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Obiagelli:
I can't tell but i wonder why anyone should be disturbed about that when we have huge problems in the this country

noblezone:
I am okay my pal.
I wanted the handlers of Nairaland to know that their bans have no effect on me.

I am a rebel with a cause.
They should counter my logics and arguments with superior ones, rather than take route of cowardice by banning free speech.
They are all cowards!

I have called them to public debates, but they never showed up.
Do not be surprised if they delete this thread and ban me for life.

They are pathetic, but we must remain focused and resolute.
The time of fear has gone.

cheruv:
Your piece has moved me like the Marseillaise moved the French to victory in the revolutionary wars

Redoil:
i thaught i am the only one with lenthty ban for posting my feeling about nigeria

Seylad2009:
I read all ur post on dis thread and hav always follow ur posts or thread.I'll lik to ask you a questn in regards to your posts on dis thread,HAVE YOU BEEN TO THE NORTHERN PART OF THIS COUNTRY,MOST EXPECIALLY THE NORTH CENTRAL STATE? If the answer is No,then I rest my case.However,christian as a religion is not a dominating one.

Obiagelli:
I have lived in the north and both religion are dominating, why do kids sing xtian songs in every private school.

Obiagelli:
I have lived in the north and both religion are dominating, why do kids sing xtian songs in every private school.

noblezone:
Sis, down here, there is absolute freedom of religion.
Up north there is no such luxury.

There is a world of difference.

The punishment for deserting Islam is death.
You cannot beat that.

Obiagelli:
A church brings a muslim girl to the south and converts her to xtianity, its is well celebrated as winning souls but yinusa does same, he is remanded in prison.

I hear you.

Obiagelli:
A church brings a muslim girl to the south and converts her to xtianity, its is well celebrated as winning souls but yinusa does same, he is remanded in prison.

I hear you.

Obiagelli:
I have lived in the north and both religion are dominating, why do kids sing xtian songs in every private school.

PiperAlpha:
I started losing my respect for Buhari when he started treating the Fulani herdsmen menace with kids glove.

kenny987:
The church will never hold an underage girl/child in the name of prayers. In fact a minor without parental consent will not be ministered to for any reason. Again the church does not set her up for forceful marriage, rape and subsequent pregnancy because no church will marry or supervise cohabitation with a minor.

How can u even begin to hold Yunusa's criminal actions as remotely similar to Christian activities? For heaven's sake Ese is pregnant! How can u even justify the defilement of a minor by one who is older and knows better?

I see u trying very hard on this thread to deploy subliminal deception to create the impression that there is no religious colouration in the recent activities of the President and the ongoing bloodbath in d middle belt. By this statement of urs which I've just quoted,u have revealed urself as a pure muslim runt under the guise of a female Igbo moniker. Must u people always lie? Be true to yourself and ur identity all the time cos ur plans of deception have crashed.

Obiagelli:
A church brings a muslim girl to the south and converts her to xtianity, its is well celebrated as winning souls but yinusa does same, he is remanded in prison.

I hear you.

naptu2:
The differences are (1) the age of the girl. (2) whether the permission of the parents were sought (if the girl is a minor).

It is illegal for a christian to bring an underaged muslim to the south and convert her to christianity without the permission of her parents (see the criminal code and the law on trafficking in people). It is also illegal for an atheist to take a minor away from home without the permission of the minor's parents. It's about the law, not religion.

Obiagelli:
Lets not fool ourselves, every religion is a form domination. What did the whites use to dominate africans?
Why do think the romans quickly adopted christianity after killing jesus? It was a tool for continued dominance.
Why do you think china adopted Buddhism

noblezone:
From what I gathered from her posts, she is neither, Christian nor Moslem but holds both religions with disdain.

it's obvious she knows nothing about Christianity.
As for Yunusi, his actions were purely legal in Islam.

Rape is even permitted as a punishment for infidel woman.

If we fold our hands and Islam ends up swallowing Nigeria, Yunusi would be a hero one day.

naptu2:
The differences are (1) the age of the girl. (2) whether the permission of the parents were sought (if the girl is a minor).

It is illegal for a christian to bring an underaged muslim to the south and convert her to christianity without the permission of her parents (see the criminal code and the law on trafficking in people). It is also illegal for an atheist to take a minor away from home without the permission of the minor's parents. It's about the law, not religion.

paschu:
Are you this unreasonable for real? Is it too hard to know what separation of piwer is?

Please shut up if you don't know how to think.

Islam is FIRST a system of government but with ZERO separation of powers.

- Political framework (caliphates etc)
- Legal framework (sharia)
- Religious framework ( islamic rites)
- Social framework (islamic education)
- Economic framework (islamic banking)
- Militarial framework (jihad)

These are the interwoven core components of islam. Anyone who thinks or takes the movement for a mere religion is both grossly ignorant and notoriously stupid. This is why Trump gets massive followership in US inspite of his massive divisive comments. Please ventilate your brains.

Obiagelli:
I am not in anyway justifying yinusa and, i am saying its a 2 way thing.
Even here in lagos there are kids seeking refuge in churches without their parent's knowledge.

Bottomline is i am sick and tired of the 2 religion and their fanatics, this country and indeed Africa would be a lot better without them.

kenny987:
Christian songs will be sung in private schools owned by Christians. If it is a school owned by a muslim and run by them as well what will they sing any songs for?

noblezone:
You can even take away the Nigeria law.
There is no room in Christianity where you can elope with a minor.

wait I am going too far.

Christianity have no room for cohabitation among adults who are not married.

kenny987:
The church will never hold an underage girl/child in the name of prayers. In fact a minor without parental consent will not be ministered to for any reason. Again the church does not set her up for forceful marriage, rape and subsequent pregnancy because no church will marry or supervise cohabitation with a minor.

How can u even begin to hold Yunusa's criminal actions as remotely similar to Christian activities? For heaven's sake Ese is pregnant! How can u even justify the defilement of a minor by one who is older and knows better?

I see u trying very hard on this thread to deploy subliminal deception to create the impression that there is no religious colouration in the recent activities of the President and the ongoing bloodbath in d middle belt. By this statement of urs which I've just quoted,u have revealed urself as a pure muslim runt under the guise of a female Igbo moniker. Must u people always lie? Be true to yourself and ur identity all the time cos ur plans of deception have crashed.

noblezone:
You can even take away the Nigeria law.
There is no room in Christianity where you can elope with a minor.

wait I am going too far.

Christianity have no room for cohabitation among adults who are not married.

naptu2:
2) Islam.

Some people have blamed islam/muslims for this crime and have claimed that islam encourages its adherents to kidnap underage girls and marry them without their parents' consent. This is totally untrue.

There are four absolutely obligatory conditions for a marriage or nikaah to be deemed lawful in the sight of Shariah and Allah.

1) Proposal by one party and acceptance by the other.

2) The determination of mehr (bride price) for the bride.

3) The availability of at least two witnesses to the marriage contract.

4) The consent of the parents/guardians (wali) of the bride.

If even one of the above four obligatory conditions of a nikaah are not honored, the marriage will not be deemed lawful, null and void in the Sight of Shariah Law and of Allah.

The Quran states "And marry them with the permission of their parents" (Qur’an 4:25). Therefore it is obligatory that Yunusa Dahiru get's the permission of Ese Oruru's parents before attempting to marry her. What he did is illegal according to sharia law.

Furthermore, it is said that Ese is pregnant, despite the fact that Ese and Yunusa have not been married according to islamic law. If this is true, then their relationship is an illicit and sinful relationship in the eyes of sharia law.

Points 1 and 2 above explains why Professor Ishaq Akintola of the Muslim Rights Concern (MURIC) has demanded that Yunusa should be prosecuted at both the high court in Bayelsa and the sharia court in Kano (because what he did is illegal according to both the common law and the sharia law).

People who claim that islam encourages this type of behaviour are making that claim out of ignorance and bigotry.

noblezone:
You mean a young but matured man from the South elopes with a little Moslem girl yet to see her menses and converts her to Christianity?

her family won't know here where about.
She is taking to the house of an traditional ruler.
the local church Council or the church marriage committee will give a go ahead for the marriage without hearing from the girls family?

Sian what exactly happened to you logic and reason?
check ur mail box.

Obiagelli:
I am not only a muslim, i am a shiek. Nonsense.

So the fulani killings is also about religion, even the mile 12 own. I guess there was no fulani attacks before this president.

U guys are sick, i wonder when you all will purge yourselves of this arab/white colonisation.


This is why one ediot will ask people to line up and set them ablaze in the name of religion.

Sis the earlier you wake up the better.

naptu2:
It's a simple and straightforward thing. Anyone who takes a minor away without the consent of the minor's parents or a court order, has committed a crime (that's the same reason why Bisket was arrested).

Obiagelli:
They are not married off ofcourse (will eventually), but you can deny missionaries are not converting people up north and even bringing them here.
This stuff is vice versa and the muslims are probably more babaric about it.

noblezone:
There is a point you are missing dear.

There is no separation if Islamic religion from the political, social, economic ways of life from Moslems.

In Your state, secondary school students, killed a teacher of theirs because she seized a copy of the Koran one of them was using to cheat.

according to them, she had defiled the Koran by touching it.

As far as I am concerned, the Fulani herdsmen and Book Haram are on the same mission.

They ate taking over the lands for Allah.

Obiagelli:
I agree completely but my point is that it happens on both sides, maybe not for marriage on the xtian side.

Btw who is Bisket, googled it and nothing came up

noblezone:
Conversion or intimidation?
The girls kidnapped by Book Haram, we're they intimidated to submission or converted?

My persuading you to belief in Christ is different from commanding you to wear hijab or be killed.

Have you checked ur mail box?

naptu2:
That's why it shouldn't be a religious issue. It should simply be a criminal issue. Take the case of Bisket for example.

Her name is Bisi Dan Musa (her business name is Bisket and she is also known as Bisi Shaba). Her husband is a famous politician, while she is a socialite and businesswoman.

She was arrested c2000 by policemen at a checkpoint in Lagos because she was in a minibus that was packed with children and she couldn't explain how she came to be in possession of the children and who the children's parents were. Her husband later claimed that she ran an orphanage and that explained why she had all those children in the minibus. However, the so called orphanage was not registered and they couldn't provide proof that the parents willingly handed over their children to her. She was in detention for almost three years.

You can see that this case does not have any religious connotation, but the principle remains the same. It is illegal to take a minor away from his/her parents without their permission or a court order.