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9jatriot:
thank u. d presidency invariably admits that the budgets needs to be corrected

Mr man or whoever you are, stop deceiving yourself. That budget has been "corrected" already and we still have over 1.5trn fraud in it.
In a sane clime, Buhari would have been impeached.
Not everyone is an APC zombie.

Corrected right. Needs more correction.
If u want the presidency come and impeach him. The train to move this nation forward has left the station, it may yet be in its first gear but slowly but surely it will gather steam. For some of us, the nations interest is paramount.

TechWalker007:
Mr man or whoever you are, stop deceiving yourself. That budget has been "corrected" already and we still have over 1.5trn fraud in it.
In a sane clime, Buhari would have been impeached.
Not everyone is an APC zombie.

The truth about the budget is going to be made known by d Oga at d top

9jatriot:
Corrected right. Needs more correction.
If u want the presidency come and impeach him. The train to move this nation forward has left the station, it may yet be in its first gear but slowly but surely it will gather steam. For some of us, the nations interest is paramount.

If you have the nation's interest you won't have supported Buhari in the first place. Not after his wreck in 1983-85 that is now repeating today.
Soon you may start queuing up to get milk and other essential commodities. By then you'll be forced to wake up from your slumber and deceit

9jatriot:
Corrected right. Needs more correction.
If u want the presidency come and impeach him. The train to move this nation forward has left the station, it may yet be in its first gear but slowly but surely it will gather steam. For some of us, the nations interest is paramount.

please stop argueing with this set of people their only line of arguement is their emotional feeling. they will never come up with any salient point instead they will retort to throwing tantrum and character assasination.

I'll take ur advice. thanks

realjoker:
please stop argueing with this set of people their only line of arguement is their emotional feeling. they will never come up with any salient point instead they will retort to throwing tantrum and character assasination.

Some persons are shameless trying to trivialize the deliberate fraud in the budget. Trying so hard to remove the chief perpetrator and blame others.

1, The budget is owned by the executive. It is what they say they want to do. How on earth can they be mistaken about that. They say they want BMW and you call it error?.. How daft

2. The budget is first adopted at FEC before it is sent to the legislature. The FEC members also review the budget and defend it first before it moves. The president also makes his input to ensure that special areas that interest him are well accommodated. How then can he be ignorant of it.

3. Even if we say the ministers had no hand in it, we all knew buhari have been working with the Pam Secs all along, he even claimed that the ministers were not really needed. It means he must have passed his thoughts to them to implement.

4.The ministers came in and owned the budget, besides they are the ones to implement it. Or are they to implement what they didn't know?

5.Apc in general were all aware of this thing as they knew they'll all have their cut from the diverted funds. In fact that was the plan initially. The more reason they wanted a closed circuit government and are so pained that it's not going that way in the legislature. They planned to loot whilst shouting corruption and silencing others with graft threats.

6. The government went all out to defend this budget initially. Did you here Mohammed speak? "what about femi gbajabiamila, ndume, yayi etc. If we had an intimidated opposition this issues would have been history.

7. This unending defense at all cost, of buhari's " integrity " just has to stop. WHICH ARMED RUBBER NO WANT MONEY?"
Buhari knows that the funds for his campaign was from diverted government funds. You think he doesn't know that his supporters will want to get things for themselves? Let's stop this hypocrisy. Or you think monies from those expenditures for the presidency will not be used to compensate his cronies? Please..

8. They presidency believed they could pull this through hence the deliberate hesitation until the shiit hit the roof.

9. We could recall that saraki was to be used as the fall guy but he was proactive by telling the president himself how difficult it will be to control. FACT!

10. If it's not deliberate, how can the corrected budget still have obvious and brazen avenues for fraud.
You claim it's an "error" yet the corrections still have more avenues for graft. Haba some persons just want to lie to themselves. Let's call a spade what it is.

11. It's unfortunate the budget DG who buhari appointed was the fall guy. It's just a way to falsely preserve the pseudo-integrity of buhari. Besides it was saraki we heard of that was responsible.

12. The president still believe they can pull this one. Hence they are still looking for how to push it, rather than withdrawal. Sorry we all can't be blind.

13. The narrative of Always relating it to the last administration will spell doom for this government, if they don't stop. They'll say that, that was what was obtainable in the last government, yet they want to do same and feign ignorance. The Last government remains the standard.

14. We know sycophants of this government don't mind them looting while they call others thieves. We will not allow them. and the credit shouldn't go to them for not stealing. APC can be looking at the last government for corruption. We will look at them. We know efcc wouldn't do anything to them. But woe betide those who want to silence the voices of those watching this government or dismissing the claims of the watchers just to preserve buhari's interest.

ndcide:
Some persons are shameless trying to trivialize the deliberate fraud in the budget. Trying so hard to remove the chief perpetrator and blame others.

1, The budget is owned by the executive. It is what they say they want to do. How on earth can they be mistaken about that. They say they want BMW and you call it error?.. How daft

2. The budget is first adopted at FEC before it is sent to the legislature. The FEC members also review the budget and defend it first before it moves. The president also makes his input to ensure that special areas that interest him are well accommodated. How then can he be ignorant of it.

3. Even if we say the ministers had no hand in it, we all knew buhari have been working with the Pam Secs all along, he even claimed that the ministers were not really needed. It means he must have passed his thoughts to them to implement.

4.The ministers came in and owned the budget, besides they are the ones to implement it. Or are they to implement what they didn't know?

5.Apc in general were all aware of this thing as they knew they'll all have their cut from the diverted funds. In fact that was the plan initially. The more reason they wanted a closed circuit government and are so pained that it's not going that way in the legislature. They planned to loot whilst shouting corruption and silencing others with graft threats.

6. The government went all out to defend this budget initially. Did you here Mohammed speak? "what about femi gbajabiamila, ndume, yayi etc. If we had an intimidated opposition this issues would have been history.

7. This unending defense at all cost, of buhari's " integrity " just has to stop. WHICH ARMED RUBBER NO WANT MONEY?"
Buhari knows that the funds for his campaign was from diverted government funds. You think he doesn't know that his supporters will want to get things for themselves? Let's stop this hypocrisy. Or you think monies from those expenditures for the presidency will not be used to compensate his cronies? Please..

8. They presidency believed they could pull this through hence the deliberate hesitation until the shiit hit the roof.

9. We could recall that saraki was to be used as the fall guy but he was proactive by telling the president himself how difficult it will be to control. FACT!

10. If it's not deliberate, how can the corrected budget still have obvious and brazen avenues for fraud.
You claim it's an "error" yet the corrections still have more avenues for graft. Haba some persons just want to lie to themselves. Let's call a spade what it is.

11. It's unfortunate the budget DG who buhari appointed was the fall guy. It's just a way to falsely preserve the pseudo-integrity of buhari. Besides it was saraki we heard of that was responsible.

12. The president still believe they can pull this one. Hence they are still looking for how to push it, rather than withdrawal. Sorry we all can't be blind.

13. The narrative of Always relating it to the last administration will spell doom for this government, if they don't stop. They'll say that, that was what was obtainable in the last government, yet they want to do same and feign ignorance. The Last government remains the standard.

14. We know sycophants of this government don't mind them looting while they call others thieves. We will not allow them. and the credit shouldn't go to them for not stealing. APC can be looking at the last government for corruption. We will look at them. We know efcc wouldn't do anything to them. But woe betide those who want to silence the voices of those watching this government or dismissing the claims of the watchers just to preserve buhari's interest.

True and straight to the point!

TechWalker007:
If you have the nation's interest you won't have supported Buhari in the first place. Not after his wreck in 1983-85 that is now repeating today.
Soon you may start queuing up to get milk and other essential commodities. By then you'll be forced to wake up from your slumber and deceit

So love of the nation means supporting Jonathan, dude I'm not even sure you know what you want. This budget is a mess, no doubt about it. For ministers to come and deny it tells us whether they were forced to or not. However for anyone to say this is the first time this is happening is being mischievous and plain ol' liar. The premium times guy that did the first expose said it was almost like a copy and paste job. He said the Aso Rock rent has been there for a couple of years. The difference between then and now is that the mood of the country is different. Those that voted Buhari voted him because they were hoping for a better nation, not because they were hoping to "chop" if somehow they got close to the government.

In the past, we were used to hearing billions spent without anything to show for it. Billions were spent to renovate airports and still we had leaky roofs and non-functioning ACs everywhere. For this government to be embarrassed enough to do something about it is change itself. The recruitment saga where people died, not one person was fired, this time at least they're doing something about it. After the correction, we all will be here to review it to see if they're serious.

mrmetoo1:
So love of the nation means supporting Jonathan, dude I'm not even sure you know what you want. This budget is a mess, no doubt about it. For ministers to come and deny it tells us whether they were forced to or not. However for anyone to say this is the first time this is happening is being mischievous and plain ol' liar. The premium times guy that did the first expose said it was almost like a copy and paste job. He said the Aso Rock rent has been there for a couple of years. The difference between then and now is that the mood of the country is different. Those that voted Buhari voted him because they were hoping for a better nation, not because they were hoping to "chop" if somehow they got close to the government.

In the past, we were used to hearing billions spent without anything to show for it. Billions were spent to renovate airports and still we had leaky roofs and non-functioning ACs everywhere. For this government to be embarrassed enough to do something about it is change itself. The recruitment saga where people died, not one person was fired, this time at least they're doing something about it.




After the correction, we all will be here to review it to see if they're serious.

Is it the duty of the Nass to correct,alter or distort the figures of an an executive budget that contains identified fraud or
the duty of the executive to withdraw the budget which contains fraud and have the fraudulent items removed then resubmit to the Nass

ndcide:
Some persons are shameless trying to trivialize the deliberate fraud in the budget. Trying so hard to remove the chief perpetrator and blame others.

1, The budget is owned by the executive. It is what they say they want to do. How on earth can they be mistaken about that. They say they want BMW and you call it error?.. How daft

2. The budget is first adopted at FEC before it is sent to the legislature. The FEC members also review the budget and defend it first before it moves. The president also makes his input to ensure that special areas that interest him are well accommodated. How then can he be ignorant of it.

3. Even if we say the ministers had no hand in it, we all knew buhari have been working with the Pam Secs all along, he even claimed that the ministers were not really needed. It means he must have passed his thoughts to them to implement.

4.The ministers came in and owned the budget, besides they are the ones to implement it. Or are they to implement what they didn't know?

5.Apc in general were all aware of this thing as they knew they'll all have their cut from the diverted funds. In fact that was the plan initially. The more reason they wanted a closed circuit government and are so pained that it's not going that way in the legislature. They planned to loot whilst shouting corruption and silencing others with graft threats.

6. The government went all out to defend this budget initially. Did you here Mohammed speak? "what about femi gbajabiamila, ndume, yayi etc. If we had an intimidated opposition this issues would have been history.

7. This unending defense at all cost, of buhari's " integrity " just has to stop. WHICH ARMED RUBBER NO WANT MONEY?"
Buhari knows that the funds for his campaign was from diverted government funds. You think he doesn't know that his supporters will want to get things for themselves? Let's stop this hypocrisy. Or you think monies from those expenditures for the presidency will not be used to compensate his cronies? Please..

8. They presidency believed they could pull this through hence the deliberate hesitation until the shiit hit the roof.

9. We could recall that saraki was to be used as the fall guy but he was proactive by telling the president himself how difficult it will be to control. FACT!

10. If it's not deliberate, how can the corrected budget still have obvious and brazen avenues for fraud.
You claim it's an "error" yet the corrections still have more avenues for graft. Haba some persons just want to lie to themselves. Let's call a spade what it is.

11. It's unfortunate the budget DG who buhari appointed was the fall guy. It's just a way to falsely preserve the pseudo-integrity of buhari. Besides it was saraki we heard of that was responsible.

12. The president still believe they can pull this one. Hence they are still looking for how to push it, rather than withdrawal. Sorry we all can't be blind.

13. The narrative of Always relating it to the last administration will spell doom for this government, if they don't stop. They'll say that, that was what was obtainable in the last government, yet they want to do same and feign ignorance. The Last government remains the standard.

14. We know sycophants of this government don't mind them looting while they call others thieves. We will not allow them. and the credit shouldn't go to them for not stealing. APC can be looking at the last government for corruption. We will look at them. We know efcc wouldn't do anything to them. But woe betide those who want to silence the voices of those watching this government or dismissing the claims of the watchers just to preserve buhari's interest.

Firing the guy you appointed, to me, shows seriousness. Mistakes will be made how you deal with those mistakes is very important. If Buhari wanted to protect his guy, he would have. Guys did worse in the past and absolutely nothing happened to them. This country is rotten through and through and it won't be with the snap of the fingers to clean it up. This budget is Buhari's budget and he can't escape it, he can't deny it but for the fact that they are doing something about it is commendable for the lack of a better word. I won't go as far as praising them for trying to correct what should never have been but I appreciate the it seems the government is feeling the pressure from the citizens and are actually doing something about it.

All I'm hoping and praying for is they clear this mess so that we can get this country going. I don't care if no one votes APC next election, all I want it they move this country forward and let's pray that whoever comes after them also moves this country forward from where they left off.

baralatie:
Is it the duty of the Nass to correct,alter or distort the figures of an an executive budget that contains identified fraud or
the duty of the executive to withdraw the budget which contains fraud and have the fraudulent items removed then resubmit to the Nass

No one is telling NASS to distort or alter figures, they've done very well by pointing out the fraud in the budget. What the executive needs to do now is correct it however they can. I don't care if it means withdrawing the budget and editing it and sending in a revised version. What I know is, something needs to be done and very quickly too. This country needs to start moving and this budget whether anyone likes it or not this budget has some good stuff. I, as a citizen of Nigeria want this budget passed without the fraudulent items. The capital projects are going to act as buffers to our ailing economy and at the same time improve our infrastructure. The social programs too are a great idea especially at this time in our nation Its a real shame we have to deal with all the nonsense that was included.

mrmetoo1:
Firing the guy you appointed, to me, shows seriousness. Mistakes will be made how you deal with those mistakes is very important. If Buhari wanted to protect his guy, he would have. Guys did worse in the past and absolutely nothing happened to them. This country is rotten through and through and it won't be with the snap of the fingers to clean it up. This budget is Buhari's budget and he can't escape it, he can't deny it but for the fact that they are doing something about it is commendable for the lack of a better word. I won't go as far as praising them for trying to correct what should never have been but I appreciate the it seems the government is feeling the pressure from the citizens and are actually doing something about it.

All I'm hoping and praying for is they clear this mess so that we can get this country going. I don't care if no one votes APC next election, all I want it they move this country forward and let's pray that whoever comes after them also moves this country forward from where they left off.

I pray for the president in my prayer time. But I'll say the truth. The DG was a fall guy for the whole embarrassment. He was not the culprit really. That's why it's laughable. Firing him was just a show. nothing more. Parts of the budget involving buhari himself had terrible figures. He can't claim ignorance.

mrmetoo1:
No one is telling NASS to distort or alter figures, they've done very well by pointing out the fraud in the budget. What the executive needs to do now is correct it however they can. I don't care if it means withdrawing the budget and editing it and sending in a revised version. What I know is, something needs to be done and very quickly too. This country needs to start moving and this budget whether anyone likes it or not this budget has some good stuff. I, as a citizen of Nigeria want this budget passed without the fraudulent items. The capital projects are going to act as buffers to our ailing economy and at the same time improve our infrastructure. The social programs too are a great idea especially at this time in our nation Its a real shame we have to deal with all the nonsense that was included.

PMB has to withdraw the budget remove the fraudulent items and resubmit.if not it would be a possible indictment on the presidency and the legislature

Anyone defending that fraud called budget is wicked and heartless. You do not love Nigeria even if you pretend to do so.
The fraudulent appropriations for the presidency alone is enough to make Buhari resign or be impeached.

Blaming the DG is the most hypocritical thing to do. And some zombies have decided to pause their brains, they'll rather defend the indefensible as they've been programmed to do.

It's even an indictment on Buhari to sack the DG but refuse to withdraw same fraud he sacked the man for.

snailspeed:
I have watched the Federal government continue to embarras themselves in what is arguably one of the biggest executive scandals in Nigeria's history. But what has really gotten my attention is their very unprofessional and downright deceptive response to the whole quagmire. It has gone from the very bizzaire to the outrightly deceitful and I feel there is a need to put the records straight, especially for future reference.

The most bizzaire response has seen the ministers outrightly deny their own ministries budget like Shaggy singing, "It wasnt me". This has written a new chapter to the country's corruption story. If the ministers didnt write those budgets, then we are in a bigger trouble than we actually know. This means we have a government that cannot manage themselves let alone manage 170 million Nigerians. It also means all the ministers are shockingly incompetent. It also implies that there is serious monumental corruption going on in the ministries and government agencies as we speak.

Before the government apologists try to ram it down our throats that it is those around the president that are involved, let us not fail to remind them that some of the most embarrasing corruption and fraudulent items in the budget came from the presidency. Yes, you heard it right! It came from the acclaimed squeaky clean, saintly PMB.

But let us get down to the real business of the day. I am really woried that even the opposition and many analysts of the budget have missed the biggest issue yet.

What is the biggest issue with the 2016 budget?

The biggest issue with the 2016 budget is this: If you go through the budget, you will suddenly realise that about 2 trillion Naira in the bugdet are made up of fraudulent and ghost line items. That means that of the over 6 trillion budget presented by Buhari, the real and credible budget is just around 4 trillion. The rest is fraud and money meant to be shared by government and party cronies. This is most alarming when you realise that about 2 trillion is going to be sourced as loan to fund the budget. That means, Nigeria is trying to source for loans to fund coruption.

We are about to take loans to fund massive theft!

Somethig really twisted happened in some of the ministries in their bid to cover up their fraudulent items. When the budget was first released by the BudgtIT folks (credit to them for exposing the budget from the unset and preventing the FG from getting away with the fraud), and then withdrawn, this is what some of the ministries did.

To fix the fraudulent items in the budget, what the ministries and agencies (including the presidency) did was either:

1. Remove the fraudulent line items that have been exposed but distribute the amount from those line items among the other items. For example, Lets say a ministry budgeted 200 million for computers, 300 million for tables and 500 million for boreholes (That is a total of N1 billion). If, for example, the table budget was flagged as fraudulent, they will simply remove the table item of 300 million but share that 300 million between the computers and borehole budget. So they will return the budget with the 1 billion total unchanged, but this time, the computers budget will be 400 million and the borehole will be 600 million. This is a very shocking display of fraud and skilled corruption. If the computer budget is flagged as fraudulent, what should have simply happened is that the ministry should have removed the computer budget and returned the budget as 700 million, not 1 billion.

2. Remove the fraudulent line items and assign the value as new budget items. In this case, whole new items where inserted into the budget altogether to make up the amount removed. What is again alarming is why they must spend the funds. The concept of a budget is not to create items that must be purchased. It is not a blank check for government officials to go on a shopping spree

It is really worrisome that the Buhari government is hell bent on spending the over 6 trillion even when it is not justifiable. This is why we must reject any budget that is above 4.5 trillion Naira. Any budget that comes back from the FG that is above 4.5 trillion is definitely a crooked budget. This is also why we must insist that the FG should not borrow any funds for now as any funds borrowed to fund the budget is actually funds borrowed to line the pockets of government cronies.

Any budget that comes back from Buhari that is above 4.5 trillion is fraudulent!

I have seen some APC youths go on social media to celebrate the sacking of the DG of the budget office. Question is, what does that take away from the monumental budget fraud? Was the budget of the ministries written by the budget office. The ministers have all gone to the NASS to defend their budgets. I didnt see anyone whose budget was written by the budget office and the ministers are all walking free and laughing at the rest of us.

Sacking the DG of the budget office is just late damage control and trying to get a fall gyuy to take the heat. The ministers who all presented fraudulent budgets are still roaming free and laughing at the rest of us. And please stop telling us the presidency put it up for scrutiny!! We all had several copies each before they attempted that damage control. The scandal had already trended as #BudgetOfYams for several weeks before that weak attempt by the President's spokeman to make us believe they wanted it scrutinised! That train had left the station since December!
This is a most shameful note in the history of this country but we must continue to call out Buhari and his governance team. If we sleep for one moment, we might all wake up one day to see some rich Arab sheik has bought the country and has the C of O.

The budget is a SCam

9jatriot:
coming from a bigger one, am honoured

i dont know y u guys are hellbent on argueing with this guy... they have no salient point to raise, all what they can offer is their emotional believe and delusion.
if u keep on argueing with them till light year, no matter how salient ur point is they will rather attack ur character instead to attack ur point.

9jatriot:
I'll take ur advice. thanks

Visit this thread and be ashamed of yourself for defending the fraud.
https://www.nairaland.com/2940790/buhari-produced-most-embarrassing-budget

[quote author=snailspeed post=42977379]You keep repeating the same flawed arguments and making strange claims. The people who put the items there have not been sacked! They are walking free and laughing at the rest of us! The budget office did not write the budget. The DG of the budget office is only culpable of not scrutinising thoroughly.

The ministers who own the budgets are all laughing at Nigeria. Even the presidency that budgeted more money for aso rock clinic than what was budgeted for the whole teaching hospitals in Nigeria, is laughing their heads off. They have not been sacked and will not be.

I didn't even talk about the issue of inflated costs and skewed priorities which is different from fraudulent line items. Like the Aso rock clinic over teaching hospitals.

They put the budget on the budget website after the budget was already all over the place. What choice did they have? That was damage control. That was also after the scandal had trended as #BudgetOfYams on social media for over 3 weeks and had been reviewed by several news houses. They didn't put it up for scrutiny. They are only attempting damage control. [/quote


Although at snailspeed, you are full of wisdom. This 9jatriot fella is unbelievable! When logic is turned topsyturvy to suit a political persuasion, defending the indefensible becomes the passion of the morally bereft.

Cc: lalasticlala

fitzmayowa:
Our APC rice eater e warriors will come for you, rather than engage you on the issues raised...oya APC rice eater e warriors over to you...


Make i siddon watch

You guys are just trying to seem to play opposition politics but you are actually exposing your ignorance . No need trading words with you all because we all know what is paining you is that this government is going to prove to the whole world that Change is here .

TechWalker007:
At the bolded, Buhari did not withdraw the fraudulent budget, he did not apologize to Nigerians but he sacked a DG

How can one sack the DG and leave the same fraudulent budget in NASS for it to be passed? Same budget for which he blamed Budget Mafia and sacked some people. If it's fraudulent enough to sack people, why has it not been withdrawn and every fraudulent line item removed.

Funny that Buhari's war on kwaruption is hounding PDP members for allegedly spending government loot to fund the last elections, meanwhile, Buhari's new government is trying to to pass a bona fide " Election Expenses Recovery Budget" on helpless Nigerians.

This budget was inspired by fraud, stitched together by fraud, presented with fraud,and defended with fraud.

Rolings:
You guys are just trying to seem to play opposition politics but you are actually exposing your ignorance . No need trading words with you all because we all know what is paining you is that this government is going to prove to the whole world that Change is here .

Play opposition you are the one who should be cured of ignorance here, sorry ooo Abi you follow chop out of the Abuja rice...

plaetton:
Funny that Buhari's war on kwaruption is hounding PDP members for allegedly spending government loot to fund the last elections, meanwhile, Buhari's new government is trying to to pass a bona fide " Election Expenses Recovery Budget" on helpless Nigerians.

This budget was inspired by fraud, stitched together by fraud, presented with fraud,and defended with fraud.

Oga how far na.

I wonder why this hasn't made frontpage these past days.

Oga Lalasticlala this thread needs to be viewed by a wider audience.

dos who live in glass house dont throw stones

wellcome to a new gate

psucc:
Finally a new gate has opened.
#budgetgate.

If Buahry has any credibility left in him, he should withdraw the budget of shame and tender an unreserved apology to Nigerians for his ineptitude and carelessness.


APC, Party of professional fraudsters and career rogues.

Someone who is fighting corruption,and who his kitchen cabinet,are not afraid of by trying to steal their own ,that means they have seen that the guy Dullar..dinho is a big Scam.