on nairaland are mostly wasting our time while the leaders of thought from our lands are putting finishing touches to the plan of secession from Nigeria. And let me tell u guys down south that up nouth here, them are seriously preparing for that event. Even the current trend in the govt is seen by them as a way of preparing for the rainy days.

daxlasaint:


So as an Urhobo man from Delta state you are telling me am gonna have to become a biafran whether i want to or not? Or are you gonna give me immigrant status to stay in my own ancestral land? Is forcing people of other ethnicity into your agitation not the exact same thing you hold as your beef against the british? Well till such a time as when and if ever biafra becomes a reality let me hold my peace but i know if the day ever comes not an inch of non igbo ancestral land will be ceded to biafrans and am very sure this sentiment is not individual to me alone.

Cc: freemanan. My brother come see rubbish o!

Sometimes nt all thread we comment on .. i just learned hw to ignore NL Ipod, Just imagine 1 telling me am a Biafra if i like it or nt.. wat i dont understand is wat connection do i av witH Igbo or Biafra ?.. Well am patiently waiting for d day they start there biafra madness on non Igbo soil...

Amberon:
Oniovo, I'm urhobo too and I hate hearing this Biafra bull crap. Imagine our Igbo plumber came around the other day and he said that my entire family are Biafrans whether we like it or not

Don't tell me you didn't give him a hot slap

Goodboiyy:



Sometimes nt all thread we comment on .. i just learned hw to ignore NL Ipod, Just imagine 1 telling me am a Biafra if i like it or nt.. wat i dont understand is wat connection do i av witH Igbo or Biafra ?.. Well am patiently waiting for d day they start there biafra madness on non Igbo soil...

My brother na that day them go understand say nor be all fly when perch for butter nai be butterfly

hahahahaja... you want him to beat me?

Goodboiyy:

Don't tell me you didn't give him a hot slap

Amberon:
hahahahaja... you want him to beat me?

U nor they behave like waffi at all o.. u nor feet take on am ?.
shuoo

daxlasaint:


My brother na that day them go understand say nor be all fly when perch for butter nai be butterfly

They so much believe in lies been told by there director.
our position is clear no need arguing much

Goodboiyy:


They so much believe in lies been told by there director.
our position is clear no need arguing much

True yarns jare... no need to argue matter when nor get head

hahahaha... I'm a girl too, and I no sabi fight. but I get mouth she

Goodboiyy:


U nor they behave like waffi at all o.. u nor feet take on am ?.
shuoo

daxlasaint:


Because Ojukwu made his seccession move after consultation with the igbo leaders of that time.... and his actions therefore Represented the collective will of the igbo pple

Are you telling me that Ojukwu excluded the minorities during consultation?

Please educate me.

PhockPhockMan:

Are you telling me that Ojukwu excluded the minorities during consultation?

Please educate me.

Yes... i call on you to name the ndoni...efik... ikwerre... ijaw leaders of thoughts and trad rulers he consulted before he included them in biafra.... was there a referendum on whether they wished to secede with the igbos? AND in addition the aniomas werent even included in the original biafra until the biafran thrust for lagos which lead to the capture of the midwest for a short period of time... even then the administrator he put incharge still went ahead and declared the midwest as republic of benin... a republic which lasted mere days if not hours...

daxlasaint:


Yes... i call on you to name the ndoni...efik... ikwerre... ijaw leaders of thoughts and trad rulers he consulted before he included them in biafra.... was there a referendum on whether they wished to secede with the igbos? AND in addition the aniomas werent even included in the original biafra until the biafran thrust for lagos which lead to the capture of the midwest for a short period of time... even then the administrator he put incharge still went ahead and declared the midwest as republic of benin... a republic which lasted mere days if not hours...

Were you consulted before the amalgamation of the Northern and Southern protectorate took place in 1914? Did Sir Frederick Lugard meet with any of your ancestors to decide Nigeria's marriage? The Berlin Conference, I'm sure had YOU in attendance as they scrambled for Africa and sealed our fate by that singular meeting!?

Daxlasaint, I've been following your comments on this issue as much as I hate to comment publicly on these issues, I plead with you to take things easy especially the way you seem to be hauling harsh words on the Igbos and Biafra as it were.

Thanks.

amicable09:

Were you consulted before the amalgamation of the Northern and Southern protectorate took place in 1914? Did Sir Frederick Lugard meet with any of your ancestors to decide Nigeria's marriage? The Berlin Conference, I'm sure had YOU in attendance as they scrambled for Africa and sealed our fate by that singular meeting!?

Daxlasaint, I've been following your comments on this issue as much as I hate to comment publicly on these issues, I plead with you to take things easy especially the way you seem to be hauling harsh words on the Igbos and Biafra as it were.

Thanks.

My dear... go back and read my comments again... i have nothing but respect for igbos and their legitimate struggle for independence... what i am in opposition of is the fact that certain biafran agitators want to by the use of sheer force assimilate us the non igbos- non easterners into the proposed biafra.... i have not used any derogatory words to make my view known so it must really be an issue of you assuming my not wanting to be part of biafra means am anti igbo.... this is not and has never been true. Am sorry if i gave you reasons to think otherwise.

BTW... asking if we were consulted during the amalagmation is making my exact point for me.... it was wrong then as it would be wrong now to fold non biafrans into biafra without their explicit consent....

daxlasaint:


My dear... go back and read my comments again... i have nothing but respect for igbos and their legitimate struggle for independence... what i am in opposition of is the fact that certain biafran agitators want to by the use of sheer force assimilate us the non igbos- non easterners into the proposed biafra.... i have not used any derogatory words to make my view known so it must really be an issue of you assuming my not wanting to be part of biafra means am anti igbo.... this is not and has never been true. Am sorry if i gave you reasons to think otherwise.

BTW... asking if we were consulted during the amalagmation is making my exact point for me.... it was wrong then as it would be wrong now to fold non biafrans into biafra without their explicit consent....

And by so seeking your consent, IPOB leaders should register on Nairaland to have e-meeting with you guys shey

There are things that matters and some don't, buy even to some, the don'ts does to them...


All you will ask for is for a free and fair referendum in your Uhrobo nation but be well fortified to withstand the outcome of the referendum...


We no wan hear another headline of Otapiapia merciless killings...



Good Day!!!

daxlasaint:


My dear... go back and read my comments again... i have nothing but respect for igbos and their legitimate struggle for independence... what i am in opposition of is the fact that certain biafran agitators want to by the use of sheer force assimilate us the non igbos- non easterners into the proposed biafra.... i have not used any derogatory words to make my view known so it must really be an issue of you assuming my not wanting to be part of biafra means am anti igbo.... this is not and has never been true. Am sorry if i gave you reasons to think otherwise.

BTW... asking if we were consulted during the amalagmation is making my exact point for me.... it was wrong then as it would be wrong now to fold non biafrans into biafra without their explicit consent....

Sorry, I didn't go through the thread as I don't enjoy these topics on NL cos it generates more quarrel but then, have you seen the Biafran map?

My only concern stems from your comments which I've been following and the shares from you. Somehow you have managed to look for ways to call yourself a non-igbo man as if someone is forcefully trying to make you one. No one of us chose our tribe or country, why then are you acting like you are 'blessed' to be an Urhrobo man?

ideykwum:


Read history!! You're so wrong!! The Anioma started Biafra... via Nzeogwu's act!!

nzeogwu's coup has nothing to do with Biafra..it was the fallout of that coup that brought up the Biafra idea..nzeogwu was not a secessionist if you read your history well

amicable09:

Sorry, I didn't go through the thread as I don't enjoy these topics on NL cos it generates more quarrel but then, have you seen the Biafran map?

My only concern stems from your comments which I've been following and the shares from you. Somehow you have managed to look for ways to call yourself a non-igbo man as if someone is forcefully trying to make you one. No one of us chose our tribe or country, why then are you acting like you are 'blessed' to be an Urhrobo man?

Again you are reading your own meanings into my views.... am not claiming to be non igbo... I AM Non igbo and am not say am blessed to be non igbo... am jyst stating the simple truth cos i sched and currently work in a region where they think there are just 3 ethnic groups in nigeria.... is my affirmation of my ethnic an automatic snub on other ethnic groups? NO! As to the issue of me feeling like some is trying to forcefully make me an igbo man.... again you are misreading my intent... some people are trying to forcefully make me a BIAFRAN... And while i have nothing against the actualization of a peoples desire to be free of a forced marriage... i resent the constant inference that when that biafra comes we will be co opted into it, with or without our consent.... again let me re-iterate... i dont feel like my tribe is better than any other and my comments werent even based on tribal sentiments exept in response to mentions that made bringing ethnicity into the issue unavoidable.

RapLawd:




And by so seeking your consent, IPOB leaders should register on Nairaland to have e-meeting with you guys shey

There are things that matters and some don't, buy even to some, the don'ts does to them...


All you will ask for is for a free and fair referendum in your Uhrobo nation but be well fortified to withstand the outcome of the referendum...


We no wan hear another headline of Otapiapia merciless killings...



Good Day!!!

Pls explain in plain english... i dont understand the point you made here

asha80:
nzeogwu's coup has nothing to do with Biafra..it was the fallout of that coup that brought up the Biafra idea..nzeogwu was not a secessionist if you read your history well

ice cold heineken for you my guy

hhmm divide and rule at its height

daxlasaint:


Again you are reading your own meanings into my views.... am not claiming to be non igbo... I AM Non igbo and am not say am blessed to be non igbo... am jyst stating the simple truth cos i sched and currently work in a region where they think there are just 3 ethnic groups in nigeria.... is my affirmation of my ethnic an automatic snub on other ethnic groups? NO! As to the issue of me feeling like some is trying to forcefully make me an igbo man.... again you are misreading my intent... some people are trying to forcefully make me a BIAFRAN... And while i have nothing against the actualization of a peoples desire to be free of a forced marriage... i resent the constant inference that when that biafra comes we will be co opted into it, with or without our consent.... again let me re-iterate... i dont feel like my tribe is better than any other and my comments werent even based on tribal sentiments exept in response to mentions that made bringing ethnicity into the issue unavoidable.

Issokay.

That's the problem with reading views expressed by people on the internet, we may end up misinterpreting the original intent of the individual's mind. Let's uphold unity now more than ever before.

Have a great day, sharing more posts! *smiles. Keeping me current.

daxlasaint:


Pls explain in plain english... i dont understand the point you made here

Queen's linguistic has never been my favorite...


Employ someone for that...

RapLawd:




Queen's linguistic has never been my favorite...


Employ someone for that...

oya use pidgin biko

amicable09:

Issokay.

That's the problem with reading views expressed by people on the internet, we may end up misinterpreting the original intent of the individual's mind. Let's uphold unity now more than ever before.

Have a great day, sharing more posts! *smiles. Keeping me current.

... i like you believe in one Nigeria.... no freedom is worth a repeat of the civil war my dear... we should instead be fighting for true fedralism....

I will do my best to keep yoi current

Have a fab day yourself

asha80:
nzeogwu's coup has nothing to do with Biafra..it was the fallout of that coup that brought up the Biafra idea..nzeogwu was not a secessionist if you read your history well

Then you haven't read your history well. Causes are both direct and indirect. Biafra was born out of a desire by people (largely of the Eastern Region ) to seek for autonomy after the famous pogroms. The pogroms were a result of tribal sentiment and the perceived lopsided execution of the Nzeogwu coup. As leader of the coup, he was directly responsible for its results. Nzeogwu also fought on the side of Biafra. Check your history bro....

ideykwum:


Then you haven't read your history well. Causes are both direct and indirect. Biafra was born out of a desire by people (largely of the Eastern Region ) to seek for autonomy after the famous pogroms. The pogroms were a result of tribal sentiment and the perceived lopsided execution of the Nzeogwu coup. As leader of the coup, he was directly responsible for its results. Nzeogwu also fought on the side of Biafra. Check your history bro....

Pls dont miscontort his statement.... he was talking bout the intention of the coup not the unfortunate aftermath or Nzeogwu's part in the war.... concerning the coup, Nzeogwu himself said the coup was to save NIGERIA from the atrocities of the corrupt nigerian leaders at that time.... no where did he say he did it because he aspired to carve out a new nation from Nigeria.... funnily enough Ojukwu was one of the key figures in quelling that coup and keeping it from tearing the country apart along ethnic lines... pls explain if you can this flaw in the logic you are trying to push down our throats...

ideykwum:


Then you haven't read your history well. Causes are both direct and indirect. Biafra was born out of a desire by people (largely of the Eastern Region ) to seek for autonomy after the famous pogroms. The pogroms were a result of tribal sentiment and the perceived lopsided execution of the Nzeogwu coup. As leader of the coup, he was directly responsible for its results. Nzeogwu also fought on the side of Biafra. Check your history bro....

I say it again read and understand history well..in 'the Nigerian revolution and the biafran war' written by maj general Alexander madiebo he made it clear that nzeogwu was not favourably disposed to fighting that war as he did not believe in it...do you even know circumstances that led to his death? the surrender? Please if you read about nzeogwu well you wil know that he considered himself more as a northerner than igbo/anioma

asha80:
I say it again read and understand history well..in 'the Nigerian revolution and the biafran war' written by maj general Alexander madiebo he made it clear that nzeogwu was not favourably disposed to fighting that war as he did not believe in it...do you even know circumstances that led to his death? the surrender? Please if you read about nzeogwu well you wil know that he considered himself more as a northerner than igbo/anioma

Madiebo is even going far out.... Ojukwu's personal boographer during the war affirmed the same thing you just wrote

daxlasaint:


Pls dont miscontort his statement.... he was talking bout the intention of the coup not the unfortunate aftermath or Nzeogwu's part in the war.... concerning the coup, Nzeogwu himself said the coup was to save NIGERIA from the atrocities of the corrupt nigerian leaders at that time.... no where did he say he did it because he aspired to carve out a new nation from Nigeria.... funnily enough Ojukwu was one of the key figures in quelling that coup and keeping it from tearing the country apart along ethnic lines... pls explain if you can this flaw in the logic you are trying to push down our throats...

There is no flaw in my logic... and I'm not trying to push it down anyone's throat. You write in a confrontational manner, inferring that you are emotional about the subject...

Remove emotion and bias, and your understanding of my angle would improve. There are different perspectives to issues....

asha80:
I say it again read and understand history well..in 'the Nigerian revolution and the biafran war' written by maj general Alexander madiebo he made it clear that nzeogwu was not favourably disposed to fighting that war as he did not believe in it...do you even know circumstances that led to his death? the surrender? Please if you read about nzeogwu well you wil know that he considered himself more as a northerner than igbo/anioma

I have read Madiebo, and several other accounts (including revisionists and pro-fact). My view of Nzeogwu is a synthesis of accounts, and a person's view of himself is not necessarily the view of many, especially during sensitive moments of tribal chism. Let's not belabor this issue.... My take is that Nzeogwu has some responsibility for the Biafran war... and we can't wish that away. If Nzeogwu was popularly pro-North, why did he fight on the side of Biafra for a second? After all, Nnamdi Azikiwe refused to?

Thanks for arguing constructively and not resorting to the Nairaland stock in trade of abuse.