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What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by johnca(op): 8:58am On Mar 08, 2016
We can’t shut our eyes to injustice.
Our country is a secular state, but the Nigerian spirit teaches us to stand up for justice, defend the weak, the repressed and the oppressed. Nigerians are so fair-minded that even in football, if our national team is not playing well, we sometimes switch support to the visiting team. We are also quite religious; the Holy Books teach us to be our brother’s keeper. It is in this context, I think most of the attacks in the social media against President Muhammadu Buhari’s expressed support for Palestinians do not reflect our national spirit, are ahistorical and uniformed. During his State Visit to Qatar, on February 28, 2016, he told Emir Tamim Bin Hammad Al-Thani, “I want to assure you that we will stand side by side with you, until our brothers and sisters in Palestine achieve their desired objectives…Our support for various Security Council resolutions restoring and respecting 1967 boundaries with Jerusalem as capital of Palestine is firm and unshaken.” What President Buhari said is not a new policy; this has been our position for decades. I recall that when the National Association of Nigerian Students (NANS) on December 14, 1982 adopted the Nigerian Students Charter Of Demands, they pledged to oppose “Zionism anywhere it raises its head until it ceases its hostility to the Palestinians and a home is created for the struggling Palestinians” The Charter demanded that “the Palestine Liberation Organisation (PLO) be allowed to open an office in the country…” So great were the pressures from progressive forces in the country, that within months, Nigeria granted full diplomatic recognition to the PLO which in 1984, sent Ambassador Samir Baker as Palestinian ambassador. By the time he left 21 years later, Baker was the longest serving envoy and Dean of the Diplomatic Corps in Nigeria. Some of those who oppose the President’s pronouncement, erroneously ascribed religious motives. Let me clarify that Palestinians, like Nigerians, are both Muslims and Christians like the wife of Yasser Arafat, Suha Daoud Arafat who was Roman Catholic. Secondly, Israel is not, and has never claimed to be a Christian state. In fact, a number of those who helped to create it, were neither Christians nor evangelists; they were atheists! They included Theodor Herzel, the Austro-Hungarian journalist who founded the Zionist Movement, David Ben- Gurion (Green) founder and first Prime Minister of modern Israel, Moshe Dayan, former Defence and Foreign Minister, and former Prime Ministers Golda Meir and Yitzak Rabin. Hence, when the Israeli constitution was being written and some Judaists wanted to add a clause that the God of their fathers brought them to the new Israel, the leaders argued that he had done very little for them, and therefore deserve no mention. The atheists won! The Palestine is homeland to various peoples; Jews, Arabs, Palestinians and the Europeans who became the Israeli ruling class. Even before God called Abraham from his father’s house in Ur of the Chaldees - Present day Iraq- Palestine was homeland to various nationalities. It might be important to point out that the Palestine was not the first homeland of returnee Jews. Back in 1882, Mordecai Manuel Noah had created one in the Grand Island, in the Niagara River, United States. In 1903, Britain carved 13,000Km of the Mau Plateau (present day Kenya) and gave it to the World Zionist Organisation to build the Jewish Homeland. The Organisation at its 1903 Sixth Congress in Basel , voted 295 to 177 votes to accept the British offer. After exploratory visits, the Zionists developed cold feet fearing that the indigenous Massai population may resist a huge influx of Europeans which was essentially what the migrating Jews were. The largest Jewish homeland ever established before present day Israel was the Birobidzhah given by the defunct Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) based on the policy enunciated by its leader, Joseph Stanley that there can be no nation without a defined territory. The homeland thrived with Jews across the world migrating there until the Second World War almost terminated the existence of the Soviet Union itself. This homeland was depopulated with the rise of present day Israel. When the USSR was dissolved on December 26, 1991, many of the Jews in this homeland migrated to Israel and Germany. There is the issue of President Buhari mentioning Jerusalem as capital of the Palestinian State. First, this is the international position especially by United Nations and the 94 countries that recognize the Palestinian State. Secondly, it is an open secret that East Jerusalem is the ancestral home of the Palestinians who occupied it until 1967 when it was seized by Israel following the Arab-Israeli War; the real capital of Israel is Tel Aviv. Those who read religious motives to the issue of Jerusalem, need to know that it is a Holy City to Judaism, Christianity and Islam. To Judaists, Jerusalem is its holiest city where King Solomon built the First Temple on the Temple Mount and Herod the Great built the Second Temple part of which is the Western Wall, better known as the Wailing Wall because many Judaists often weep there over the destruction of temples. To Christians, Jerusalem is holy because that was the city Jesus was brought as a child to the temple, where he chased out the traders from the temple, had the Last Supper and was crucified. The Church of the Holy Sepulchre is said to be built on the crucifixion site. The holy cities of Islam are Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem. It was in Jerusalem Prophet Mohammed (SAW) met the prophets, ascended to heaven and was given the instruction that Muslims should pray five times daily. The Dome of the Rock, built on Mount Temple, is a holy site of Islam. Violence, begets violence; the violence between Israel and Palestinians must end. Jews cannot have a homeland and deny their neigbours the right to theirs. The Igbos say let the kite perch, let the eagle perch; there is enough room for all; The Yorubas say the sky is wide enough for birds to fly without bumping into each other; the world has enough space for the Israeli and Palestinian States to co-exist.
Re: What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by tolugar: 9:22am On Mar 08, 2016
When we truly practice the freedom of worship,
And respect each others choice of religion as well as it's mode of practice,

Then and only then we ll find ourselves in the path of peace.
Re: What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by emiwanlee(m): 9:26am On Mar 08, 2016
for speaking the truth, you will soon be banned
Re: What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by Mordecai(m):
johnca, i wonder why you chose this moniker for your post, seeing as you are a muslim. Seing as your name seems to cast you as christian, you clearly came with intent to corrupt and to deceive. Well, we know. You do not need to hide your identity.

Now let us dissect your narrative.

You infer that Israel is an atheist state. You intend, by making them look anti-religious, to make us dislike them. But you are very wrong. Israel has made it very clear that it is a JEWISH state and that it will do all it can to maintain that identity, and defend the only nation on earth where Jews call home. And as you already know, Jews are not atheists. Contrary to your opinions however, Israel is the only nation in the Middle East where people of all religions including atheists can practice their beliefs freely. So, do not come here with lies to deceive and confuse readers. It is shameful.

You talk about Abraham leaving Ur of the Chaldees to "Palestine", then you fast forward to 1882. Pray tell us, johnca, did the land lie uninhabited till 1882? Who inhabited it? Give us chronological dates while you list them for us, and then, as a control, list that of Egypt and Syria and Lebanon side by side. I am sure that by the time you remove your colored lens and state the history for us, the truth would not be lost on you, that these Jews occupied that land for the greater part of those years whose history you intend to hide.

You talk of the first and second temples. However you fail to mention that the Jews who built the temple and wail at the Wailing Wall daily inhabited the whole of Jerusalem, and not just part of it. You tell us that East Jerusalem is the ancestral home of the Palestinians. Pray tell us, mr history, whether it became the ancestral home of Palestinians before the temples were built or after.

For avoidance of doubt, the present day Palestinians, cannot claim aboriginal status over people whose temple ruins they met on ground. You might wish to expand your narrative by telling us when the Palestinians occupied East Jerusalem. It is not enough to tell us that Israel took it from them in 1967. Israel re-occupied a territory which had hitherto been theirs all along.

The real threat to peace in the Middle East is people like you that hide their true identities, pretend kinship, distort facts, hide information, spew out half-truths, and when caught in their schemes, adopt violence.

When PMB stated his support for Palestine with Jerusalem as capital, he was injecting his own skewed religious leanings into a dispute where more matured political minds were busy advocating dialogue.

PMB is not Nigeria, he was only elected president for a period of four years, and he should not use our commonwealth to settle his personal idealistic leanings. If he wants peace, he should ask both parties to the issue to go back to the negotiation table, because that is where peace can be forged. Egypt has negotiated peace with Israel. Jordan has. That, I believe is proof that Israel is a willing partner to peaceful coexistence.I do not see why Palestine cannot do the same.

Again johnca, do not come here again to deceive nairalanders.
Re: What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by vedaxcool(m): 11:30am On Mar 17, 2016
Very balanced write up
Re: What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by OZAOEKPE(f): 11:34am On Mar 17, 2016
THIS IS NON-SENSE, IT IS NOT PERFECT UNTIL YOU TALK ABOUT B**FRA lipsrsealed
Re: What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by APCHaram: 11:36am On Mar 17, 2016
Look at this dunce of an OP.

What concerns you with Israel Palestine debacle?

FYI, the Arab Muslim claim to Jerusalem has no single real estate valid claim it is one seeking to bring about their prophet's fake vision of having Jerusalem as the Muslim Capital of the world from where your satanic iman Mahdi will rule the world.\


As long as Jerusalem is controlled by the Jews it invalidates your fake prophet's vision of islamic global dominance and thus this is why all you muslims support a separate state of Palestine with Jerusalem as it's capital.


FACT!
Re: What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by erusen: 11:40am On Mar 17, 2016
johnca:
We can’t shut our eyes to injustice.

Our country is a secular state, but the
Nigerian spirit teaches us to stand up for
justice, defend the weak, the repressed and
the oppressed. Nigerians are so fair-minded
that even in football, if our national team is
not playing well, we sometimes switch
support to the visiting team. We are also
quite religious; the Holy Books teach us to
be our brother’s keeper.
It is in this context, I think most of the
attacks in the social media against President
Muhammadu Buhari’s expressed support
for Palestinians do not reflect our national
spirit, are ahistorical and uniformed.
During his State Visit to Qatar, on February
28, 2016, he told Emir Tamim Bin Hammad
Al-Thani, “I want to assure you that we will
stand side by side with you, until our
brothers and sisters in Palestine achieve
their desired objectives…Our support for
various Security Council resolutions
restoring and respecting 1967 boundaries
with Jerusalem as capital of Palestine is firm
and unshaken.”
What President Buhari said is not a new
policy; this has been our position for
decades. I recall that when the National
Association of Nigerian Students (NANS) on
December 14, 1982 adopted the Nigerian
Students Charter Of Demands, they pledged
to oppose “Zionism anywhere it raises its
head until it ceases its hostility to the
Palestinians and a home is created for the
struggling Palestinians” The Charter
demanded that “the Palestine Liberation
Organisation (PLO) be allowed to open an
office in the country…”
So great were the pressures from
progressive forces in the country, that
within months, Nigeria granted full
diplomatic recognition to the PLO which in
1984, sent Ambassador Samir Baker as
Palestinian ambassador. By the time he left
21 years later, Baker was the longest serving
envoy and Dean of the Diplomatic Corps in
Nigeria.
Some of those who oppose the President’s
pronouncement, erroneously ascribed
religious motives. Let me clarify that
Palestinians, like Nigerians, are both
Muslims and Christians like the wife of
Yasser Arafat, Suha Daoud Arafat who was
Roman Catholic.
Secondly, Israel is not, and has never
claimed to be a Christian state. In fact, a
number of those who helped to create it,
were neither Christians nor evangelists;
they were atheists! They included Theodor
Herzel, the Austro-Hungarian journalist who
founded the Zionist Movement, David Ben-
Gurion (Green) founder and first Prime
Minister of modern Israel, Moshe Dayan,
former Defence and Foreign Minister, and
former Prime Ministers Golda Meir and
Yitzak Rabin. Hence, when the Israeli
constitution was being written and some
Judaists wanted to add a clause that the
God of their fathers brought them to the
new Israel, the leaders argued that he had
done very little for them, and therefore
deserve no mention. The atheists won!
The Palestine is homeland to various
peoples; Jews, Arabs, Palestinians and the
Europeans who became the Israeli ruling
class. Even before God called Abraham from
his father’s house in Ur of the Chaldees -
Present day Iraq- Palestine was homeland
to various nationalities.
It might be important to point out that the
Palestine was not the first homeland of
returnee Jews. Back in 1882, Mordecai
Manuel Noah had created one in the Grand
Island, in the Niagara River, United States.
In 1903, Britain carved 13,000Km of the
Mau Plateau (present day Kenya) and gave it
to the World Zionist Organisation to build
the Jewish Homeland. The Organisation at
its 1903 Sixth Congress in Basel , voted 295
to 177 votes to accept the British offer.
After exploratory visits, the Zionists
developed cold feet fearing that the
indigenous Massai population may resist a
huge influx of Europeans which was
essentially what the migrating Jews were.
The largest Jewish homeland ever
established before present day Israel was
the Birobidzhah given by the defunct Union
of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) based
on the policy enunciated by its leader,
Joseph Stanley that there can be no nation
without a defined territory. The homeland
thrived with Jews across the world
migrating there until the Second World War
almost terminated the existence of the
Soviet Union itself. This homeland was
depopulated with the rise of present day
Israel. When the USSR was dissolved on
December 26, 1991, many of the Jews in
this homeland migrated to Israel and
Germany.
There is the issue of President Buhari
mentioning Jerusalem as capital of the
Palestinian State. First, this is the
international position especially by United
Nations and the 94 countries that recognize
the Palestinian State. Secondly, it is an open
secret that East Jerusalem is the ancestral
home of the Palestinians who occupied it
until 1967 when it was seized by Israel
following the Arab-Israeli War; the real
capital of Israel is Tel Aviv.
Those who read religious motives to the
issue of Jerusalem, need to know that it is a
Holy City to Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
To Judaists, Jerusalem is its holiest city
where King Solomon built the First Temple
on the Temple Mount and Herod the Great
built the Second Temple part of which is the
Western Wall, better known as the Wailing
Wall because many Judaists often weep
there over the destruction of temples.
To Christians, Jerusalem is holy because
that was the city Jesus was brought as a
child to the temple, where he chased out
the traders from the temple, had the Last
Supper and was crucified. The Church of
the Holy Sepulchre is said to be built on the
crucifixion site.
The holy cities of Islam are Mecca, Medina
and Jerusalem. It was in Jerusalem Prophet
Mohammed (SAW) met the prophets,
ascended to heaven and was given the
instruction that Muslims should pray five
times daily. The Dome of the Rock, built on
Mount Temple, is a holy site of Islam.
Violence, begets violence; the violence
between Israel and Palestinians must end.
Jews cannot have a homeland and deny
their neigbours the right to theirs. The
Igbos say let the kite perch, let the eagle
perch; there is enough room for all; The
Yorubas say the sky is wide enough for birds
to fly without bumping into each other; the
world has enough space for the Israeli and
Palestinian States to co-exist.
wentin concern Nigeria,concern Palestine?,as this one wan take put food for my table
Re: What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by APCHaram: 11:53am On Mar 17, 2016
johnca:
[s]We can’t shut our eyes to injustice.

Our country is a secular state, but the
Nigerian spirit teaches us to stand up for
justice, defend the weak, the repressed and
the oppressed. Nigerians are so fair-minded
that even in football, if our national team is
not playing well, we sometimes switch
support to the visiting team. We are also
quite religious; the Holy Books teach us to
be our brother’s keeper.
It is in this context, I think most of the
attacks in the social media against President
Muhammadu Buhari’s expressed support
for Palestinians do not reflect our national
spirit, are ahistorical and uniformed.
During his State Visit to Qatar, on February
28, 2016, he told Emir Tamim Bin Hammad
Al-Thani, “I want to assure you that we will
stand side by side with you, until our
brothers and sisters in Palestine achieve
their desired objectives…Our support for
various Security Council resolutions
restoring and respecting 1967 boundaries
with Jerusalem as capital of Palestine is firm
and unshaken.”
What President Buhari said is not a new
policy; this has been our position for
decades. I recall that when the National
Association of Nigerian Students (NANS) on
December 14, 1982 adopted the Nigerian
Students Charter Of Demands, they pledged
to oppose “Zionism anywhere it raises its
head until it ceases its hostility to the
Palestinians and a home is created for the
struggling Palestinians” The Charter
demanded that “the Palestine Liberation
Organisation (PLO) be allowed to open an
office in the country…”
So great were the pressures from
progressive forces in the country, that
within months, Nigeria granted full
diplomatic recognition to the PLO which in
1984, sent Ambassador Samir Baker as
Palestinian ambassador. By the time he left
21 years later, Baker was the longest serving
envoy and Dean of the Diplomatic Corps in
Nigeria.
Some of those who oppose the President’s
pronouncement, erroneously ascribed
religious motives. Let me clarify that
Palestinians, like Nigerians, are both
Muslims and Christians like the wife of
Yasser Arafat, Suha Daoud Arafat who was
Roman Catholic.
Secondly, Israel is not, and has never
claimed to be a Christian state. In fact, a
number of those who helped to create it,
were neither Christians nor evangelists;
they were atheists! They included Theodor
Herzel, the Austro-Hungarian journalist who
founded the Zionist Movement, David Ben-
Gurion (Green) founder and first Prime
Minister of modern Israel, Moshe Dayan,
former Defence and Foreign Minister, and
former Prime Ministers Golda Meir and
Yitzak Rabin. Hence, when the Israeli
constitution was being written and some
Judaists wanted to add a clause that the
God of their fathers brought them to the
new Israel, the leaders argued that he had
done very little for them, and therefore
deserve no mention. The atheists won!
The Palestine is homeland to various
peoples; Jews, Arabs, Palestinians and the
Europeans who became the Israeli ruling
class. Even before God called Abraham from
his father’s house in Ur of the Chaldees -
Present day Iraq- Palestine was homeland
to various nationalities.
It might be important to point out that the
Palestine was not the first homeland of
returnee Jews. Back in 1882, Mordecai
Manuel Noah had created one in the Grand
Island, in the Niagara River, United States.
In 1903, Britain carved 13,000Km of the
Mau Plateau (present day Kenya) and gave it
to the World Zionist Organisation to build
the Jewish Homeland. The Organisation at
its 1903 Sixth Congress in Basel , voted 295
to 177 votes to accept the British offer.
After exploratory visits, the Zionists
developed cold feet fearing that the
indigenous Massai population may resist a
huge influx of Europeans which was
essentially what the migrating Jews were.
The largest Jewish homeland ever
established before present day Israel was
the Birobidzhah given by the defunct Union
of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) based
on the policy enunciated by its leader,
Joseph Stanley that there can be no nation
without a defined territory. The homeland
thrived with Jews across the world
migrating there until the Second World War
almost terminated the existence of the
Soviet Union itself. This homeland was
depopulated with the rise of present day
Israel. When the USSR was dissolved on
December 26, 1991, many of the Jews in
this homeland migrated to Israel and
Germany.
There is the issue of President Buhari
mentioning Jerusalem as capital of the
Palestinian State. First, this is the
international position especially by United
Nations and the 94 countries that recognize
the Palestinian State. Secondly, it is an open
secret that East Jerusalem is the ancestral
home of the Palestinians who occupied it
until 1967 when it was seized by Israel
following the Arab-Israeli War; the real
capital of Israel is Tel Aviv.
Those who read religious motives to the
issue of Jerusalem, need to know that it is a
Holy City to Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
To Judaists, Jerusalem is its holiest city
where King Solomon built the First Temple
on the Temple Mount and Herod the Great
built the Second Temple part of which is the
Western Wall, better known as the Wailing
Wall because many Judaists often weep
there over the destruction of temples.
To Christians, Jerusalem is holy because
that was the city Jesus was brought as a
child to the temple, where he chased out
the traders from the temple, had the Last
Supper and was crucified. The Church of
the Holy Sepulchre is said to be built on the
crucifixion site.
The holy cities of Islam are Mecca, Medina
and Jerusalem. It was in Jerusalem Prophet
Mohammed (SAW) met the prophets,
ascended to heaven and was given the
instruction that Muslims should pray five
times daily. The Dome of the Rock, built on
Mount Temple, is a holy site of Islam.
Violence, begets violence; the violence
between Israel and Palestinians must end.
Jews cannot have a homeland and deny
their neigbours the right to theirs. The
Igbos say let the kite perch, let the eagle
perch; there is enough room for all; The
Yorubas say the sky is wide enough for birds
to fly without bumping into each other; the
world has enough space for the Israeli and
Palestinian States to co-exist.[/s]
[size=18pt]the Arab Muslim claim to Jerusalem has no single real estate valid claim it is one seeking to bring about their prophet's fake vision of having Jerusalem as the Muslim Capital of the world from where your satanic iman Mahdi will rule the world.

As long as Jerusalem is controlled by the Jews it invalidates your prophet's vision of islamic global dominance and thus this is why all you muslims support a separate state of Palestine with Jerusalem as it's capital.

You claim to justice is as fake as your prophet's vision of having jerusalem as the Muslim global capital.

You and I know your claim for Jerusalem is one based on religious irrational sentiments and claims
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Re: What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by johnca(op): 12:13pm On Mar 17, 2016
Mordecai:
johnca, i wonder why you chose this moniker for your post, seeing as you are a muslim. You do not need to hide your identity.

Now let us dissect your narrative.
Mordecai I was born a Christian and I am still a christian but I also know that you can only be a better Christian when you learn to respect other people's choice of religion. Tell me How can you Love you neighbor who is a Moslem or a pagan as you love yourself, If you can not respect his/her choice of Religion or must we convert them before we learn to respect them. Don't forget our lord Jesus still show Love to those that crucified Him when He said, Father Forgive them for they know not what they re doing.
Re: What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by APCHaram: 12:19pm On Mar 17, 2016
johnca:
Mordecai I was born a Christian and I am still a christian but I also know that you can only be a better Christian when you learn to respect other people's choice of religion. Tell me How can you Love you neighbor who is a Moslem or a pagan as you love yourself, If you can not respect his/her choice of Religion or must we convert them before we learn to respect them. Don't forget our lord Jesus still show Love to those that crucified Him when He said, Father Forgive them for they know not what they re doing.
You can only show love to those who respect you and not those who have wet dreams of killing you, raping and abducting your women and daughters, selling your children into slavery and coveting your property.


I will never show any form of hatred to a muslim but that does not mean i should trust them either as their central belief system is anchored on killing and pillaging in the name of their god allah.

The term islamophobia is thus inapplicable as a phobia stems from an irrational fear but with muslims all fears are healthy and upheld given their history of criminal jihad.
Re: What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by LadyExcellency: 12:42pm On Mar 17, 2016
But Jordan is Palestine.

75% of Jordanians are Arab Palestinians.

King of Jordan is from Saudi Arabia
Re: What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by Nobody: 1:05pm On Mar 17, 2016
Mordecai:
johnca, i wonder why you chose this moniker for your post, seeing as you are a muslim. Seing as your name seems to cast you as christian, you clearly came with intent to corrupt and to deceive. Well, we know. You do not need to hide your identity.

Now let us dissect your narrative.

You infer that Israel is an atheist state. You intend, by making them look anti-religious, to make us dislike them. But you are very wrong. Israel has made it very clear that it is a JEWISH state and that it will do all it can to maintain that identity, and defend the only nation on earth where Jews call home. And as you already know, Jews are not atheists. Contrary to your opinions however, Israel is the only nation in the Middle East where people of all religions including atheists can practice their beliefs freely. So, do not come here with lies to deceive and confuse readers. It is shameful.

You talk about Abraham leaving Ur of the Chaldees to "Palestine", then you fast forward to 1882. Pray tell us, johnca, did the land lie uninhabited till 1882? Who inhabited it? Give us chronological dates while you list them for us, and then, as a control, list that of Egypt and Syria and Lebanon side by side. I am sure that by the time you remove your colored lens and state the history for us, the truth would not be lost on you, that these Jews occupied that land for the greater part of those years whose history you intend to hide.

You talk of the first and second temples. However you fail to mention that the Jews who built the temple and wail at the Wailing Wall daily inhabited the whole of Jerusalem, and not just part of it. You tell us that East Jerusalem is the ancestral home of the Palestinians. Pray tell us, mr history, whether it became the ancestral home of Palestinians before the temples were built or after.

For avoidance of doubt, the present day Palestinians, cannot claim aboriginal status over people whose temple ruins they met on ground. You might wish to expand your narrative by telling us when the Palestinians occupied East Jerusalem. It is not enough to tell us that Israel took it from them in 1967. Israel re-occupied a territory which had hitherto been theirs all along.

The real threat to peace in the Middle East is people like you that hide their true identities, pretend kinship, distort facts, hide information, spew out half-truths, and when caught in their schemes, adopt violence.

When PMB stated his support for Palestine with Jerusalem as capital, he was injecting his own skewed religious leanings into a dispute where more matured political minds were busy advocating dialogue.

PMB is not Nigeria, he was only elected president for a period of four years, and he should not use our commonwealth to settle his personal idealistic leanings. If he wants peace, he should ask both parties to the issue to go back to the negotiation table, because that is where peace can be forged. Egypt has negotiated peace with Israel. Jordan has. That, I believe is proof that Israel is a willing partner to peaceful coexistence.I do not see why Palestine cannot do the same.

Again johnca, do not come here again to deceive nairalanders.
Thank you bro
the guy wanted to confuse me but thank God you cam to my rescue
Keep it up
Re: What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by Proudlyngwa(m): 1:13pm On Mar 17, 2016
@johnca
Posts like yours are what makes me keep coming back to nairaland. Well done.
Most people's attachment to Israel is emotional. There are varying opinions regarding the Israel/Palestine conflict, One certainty though without the Hitler extermination of the Jews, we won't have been discussing this.
Biblical Israel , land mass ,culture and people is hugely varied from present day Israel. If the entirety of my people the Ngwas where to completely migrate from present day Abia state and after two hundred years come back are we still entitled to the lands. Will our customs and laws hold sway over the people we meet there. This are the Question we should be asking those who carved out present day Israel from Palestine. Until the hypocrites in the United Nations start being honest concerning this conflict, there shall be no headway because a foundation built on lies will surely crumble.
You will be insulted for this article not because it is wrong or right but because it will be seen as a Christian/Muslim issue.
I wish there was another site where people can discuss without tribal religious bigotry as nairaland has lost it.

P.s during the days of our lord Jerusalem was not part of Israel .
Re: What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by MightySparrow: 1:38pm On Mar 17, 2016
johnca:
We can’t shut our eyes to injustice.

Our country is a secular state, but the
Nigerian spirit teaches us to stand up for
justice, defend the weak, the repressed and
the oppressed. Nigerians are so fair-minded
that even in football, if our national team is
not playing well, we sometimes switch
support to the visiting team. We are also
quite religious; the Holy Books teach us to
be our brother’s keeper.
It is in this context, I think most of the
attacks in the social media against President
Muhammadu Buhari’s expressed support
for Palestinians do not reflect our national
spirit, are ahistorical and uniformed.
During his State Visit to Qatar, on February
28, 2016, he told Emir Tamim Bin Hammad
Al-Thani, “I want to assure you that we will
stand side by side with you, until our
brothers and sisters in Palestine achieve
their desired objectives…Our support for
various Security Council resolutions
restoring and respecting 1967 boundaries
with Jerusalem as capital of Palestine is firm
and unshaken.”
What President Buhari said is not a new
policy; this has been our position for
decades. I recall that when the National
Association of Nigerian Students (NANS) on
December 14, 1982 adopted the Nigerian
Students Charter Of Demands, they pledged
to oppose “Zionism anywhere it raises its
head until it ceases its hostility to the
Palestinians and a home is created for the
struggling Palestinians” The Charter
demanded that “the Palestine Liberation
Organisation (PLO) be allowed to open an
office in the country…”
So great were the pressures from
progressive forces in the country, that
within months, Nigeria granted full
diplomatic recognition to the PLO which in
1984, sent Ambassador Samir Baker as
Palestinian ambassador. By the time he left
21 years later, Baker was the longest serving
envoy and Dean of the Diplomatic Corps in
Nigeria.
Some of those who oppose the President’s
pronouncement, erroneously ascribed
religious motives. Let me clarify that
Palestinians, like Nigerians, are both
Muslims and Christians like the wife of
Yasser Arafat, Suha Daoud Arafat who was
Roman Catholic.
Secondly, Israel is not, and has never
claimed to be a Christian state. In fact, a
number of those who helped to create it,
were neither Christians nor evangelists;
they were atheists! They included Theodor
Herzel, the Austro-Hungarian journalist who
founded the Zionist Movement, David Ben-
Gurion (Green) founder and first Prime
Minister of modern Israel, Moshe Dayan,
former Defence and Foreign Minister, and
former Prime Ministers Golda Meir and
Yitzak Rabin. Hence, when the Israeli
constitution was being written and some
Judaists wanted to add a clause that the
God of their fathers brought them to the
new Israel, the leaders argued that he had
done very little for them, and therefore
deserve no mention. The atheists won!
The Palestine is homeland to various
peoples; Jews, Arabs, Palestinians and the
Europeans who became the Israeli ruling
class. Even before God called Abraham from
his father’s house in Ur of the Chaldees -
Present day Iraq- Palestine was homeland
to various nationalities.
It might be important to point out that the
Palestine was not the first homeland of
returnee Jews. Back in 1882, Mordecai
Manuel Noah had created one in the Grand
Island, in the Niagara River, United States.
In 1903, Britain carved 13,000Km of the
Mau Plateau (present day Kenya) and gave it
to the World Zionist Organisation to build
the Jewish Homeland. The Organisation at
its 1903 Sixth Congress in Basel , voted 295
to 177 votes to accept the British offer.
After exploratory visits, the Zionists
developed cold feet fearing that the
indigenous Massai population may resist a
huge influx of Europeans which was
essentially what the migrating Jews were.
The largest Jewish homeland ever
established before present day Israel was
the Birobidzhah given by the defunct Union
of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) based
on the policy enunciated by its leader,
Joseph Stanley that there can be no nation
without a defined territory. The homeland
thrived with Jews across the world
migrating there until the Second World War
almost terminated the existence of the
Soviet Union itself. This homeland was
depopulated with the rise of present day
Israel. When the USSR was dissolved on
December 26, 1991, many of the Jews in
this homeland migrated to Israel and
Germany.
There is the issue of President Buhari
mentioning Jerusalem as capital of the
Palestinian State. First, this is the
international position especially by United
Nations and the 94 countries that recognize
the Palestinian State. Secondly, it is an open
secret that East Jerusalem is the ancestral
home of the Palestinians who occupied it
until 1967 when it was seized by Israel
following the Arab-Israeli War; the real
capital of Israel is Tel Aviv.
Those who read religious motives to the
issue of Jerusalem, need to know that it is a
Holy City to Judaism, Christianity and Islam.
To Judaists, Jerusalem is its holiest city
where King Solomon built the First Temple
on the Temple Mount and Herod the Great
built the Second Temple part of which is the
Western Wall, better known as the Wailing
Wall because many Judaists often weep
there over the destruction of temples.
To Christians, Jerusalem is holy because
that was the city Jesus was brought as a
child to the temple, where he chased out
the traders from the temple, had the Last
Supper and was crucified. The Church of
the Holy Sepulchre is said to be built on the
crucifixion site.
The holy cities of Islam are Mecca, Medina
and Jerusalem. It was in Jerusalem Prophet
Mohammed (SAW) met the prophets,
ascended to heaven and was given the
instruction that Muslims should pray five
times daily. The Dome of the Rock, built on
Mount Temple, is a holy site of Islam.
Violence, begets violence; the violence
between Israel and Palestinians must end.
Jews cannot have a homeland and deny
their neigbours the right to theirs. The
Igbos say let the kite perch, let the eagle
perch; there is enough room for all; The
Yorubas say the sky is wide enough for birds
to fly without bumping into each other; the
world has enough space for the Israeli and
Palestinian States to co-exist.
You still need more knowledge of. Biblical prophecy to be correct in the absolute.
Re: What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by orunto27: 1:45pm On Mar 17, 2016
The Arabs are here. The Arabs are cursed, Genesis 16:12. The Christians are authorised in thesame curse never to surrender. This FG will never convoke a Sovereign National Conference(SNC). But the NASS AND ALL THE 36 STATE ASSEMBLIES should dust our 1999 Constitution, pieces it page by page, item by item, AMEND it legally and by its provision, decentralise all Powers in the exclusive list except Foreign power, treaties and the Military, external relations and defence, to the 36 states to make them fully autonomous.
Re: What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by Mikehell(m): 1:59pm On Mar 17, 2016
OP u need to do more findings......... And by the way, when dis said palestine were troubled, israel accepted dem as refugees while d arab league turned d blind eye to them..........
Israel is where d jews called home probably during the holocaust and after........

By the way, dis conflict is now more of religious war as the arab league wants to lay claim dat isreal belongs to palestine........
Re: What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by Nobody: 2:41pm On Mar 17, 2016
MightySparrow:
You still need more knowledge of. Biblical prophecy to be correct in the absolute.
Fvck you & your biblical prophecy. We are no longer deceived by some fabricated & concocted biblical bullshit about Israel being god's chosen people.

Israel will go up in ashes when the time comes and there's absolutely nothing her dead Anunnaki god can do about it.

When a man is denied the right to live the life he believes in, he has no choice than to become an outlaw - Palestine's freedom is underway.
Re: What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by MightySparrow: 2:46pm On Mar 17, 2016
Zoharariel:
Fvck you & your biblical prophecy. We are no longer deceived by some fabricated & concocted biblical bullshit about Israel being god's chosen people.

Israel will go up in ashes when the time comes and there's absolutely nothing her dead Anunnaki god can do about it.

When a man is denied the right to live the life he believes in, he has no choice than to become an outlaw - Palestine's freedom is underway.
I merely offered a suggestion Bro no vex o
Re: What Some People Don't Understand About Isreal And Palestine. by APCHaram: 11:35pm On Mar 17, 2016
Zoharariel:
Fvck you & your biblical prophecy. We are no longer deceived by some fabricated & concocted biblical bullshit about Israel being god's chosen people.

Israel will go up in ashes when the time comes and there's absolutely nothing her dead Anunnaki god can do about it.

When a man is denied the right to live the life he believes in, he has no choice than to become an outlaw - Palestine's freedom is underway.
Jerusalem is not the Islamic capital .


Stop believing that medieval mad man from the craggy desolate Arabian desert .


The Jews are the only people to still retain all their identity for 3,000 yrs straight.


Ancient scrolls from 3,000 yrs back have the same linguistic text that you will see on ice cream stands in Tel Aviv.


The Jews survived this long outliving global empires for a reason.


Your bastard ishameal clan has no right to Jerusalem .

If you doubt it, then lead the jihad to claim Jerusalem


Filthy Muslim swine
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