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tonie123:
@lekankolade ... I am still waiting for ur answers to my question, don't be shy to answer your pix isn't here...

@tartar9.... calm down, it's no a fighting or insulting matter, as for me I am here to learn, you said "Prophets don't sin in Islam,even if there is any hadith that shows otherwise it simply renders such hadith void"

I would love to read that new hadith in the Quran or where it was written...thanks


But on a second thought, you claim he didn't sin, but sumwhere in the Quran he prayed to Allah for forgivness of sins....

“O Allah! Forgive me my sins that I did in the past or will do in the
future, and also the sins I did in secret or in public.” (Sahih
Bukhari, Hadith 5919)"

How about that oga sir?

lekankolade:
pls if I may ask, did any Muslim ever hold u from going to church? , did u even read your bible reach where he said "judge not so that you shall not be judged? ", I'm very sure dis your argument is not about how much you love Jesus but because of the hatred for another religion.......if everybody thinks d way u reason, d world would have been a hell.....me I don't fight for God, he fights for me

true2god:
Mohammed, an his sahadas, had no any legitimate source of livelihood. Mohammed lived on his first wive's (khadijah) wealth when she was alive. Note that mohammed was 25 when zainab was 40, and by today's standard it is as good as a sugar mummy-sugar son relationship. And note that mohammed was a monogamist when khadija was alive. She will obviosly not allow mohammed to take another woman since she call the shot financially in their 'marriage'.

As soon as khadija died mohammed changed to a polygamist. And in order to maintain the expensive lifestyle that polygamy required, mohammed and his men, had to find excuses for fighting infidels hence robbing them of money, property and women. And allahh asked mohammed to take 20% of all loot for himself (quran 8:41) while the rest go to the sahabas.

Make no mistakes, mohammed does not want all man to follow his religion. He wanted christians and jews to be alive in order to sustain muslims' livelihood by paying the jizya (quran 9:29). The jizya is good for islamic economy since jizya is thrice as much as zakat that muslims are asked to pay (tho theirs is voluntary, jizya is compulsory).

Since the arabs live in desert with its toughness for human habitations, the arabs must find a way to rob non-arabs for survival. Hence it is quranically legitimate to rob infidels of their possessions for not believing in allahh. The muslim arabs have been doing this for hundreds of years and is sanctioned in the quran and in the hadith.

This is a fact non-arab muslims do not want to hear\accept, and arab-muslims are lying about on a daily basis.

oforij:
After knowing all this fact, a full fledged man will still call himself a Muslim cleric... Its such a wack religion...but my Muslim friends are nice and caring.

unphilaz:
twisted... how can they both be sinless and also have mistakes...
Jesus (True Prince of Peace) was sinless while the other had "mistakes"
that are so despicable which was captured in the koran/hadith. If you dont
believe me... search on nairaland truthhurts,truthman,annuki,analice,malvisguy
thread....

Annunaki:
Prophet of doom

Teempakguy:
muhammad did all these?

lies! i don't believe it!

give me the passages and let me go and check it myself.

lekankolade:
Did Holy Prophet Muhammad commit sin?
We will often find Christians taking a lot of pain to prove that
Prophet Muhammad was not sinless and Prophet Jesus was so.
Indeed all the Prophets including, Jesus and Muhammad, peace be
upon them both, were sinless and at times some mistakes made
by them were not sins as such. In the following lines we do explain
the whole thing and expose another Christian lie.
SOME QURANIC VERSES AND THEIR ACTUAL MEANING:
Allah Almighty says in the Holy Quran:
ﻓﺎﺻﺒﺮ ﺇﻥ ﻭﻋﺪ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﺣﻖ ﻭﺍﺳﺘﻐﻔﺮ ﻟﺬﻧﺒﻚ ﻭﺳﺒﺢ ﺑﺤﻤﺪ ﺭﺑﻚ ﺑﺎﻟﻌﺸﻲ ﻭﺍﻟﺈﺑﻜﺎﺭ
“Patiently, then, persevere: for the Promise of Allah is true: and
ask forgiveness for thy fault ( wastaghfir li-zanbika ) , and celebrate
the Praises of thy Lord in the evening and in the morning.” (Quran
40:55)
ﺍﻋﻠﻢ ﺃﻧﻪ ﻟﺎ ﺇﻟﻪ ﺇﻟﺎ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻭﺍﺳﺘﻐﻔﺮ ﻟﺬﻧﺒﻚ ﻭﻟﻠﻤﺆﻣﻨﻴﻦ ﻭﺍﻟﻤﺆﻣﻨﺎﺕ ﻭﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻳﻌﻠﻢ
ﻣﺘﻘﻠﺒﻜﻢ ﻭﻣﺜﻮﺍﻛﻢ
“Know, therefore, that there is no god but Allah, and ask
forgiveness for thy fault ( wastaghfir li-zanbika ), and for the men
and women who believe: for Allah knows how ye move about and
how ye dwell in your homes.” (Quran 47:19)
ﻟﻴﻐﻔﺮ ﻟﻚ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻣﺎ ﺗﻘﺪﻡ ﻣﻦ ﺫﻧﺒﻚ ﻭﻣﺎ ﺗﺄﺧﺮ ﻭﻳﺘﻢ ﻧﻌﻤﺘﻪ ﻋﻠﻴﻚ ﻭﻳﻬﺪﻳﻚ ﺻﺮﺍﻃﺎ
ﻣﺴﺘﻘﻴﻤﺎ
“That Allah may forgive thee ( li-yaghfira laka) thy faults ( zanbika)
of the past and those to follow; fulfill His favour to thee; and guide
thee on the Straight Way;” (Quran 48: 2)
A TOKEN OF HUMILITY AND MODESTY:
One of the morals taught to man by Islam is also this: however
hard and sincerely may man be trying to serve and worship his
Lord and fighting and struggling in the cause of His Religion, he
should never be involved in the misunderstanding that he has done
and accomplished whatever he was required to do. Rather, on the
contrary, he should have the feeling that he has not been able to do
full justice to what was expected of him by his Lord and Master.
Therefore, he should confess his errors constantly and pray to
Allah saying 'Lord, forgive me for whatever fault and error I may have
committed in Your service." , this is indeed the essence of Allah's
Command: 'O Prophet. ask forgiveness for your fault ..'' And in
Hadith we find Holy Prophet (PBUH) praying exactly on the same
lines, e.g.
ﺍﻟﻠﻬﻢ ﺍﻏﻔﺮ ﻟﻲ ﻣﺎ ﻗﺪﻣﺖ ﻭﻣﺎ ﺃﺧﺮﺕ ﻭﻣﺎ ﺃﺳﺮﺭﺕ ﻭﻣﺎ ﺃﻋﻠﻨﺖ
“O Allah! Forgive me my sins that I did in the past or will do in the
future, and also the sins I did in secret or in public.” (Sahih
Bukhari, Hadith 5919)
This does not mean that the Holy Prophet had actually committed
an error willfully, but its correct meaning is that it did not even
behoove the servant who was the greatest worshiper of his Lord
that he should harbor even a tinge of the pride of accomplishment
in his heart, but his true position also was that in spite of all his
great and glorious services he should continue confessing his
shortcomings before his Lord. It was under this state of the mind
that the Holy Prophet often implored his Lord for forgiveness.
One also needs to understand that for a person with more
responsibility and greater honor, the standards are also different.
Holy Prophet (PBUH) received direct revelations from the Almighty
so he was supposed to be the best and at times when he had
actually done no wrong as we can see, he was still admonished
because of the higher levels set for him.
Further, there is a Hadith that gives the answer of the Holy Prophet
(PBUH) as to why did he pray to Allah so much and seek His
Mercy:
ﻋﻦ ﺍﻟﻤﻐﻴﺮﺓ ﻳﻘﻮﻝ ﻗﺎﻡ ﺍﻟﻨﺒﻲ ﺻﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻋﻠﻴﻪ ﻭﺳﻠﻢ ﺣﺘﻰ ﺗﻮﺭﻣﺖ ﻗﺪﻣﺎﻩ ﻓﻘﻴﻞ
ﻟﻪ ﻏﻔﺮ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻟﻚ ﻣﺎ ﺗﻘﺪﻡ ﻣﻦ ﺫﻧﺒﻚ ﻭﻣﺎ ﺗﺄﺧﺮ ﻗﺎﻝ ﺃﻓﻠﺎ ﺃﻛﻮﻥ ﻋﺒﺪﺍ ﺷﻜﻮﺭﺍ
Narrated Al-Mughira (RA): The Prophet used to offer night prayers
till his feet became swollen. Somebody said, to him," "Allah has
forgiven you, your faults of the past and those to follow." On that,
he said, "Shouldn't I be a thankful slave of Allah)?" (Bukhari, Hadith
4459)
A TEACHING FOR THE FOLLOWERS:
Holy Prophet (PBUH) used to ask Allah for forgiveness as a token
of his modesty and also to teach his companions and followers to
do the same.
ﻗﺎﻝ ﺃﺑﻮ ﻫﺮﻳﺮﺓ ﺳﻤﻌﺖ ﺭﺳﻮﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﺻﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻋﻠﻴﻪ ﻭﺳﻠﻢ ﻳﻘﻮﻝ ﻭﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﺇﻧﻲ
ﻟﺄﺳﺘﻐﻔﺮ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻭﺃﺗﻮﺏ ﺇﻟﻴﻪ ﻓﻲ ﺍﻟﻴﻮﻡ ﺃﻛﺜﺮ ﻣﻦ ﺳﺒﻌﻴﻦ ﻣﺮﺓ
Narrated Abu Huraira : I heard Allah's Messenger saying. " By Allah!
I ask for forgiveness from Allah and turn to Him in repentance
more than seventy times a day." (Sahih Bukhari, Hadith 5832)
Another narration makes it absolutely clear that he prayed to Allah
this way as a token of modesty and more importantly to teach his
followers:
ﻳﺤﺪﺙ ﺍﺑﻦ ﻋﻤﺮ ﺃﻧﻪ ﺳﻤﻊ ﺭﺳﻮﻝ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﺻﻠﻰ ﺍﻟﻠﻪ ﻋﻠﻴﻪ ﻭﺳﻠﻢ ﻳﻘﻮﻝ ﻳﺎ ﺃﻳﻬﺎ ﺍﻟﻨﺎﺱ
ﺗﻮﺑﻮﺍ ﺇﻟﻰ ﺭﺑﻜﻢ ﻓﺈﻧﻲ ﺃﺗﻮﺏ ﺇﻟﻴﻪ ﻓﻲ ﺍﻟﻴﻮﻡ ﻣﺎﺋﺔ ﻣﺮﺓ
Ibn Umar narrated: I heard Allah's Messenger saying, "O people
ask Allah for forgiveness verily I ask Him for forgiveness hundred
times a day." (Musnad Ahmad Hadith 17173)
The very words of the Hadith above prove that he did and said this
to inspire his followers to repent to Allah often.
Another interesting point we need to consider here is that Quran
48:2 quoted above which says all the past and future sins of the
Holy Prophet (pbuh) are forgiven was revelaed in 6th year after
Hijrah while Abu Huraira, who is the narrator of the hadith saying
that Holy Prophet (pbuh) repented 70 times a day, accepted Islam
and came to the Holy Prophet in the 7th year after Hijrah. This
proves Holy Prophet (pbuh) prayed even after Allah that verse was
revealed. This is enough to prove that it was only out of modesty
and to teach the followers.
ETYMOLOGY OF THE ARABIC WORDS USED:
According to Mufarridat fi Gharaib al-Quran , a book on the
etymology of the Quranic words, by Isfahani, the word ‘ Ghafar ’
means ‘to cover with something that protects from dirt’ (vol.1
p.362). Keeping this in mind the verses can mean that Holy
Prophet (PBUH) is asked to pray to be saved from the sins.
And as to the word ‘ zanb ’ which generally means ‘sin’ Isfahani in
his above mentioned books says; ‘it is used for every deed whose
outcome is not good.’ (vol.1 p.181) This makes it evident that the
word can be used for everything whose outcome is not good or as
expected. The following supports our contention on these lines.
AN EXAMPLE OF A 'SIN' WHEN IT COMES TO THE PROPHET
(PBUH):
Holy Prophet (PBUH) was once even admonished by the Almighty
and that one event clearly shows what the matter was. It is stated
in Qur'an 80:1.
ﻋﺒﺲ ﻭﺗﻮﻟﻰ ) 1( ﺃﻥ ﺟﺎﺀﻩ ﺍﻟﺄﻋﻤﻰ )2 ( ﻭﻣﺎ ﻳﺪﺭﻳﻚ ﻟﻌﻠﻪ ﻳﺰﻛﻰ ) 3( ﺃﻭ ﻳﺬﻛﺮ
ﻓﺘﻨﻔﻌﻪ ﺍﻟﺬﻛﺮﻯ ) 4( ﺃﻣﺎ ﻣﻦ ﺍﺳﺘﻐﻨﻰ ) 5( ﻓﺄﻧﺖ ﻟﻪ ﺗﺼﺪﻯ )6 ( ﻭﻣﺎ ﻋﻠﻴﻚ ﺃﻟﺎ
ﻳﺰﻛﻰ )7 ( ﻭﺃﻣﺎ ﻣﻦ ﺟﺎﺀﻙ ﻳﺴﻌﻰ ) 8( ﻭﻫﻮ ﻳﺨﺸﻰ )9 ( ﻓﺄﻧﺖ ﻋﻨﻪ ﺗﻠﻬﻰ
"He frowned and turned away his face because there came up to
him the blind man. And what would make you know that he might
reform, or heed the admonition, and admonishing might profit
him? As for him who is indifferent, to him you attend, though you
would not be responsible if he did not reform. And the one 'who
comes to you running, of his own will, and fears, from him you turn
away." (Qur'an 80:1-10)
It so happened that Holy Prophet (PBUH) was talking to some
leaders of Makkah who had not embraced Islam and right them
one of his companions Ibn Umm Maktum came in and Holy
Prophet (PBUH) disliked his entry at that time. In fact Holy Prophet
(PBUH) thought that even if a single man from among the people
whom he was trying to bring to the right path, listened to him and
was rightly guided, be could become a powerful means of
strengthening Islam. Therefore, none of his companions should
interrupt at that time; whatever he wanted to ask or learn, he could
ask or learn at some later time.
By this style the Holy Prophet (PBUH), by a subtle method, has
been made to realize that it was an act unseemly for him. Had
somebody familiar with his high morals witnessed it, he would
have thought that it was not he but some other person who had
behaved in that manner.
So, this was a deed which the Holy Prophet (PBUH) did, and was
disliked by the Almighty Allah. We can see Holy Prophet's (PBUH)
intention was not to commit sin and hurt anyone but Allah who
knew that those to the Prophet was talking were not sincere but
the blind man who came was sincere. And so he was admonished.
This is a clear manifestation that for Holy Prophet (PBUH) the
standards were much higher. And so what’s called a 'sin' is only
this much when it comes to The Most Perfect of All Humans.
NOW LET ME TURN THE TABLES!
Having explained the Quranic verses that Christians misinterpret,
now we come to the Bible and what it tells us about Jesus Christ
(PBUH) whom Christians take not a holy man or perfect human but
God Incarnate.
According to the Gospel of Matthew:
Jesus (PBUH) prayed to the Father in the Heaven; “And forgive us
our debts, as we forgive our debtors.” (Matthew 6:12)
The Greek word translated as ‘debts’ is opheilēma ( of-i'-lay-mah ) ,
which according to Strong’s Bible Dictionary (Entry G3783) means
‘something owed, that is, (figuratively) a due.; morally a fault: -
debt.’ In Thayer’s lexicon the words ‘offense’ and ‘sin’ are clearly
used.
Infact according to Smith and Van Dyke Arabic Bible , the word
used to denote the actual Greek word is ‘ zunubana ’ (i.e. our sins):
( ﻭﺍﻏﻔﺮ ﻟﻨﺎ ﺫﻧﻮﺑﻨﺎ ﻛﻤﺎ ﻧﻐﻔﺮ ﻧﺤﻦ ﺃﻳﻀﺎ ﻟﻠﻤﺬﻧﺒﻴﻦ ﺇﻟﻴﻨﺎ ) transliterated as
‘waghfirlana zunubana’ i.e. forgive us our sins. Infact same words
are used in Quran and Hadith where there is a mention of sin
concerning Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
Agreed that the context of the verse says he asked his disciples to
pray this way but Bible proves he himself often prayed to God and
it no where says he prayed differently.
Further Jesus (pbuh) was Baptized by John the Baptist and we
know about John the Basptist; "And he came into all the country
about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the
remission of sins." (Luke 3:3)
Now Christians can take only two courses; either they can argue
that this is only in fugitive sense or a lesson for the disciples and
later followers. We, the Muslims, have no problem with either of
these explanations but this only exposes the double standards of
the Christians.
If Jesus Christ, the ‘God Incarnate’ and a ‘God’ himself can pray for
the forgiveness of his sins and take the Bapstism of repentance
then there is no problem in Prophet Muhammad who was human
only, indeed the best and perfect of them but a human still, doing
the same. A human, however great needs to show his modesty but
not so a divine person as Christians think of Jesus.
And also the fact that it makes more sense of Prophet Muhammad
(PBUH), who came with a doctrine of salvation based on good
deeds and repentance, asking the Almighty God for forgiveness
teaching his followers the same then Jesus (PBUH) who as per
Christian belief brought the gift of salvation merely through his
own vicarious sacrifice.
These double standards of the Christians remind one of Jesus
(PBUH) who said:
"First cast out the beam out of your own eye; and then shall you
see clearly to cast out the mote out of your brother's
eye." (Matthew 7:5)
And also: "You blind guides, you strain out a gnat, and swallow the
camel." (Mathew 23:24)
INDEED ALLAH KNOWS THE BEST !!!

tonie123:
Very long write up but I took the pains to read it.

But there are some things I stilll don't get, are you trying to justify his actions because he prayed for forgiveness?

And also somewhere you said he didn't do those things willingly, was he under the influence of drugs or alcohol or where any of those sinful act unavoidable?

Oga sir to him whom much is given much more is expected, put yourself in his shoes if you God a revelation Allah you saw and heard from him constantly, allah personally sent you to teach his commandment to his people...... Are you trying to tell me that you would have comittted those much atrocities? Even after you've had 1 on 1encounter with allah?

Come on, think about this, I think there is something wrong somewhere.

tartar9:
shut your an*s MORÔN! Prophets don't sin in Islam,even if there is any hadith that shows otherwise it simply renders such hadith void,they are not the maniacs in your bible.all the nonsense you posted including genocide,mass rape,taking other people's wives to crushing babies with rocks or sending bears to dismember children and numerous other atrocities are all typical of your biblical prophets and that crucified IDIOT! you worship.I don't expect a brainless goat like you to feel any shame or repulsion over those acts nd thats your business but dont you ever associate those evils on the holy being of the Seal of Prophethood Muhammad(SAW) just let them stay on your dead god.

lekankolade:
pls if I may ask, did any Muslim ever hold u from going to church? , did u even read your bible reach where he said "judge not so that you shall not be judged? ", I'm very sure dis your argument is not about how much you love Jesus but because of the hatred for another religion.......if everybody thinks d way u reason, d world would have been a hell.....me I don't fight for God, he fights for me

lekankolade:
pls if I may ask, did any Muslim ever hold u from going to church? , did u even read your bible reach where he said "judge not so that you shall not be judged? ", I'm very sure dis your argument is not about how much you love Jesus but because of the hatred for another religion.......if everybody thinks d way u reason, d world would have been a hell.....me I don't fight for God, he fights for me

true2god:
Bukhari Vol.1 Bk.7 No.1331 “The Prophet said, ‘I have been given five things which were not given to any one else before me.

1. Allah made me victorious by awe by His terrorizing my enemies.

2. The earth has been made for me.

3. Booty has been made lawful for me yet it was not lawful for anyone else before me.

4. I have been given the right of intercession.

5. Every Prophet used to be sent to his nation only but I have been sent to all mankind.’”

Quran-8:1— “They ask thee concerning (things taken as) spoils of war (booty). Say: “(such) spoils are at the disposal of Allah and the Messenger: So fear Allah, and keep straight the relations between yourselves: Obey Allah and His Messenger, if ye do believe.”

Quran-8:41— “And know that out of all the booty that ye may acquire (in war), a fifth share is assigned to Allah and the Messenger, and to near relatives, orphans, the needy, and the wayfarer, – if ye do believe in Allah and in the revelation We sent down to Our servant on the Day of Testing, – the Day of the meeting of the two forces. For Allah hath power over all things.”

analice107:
Yes Bros, muslims stops us from going to church. How long have you been in that Coma? All over the world muslims are killing Christians and burning churches, what else do you want muslims to do to show that they don't want us going to church?

You don't fight for God ndeh? But he fights for you though boko haram, Isis and all other Islamic organizations. Kontinu

Demmzy15:
Your god Jesus died as a criminals, his god a pedophile impregnated Mary at the age of oil? 1 12. She married another pedophile who was 90years, so you basically have described and exposed the Pauline cult. Flat'head!

lekankolade:
Oga biko, dis argument had been closed since, so y bringing the issue up again?..isorite

analice107:
Plse everyone, calm down and read what Muhammed counted up here as the things allahh has given to him, and you will see, the same attributes to what Satan offered to Jesus if h(Jesus) will bow down and worship him.
Matt 4:8 - 9 Again, Satan taketh him to an exceeding high mouthing and in a moment of time showed him all the kingdoms of the world and the glory there of;
9. And said to him, all these will I give to you, if you will bow down and worship me.
It's very obvious Muhammed was fooled into believing Satan, he bowed, so he went about with the impression that the world belongs to him. Now his servants are fighting so hard to claim the world for Muhammed.
These muslims don't think. They talk of the last day and judgment, yet they want to claim the whole world. what will they do with the whole world if they claim it, then the end comes? Will the Muslims devide the world amongst themselves and take it with them to allahh and the Muslims heaven? because, for Christians, anyone who concentrates on worldly things is not serious. Not even the clothes you are wearing will go with you when that time comes. So we don't kill others to claim the world. We are just passing through it.

analice107:
Then what are you still doing in this thread?
You think everyone is a bro right?

lekankolade:
Matt 5;9

analice107:
What about it?

parisbookaddict:
What is thiS ur lonG boring post supposed to do? Vindicate moharmmad?
Mohammed said some nice things a lot of which he got from the Jewish torah so ur are missing the point.

He also said and did a lot of bad things.

Have u ever slept with a child?

Robbed a caravan,

Raped a married woman who you killed her
people,

slept with your son's ex wife,

beheaded
people, bought or sold a slave,

killed someone who insulted you.

[s]If you have never done this
then you are a better person than mohammed.[/s]

Mohammed was a very intelligent con man and false prophet who got rich and amassed women through terror and al taqiyya.

Like modern day false pastors who sleep with peoples wives and buy mansions but far worse.