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| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by lovetrust(m): 2:46pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
us dollar to a naira is exchanging for 220 naira in Abuja parallel market/black market. |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by opomulero(m): 4:34pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
lovetrust:goooood |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by lereinter(m): 4:49pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
odiks: |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by Nobody: 4:53pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
Alright. Still expecting $1 = #1 so that I can finally buy that Alienware Laptop at #500. ![]() |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by professore(m): 6:15pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
I like the comment of the analyst from Ecobank,he seems to know what he's saying |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by vivavik(f): 7:01pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
RichYoungNigga:I don't understand u, are u a Nigerian? Why prophecy doom? Are u happy with the economic situation? Why not pray for us rather than wish ill luck? I have in buhari, #istandwithbuhari# |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by Arizonaguy(m): 7:39pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
olu77:He is certainly up there...i just needed to put you in your place |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by Arizonaguy(m): 7:41pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
vivavik:No mind am...he is a true definition of a pessimist |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by SirShymexx: 8:05pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
plaetton:Lool. Same way you found "equilibrium" with SAP that ended up becoming the genesis of Nigeria's economic problems, no? Hysterical. Even the pounds sterling is fixed for a reason. Dude, go back to elementary school and study the basics of economics. |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by plaetton: 8:32pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
SirShymexx:Oh please, don't insult yourself . SAP? By going to borrow foreign currency to fund a bloated and spurious budget, Buhari is already threading the well known path of SAP. SAP by any other name is still SAP. You have a tendency to babble about unconnected and irrelevant issues. The pound is fixed for a reason? When, and by whom ? ![]() Elementary school economics , you say? Hhhmm. No wonder. If you learnt your economics in elementary school, well then, I am wasting my time here. I learnt economics at a much higher level. |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by SirShymexx: 9:05pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
plaetton:Stfu! Is the pounds sterling allowed to float freely like US dollar and Canadian dollar? And how often does the Bank of England intervene from time to time in the exchange rate? The Japanese yen is another one. I alluded to SAP cos the same proponents of SAP are the ones campaigning for devaluation. And I reiterate: what problem is devaluation going to fix and how are you going to fix the inflation that will happen after devaluation? Apart from spouting nonsense like a bleating goat about the dollarisation of remittances, you still haven't proffered any solutions on how to fix the problems of the inflation and the economic crisis that will follow devaluation. BTW, I never said anything about the pathetic budget. This is about devaluation vs. saving the naira. Stick to that and stop jumping around like a blinkered duffer. |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by plaetton: 9:43pm On Feb 24, 2016*. Modified: 10:03pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
SirShymexx:My dear friend, I have tried to be civil and cordial with you in this ongoing discussion, but it seems that you're running out of nonsense to say. That's probably why you are resorting to insults. Your arguments have been incoherent, half baked and ignorant. I don't want to start calling you more befitting names, so pls respect yourself. You goofed big time and betrayed your economic illiteracy by stating that the pound is fixed. Big laugh. And to support this moronic statement, you point out that the bank of England invervenes in the currency Market. Bigger laugh. Humility demands that you humble yourself and learn what you do not know. No one is winning a prize here for ignorant pontifications. Now ,listen and learn. Every central bank in the world have and use various financial instruments and mechanism to fine tune their monetary policy and economy. These instruments include interest rate adjustments from time to time, sale or redemption of Treasury bills or bonds, policy guidance announcements, purchase or liquidation of gold reserves, as well as outright purchase or sale of their currencies in the forex market. These measures are not fixed for one direction alone. Meaning, they can adopt one measure today, and do the opposite the next week. That's why it is called fine-tuning. It is not fixing. No advanced economy in the world fixes it's currency against the forces of the market. In fact, their is a currency war going on right now between the EU, Japan, US, Canada, Australia and China. With each country's central bank trying to nudge their respective currencies LOWER against others, in order to boost exports, trade and investments. Only an ignorant person would make such a childish assertion that the bank of England fixes the pound. On the inflationary consequences of a devaluation, that's the bitter pill that must be swallowed. Every oil dependent economy in the world is facing that right now. Brazil, Mexico, Canada, Russia, Nigeria, etc etc. The inflationary problem only highlights how distorted and import dependent we are. A situation that needs to be realigned over time, if we have the will to it. This is the challenge. The will to change our consumption patterns. There are NO quick solutions other than the few points I have raised in the course of this discussion. I know that Nigerian people like you are beholden to quick fix solutions and miracles,.always postponing accountability and the day of reckoning. For that, you had better join your president in his prayer wagon. |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by SirShymexx: 10:10pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
plaetton:The problem with you is that you say a lot without actually saying anything and like the rest of the armchair economists naij, you lot just talk for the sake of it. This is my last reply to you. I was actually going to post a PDF report from BoE, which I posted on a Yoruba forum a few weeks ago, about how the BoE intervenes from time to time, to fix the pounds sterling. But, I don't really have time to start digging posts on that forum. However, I'll post other references: 1). Japan. 2). BoE. 1). You can read this link: Q&A: Currency interventions http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12787285 2). https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=wO5DRklB_tAC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=does+the+bank+of+England+intervenes+in+the+currency+Market&source=bl&ots=y2D0nEDfPx&sig=vMJPWk_0lZnhsMNV-4LFbuydfos&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiswbDcpJHLAhWHbxQKHUDlCl0Q6AEIWTAJ#v=onepage&q=does%20the%20bank%20of%20England%20intervenes%20in%20the%20currency%20Market&f=false
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| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by plaetton: 10:17pm On Feb 24, 2016*. Modified: 8:28am On Feb 25, 2016 |
SirShymexx:My friend, it seems you're a slow learner. Pls Read my last post again. Every major central bank, NOTJUST the BOE, intervenes in currency markets from time to time, using various instruments, to nudge their currencies up or down temporarily. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. That is not the same thing with FIXING or pegging a currency, which the BOE never ever does. No knowledgeable person would conflate the two. You goofed. You know it. Humble yourself and stop pontificating. |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by SirShymexx: 10:26pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
plaetton:You honestly don't know what you're talking about. Can the US federal reserve with little or no means and its enormous deficit to reserve ratio intervene in currency market? Does the Canadian central bank intervene in the currency market? So, why say every central bank intervenes? |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by plaetton: 10:46pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
SirShymexx:Again, you don't get it. The Canadian central bank and the US federal reserve Do intervene from time to time. Again, listen carefully, by using various instruments at their disposal. Repeating myself, such measures may include simple acts like holding a press conference to give policy guidance or simply talking up or talking down your currency. It might also , often does, include raising or lowering interest rates. It may also include sale or repurchase of Treasury bills or other bonds. Many times, it could include the outright purchase OR sale of their respective currencies to nudge it up or down to achieve whatever policy goal for that week, month or quarter. OK? These are what are called interventions, not FIXES. Now, to educate you further (you can thank me later) the US Treasury department and the US federal reserve are two different and distinct institutions with distinct functions. The federal reserve has an unlimited reservoir of cash. They can actually print or mop when it suites them. Their balance sheet has Zero to do with US Treasury's budget deficit. So please don't ever conflate the two in the same way you conflate periodic interventions with FIXING. |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by Seamareggae(m): 10:47pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
vivavik:Some Nigerians thoo... Nd tomorrow... That guy would run to church.. Praying for a better tomorrow... God will see Nigeria thru.... |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by vivavik(f): 10:53pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
Seamareggae:as in eh! I could hardly believe he said it. Mehnnnnnn I pray God disappoints them. |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by SirShymexx: 10:53pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
plaetton:Loool. Going off on a tangent again...while saying a lot without saying anything. ![]() What's the correlation between what you posited and interfering with the price of a currency in the foreign exchange market? ![]() |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by vivavik(f): 10:57pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
Arizonaguy:na wa o. God help us o cos they are sooo wishing us bad that I wonder if they are Nigerians. |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by plaetton: 11:11pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
SirShymexx:I am not sure I understand your question. But let me remind you that the words " Market " and "Fix" don't belong in the same sentence. They are opposites. For good example, if the British pound was FIXED, as you mistakenly say, then the same British pound cannot be traded 24 hrs everyday against other international currencies in the forex MARKET. So, let me repeat again for the hundredth time, intervening in the forex market from to time to shore up or nudge lower one's currency is not the same as FIXING the currency. FIXING or pegging is done by Fiat, not through the markets. |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by Seamareggae(m): 11:29pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
vivavik:God is already disappointing them.... Nigeria shall be great again.... |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by SirShymexx: 11:44pm On Feb 24, 2016 |
plaetton:The problem with a lot of you who dwell on theories and make argument based on Bretton Woods system is that your arguments are always linear. It's always about garbage in and garbage out, due to unnecessary cramming of junk. The fact that certain currencies aren't tagged to the dollar or Fiat and are termed as "free floating", that doesn't mean they float freely. The pounds sterling, Japanese yen, and Chinese yuan are classic examples. The pounds sterling for example is highly overvalued. So how does it keep its value that high without being managed cos if it were allowed to flow freely, it won't have the same value that it has. That was basically what I was alluding to by saying it's fixed - not fixed in context of the Bretton Woods system. The Japanese yen is another currency that doesn't float freely in the market and its value is controlled. Ditto the Chinese yuan. And none of these currencies are pegged. That's why I keep telling you to talk less and listen more. |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by vivavik(f): 12:34am On Feb 25, 2016 |
Seamareggae:amennnnnnnnnnn o |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by plaetton: 8:16am On Feb 25, 2016 |
SirShymexx:I can't believe that I would say the same thing over three times and you would pretend that you didn't read it. Let me repeat one more time for your benefit. All major central banks, NOT JUST BOE, intervene regularly in the MARKETS to nudge their currencies lower or higher to meet their policy objectives for any given week, month or quarter. Please try to understand that these are neither FIXES pegs nor a form of control. Every currency is managed by their respective central bank, but only within the dynamics of the market. For good example, for over 6 months now the European Central Bank has been trying to devalue the Euro and bring it into parity with the USD. This is an attempt to stimulate INFLATION in the Eurozone. In a bid to achieve that, these objectives, they have thrown all sorts of monetary ammunitions at the market, such as QE,QE1,QE2, Bond repurchases, and the latest unorthodox weapon being Zero Interest Rates or ZIRP. As of November last year when they unleashed ZIRP on the Eurozone, financial analysts were predicting that Euro would fall to near or full parity with the USD by March 2016. This was the intention. But as I write this , the Euro has actually gone higher than it was before the intervention, because, the market is a super dynamic force of it's own. In other words, the ECB has failed in it's attempt to stear the Euro lower. This is the reason that central banks have arsenels if tools they use to nudge their currencies. But at the end , the MARKET speaks louder than any central bank. Let me summarize it for you. 1. All central banks influence the direction of their respective currencies by using an assortment of tools to social engineer the psychology of the MARKETS. 2. No central bank in the world can FIX or peg a currency that is traded in the Forex MARKET. 3. FIX and MARKET are opposites and therefore mutually exclusive. 4. The pound is relatively high because, first, the pound was and is still a reserve currency. Secondly, the British economy is not an exporting economy,otherwise, the market forces and the government would have gradually nudged it lower to increase and sustain exports. London is the financial capital of the world and its currency is highly sought after. Now, I am waiting for the humble in you to say thank you. |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by Demmzy15(m): 11:21am On Feb 26, 2016 |
jcross19:Hitting his head the same way Jesus did! ![]() |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by jcross19: 1:01pm On Feb 26, 2016 |
Demmzy15:can you tell me how judaism people do pray? Are they hitting head on the floor ? |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by Demmzy15(m): 2:08pm On Feb 26, 2016 |
jcross19:Did Jesus hit his head on the floor yes or no? |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by jcross19: 3:19pm On Feb 26, 2016 |
Demmzy15:jesus never did sir. |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by Nteogwuija(m): 7:08pm On Feb 26, 2016 |
uba visa africard just charged me 204.975 to the dollar. I couldn't believe it. but anyways its my luck |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by opomulero(m): 10:28pm On Feb 26, 2016 |
ACCESS BANK CHARGES N305 today |
| Re: Speculators Get Their Fingers Burnt, Naira Strengthens To N310/$ by opomulero(m): 10:30pm On Feb 26, 2016 |
Please I will need Turkish Lira to buy, any info shall be highly appreciated. Thank you Abegi ooooo |
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