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| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by omohayek: 9:20pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
emeeco:The problem is that under this policy, bureaucrats and politicians get to decide what is "essential", rather than letting the market decide. This results in absurdities like Buhari and Emefiele banning chopstick imports as "non-essential", though such imports may be absolutely essential to top-tier tourist resorts that can draw in foreign dollars. Just because something doesn't seem "essential" to layman doesn't mean it's not essential to important domestic businesses. Leaving aside questions of economic efficiency, the other problem with such policies is that they create the very scope for the corruption that we all love to complain about. Who is more likely to have access to artificially cheap dollars, a struggling small or medium-sized manufacturer in Ibadan or Onitsha, or well-connected monopolist billionaires who already benefit from import waivers and convenient bans on competitors' inputs? We cannot say we want less corruption while giving politicians and civil servants the very tools to engage in it. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by abbey621(m): 9:21pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
Topeakintola:Good points but all these things work hand in hand. Diversification is a starting point in order to reduce our over dependence on oil which ultimately contributes to our importation syndrome. Infrastructure comes next with the stabilization of electricity and a more reliable transportation system, this will attract local and international companies to invest more in talents capable of delivering the technologies of tomorrow. For what's the use of training our university students in the latest technology when electricity, hunger, poverty and so on limits their potential ![]() |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by mikolo80: 9:23pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
seunmsg:that's what he said, inflation but not catastrophic |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by omohayek: 9:23pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
Topeakintola:Yes, Japanese society is cohesive alright - I've actually lived there and can attest to that at first hand - but another way of interpreting that is "conformist", often-times stiflingly so. Japan is also a rapidly aging society with an ever-shrinking working/fighting age population, bordered by such "friendly" countries as China, North Korea and Russia, all of which it has disputes with. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by mikolo80: 9:25pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
Wallie:as mentioned above. we have an export problem (read productivity problem),. PS those things are all in the ground but love of white collar job no gree us work hard to succeed |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by 14(m): 9:26pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
seunmsg:The best way is to leave the currency to float, like the south african Rand. it finds its own range. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by seunmsg(op): 9:30pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
omohayek:Nobody is advocating for a complete ban on lmportation. What we are saying is that importing almost everything, even items we can produce locally is not sustainable. If we are serious about growing our economy, we need to produce a large percentage of our needs locally. Beside, we don't even have the forex to maintain our previous level of importation hence the need to ration the available forex for strictly essential items. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by Topeakintola: 9:32pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
abbey621:Bro I agree with you. In the short term, there needs to be less reliance on oil We have to get the fundamentals right. Inadequate electricity provision is a great problem. This is an area that continues to stifle economic growth and investment. Interesting that you mention transportation. I went through Nigeria's commitment to reduce GHGs by 40% in the next 15 years which they submitted before the COP summit at Paris. The document suggests that they will create multi modal transport systems focusing on rail for both freight and passenger transport and also heavy investment in public transportation. All good on paper but as we all know, the problem is implementation. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by kayceelol: 9:33pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
I worked in a company packing tomato paste and i discovered that all the arguement above are all correct from where ever perspective you are looking at it. during a meeting with my chairman i discovered that virtually most of the manufacturers in nigeria imports all the raw materials used . for example in case of tomato,concentrate,foil,dextrin/corn starch,cartons are all imported directly or indirectly,the only additive that is not imported is salt Then with these new restrictions many companies will definitely shut down as cost of buying raw material is higher . In my candid opinion i think the govt should revisit the devaluation as prices will keep flying, as at this morning a bag of pure water already above N100 maybe when its 200 or 20/sachet then we know there is crises minimum wages in some states are well below N18000, how will average nigerian survive God Bless NIGERIA |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by Nobody: 9:33pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
Some of our imports * the concentrate used in canned tomato paste products that are produced locally is imported... * refined petroleum products (kerosene and petrol) * Laptops * Cell phones * Generators and machine parts * Sugar (st louis sugar) These products are used by everyone (rich and poor) and we import them. mikolo80: |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by abbey621(m): 9:34pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
Topeakintola:Correct....Implementation & maintenance, the international community shouldn't even allow us to give speeches anymore based on so many empty promises.... ![]() |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by Topeakintola: 9:40pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
omohayek:Another interesting point you have raised. I think that China just beat Japan at its own game. Japan was one of the first countries to engage the American hegemony of production. They focused on innovation, quality management and lower cost of goods relative to western products and services. China took advantage of globalization and concentrated on low cost mass production. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by mikolo80: 9:43pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
TeOwl:Hahahahahahaha you and all who use these things are among the 10% 'rich'. do you think it is everybody that use tomato puree, no many still grind with stone my dear friend. that you are fortunate to be civilised doesn't mean that majority are. travel. go to hinterland and see backwardness, you go fear poverty gap. most still drink garri without sugar, generator ke, cell phone, laptop loun loun. e be like say you never tey for village. you na ajebutter and that's how you will also get to power and plan for the elite instead of masses |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by Nobody: 9:50pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
Yea... you are right, I am also in support of encouraging local production. However, I am in support of the CBN not selling dollars to these importers.. for now dollars should only be for the essentials like chemicals for medicine and fuel (kerosene and petrol). mikolo80: |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by mikolo80: 9:55pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
TeOwl:chairman awa cup Don full, press down and shaken together. it's chicken roosting time. 'we ' need to start manufacturing and farming big time, asap (industrial parks because of insufficient power infrastructure) and rice wheat sugar and fish farming |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by phazotron(m): 10:21pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
omohayek:how many dollars does tourism bring in? ogbeni park well joor! |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by phazotron(m): 10:26pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
kayceelol:the federal government needs to meet with local manufacturers and immediately find out whatever raw materials they import and quickly set up factories to produce those same raw materials asap as in with highest priority and favorable credit facilities. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by phazotron(m): 10:30pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
just like wat u said let the govt quickly set up tomato processing plants corn starch production plants dextrose and foil production plants by themselves immediately to ensure output is not delayed. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by omohayek: 10:31pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
seunmsg:My point is that rationing is the wrong way to allocate the forex, as letting the Naira float will allow the market to do a better job. Those who need the forex will be willing to pay the most for it, rather than some civil servant or politician in Abuja deciding what is "essential" and what isn't. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by dozern(m): 10:31pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
I agree with you bros. But the major problem we still have in Nigeria that affects everything thing is tribalism. When is Nigeria government going to promote Aba manufacturers and nnewi automobile. When are we going to focus on reality instead of theory.Let Hausa go back to groundnut production. Let Yoruba go back to coaco and igbos go back to Palm oil production. But it suprised me to see a Yoruba man condemning Aba product just because it come from igbo land and vice versa. We are causing more problems to ourselves by not promoting our product |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by omohayek: 10:35pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
phazotron:Next time, how about trying to make an actual argument? Why would anyone want to visit a country where things are overpriced because of an ill-judged currency policy, and paying through the nose still only gets you substandard local "luxuries"? I suggest you take your own advice and "park well" if you lack the capacity to contribute anything meaningful to a discussion. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by phazotron(m): 10:41pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
how will u be advocating imports for tourism based or related industries? be sincere to urself how much does tourism contribute? oga our economic policy and other policies right now should be manufacturing centered Because that is our only salvation from this quick sand that is about to swallow us whole. guy think! |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by phazotron(m): 10:48pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
omohayek:oga if ure advocating free float then u better make sure that those that are willing to pay most of it are not manufacturers of essential products who need to import raw materials which is wat is happening now. ure assuming that its only importers of luxury items who need dollars. what of the likes of Honeywell dangote and golden penny who need to import wheat? or tomato paste companies that have to import concentrate? if they have to get it at free float price then ur argument is defeated. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by kazyhm(m): 10:58pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
seunmsg:honestly reality is far different from dreaming and book analysis 1, okonjo was snatched from world bank, yet could not systematically solve Nigeria economic problems 2, you compare our obodo Nigeria with country like Belgium n co. those are countries that had/have visionary leaders not those launching suggestion box like ours, travel all over the world enjoying what other citizen built and crippled every it's citizen effort to do same here 3, you shouldn't have analyze each economic factors individually because one wrongly tackled problem invite others 3, Nigeria have a peculiar problem- our leaders don't see reasons why Nigeria should be great, YES because if they do, we had made enough profit ( that even those countries you mention in your analysis can only dream of )from exportation of crude to better Nigeria but all the do is to take care of their skin and save for their child unborn. thanks |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by masseratti: 11:44pm On Feb 16, 2016 |
seunmsg:the writer's write up is brilliant, but as a PHD holder has should know that no big economy still practice fixed exchange rate,last country that did that was China,we must abandoned that system and let the naira float naturally in the market,currently the official rate is a scam. Workers salary increase is not the solution either,the last raise was a major cause of inflation,salaries were raised on all level,which is not the basis of minimum wage,if tomorrow the minimum wage is increased to 36,000 that shouldn't mean someone earning 100k should get 200k automatically, our labour unions sold us a dummy,the last election was dollarised by politicians,now the price of oil has gone down everyone is having heart attack. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by bfatoba(m): 2:09am On Feb 17, 2016 |
seunmsg:There's so much to take into account in this debate whether to devalue or not. I get what the Administration is trying to do in making the country and economy stronger. I disagree with OP when he says there isn't such a thing as A weak naira, or a strong Naira. The strength of your currency would determine, the influx of tourists/investors. All of a sudden, it might be more lucrative for Investors to manufacture in Nigeria, and hire nigerians rather than exporting to Nigeria. On paper, The Op's analysis is acceptable, but not practical. There's so much that needs to happen even before this becomes a major discussion point. But Nigeria loves to produce results without following the proper means of achieving the desired results. Imports equals Job-loss, lets assume that one tomato can equal 8 jobs, but importing that same tomato can will create 4 jobs instead. Alberta, Canada is a Province in North America, that is kind of going through almost the same thing that Nigeria is going through, complete dependence on Oil, Inflated Salaries, Inflated Housing and prices. All of this is weakening the Canadian dollar compared to the American dollar. Devaluing the Naira, does not do anything, If Government spending is not accounted for and Billions fall through the crack. No wonder the unemployment rate is really high in Nigeria. Once the Federal government can account for how the budget is being spent and there's accountability, then you can move next to controlling the amount of Dollars in circulation in the country. There's so many aspects of the economy that needs to be addressed, and Nigerians are the most unpatriotic bunch of people I know. Devaluing the Naira or not, without solving our economical problems, will only bring us back to the same place later on. |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by RichYoungNigger(m): 5:58am On Feb 17, 2016 |
jaybee3:Educating not Educative. Go back to school |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by BIAFRANFLAG(m): 7:47am On Feb 17, 2016 |
GEJ2019:You mean you actually learned nothing from this FREE LECTURE. Party Affiliations have blinded many. SHAME! |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by DONADAMS(m): 8:38am On Feb 17, 2016 |
aaronson:your fourth question,,I've always wondered why,,,cos its not even the highest currency sef |
| Re: Myths About Naira Devaluation - Nonso Obikili by Kennisch: 10:19am On Feb 17, 2016 |
GEJ2019:Dullard!!! if you can't read and learn, shut up at least! This is the problem with our last youths, they don't read anymore, would rather watch porn and chase FTC trophies all year long. smh. Meanwhile, God bless the author of this article. Too many misconceptions everywhere you look, even when explaining to so-called post-graduates of the social sciences in important public offices where you expect policy makers. |
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