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Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by 100Cents: 7:51pm On Feb 19, 2016
Obiagelli:
I am not in anyway an economist but i have been reading a bit, especially Henry Boyo ( truth be told, i get an anytime i do).
I believe we earn our oil revenue in dollars, what if the federal government pay states their allocation in dollars and the state simple exchange their dollars for naira at the bank or BDC.
With this system there will be surplus dollar in the system that will drive the exchange rate down. A good example of this was during the last election when dollar was raining all over the place (thanks to Dasuki) the dollar fell to 170 naira despite official rate at 197 naira.



www.dailytrust.com.ng/daily/business/51434-naira-gains-against-dollar-at-black-market


So I ask again what will go wrong if we flood the economy with dollars?
Charles Soludo has been proposing this policy many years now.
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by musicwriter(m): 7:51pm On Feb 19, 2016
Obiagelli:
I am not in anyway an economist but i have been reading a bit, especially Henry Boyo ( truth be told, i get an anytime i do).
I believe we earn our oil revenue in dollars, what if the federal government pay states their allocation in dollars and the state simple exchange their dollars for naira at the bank or BDC.
With this system there will be surplus dollar in the system that will drive the exchange rate down. A good example of this was during the last election when dollar was raining all over the place (thanks to Dasuki) the dollar fell to 170 naira despite official rate at 197 naira.

www.dailytrust.com.ng/daily/business/51434-naira-gains-against-dollar-at-black-market

So I ask again what will go wrong if we flood the economy with dollars?
What you suggested is already happening illegally, the only problem is that the CBN don't have enough dollars such that it could flood the black market. Crooks in the CBN, commercial banks, cabals, top businessmen, e.t.c are already working hand-in-hand with CBN staffs, round-tripping and exchanging any available dollars and selling it back to the black market. They're actually enjoying the fall, and they wish it would continue for a very long time.

Remember, the most profitable business in Nigeria right now is sourcing dollar from CBN and changing it to Naira.
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by 2rutalk1: 7:53pm On Feb 19, 2016
That will weaken the naira the more due to Purchasing Power Parity (PPP). The only thing that will save our naira at the moment is export promotion. As far as we remain an import dependent economy as well as a mono-economy, no amount of dollar pumped into the economy will ameliorate the situation. This is not a matter of the quantity of dollar in circulation. It is however caused by low level of productivity leading to low/no export of goods and services across borders.
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by Cyberknight: 7:55pm On Feb 19, 2016
SirShymexx:
Lol. The question just doesn't make any sense whatsoever, since there's already a restrictive policy on FOREX in place, with a fixed artificial value for exchange rate. Flooding the country with dollars will just show that the CBN is clueless and it'll most likely lead to hyper-inflation.

I think a lot of folks don't understand how messed up the Nigerian economy is right now, especially with how depleted the foreign reserves are. The depletion of the foreign reserves takes away the "shock-absorber" that would've been used to negate the effects of the falling oil prices, since oil is the nucleus of the Nigerian economy, and everything else revolves around it.

The best thing to do is to ride it out, while the CBN keeps the artificial exchange rate, pending when the other sectors, can start thriving independently without oil. Thus making it a blessing in disguise. Or pray for the holy grail: the holy grail right now is for a major war to kick off in the middle east, perhaps, with Saudi Arabia and Turkey invading Syria, or any type of madness, that'll drive oil prices up. Apart from that: it's going to be a long hot summer. grin

This is a test for Buhari since he campaigned about change. If he can pull it off and use this to diversify the naija economy. Then he'll write his name in gold. But I won't bet on that. Or this might be the beginning of the implosion certain folks have been waiting for to balkanise the country. This is just the beginning of a long walk in the serengeti. grin

Shalom.
Well said, mate. As unpalatable as it sounds, the stark fact remains that Naija is headed nowhere until the oil price heads somewhere. All this talk about reflating the economy with Keynesian expansionist polices is just that - talk. As long as the CBN's restrictive forex policy remains in place, the black market will continue to flourish and those who are benefiting from the currency subsidy (those roundtrippers) will too.
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by UrbanMystique:
Obiagelli:
My problems with devaluing the naira:

Stock Exchange will loose its value by half

Landing cost of petrol will increase

Inflation! Inflation!! Inflation!!!

It will not in anyway improve export

Black market prices will continue to rise.
notice those shouting devaluation are wailers so when our economy finally looks like that of Zimbabwe as a result of inflation , they will come back with giant I told you so..

Those in need of dollars from bdc are mostly importers anyway, which we need to discourage in all ramification.
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by happney65: 7:56pm On Feb 19, 2016
Make them print Dollars jooo..But Obama go vex ohb grin
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by EbolaParasite: 7:57pm On Feb 19, 2016
Obiagelli:
I am not in anyway an economist but i have been reading a bit, especially Henry Boyo ( truth be told, i get an anytime i do).
I believe we earn our oil revenue in dollars, what if the federal government pay states their allocation in dollars and the state simple exchange their dollars for naira at the bank or BDC.
With this system there will be surplus dollar in the system that will drive the exchange rate down. A good example of this was during the last election when dollar was raining all over the place (thanks to Dasuki) the dollar fell to 170 naira despite official rate at 197 naira.



www.dailytrust.com.ng/daily/business/51434-naira-gains-against-dollar-at-black-market


So I ask again what will go wrong if we flood the economy with dollars?
How can you flood the economy with dollars if you don't HAVE DOLLARS?
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by gists: 7:58pm On Feb 19, 2016
From my layman understanding, CBN does not have enough forex to do this. And I think that's what causing the scarcity. Besides, something tells me that move will backfire big time - except CBN have REALLY BIG reserve.
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by sharpman1(m): 7:58pm On Feb 19, 2016
Obiagelli:
Quick off-topic question, where was the dollar earnings going to when oil prices was $120
LOL.

Na Jona we go ask. When they were sharing Dollars during the election, they were actually sharing what was meant to be our reserves.

Hopefully we will get out of this sooner than later.

...but the truth is (in my opinion) if oil prices do not rise, we will be in this situation for a long time. Exports is not diversified in a short period, it takes deliberate efforts and the impact is felt in the long term.
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by poseidon12: 8:01pm On Feb 19, 2016
A someone already explained, we do not have enough dollars to flood the market with. Oil sells around 33 Dollars per barrel right now. It was said that it costs us about 30 Dollars per barrel to produce our crude oil. So we are making only about 3 Dollars per barrel. And we are struggling to find buyers because there is oil glut right now. And we have to have some reasonable amount saved in our foreign reserve so that we can pay for our imports. I hear we have enough to last about 6 months right now. So we do not have enough to flood the market.
I am not an economist too, but that is the way I see it.
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by soulfood(m): 8:01pm On Feb 19, 2016
must everything become pdp versus apc? try answer the question asked you hear?
cckris:
Buhari's mismanagement will SOON shoot the naira above 1000 to the dollar, which is economically PRAGMATIC, but a political SUICIDE for APC.
PDP is a LUCKY political party. Nigerians will soon begin to scream & curse the day Luggard joined Daura to this nation.
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by 989900: 8:03pm On Feb 19, 2016
Obiagelli:
I got confused when i got to the dollar certificate area, will the state government exchange this certificate for naira?
Can importers take any advantage in the certificates with banks to ease their transactions?

Dollar certificates in-lieu of cash (currency which was done in the said 2008 example) is to check racketeering.

So, if states need to get anything with forex, they tender their dollar certs or vouchers (in appropriate value from their normal monthly allocation) to the CBN for processing.
Meanwhile, thru all this, no Naira is substituted for dollar causing excess liquidity, which the CBN later has to mop up by borrowing money it does not need at high interest rates from the banks.

It reduces states, MDAs, or any arm of government having billions or millions of Naira to be looking for dollars.

It eliminates a lot of fraud, racketeering, profiteering, and sharp practices between the FG, States, CBN, and Banks -- so they don't like the idea!!!

So we pay for it! And they want us to believe we solely and the fall in oil prices are the forex problem -- not the imported fuel, not their criminal policies.



Importers cannot get the dollar certs, only goverment.

However, the Naira, importers, and everyone wins, because the Naira will appreciate -- less pressure/demand from monthly chase of dollars by government establishments!
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by lagdmark(m): 8:03pm On Feb 19, 2016
DropShot:
But from where will the govt get the dollars from?
We can buy from the Chinese
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by CAMNEWTON4PRES: 8:07pm On Feb 19, 2016
Very high inflation, too much money not enough good .
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by monlawal(m): 8:07pm On Feb 19, 2016
When I become the president, nairaland.com would be my official website to visit every morning and night.


Nigerians in their witty and humorous nature churning out different points of view towards saving the economy.


I wish baba Buhari is watching the brainstorming going on here
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by UrbanMystique: 8:08pm On Feb 19, 2016
sharpman1:
You don't seem to get it. There is NO Dollar to flood the market with.

Oil prices are low so Dollar inflows have dropped drastically. If the government continues to fund ALL dollar request with our reserves, it will b depleted to Zero in no time, then we are back to square one.

So....what th CBN is doing is to only fund what they believe is important dollar requirements and the ask people that need dollars for frivolous transactions to go source themselves. As long as demand for Dollar exceeds supply, Naira will continue to crash.
this is someone that gets it. Kudos .
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by SirShymexx: 8:08pm On Feb 19, 2016
989900:
It's a whole lot of change in faulty monetary policies that Boyo advocates. Read about them first, watch the videos if you can, then you can be more helpful. The approach is a whole lot different from your posts so far. They are paid in 'dollar certificates'.

So far, your posts do not show you get the total picture of the proposition.
I don't know who Boyo is. However, it's one thing to theorise something, practicality based on the current predicament is another thing. Dollarising the economy would even up killing the naira, which is basically what the CBN is trying to prevent. And the foreign reserves are already depleted. So where would the dollars come from?

I believe the current economic situation of Nigeria, is very similar to what happened to Russia between 1997-1998, when it ended up devaluing the rubles, thus defaulting on its debts - with inflation reaching close to 90%. That's also why I also don't think Nigeria needs to devalue the naira right now, especially if this administration believes it can pull off any type of diversification - and make certain important sectors independent of oil, within a short period.

Everything plaguing the Nigerian economy right now has a lot to do with wasteful spending and idiotic fiscal policies by successive governments, especially the last one. And there are no quick fixes. It's either you pray for oil prices to miraculously go up; take the long, hard, and painful way to rebuild an economy heavily dependent on one commodity; or give up by devaluing the naira and let the economy crash into abyss. Those are the only three options.
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by banio: 8:08pm On Feb 19, 2016
Big trouble in little China. The only solution APC led FG is looking at is oil price bouncing back. Otherwise they have no solution yet for this continuous fall of the naira
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by asids55: 8:08pm On Feb 19, 2016
Obiagelli:
These measures i believe was taken during the 2008 recession and fall in oil prices, it worked well for a while atleast, the CBN needs to be on its toes for this to work.
There's is no way flooding the system with dollar will increase demand for dollars, read the last paragraph again about liquidity management
madam,the major question is where will the cbn get the $ from?if nigeria where to be an export driven country that does not depend on just exporting oil,then I don't think we will be facing this problem,oil prices are falling meaning cbn can get enough in its reserves,and selling to BDC,will definitely dry up their foreing reserve chest..I hope this helps
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by 989900: 8:12pm On Feb 19, 2016
SirShymexx:
I don't know who Boyo is. However, it's one thing to theorise something, practicality based on the current predicament is another thing. Dollarising the economy would even up killing the naira, which is basically what the CBN is trying to prevent. And the foreign reserves are already depleted. So where would the dollars come from?

I believe the current economic situation of Nigeria, is very similar to what happened to Russia between 1997-1998, when it ended up devaluing the rubles, thus defaulting on its debts - with inflation reaching close to 90%. That's also why I also don't think Nigeria needs to devalue the naira right now, especially if this administration believes it can pull off any type of diversification - and make certain important sectors independent of oil, within a short period.

Everything plaguing the Nigerian economy right now has a lot of wasteful spending and idiotic fiscal policies by successive governments, especially the last one. And there are no quick fixes. It's either you pray for oil prices to miraculously go up; take the long, hard, and painful way to rebuild an economy heavily dependent on one commodity; or give up by devaluing the naira and let the economy crash into abyss. Those are the only three options.
Like I said earlier, you need to read extensively and probably watch the videos about it, to fully understand the concept.
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by CAMNEWTON4PRES: 8:15pm On Feb 19, 2016
+ why would anyone flood his country with foreign currency? How are you going to reprice products and services?

Op that's a dumb move, even at the peak of the Asian crisis esp with Thailand which was experiencing worse problems than Nigeria with her bath .such measures never came up
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by Nobody: 8:16pm On Feb 19, 2016
989900:

Dollar certificates in-lieu of cash (currency which was done in the said 2008 example) is to check racketeering.

So, if states need to get anything with forex, they tender their dollar certs or vouchers (in appropriate value from their normal monthly allocation) to the CBN for processing.
Meanwhile, thru all this, no Naira is printed for dollar causing excess liquidity, which the CBN later has to mop up by borrowing money it does not need at high interest rates from the banks.

It reduces states, MDAs, or any arm of government having billions or millions of Naira to be looking for dollars.

It eliminates a lot of fraud, racketeering, profiteering, and sharp practices between the FG, States, CBN, and Banks -- so they don't like the idea!!!

So we pay for it! And they want us to believe we solely and the fall in oil prices are the forex problem -- not the imported fuel, not their criminal policies.



Importers cannot get the dollar certs, only goverment.

However, the Naira, importers, and everyone wins, because the Naira will appreciate -- less pressure/demand from monthly chase of dollars by government establishments!
Thanks for this explanation, one more question, now that it is said that we actually do have enough dollars anyways, we are stuck for the long haul
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by kellsblingsz(m): 8:16pm On Feb 19, 2016
Where do the black market get their dollars?? Am still puzzled becos the black marketers has a huge amount of dollars that even all the banks combined together doesn't have.
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by uvalued(m): 8:17pm On Feb 19, 2016
cckris:
Buhari's mismanagement will SOON shoot the naira above 1000 to the dollar, which is economically PRAGMATIC, but a political SUICIDE for APC.
PDP is a LUCKY political party. Nigerians will soon begin to scream & curse the day Luggard joined Daura to this nation.
then there will be reverse-camping to pdp or apga instead of decamping to APC. bAD MKT.

But on a serious note youths have started thinking before the setting up if the wole soyinka suggest economic team.. grin grin
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by Jonwesley(m): 8:25pm On Feb 19, 2016
Obiagelli:
Do we earn oil money in naira?
Obiagelli, don't be confused. This is not a buy and sell in a physical trade. Nigeria is not paid in cash for the crude oil sold. It's a paper or account balance. And nevertheless with the fall in oil prices, it's even worse as it's little.

Your question on what happened to the excess dollars when a barrel was selling above $120, is a good one. But it was not managed properly by the government.

With insufficient inflow from oil sales, there is therefore no way U can flood states with dollars. You can't give what U don't have.
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by AZeD1(m): 8:26pm On Feb 19, 2016
989900:
Like I said earlier, you need to read extensively and probably watch the videos about it, to fully understand the concept.
I've read some of Boyo's theories but I'm not really sold because Nigerians are a peculiar people, we have a way of making theories that worked else were failed.


Like SirShymexx has said, we have to rough it out.

I believe this is a good thing. If we don't get it right now, we will never get it right.
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by ibnjarir93(m): 8:30pm On Feb 19, 2016
LRNZH:
[b]Even when FG's forex earnings drop, their overhead usually does not. FG has to pay salaries and keep all arms of government functional. This is a reason why governments devalue their local currencies.

Say FG was earning 100B USD and it drops to 50B USD, by devaluing the local currency the 50B USD will have more local value and probably meet the local demands that the 100B USD was satisfying.

The problem is that for an import-based economy, if you devalue so much to satisfy government spending, it reduces how much can be imported. This can lead to a food crisis for example. This, I believe, is part of what PMB's government is seeking to avoid.

Devaluation is more beneficial to export based economies because the price of their commodity becomes cheaper internationally thereby stifling competitors. This is part of the Chinese strategy and it worked for them. They pegged the Remnibi at a lower than appropriate floating rate to fuel exports. That is partly why Chinese goods are relatively cheaper than goods from other countries.

I suspect the PMB government is hoping oil prices will recover sooner than later and reduce the pressure on Naira, since CBN will have more USD to spread around while his government diversifies the economy by increasing power supply, loan accessibility, reducing imports by fixing refineries. Another drain on our Forex is the war in the NE. We keep spending forex to 'buy' weapons to fight the insurgency.

PMB came at the most unfortunate time. But tough times bring out tough leaders.[/b]
Fine analysis. But don't you think a floating currency would be better when all this diversification is done?
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by teeghurl(f): 8:30pm On Feb 19, 2016
Obiagelli:
Quick off-topic question, where was the dollar earnings going to when oil prices was $120
Those goods Nigeria import on daily basis, do they pay in naira? Remember importation is more than exportation
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by grandstar(m): 8:32pm On Feb 19, 2016
Obiagelli:
I am not in anyway an economist but i have been reading a bit, especially Henry Boyo ( truth be told, i get an anytime i do).
I believe we earn our oil revenue in dollars, what if the federal government pay states their allocation in dollars and the state simple exchange their dollars for naira at the bank or BDC.
With this system there will be surplus dollar in the system that will drive the exchange rate down. A good example of this was during the last election when dollar was raining all over the place (thanks to Dasuki) the dollar fell to 170 naira despite official rate at 197 naira.



www.dailytrust.com.ng/daily/business/51434-naira-gains-against-dollar-at-black-market


So I ask again what will go wrong if we flood the economy with dollars?
What you have written unknownly is an economic masterpiece.

what you said has the support of Charles Soludo and a fervent campaigner of it, Henry Boyo. Please read the latters write up about it at the back of Punch at least 1 in 2 weeks.

Soludo tried such in 2007 but with a tweak. The 3 tiers of government would be paid in dollar certificates. However the governors did not like it and complained to Yar'Adua who had it quashed by even promulgating a law against it.

Paying in dollars would answer 2 of the most pressing pronlems in Nigeria today: the high cost of credit and its scarcity.

Every month, the government substitutes the dollars into naira and pays the 3 tiers of government. This increases the money supply greatly forcing government to increase lending rates. That is why we borrow at 25%.

If they however paid in dollars, there would be no excess liquidity. This will lead to a crash in lending rates to between 5-8%.

Also because dollars will ne chasing naira, the naira will appreciated greatly in value.
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by plaetton: 8:32pm On Feb 19, 2016
Obiagelli:
But the CBN still manage to pay state governments in naira, do they just print naira or equivalent of our earnings
Naira is our national currency.
CBN prints naira commensurate with the economic activities.
If the CBN prints more naira than the productive capacity of the economy, then then inflation will strangulate the economy.
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by legendsilver(m): 8:33pm On Feb 19, 2016
cckris:
Buhari's mismanagement will SOON shoot the naira above 1000 to the dollar, which is economically PRAGMATIC, but a political SUICIDE for APC.
PDP is a LUCKY political party. Nigerians will soon begin to scream & curse the day Luggard joined Daura to this nation.
is this what you have to show for all the money your parents wasted for you in the University?
How I wish the money was used to sponsor a goat to the University, it would have paid off rewardly than wasting it on you.
Shior!!!!!! Pours spit to the ground
Re: What Exactly Will Go Wrong If The CBN Floods The Economy With Dollars? by ibnjarir93(m): 8:33pm On Feb 19, 2016
Jonwesley:
Obiagelli, don't be confused. This is not a buy and sell in a physical trade. Nigeria is not paid in cash for the crude oil sold. It's a paper or account balance. And nevertheless with the fall in oil prices, it's even worse as it's little.

Your question on what happened to the excess dollars when a barrel was selling above $120, is a good one. But it was not managed properly by the government.

With insufficient inflow from oil sales, there is therefore no way U can flood states with dollars. You can't give what U don't have.
Plus borders were shut during elections so virtually no USD demand for imports.
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