#ambode

I have a recommendation to make. There's a prof in LASU. He did a lot with the last administration and has so much to loose if he collects bribe. He'll be good to head this investigative panel.
That prof Na concrete He wowed me at the 2014 conference.

I don't want to mention name.

Sorry, I don't trust any of your boys. I mean the boys in the agencies. Let them just do paper works and prepare their reports.

We know you can do this.

skimanski:




Ahhh!!!! comeon you dont insult people nah! is that how you talk? If you like Cheap things, you buy nah. If you disagree with my comments,you just disagree and dont Insult.

China makes Phones that do not last the 5th Charging Circle, or that might burn your other appliances, so are you telling me the biggest problem to that is the Government control or the Subcribers? You buy a house for 25m. Thats not even up to the price of land in that area. but you want to use that money to own a complete house, whose Daft now? You can see the Writing on the wall yet you still push the botton and open the door. So whose Daft?

Please Carefully comment next time and dont insult people. I beg you. Lets be matured.

Skimanski, I am surprised by your position.

In CONTRACT, there is a wiling seller and willing buyer. Lekki Gardens covenanted to supply houses of certain quality at a certain price. The buyer was satisfied with the QUALITY and found the price attractive so an agreement was reached. The buyer fulfill his part of the CONTRACT. It is now left for Lekki Gardens to deliver the house of the specified quality.

Legally, the buyer has done NOTHING wrong! You can see that police is not looking for the subscribers. However, they are looking now for the DIRECTORS of Lekki Gardens. They have also arrested some of the contractors.

As a professional, you need to ensure that you demonstrate professionalism in ALL that you do. This may be the beginning of the end for Lekki Gardens. When the rule book is thrown at them, I doubt that they will survive.

If you handle big projects, you may have to take insurance for professional indemnity!

mavverick:
Oga twinskenny

When you say contractor, do you mean LG as a company or the actual subcontractor that put up the building, the one that LG asked to build it ?
Make we bet am, nothing will happen to LG and in a few months time when the dust settles, they will start selling again. This is nija, you will just hear that the foreigners mostly Cotonou and Togo people have been settled.

I doubt that Lekki Garden will survive this. Firstly they will have to refund the buyers of those flats. There will likely be civil and criminal cases against them that may require them to pay huge damages.

mavverick:
Thank you for answering my question.
Let me ask, are you a registered COREN engineer ? Do you do structural design work and produce the drawings such that a builder and I myself can understand, as I had to learn how to read plans when it got to one stage.

Would you also require a site visit before you do your structural design ?
Should Architect also be the one/with his cronies etc to do the mechanical design and also the electrical one ? Reason I ask is coz i remember this causing delays and my architect said that he was waiting on the electrical people to finish the electrical design ? Same with mechanical, but some aspects of it were changed during the course of construction.

The structural design must be approved by a civil/structural engineer with his seal and COREN stamp on it.

Electrical and mechanical designs are not required for small buildings BUT for large developments, they are suppose to be approved by COREN registered engineers with their respective seal and approval. Architects are not 'qualified' to APPROVE Structural, mechanical or electrical designs.

During CONSTRUCTION, you need those that did the design to SUPERVISE relevant aspect of the CONSTRUCTION. You will see a small print on your designs stating that the engineers (including architects) are not liable for designs not supervised by them.

abdulwastecx:


Wholesome analysis sir. It is clear that the customer ( home owner) have zero blame, since they pay for a service that was rendered by a supposed competent film. The blame should be on the developer.

It make business sense as clearly illustrated by you, and to think of it this way, less than 10 % of Nigeria population can even come up with a 25% for a dwelling accommodation.

It is sad that people who invest their hard earned money lost their investment to a dubious organization

If they have a sales agreement in place, Lekki Gardens will have to REFUND the money! It is Lekki Gardens and the CONTRACTORS that are the ultimate loser.

brabus:


Who are you sef? Must you make sense all the time. You also top with up with mathematical calculations. You are the only engineer who proves his worth here unlike me. I expect those engineering jargon and mathematical calculations to be thrown in at all times by seasoned engineers and you never failed to disappoint me.

God bless you real good.

Thank you my oga.. But I am not an engineer yet, don't let COREN come after me lol. We are getting there sha. Thanks sir.

Intelligent Contributor spotted. I'm listening and taking good notes

I recently asked who issued the Performance Bond and Contractors Insurance. All those working on the project are supposed to be insured if they did this right.

How did I know? I've been through this before now.

abdulwastecx:


Thank you my oga.. But I am not an engineer yet, don't let COREN cone after me lol. We are getting there sha. Thanks sir.

Forget those titles. If you want, I fit dash you for free.

Get there on time o. The world is waiting for you. If I give you the CV of those behind Circle Mall Lekki, you'll know where you ought to be.
Take some time to learn the business part and move to where your brain is needed. Just an advice.

I just gbadun your style.

mavverick:

Make we bet am, nothing will happen to LG and in a few months time when the dust settles, they will start selling again. This is nija, you will just hear that the foreigners mostly Cotonou and Togo people have been settled.

I think Maverrick is right on this. I spoke with a retired public servant (high profile) this morning and he told me Lekki Gardens can swim the murky water by piping low for now and offering 200k per person ( ) to their embassy here in Naija and that's it. The person in question is an authority in things like this. So, i believe him.
Has anything happened to SCOAN with the number of SA nationals lost in the collapse? No!

So if a kangaroo committee is setup, we know what to expect.

Beulah09:

I doubt that Lekki Garden will survive this. Firstly they will have to refund the buyers of those flats. There will likely be civil and criminal cases against them that may require them to pay huge damages.

However, if men of integrity. People who can be bold to say it as it is, like this man who choose to ignore me, constitute the investigative panel. Then, Lekki Gardens is in for a serious trouble.

mavverick:
Thank you for answering my question.
Let me ask, are you a registered COREN engineer ? Do you do structural design work and produce the drawings such that a builder and I myself can understand, as I had to learn how to read plans when it got to one stage.

Would you also require a site visit before you do your structural design ?
Should Architect also be the one/with his cronies etc to do the mechanical design and also the electrical one ? Reason I ask is coz i remember this causing delays and my architect said that he was waiting on the electrical people to finish the electrical design ? Same with mechanical, but some aspects of it were changed during the course of construction.

I am not a registered engineer yet.
I do structural design work and produce the drawing in accordance to standard method of detailing structural concrete, in which all the calculations are detailed drawing are check by registered engineer.

Electrical and plumbing (mechanical design) will depend on the complexity of the building.

Site visitation ( Geotechnical analysis) and engineering survey will be a necessary thing to do before commencing the project.
The soil test should be carried out by an independent film and the result should be presented to the structural designer to design and proposed a reasonable foundation type and specifications of the structural members. The survey we enable him to know how to control flooding and nothing horizontal and vertical alignment of the structure.

But we have to know that in design, two type of structural members suffices namely, sub structure ( all members below the building ground level which depends on engineering properties of the soil) and super structure, those above building ground level ( these are independent of the soil properties.

These super structural members ( suspended roof/ floor slabs, beam, column, reinforced wall etc are further divide into depend and independent structures.
Slab is an independent structural members because it only depends on its self weight and weight of occupancy (imposed or life load), wind load ( high rise building where it is a flat slab).
Beams depend on its self weight and weight from slab.
Column depend on its self weight and weight from beam ( beam and slab) and flat slab alone.
These other members are dependent structures.

I am glad that me and BRABUS agree on something for once, its been a long time since that last happened.

This case would have been one where are top law firms (Aluko & Oyebode,Banwo & Ighodalo,Olaniwun Ajayi LP,Udo Udoma & Belo-Osagie), could have taken up a pro-bono case for the plaintiffs, its a guaranteed win win case and LG will be the first ones coming out to settle out of court.

But guess what, unlikely to happen as they patronise same ashawos and drink at the same joints.

brabus:


I think Maverrick is right on this. I spoke with a retired public servant (high profile) this morning and he told me Lekki Gardens can swim the murky water by piping low for now and offering 200k per person ( ) to their embassy here in Naija and that's it. The person in question is an authority in things like this. So, i believe him.
Has anything happened to SCOAN with the number of SA nationals lost in the collapse? No!

So if a kangaroo committee is setup, we know what to expect.




However, if men of integrity. People who can be bold to say it as it is like this man who choose to ignore me, constitute the investigative panel. Then, Lekki Gardens is in for a serious trouble.

brabus:


I'll charge you for plagiarism. Everybody is to be blamed. Including those who choose to be economical with the truth and refused to raise alarm when they sense danger. And those who felt God should be blamed. And those who blamed ocholu.
Hi

Evidence attached.

https://www.nairaland.com/2550211/off-topic-thread-discuss-anything-everything/157#43596822

You have an over inflated opinion of yourself.

You think you are the only one attached to the construction industry here?

mavverick:
I am glad that me and BRABUS agree on something for once, its been a long time since that last happened.

This case would have been one where are top law firms (Aluko & Oyebode,Banwo & Ighodalo,Olaniwun Ajayi LP,Udo Udoma & Belo-Osagie), could have taken up a pro-bono case for the plaintiffs, its a guaranteed win win case and LG will be the first ones coming out to settle out of court.

But guess what, unlikely to happen as they patronise same ashawos and drink at the same joints.

This is Lagos! Person know person especially if you're a member of the Island Club like the Oga above.

I agree Omo Ibo will swim without prejudice. You don't want to know the stakeholders.

So I see the police putting the contractors' music on the replay. He's the only one culpable here. And smartly enough, Lekki Gardens do not get involved in material supplies.

oyb:


You have an over inflated opinion of yourself.

You think you are the only one attached to the construction industry here?

Oga, it's not yet happy hour o. I'm just telling you that you've corroborated my position on the matter as per who to be blamed.

Thanks. I'm just pulling your trouser

Beulah09:


Skimanski, I am surprised by your position.

In CONTRACT, there is a wiling seller and willing buyer. Lekki Gardens covenanted to supply houses of certain quality at a certain price. The buyer was satisfied with the QUALITY and found the price attractive so an agreement was reached. The buyer fulfill his part of the CONTRACT. It is now left for Lekki Gardens to deliver the house of the specified quality.

Legally, the buyer has done NOTHING wrong! You can see that police is not looking for the subscribers. However, they are looking now for the DIRECTORS of Lekki Gardens. They have also arrested some of the contractors.

As a professional, you need to ensure that you demonstrate professionalism in ALL that you do. This may be the beginning of the end for Lekki Gardens. When the rule book is thrown at them, I doubt that they will survive.

If you handle big projects, you may have to take insurance for professional indemnity!

Exactly.

Which is why I laugh at certain entities on here that prance around as if they've commissioned the Taj Mahal itself.

Real heavyweight projects have principals who carry insurance and indemnity.

This way no one will be shrieking that materials were stolen onsite or they are owed crumbs.

Does Nigeria have a whistleblowing mechanism?

If a citizen spots or suspectd defects in commercial building and has photographic proof, is there an agency that it can be reported to?

This may encourage people to turn stuff in and potentially help save lives.

brabus:


I think Maverrick is right on this. I spoke with a retired public servant (high profile) this morning and he told me Lekki Gardens can swim the murky water by piping low for now and offering 200k per person ( ) to their embassy here in Naija and that's it. The person in question is an authority in things like this. So, i believe him.
Has anything happened to SCOAN with the number of SA nationals lost in the collapse? No!

So if a kangaroo committee is setup, we know what to expect.




However, if men of integrity. People who can be bold to say it as it is, like this man who choose to ignore me, constitute the investigative panel. Then, Lekki Gardens is in for a serious trouble.

If you know how the business work, Lekki Gardens will have to die and resurrect as another company!

Firstly, the loss from the collapse building is enough to KILL the company!

Then I expect the government to go after them on their other projects/buildings. Additionally, no one will pay for their other buildings so you can imagine the effect on cashflow. In other climes, they will file for bankruptcy.

For the contractors/Engineers, the professional bodies will likely blacklist or withdraw their licenses.

I just hope builders here are learning!

abdulwastecx:


Thank you my oga.. But I am not an engineer yet, don't let COREN come after me lol. We are getting there sha. Thanks sir.

Cosmetic COREN! Codeless since 1824

I'm learning what they won't teach you in schools here.

Ride on Sir Beulah09.

Aventures:
Your last point here is what i really stressed in my post. Building collapse may be due to Natural disaster that is beyond engineering control, and as well as structural failure that may arise frombso many factors. I refused to put this blame on structural consultant because i have worked in one of the real estate development firm some years back, and i quit within six months because of my future career. Most of them don't have any engineering background and so they don't ha e any respect for engineering procedures and consultancy.

Same experience i had in Abj.

I worked for 2 months and resigned before my third payday.

1st Me and another engr were employed same day but i had far more experience. They made him my chief engineer just because the developer and he were from same state in the south south.

2ndly, My chief could not do anything without my opinion and sends me to challenging sites while he takes sites that only require brick laying. Most times he invites me to his site only to ask about his site's challenge.

3rdly and the last straw was when a third engr was later brought in to head the engineering team. As amusing as it was, he was a chemical engineer heading the engineering team of a real estate developing coy. We had 2 shouting matches in front of labourers and in a meeting. I had played him into accepting a responsibility that took away alot of mine and others and slowing work. That was the responsibility to hire, negotiate and pay workers. Once he took that upon himself, i became a consultant. Once he hired for a day, i go to site and give the scope of work, if its done or not, its not my business since workers report to him. Hell broke lose when he couldnt force me control the workers he hired and they became lazy as the person paying them isnt there to appreciate them. Labourers ended up doing one days work in 2 days and him paying twice as much for labour.

This coy's management were entirely family and none is a professional of any of the real estate development discipline. The director of projects, a brother to the MD/CEO read geography. The rest are either accountants (MD's wife and director of finance/admin) or lawyers (MD's wife's brother Director legal). Worst is that the beautiful female staff have been fvcked in turns while the circle of brothers and inlaws prey on all usually beautiful female supply marketers.

@ Adanny01, what's the lesson learned? I'm sure you know that the professional bodies in Nigeria have failed its members on numerous occasions.

What can be done to prevent this? This is one of the change we are clamouring for.

adanny01:


This coy's management were entirely family and none is a professional of any of the real estate development discipline. The director of projects, a brother to the MD/CEO read geography. The rest are either accountants (MD's wife and director of finance/admin) or lawyers (MD's wife's brother Director legal). Worst is that the beautiful female staff have been fvcked in turns while the circle of brothers and inlaws prey on all usually beautiful female supply marketers.

4kup!!!
Y u no try flirt MD wife?
Maybe u 4 don become EGM by now

EgunMogaji:
Does Nigeria have a whistleblowing mechanism?

If a citizen spots or suspectd defects in commercial building and has photographic proof, is there an agency that it can be reported to?

This may encourage people to turn stuff in and potentially help save lives.

For where? My truck damaged a public utility sometimes ago and I was called to the accident scene.

When I met the police who were the first to get to the scene, they were like "Are you not going to move this thing now before people see you?" Imagine that coming from the protector of public interest.

The same thing applies to all other agencies.

The prices of the lekki gardens houses were not too low. They had huge economies of scale to build.Economies of scale in buying materials etc. That is how they were able to make money selling for such prices.apart from the money they made on all sorts of management fees and electricity fees.

This is simply a case of GREED. They could have made money easily building solid buildings... they just decided to cut corners since there are several people home and abroad who want to own houses at all cost.

On buyers part, I think people have a responsibility to do their due diligence on whatever building they are buying...However Lagos state government is highly culpable. A lot of people bought these building because they "believed" that no one could be putting up these massive structures without government approval....
There is no way they put up all those buildings that are not up to code without someone looking the other way.

brabus:


For where? My truck damaged a public utility sometimes ago and I was called to the accident scene.

When I met the police who were the first to get to the scene, they were like "Are you not going to move this thing now before people see you?" Imagine that coming from the protector of public interest.

The same thing applies to all other agencies.

Are u sure its NPF?
The police I know would impound the truck 1st and ask u to bail it if not in addition to urself

44chux:

Are u sure its NPF?
The police I know would impound the truck 1st and ask u to bail it if not in addition to urself

Of course, you know the drills. The question was asked after exchange of favors. When I got to the site, they don't know who I am. They were playing Jack Bauer. "Where's the driver of this truck?" "Inspector! Call office"

When I greeted them and introduce myself, na him the story change.

brabus:


For where? My truck damaged a public utility sometimes ago and I was called to the accident scene.

When I met the police who were the first to get to the scene, they were like "Are you not going to move this thing now before people see you?" Imagine that coming from the protector of public interest.

The same thing applies to all other agencies.

Did you get the public utility damaged by your truck repaired?

back2sender:

Did you get the public utility damaged by your truck repaired?

You got me there. There were 4 estates where the accident occurred and I went with the police to meet the CSO of one of the estate where I happened to have worked before to explain the incident and my plan to fix the damages.

Luckily for me, one of the engineers who worked on the infrastructure drove by and wanted to take pics of the truck and I asked him if there's any reason for doing so because I'm the owner of the truck. He explained himself and we exchange cards.

The stuff has been fixed now.

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Very typical,
that establishment is a hot mess waiting to hit the proverbial fan.
wise of you to haul a$$ when you did, not just for professional reasons but for your own safety, somebody's negligence could stir up a $hit storm that could swallow you too

adanny01:


Same experience i had in Abj.

I worked for 2 months and resigned before my third payday.

1st Me and another engr were employed same day but i had far more experience. They made him my chief engineer just because the developer and he were from same state in the south south.

2ndly, My chief could not do anything without my opinion and sends me to challenging sites while he takes sites that only require brick laying. Most times he invites me to his site only to ask about his site's challenge.

3rdly and the last straw was when a third engr was later brought in to head the engineering team. As amusing as it was, he was a chemical engineer heading the engineering team of a real estate developing coy. We had 2 shouting matches in front of labourers and in a meeting. I had played him into accepting a responsibility that took away alot of mine and others and slowing work. That was the responsibility to hire, negotiate and pay workers. Once he took that upon himself, i became a consultant. Once he hired for a day, i go to site and give the scope of work, if its done or not, its not my business since workers report to him. Hell broke lose when he couldnt force me control the workers he hired and they became lazy as the person paying them isnt there to appreciate them. Labourers ended up doing one days work in 2 days and him paying twice as much for labour.

This coy's management were entirely family and none is a professional of any of the real estate development discipline. The director of projects, a brother to the MD/CEO read geography. The rest are either accountants (MD's wife and director of finance/admin) or lawyers (MD's wife's brother Director legal). Worst is that the beautiful female staff have been fvcked in turns while the circle of brothers and inlaws prey on all usually beautiful female supply marketers.

Exactly,
I mean why would I buy a home from a developer whose building just collapsed. that's a PR Nightmare
It'll take more than a PR Miracle to restore LG's reputation. Navigating the litigation and culpability storm will be an easier challenge given the system we're in

Beulah09:


If you know how the business work, Lekki Gardens will have to die and resurrect as another company!

Firstly, the loss from the collapse building is enough to KILL the company!

Then I expect the government to go after them on their other projects/buildings. Additionally, no one will pay for their other buildings so you can imagine the effect on cashflow. In other climes, they will file for bankruptcy.

For the contractors/Engineers, the professional bodies will likely blacklist or withdraw their licenses.

I just hope builders here are learning!

wizbeatz01:
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You cannot advertise on this thread. However, you can lash out wildly in jealousy with half baked nursery school style angry tantrums, question heritage and lineage of folks, write long poetic sentences on an innocent simple structure but you cannot advertise

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