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paxonel:
simple,
look at the template of how Jesus interpreted his parables you will understand everything.. be it complex or simple.
in matt 13:37-38
the sower represent
the son of man, the field represent the world and
the tares represent the children of darkness in
Jesus parables .
this is how to understand figurative languages.
The mysteries of God's kingdom can never be mysteries again.
You will understand everything from matthew to revelation just like u understand your school curriculum without contradictions or fallacies

babafemi1000 mentioned 1 thes 4:16-17
what will you say about that?

paxonel:
the sripture didn't say all these ones?
all these were products of fallacies of ancient Catholic church and not scriptures.
Funny enough, ancient Catholic theologians have all died long time ago, their mistake is now affecting current day Christianity negatively.
Current day christians have the responsibility to identify these mistakes and go back to the basics how it used to be when the disciples saw Christianity as one faith and one salvation here on earth.
The way you are looking at your Matthew 24:27 is one of the many fallacies of ancient theologians who never felt the 4 walls of university education.
Go and summarize the whole chapter of Matthew 24 you will understand why verse 27 is there.
all these things were even prophecies of Daniel who prophecied the coming of Jesus who has already come to die.
Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
So, read the whole chapter and understand.
stop following pastors.
The jews were waiting for the Messiah.
Few of them knew the Jesus was the Messiah to come.
Jesus was telling them this is time of the coming of the Messiah who was actually Jesus himself.
They didn't know.


The only thing Jesus mentioned that will occur at the future of that time of Matthew 24 was persecution of christians at
Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
From verse 15 down he was talking about things that were happening right in the presence of the disciples who were listening to him.
abomination of desolation as prophesied by Daniel happened at that time.
people who were on roof top have to flee to the mountains abandoning their clothes and belonging for Jesus sake.
Peter says we have left all and follow thee.
So, There was great tribulation that has never happened before since the history of mankind up to that point of Jesus days .
ok, Revelation 19
By the let me ask,
what do you take revelation of John for?
prophecies of our future??
my guy, you are lost.
Revelation of John is record about Jesus and what he will do when he come to die for mankind which has already occur 2000 ago
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ(referring to the whole book of revelation from chapter 1 to 22), which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS (meaning, it will come to pass shortly after the time John documented the record(including your revelation 19), which is approximately 2000 years ago ); and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
Now, the question is
is 2000 years ago a short time?
after 2000 years plus, you people are still waiting?
you must be dreaming.
You people Don't think at all to understand times.
If rapture was going to happen true true, that is how it would have pass you people.
because you Don't think.
Esp africans

I'm appalled at the way you faulted the integrity of the scriptures when I quoted verses you couldn't explain. Blaming it on the catholic church?

Secondly, you say revelations predicts the coming of Jesus, his coming into the world to die 2000 years ago? Really? Is this all you can say? This is so wrong and twisted.

So this means that John got the revelation before Jesus came? Which John are you talking about?

From the word of God, it was John the beloved apostle who got the revelation. History dates this AD not BC.

Hildalicious:
babafemi1000 mentioned 1 thes 4:16-17
what will you say about that?

I'm trying to avoid writing plenty things that's why.
Seriously, the problem in christianity is so numerous to address.
well, i will keep taking them one after the other.
1 thes 4: 16-17 is not referring to rapture or people flying to the clouds. rather, it refers to resurrection of the dead.
you will understand this when you start reading from verse 14
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus(meaning, them who died as christians ) will God bring with him(meaning, will God resurrect them with Christ ).
4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive(people who are not yet dead ) and remain unto the coming of the Lord(and remain alive until they die,the day we die marks the coming of the Lord ) shall not prevent them which are asleep(shall not stop those who died from resurrecting ).
4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God(a figurative language which means we will all die some day, death is like a calling using sound of trumpet, that it is time for us to die and face judgement ): and the dead in Christ shall rise first(christians shall resurrect first, followed by non christians, to face judgement as explained in revelation: after judgement, christians will live on., while non christians will be condemned which is the second death, lake of fire is a figurative language which means second death ).
Note that this judgement happens everyday as people die here on earth everyday.
4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.( another figurative language which means we christians that alive will interact with those that resurrect here on earth )
To caught up together in the clouds does not mean Clouds.
clouds is used figuratively which means heaven on earth .
Do you know that this earth has become God's kingdom?
you should know that if you understand Jesus parables

babafemi1000:
I'm appalled at the way you faulted the integrity of the scriptures when I quoted verses you couldn't explain. Blaming it on the catholic church?

Secondly, you say revelations predicts the coming of Jesus, his coming into the world to die 2000 years ago? Really? Is this all you can say? This is so wrong and twisted.

So this means that John got the revelation before Jesus came? Which John are you talking about?

From the word of God, it was John the beloved apostle who got the revelation. History dates this AD not BC.

You know, John the beloved lived at the period when Jesus was yet to be crucified, he was one of the disciples who recorded the event of his crucifixion.
John 21:24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
But whether he got the revelation before or after the crucifixion i wouldn't know.
The bottomline is, his revelation was a record and not a prophecy.
prophecies tells you what will happen in the future.
records are account testifying something, and the testimony of his revelation is that, that Jesus the jews crucified was the expected Messiah that is to come.
You know, the jews were waiting for the Messiah to come, which is the Christ (signs of his coming recorded in matt 24,what today Christians sees in the Bible and other verses such as 2 thes 4:16-17 that describes death of men and resurrection, and start calling them second coming of Christ or rapture which were error of ancient theologians that need to be corrected this generation).
so, the jews never wanted to believe that Jesus is the Christ, even till this day.
Hence, John was given that revelation to bear a record to the jews, that Jesus is the Christ

paxonel:
I'm trying to avoid writing plenty things that's why.
Seriously, the problem in christianity is so numerous to address.
well, i will keep taking them one after the other.
1 thes 4: 16-17 is not referring to rapture or people flying to the clouds. rather, it refers to resurrection of the dead.
you will understand this when you start reading from verse 14
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus(meaning, them who died as christians ) will God bring with him(meaning, will God resurrect them with Christ ).
4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive(people who are not yet dead ) and remain unto the coming of the Lord(and remain alive until they die,the day we die marks the coming of the Lord ) shall not prevent them which are asleep(shall not stop those who died from resurrecting ).
4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God(a figurative language which means we will all die some day, death is like a calling using sound of trumpet, that it is time for us to die and face judgement ): and the dead in Christ shall rise first(christians shall resurrect first, followed by non christians, to face judgement as explained in revelation: after judgement, christians will live on., while non christians will be condemned which is the second death, lake of fire is a figurative language which means second death ).
Note that this judgement happens everyday as people die here on earth everyday.
4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.( another figurative language which means we christians that alive will interact with those that resurrect here on earth )
To caught up together in the clouds does not mean Clouds.
clouds is used figuratively which means heaven on earth .
Do you know that this earth has become God's kingdom?
you should know that if you understand Jesus parables

1 cor 15:52 also talk about sound of the trumpet.
could it be rapture?

Hildalicious:
1 cor 15:52 also talk about sound of the trumpet. could it be rapture?

no It's still talking about the same thing as 1thes 4:16-17. It's talking about the resurrection of the dead. not rapture

paxonel:
no It's still talking about the same thing as 1thes 4:16-17. It's talking about the resurrection of the dead. not rapture

But in rapture, the dead will ressurrect

Hildalicious:
But in rapture, the dead will ressurrect

and be carried to a mysterious place away from the surface of the earth?
no, that is not resurrection.
resurrection entails that they will come back to this life, then those of us who are alive here on earth shall be caught up with the resurrected here on earth.
That means, we shall interact with them, see them and relate with them, here on earth.
if they do not come back to life here on earth, then, that is not resurrection.
of what use to people who are carried misteriously to the clouds to us who still remain here on earth?
How do we know that they were truly resurrected?
the only way we will know is for them to interact with us who are alive

paxonel:
and be carried to a mysterious place away from the surface of the earth?
no, that is not resurrection.
resurrection entails that they will come back to this life, then those of us who are alive here on earth shall be caught up with the resurrected here on earth.
That means, we shall interact with them, see them and relate with them, here on earth.
if they do not come back to life here on earth, then, that is not resurrection.
of what use to people who are carried misteriously to the clouds to us who still remain here on earth?
How do we know that they were truly resurrected?
the only way we will know is for them to interact with us who are alive

so, how are the dead resurrected?
have you ever met anybody who once died and is said to have resurrected?

paxonel:
You know, John the beloved lived at the period when Jesus was yet to be crucified, he was one of the disciples who recorded the event of his crucifixion.
John 21:24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
But whether he got the revelation before or after the crucifixion i wouldn't know.
The bottomline is, his revelation was a record and not a prophecy.
prophecies tells you what will happen in the future.
records are account testifying something, and the testimony of his revelation is that, that Jesus the jews crucified was the expected Messiah that is to come.
You know, the jews were waiting for the Messiah to come, which is the Christ (signs of his coming recorded in matt 24,what today Christians sees in the Bible and other verses such as 2 thes 4:16-17 that describes death of men and resurrection, and start calling them second coming of Christ or rapture which were error of ancient theologians that need to be corrected this generation).
so, the jews never wanted to believe that Jesus is the Christ, even till this day.
Hence, John was given that revelation to bear a record to the jews, that Jesus is the Christ

Oh that the lord would make you read and understand what you just typed so that you may identify your errors. For the purpose of clarity, let me point them out:

1) "But whether he got the revelation before or after the crucifixion i wouldn't know."

Well, he got the revelation after. I know this because the book of revelations was addressed to the churches which didn't come into existence until after the death of christ Jesus. Hence revelations is dated AD.

2) "The bottomline is, his revelation was a record and not a prophecy.
prophecies tells you what will happen in the future."

His revelation was a prophecy according to Revelations 1:3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this "prophecy", and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

Hildalicious:
so, how are the dead resurrected?
have you ever met anybody who once died and is said to have resurrected?

so long you are a Christian you are a product of resurrection. you've got to believe that one and be free.
read 1 cor 15:35 down to the end of the chapter.
all your answers are found there.
it says, when we we come back to life we will be given a new body.
Adam and Eve commit sin and death came to the world.
But with Christ. we have a rebirth into this world the moment we die, such that we don't experience death in the real sense. that is, we are saved at child bearing if we continue to uphold the Christian faith.
1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

babafemi1000:
Oh that the lord would make you read and understand what you just typed so that you may identify your errors. For the purpose of clarity, let me point them out:

1) "But whether he got the revelation before or after the crucifixion i wouldn't know."

Well, he got the revelation after. I know this because the book of revelations was addressed to the churches which didn't come into existence until after the death of christ Jesus. Hence revelations is dated AD.

2) "The bottomline is, his revelation was a record and not a prophecy.
prophecies tells you what will happen in the future."

His revelation was a prophecy according to Revelations 1:3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this "prophecy", and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

Yes,
you are right.
he got the revelation after the crucifixion.
I've seen it now.
thanks.
ok, that part of the revelation was a prophecy to the seven churches which were in asia then.
the prophecy has been fulfilled at that period.
i think it serves as a means of correction to The Church as a body.
But i didnt say there was no prophecy in revelation.
i was referring to the book of revelation as a whole(from chapter 1-22), that it is not a prophecy but a record, as it wasn't concern with The Church alone, But all mankind including the jews.
for instance,
Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
This shows that the Jews were never denied of the kingdom of God along with the gentiles.
Any one of them who has willing to accept that Jesus is the Christ is welcomed into the church.
so, the book as a whole ( including the revelation 19 you mentioned earlier ) is not a prophecy but a record that Jesus is the Christ.

paxonel:
Yes,
you are right.
he got the revelation after the crucifixion.
I've seen it now.
thanks.
ok, that part of the revelation was a prophecy to the seven churches which were in asia then.
the prophecy has been fulfilled at that period.
i think it serves as a means of correction to The Church as a body.
But i didnt say there was no prophecy in revelation.
i was referring to the book of revelation as a whole(from chapter 1-22), that it is not a prophecy but a record, as it wasn't concern with The Church alone, But all mankind including the jews.
for instance,
Revelation 7:4 And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
This shows that the Jews were never denied of the kingdom of God along with the gentiles.
Any one of them who has willing to accept that Jesus is the Christ is welcomed into the church.
so, the book as a whole ( including the revelation 19 you mentioned earlier ) is not a prophecy but a record that Jesus is the Christ.

"ok, Revelation 19
By the let me ask,
what do you take revelation of John for?
prophecies of our future??
my guy, you are lost.
'Revelation of John is record about Jesus and what he will do when he come to die for mankind which has already occur 2000 ago'
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ(referring to the whole book of revelation from chapter 1 to 22), which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS (meaning, it will come to pass shortly after the time John documented the record(including your revelation 19), which is approximately 2000 years ago ); and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw."


The whole book of revelations is a prophecy contrary to what you opined that 'Revelation of John is record about Jesus and what he will do when he come to die for mankind which has already occur 2000 ago'

22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Now that we've established that revelations is a book of prophecy and that "prophecy" talks about the future, then your argument has been faulted because you say that revelations talked about a record of a past event (Jesus dying in the cross). Unless you no longer agree that revelations was dated AD.

You don't "prophesy" about a past event you prophesy about the unseen future.

Secondly, quoting an excerpt from you below:

"Now, the question is
is 2000 years ago a short time?
after 2000 years plus, you people are still waiting? you must be dreaming.
You people Don't think at all to understand times.
If rapture was going to happen true true, that is how it would have pass you people.
because you Don't think.
Esp africans"

Yes we're still waiting. And according to peter, God is being patient because he would rather all men came to repentance

2 Peter 3: 8-9 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

You say there's no heaven, where is God's throne? In what place does Jesus sit at the right hand of God? And revelations 19?

Your understanding of the book of revelations has been scrutinized and is found wanting. It does not support your theory of eternity at all. Don't try to make it to.

babafemi1000:
"ok, Revelation 19
By the let me ask,
what do you take revelation of John for?
prophecies of our future??
my guy, you are lost.
'Revelation of John is record about Jesus and what he will do when he come to die for mankind which has already occur 2000 ago'
Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ(referring to the whole book of revelation from chapter 1 to 22), which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS (meaning, it will come to pass shortly after the time John documented the record(including your revelation 19), which is approximately 2000 years ago ); and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
Rev 1:2 Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw."


The whole book of revelations is a prophecy contrary to what you opined that 'Revelation of John is record about Jesus and what he will do when he come to die for mankind which has already occur 2000 ago'

22:7 Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

Now that we've established that revelations is a book of prophecy and that "prophecy" talks about the future, then your argument has been faulted because you say that revelations talked about a record of a past event (Jesus dying in the cross). Unless you no longer agree that revelations was dated AD.

You don't "prophesy" about a past event you prophesy about the unseen future.

Secondly, quoting an excerpt from you below:

"Now, the question is
is 2000 years ago a short time?
after 2000 years plus, you people are still waiting? you must be dreaming.
You people Don't think at all to understand times.
If rapture was going to happen true true, that is how it would have pass you people.
because you Don't think.
Esp africans"

Yes we're still waiting. And according to peter, God is being patient because he would rather all men came to repentance

2 Peter 3: 8-9 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

You say there's no heaven, where is God's throne? In what place does Jesus sit at the right hand of God? And revelations 19?

Your understanding of the book of revelations has been scrutinized and is found wanting. It does not support your theory of eternity at all. Don't try to make it to.

you say the book of revelation is a prophecy that will happen in the future.
mention one verse of the book that prophesy our future.
just one?
Ok, where does Jesus sit at the right hand of God?
Jesus is right inside we christians and no where else.
And inside us is the heaven he was talking about.
not anywhere beyond the clouds.
if you do not know this truth there will be no way you will have confidence in yourself.
you will continue to be looking for miracle help above the clouds where there is no help

paxonel:
so long you are a Christian you are a product of resurrection. you've got to believe that one and be free.
read 1 cor 15:35 down to the end of the chapter.
all your answers are found there.
it says, when we we come back to life we will be given a new body.
Adam and Eve commit sin and death came to the world.
But with Christ. we have a rebirth into this world the moment we die, such that we don't experience death in the real sense. that is, we are saved at child bearing if we continue to uphold the Christian faith.
1 Timothy 2:15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.

1 Cor15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
1cor 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
i really do not understand these .
can you Please explain?

paxonel:
you say the book of revelation is a prophecy that will happen in the future.
mention one verse of the book that prophesy our future.
just one?
Ok, where does Jesus sit at the right hand of God?
Jesus is right inside we christians and no where else.
And inside us is the heaven he was talking about.
not anywhere beyond the clouds.
if you do not know this truth there will be no way you will have confidence in yourself.
you will continue to be looking for miracle help above the clouds where there is no help

Revelations 19 is a prophecy. It talks about our future. In fact the whole book of revelations is a prophecy.

Please answer me this: where was God before he created man? Before he created the earth? And where do his angels reside? Even satan, before his fall, where was he?

Here's an excerpt from Matthew

22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in "heaven".

18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in "heaven".

These are just some of many verses in scripture that mention heaven as God's dwelling place.

Guy, I drop my pen here. From now on I'll just pray for you.

Hildalicious:
1 Cor15:36 Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die:
1cor 15:37 And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain:
i really do not understand these .
can you Please explain?

this is a parable or call it figurative language and each elements are represented as thus.
the word quickened means bringing back to life.
to sow means to burry a seed in a soil , when we die we will be burried isn't it?
the body that shall be represent the plant that germinates after you sow the seed.
Does the plant have the same appearance or body as the seed previously sowed ?
the answer is no.
that is how our body will be changed here on earth when resurrect.
when i come to a new life after i exhaust this one at old age, i will come back with a new body, such that those who were alive will never recognise i was the person that died.
i will come a new born baby, a new creature.
old things have passed away

babafemi1000:
Revelations 19 is a prophecy. It talks about our future. In fact the whole book of revelations is a prophecy.

Please answer me this: where was God before he created man? Before he created the earth? And where do his angels reside? Even satan, before his fall, where was he?

Here's an excerpt from Matthew

22:29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. 30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in "heaven".

18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in "heaven".

These are just some of many verses in scripture that mention heaven as God's dwelling place.

Guy, I drop my pen here. From now on I'll just pray for you.

lie
revelation 19 did not prophecy anything, rather it confirmed what has already happened.
for instance.
Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for HE HATH JUDGED (meaning, he has done it, he will not do it in the future ) the great LovePeddler, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, AND HATH AVENGED THE BLOOD OF HIS SERVANTS (not in the future but he has already done it ) at her hand.
when will you christians accept that the work of Jesus on the cross was the final?
why are you people still waiting for another miracle or mysteries called rapture, rather than remaining on this earth and solve problems?
Go and see how white men have developed their world, some are even traveling to the moon and planets for research as a result of development in science and technology.
yet people in Africa are talking about rapture not talking education seriously ?
Please Don't pray for me
pray for Africa

paxonel:
lie
revelation 19 did not prophecy anything, rather it confirmed what has already happened.
for instance.
Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for HE HATH JUDGED (meaning, he has done it, he will not do it in the future ) the great LovePeddler, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, AND HATH AVENGED THE BLOOD OF HIS SERVANTS (not in the future but he has already done it ) at her hand.
when will you christians accept that the work of Jesus on the cross was the final?
why are you people still waiting for another miracle or mysteries called rapture, rather than remaining on this earth and solve problems?
Go and see how white men have developed their world, some are even traveling to the moon and planets for research as a result of development in science and technology.
yet people in Africa are talking about rapture not talking education seriously ?
Please Don't pray for me
pray for Africa

But it is a prophecy. To infuse your own words here, I'd say it is a "record" of a prophecy.

John was still in prophecy mode. Verse 2 is a continuation of verse 1. You just extracted verse 2 and made it sound like what it isn't:

Rev 19:1 After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting:
"Hallelujah!
Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,

Rev 19: 2 for true and just are his judgments.
He has condemned the great prostitute
who corrupted the earth by her adulteries.
He has avenged on her the blood of his servants."

And so on...

Don't regard the white man for their achievements. Regard God. You are just being sarcastic for nothing

The white man this, the white man that, enough already!

Try to understand the scriptures.

Your saying "don't pray for me" is arrogant cos you feel you don't need anyone's prayer. Even the apostle paul asked the saints of God to pray for him.

1 Corinthians 10: 12 Let he who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.

I'll pray for you nevertheless cos you need it whether or not you think so or not.

paxonel:
lie
revelation 19 did not prophecy anything, rather it confirmed what has already happened.
for instance.
Revelation 19:2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for HE HATH JUDGED (meaning, he has done it, he will not do it in the future ) the great LovePeddler, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication, AND HATH AVENGED THE BLOOD OF HIS SERVANTS (not in the future but he has already done it ) at her hand.
when will you christians accept that the work of Jesus on the cross was the final?
why are you people still waiting for another miracle or mysteries called rapture, rather than remaining on this earth and solve problems?
Go and see how white men have developed their world, some are even traveling to the moon and planets for research as a result of development in science and technology.
yet people in Africa are talking about rapture not talking education seriously ?
Please Don't pray for me
pray for Africa

But it is a prophecy. To infuse your own words here, I'd say it is a "record" of a prophecy.

John was still in prophecy mode. Verse 2 is a continuation of verse 1. You just extracted verse 2 and made it sound like what it isn't:

Rev 19:1 After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting:
"Hallelujah!
Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,

Rev 19: 2 for true and just are his judgments.
He has condemned the great prostitute
who corrupted the earth by her adulteries.
He has avenged on her the blood of his servants."

And so on...

Don't regard the white man for their achievements. Regard God. You are just being sarcastic for nothing

The white man this, the white man that, enough already!

Try to understand the scriptures.

Your saying "don't pray for me" is arrogant cos you feel you don't need anyone's prayer. Even the apostle paul asked the saints of God to pray for him.

1 Corinthians 10: 12 Let he who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.

I'll pray for you nevertheless cos you need it whether or not you think so.

babafemi1000:
But it is a prophecy. To infuse your own words here, I'd say it is a "record" of a prophecy.

John was still in prophecy mode. Verse 2 is a continuation of verse 1. You just extracted verse 2 and made it sound like what it isn't:

Rev 19:1 After this I heard what sounded like the roar of a great multitude in heaven shouting:
"Hallelujah!
Salvation and glory and power belong to our God,

Rev 19: 2 for true and just are his judgments.
He has condemned the great prostitute
who corrupted the earth by her adulteries.
He has avenged on her the blood of his servants."

And so on...

Don't regard the white man for their achievements. Regard God. You are just being sarcastic for nothing

The white man this, the white man that, enough already!

Try to understand the scriptures.

Your saying "don't pray for me" is arrogant cos you feel you don't need anyone's prayer. Even the apostle paul asked the saints of God to pray for him.

1 Corinthians 10: 12 Let he who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall.

I'll pray for you nevertheless cos you need it whether or not you think so or not.

i thought you were praying for me that i should have understanding of revelation 19.
what is clearly written is clearly written. when u read and understand u don't pray again to understand what you have already understood.
yes, It's good to pray for one another where we are larking behind, but where we have understanding we don't need prayer.
we need to apply the understanding for something better.
through our understanding we ought to make this world a better place and not to wish It's destruction by rapture or end time.
if revelation 19 not using pass tense such as AND WILL AVENGED THE BLOOD OF HIS SERVANTS but rather, present tense like AND
HATH AVENGED THE BLOOD OF HIS
SERVANTS . it means that he has already avenged, therefore we should not change it and make it appear as if he is going to do it in the future.
This also apply to the whole book of revelation.
i ask you, where in revelation that prophesy event of what will happen in the future?
you can't show me.
because it is not there .
because bible cannot contradict itself

paxonel:
i thought you were praying for me that i should have understanding of revelation 19.
what is clearly written is clearly written. when u read and understand u don't pray again to understand what you have already understood.
yes, It's good to pray for one another where we are larking behind, but where we have understanding we don't need prayer.
we need to apply the understanding for something better.
through our understanding we ought to make this world a better place and not to wish It's destruction by rapture or end time.
if revelation 19 not using pass tense such as AND WILL AVENGED THE BLOOD OF HIS SERVANTS but rather, present tense like AND
HATH AVENGED THE BLOOD OF HIS
SERVANTS . it means that he has already avenged, therefore we should not change it and make it appear as if he is going to do it in the future.
This also apply to the whole book of revelation.
i ask you, where in revelation that prophesy event of what will happen in the future?
you can't show me.
because it is not there .
because bible cannot contradict itself

Round and round in circles you keep going despite sound correction.

Everything you've asked of me I have shown you clearly in scriptures. But when it comes to answering my own questions, you avoid them by circling about.

The Holy Ghost scolded me last night about vain and pointless arguments, one of which is this we're currently engaged in.

I therefore leave you to your devices.

Goodbye.

babafemi1000:
Round and round in circles you keep going despite sound correction.

Everything you've asked of me I have shown you clearly in scriptures. But when it comes to answering my own questions, you avoid them by circling about.

The Holy Ghost scolded me last night about vain and pointless arguments, one of which is this we're currently engaged in.

I therefore leave you to your devices.

Goodbye.

Thanks

paxonel:
The way you are looking at your Matthew 24:27 is one of the many fallacies of ancient theologians who never felt the 4 walls of university education.
Go and summarize the whole chapter of Matthew 24 you will understand why verse 27 is there.


So, read the whole chapter and understand.
stop following pastors.


The only thing Jesus mentioned that will occur at the future of that time of Matthew 24 was persecution of christians at
Matthew 24:9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.

people who were on roof top have to flee to the mountains abandoning their clothes and belonging for Jesus sake.

There was great tribulation that has never happened before since the history of mankind up to that point of Jesus days.

So I did a study of matthew 24 and discovered I was wrong in the sense that Jesus was talking about the destruction of jerusalem and his return to judge israel.

That marked the end of the age of judaism.

This also means that my quoting matthew 24:27 as evidence for his return in our future (you and me and other contemporary christians) is not valid because he already returned to judge israel.

27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man

Yes, the verse above refers to his return to judge israel.

However, regarding the other verses about heaven and eternity, I still maintain my stance, perhaps until I do another study, so don't go start celebrating that I agree with you o cos I still don't.

May God help us all (you and me) to continue to seek the truth and not just assume that our current beliefs about certain biblical happenings are final.

The word of God is final authority. Therein lies truth.

I'm also currently doing a study of revelations, may take the whole year though. Lol

Cheers man.

babafemi1000:
So I did a study of matthew 24 and discovered I was wrong in the sense that Jesus was talking about the destruction of jerusalem and his return to judge israel.

That marked the end of the age of judaism.

This also means that my quoting matthew 24:27 as evidence for his return in our future (you and me and other contemporary christians) is not valid because he already returned to judge israel.

27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man

Yes, the verse above refers to his return to judge israel.

However, regarding the other verses about heaven and eternity, I still maintain my stance, perhaps until I do another study, so don't go start celebrating that I agree with you o cos I still don't.

May God help us all (you and me) to continue to seek the truth and not just assume that our current beliefs about certain biblical happenings are final.

The word of God is final authority. Therein lies truth.

I'm also currently doing a study of revelations, may take the whole year though. Lol

Cheers man.

You have proven to be a very educated and objective reader