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Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by Timidelaw(m): 2:40pm On Mar 28, 2016
Thanks for giving me a supportive statement. that exactly is what we are saying. So why call Nigeria Internal problem a mistake of Amalgamation?

If just a unit of the Nation cannot live without these internal problems then why expect Nigeria.

MosquitoLaps:
Dude, all regions are bound to have their internal problems
We're talking national cohesion here, man. How far have the ethnic nationalities united for a common cause? huh
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by Umennajiego(m): 2:43pm On Mar 28, 2016
emaculate99:
yeah, the country gives no room for state religion but is that the position in real life? it is just a provision of the constitution which is not practicalised fully. Most people in the Northern states believe that the religion in the North is Islam.

If I am to follow your logic, then an Igbo can contest for the post of Lagos state governor. Why? Because Nigerian constitution provided that a man will qualify to contest for the position of the state governor if he is not in aberration with Section 182 of the 1999 constitution
the possibility for such was thwarted by chief obafemi awolowo in the western house of assembly when I canvassed and bribe some ncnc members to cross carpet... This not only stamp ethnic politic but also introduced cross carpeting in Nigerian politics
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 2:44pm On Mar 28, 2016
horlapelumi:
Not at all, I only interpreted your write up and was not sure of what i was reading which was what necessitated the question. As it stand that is the nearest interpretation for that write up
Ok, what was written there is that the amalgamation is done arbitrarily without recourse for people's interest. I gave a premise to support that, that if Benin Republic is part of the portion given to Britain, Benin Republic would have been amalgamated with Nigeria because it is a portion of Britain. My conclusion in that write up is that Britain did the amalgamation process without any recourse for people's interest. They did it arbitrarily. The arbitrariness necessitated the appellation, "mistake" given to it.
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by Fynestboi(mod): 2:45pm On Mar 28, 2016
Brilliant and interesting...
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by OAUTemitayo: 2:47pm On Mar 28, 2016
Umennajiego:
the possibility for such was thwarted by chief obafemi awolowo in the western house of assembly when I canvassed and bribe some ncnc members to cross carpet... This not only stamp ethnic politic but also introduced cross carpeting in Nigerian politics
Evidence that he bribed them?
Or we are to believe your own side only?
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by MosquitoLaps(m): 2:48pm On Mar 28, 2016
Timidelaw:
Thanks for giving me a supportive statement. that exactly is what we are saying. So why call Nigeria Internal problem a mistake of Amalgamation?

If just a unit of the Nation cannot live without these internal problems then why expect Nigeria.
Mind you, I wasn't supporting you.
The case of Rivers is intra-state politics. And they've lived together (harmoniously) under the PDP.
it was the coming of a strong opposition party that stalled the peace. That brings us to the national question.

How far have all ethnic nationalities united for a common cause?
Can you tell me two examples?
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 2:49pm On Mar 28, 2016
Umennajiego:
the possibility for such was thwarted by chief obafemi awolowo in the western house of assembly when I canvassed and bribe some ncnc members to cross carpet... This not only stamp ethnic politic but also introduced cross carpeting in Nigerian politics
Although, this allegation is enough to introduce cross carpeting in Nigerian politics, it is not enough to introduce ethnic politics. The mindset of the people is what brought about ethnic politics. Just like an Igbo cannot contest in the west, he cannot contest in the north. This applies to all other regions.
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by Umennajiego(m): 2:50pm On Mar 28, 2016
Blaming Nigerian underdevelopment would have been justified if we were still in the 1970s but over 100 years after amalgamation is stupid and shallow rooted...taking the asian tigers for example how long did it take Singapore ,south Korea and d rest of them to transform from a colonial country to some of the biggest economic hubs in Asia.

I.m.o just saying i know this is an online competition but I feel the contestants were lazy with source materials depending on online sources... Wonderful writeup
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by Mordecai(m): 2:52pm On Mar 28, 2016
Let us look at this amalgamation as a marriage. If after thirty years of marriage, a woman still complains she wants out of it, would you not assume there is something fundamentally wrong with the union?

Also when a business partnership, or marriage is contracted between a man and a woman, without both of them knowing what they were going into, either as a result of ignorance, or of immaturity, what would you call it? Fait accompli, or a mistake?
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by horlapelumi(m): 2:52pm On Mar 28, 2016
emaculate99:
Ok, what was written there is that the amalgamation is done arbitrarily without recourse for people's interest. I gave a premise to support that, that if Benin Republic is part of the portion given to Britain, Benin Republic would have been amalgamated with Nigeria because it is a portion of Britain. My conclusion in that write up is that Britain did the amalgamation process without any recourse for people's interest. They did it arbitrarily. The arbitrariness necessitated the appellation, "mistake" given to it.
I then asked if you would have preferred the French to colonise us instead and not merge us like they did not merge Benin Republic.

Be that as it may, Implied consent is consent which is not expressly granted by a person, but rather implicitly granted by a person's actions and the facts and circumstances of a particular situation (or in some cases, by a person's silence or inaction). Applying to this instance, there was consent arising from the actions of our people to the proclamation as there was Zero disapproval. Who knows if there has been such, the British government would have had a rethink then
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by akigbemaru: 2:53pm On Mar 28, 2016
IS AMALGAMATION IS AN HISTORIC AL MISTAKE INTER SCHOOL DEBATE.
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by Mordecai(m): 2:56pm On Mar 28, 2016
horlapelumi:
I then asked if you would have preferred the French to colonise us instead and not merge us like they did not merge Benin Republic.

Be that as it may, Implied consent is consent which is not expressly granted by a person, but rather implicitly granted by a person's actions and the facts and circumstances of a particular situation (or in some cases, by a person's silence or inaction). Applying to this instance, there was consent arising from the actions of our people to the proclamation as there was Zero disapproval. Who knows if there has been such, the British government would have had a rethink then
In the recent cases of girl abductions, where an under-aged girl eloped with her mature lover, would you call her actions consent?
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by OAUTemitayo: 2:57pm On Mar 28, 2016
My conclusion is that the amalgamation was done without the consent of the people and should be reexamined. Their should be a referendum to be monitored by United Nations where everybody will decide how they want to live their life
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by Fynestboi(mod): 2:58pm On Mar 28, 2016
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THIS is what we are talking about... I must say I really enjoyed myself




Judges kindly send across your result...
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by horlapelumi(m): 2:59pm On Mar 28, 2016
Mordecai:
In the recent cases of girl abductions, where an under-aged girl eloped with her mature lover, would you call her actions consent?
This are issues of clear and distinct facts, don't even compare
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by Umennajiego(m): 2:59pm On Mar 28, 2016
emaculate99:
Although, this allegation is enough to introduce cross carpeting in Nigerian politics, it is not enough to introduce ethnic politics. The mindset of the people is what brought about ethnic politics. Just like an Igbo cannot contest in the west, he cannot contest in the north. This applies to all other regions.
understood but before independnce and before widespread ethnicity, the southerners had always filled up civil service positions in the north and had done DAT freely until 1967... To nnamdi azikiwe wh was a polyglot, born. The north business n the west and from the east most of his supporters were Yoruba's and Hausa's and he was sure and confident of a clearance vote for ncnc in d western house of assembly until he was betrayed and sidelined by members wh had being bribed.... This made zik return to the east and became active as an eastern politican ...Nigerian politics had being about personal and ethnic gains since the introduction of regionalism in '47 but tbt we can't blame 1914 for our present situation
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by horlapelumi(m): 3:02pm On Mar 28, 2016
I humbly submit that the amalgamation of 1914 was not a mistake nor a forceful joining of entity
Even the former President Jonathan in his speech on the celebration of our Centenary agreed with my position when he said in quote ' I have often expressed the conviction that our amalgamation was not a mistake. While our Union may have been inspired by considerations external to our people; I have no doubt that we are destined by God Almighty to live together as one big nation, united in diversity'.

Thank you all
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 3:06pm On Mar 28, 2016
horlapelumi:
I then asked if you would have preferred the French to colonise us instead and not merge us like they did not merge Benin Republic.

Be that as it may, Implied consent is consent which is not expressly granted by a person, but rather implicitly granted by a person's actions and the facts and circumstances of a particular situation (or in some cases, by a person's silence or inaction). Applying to this instance, there was consent arising from the actions of our people to the proclamation as there was Zero disapproval. Who knows if there has been such, the British government would have had a rethink then
I think you are going out of the scope of the debate with this question.

Silence is not an implied consent. Though, you might argue that if they had spoken when they ought to have spoken, it will be taken as an implied consent. But you should know that these people were conquered by the British, the British ruled them without given them a chance in the helm of the affairs before amalgamation. The British has an undue influence over these people and they made used of their undue influence in imposing amalgamation over them because they know that most of the parts of the company had been conquered by them and others had been induced to leave their affairs into their hands, they cannot protest. it is necessary for the british government to act in the interest of the ruled and not their interest because of the influence they have over them. From this, you will understand that their inability to protest is not as a result of their approval but as a result that they were incapacitated with the aforementioned. Therefore, their silence is not an implied consent.
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by Nnabugwu8590: 3:12pm On Mar 28, 2016
After 100 years of amalgamation, is our achievement as a nation encouraging?
Who are the leaders that formulated our 1999 constitution?
The 1914 almagamation, was it done on the interest of rule of justice for the nothern and southern Nigerians?
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by Seylad2009(m): 3:15pm On Mar 28, 2016
@ Team OAU and Team LASU,kudos to you.
However,(supporting team)you didn't really suggest a way(solution) to stay together and d benefit ahead if we're together or (opposing team) the steps to take in case some people(region) want to pull out of the marriage(amalgamation)
Thank u.
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by Timidelaw(m): 3:15pm On Mar 28, 2016
In submission to all points canvased, am certain that have not convinced you as to what is or what is not, but have been able to shed more light on the known fact that, 1914 Amalgamation was not a mistake. I simply then call on Nigerians, lead by the youths, future of tomorrow to stand up to the task ahead of us, brace up and overcome the natural challenges which any nation will face, in unity and as peace loving individuals. Respect to the views of my opponent, was great sharing ideas with you, great job Moderator and Judges, special thanks to the CEO, Nairaland, Mr. Seun, and most importantly, the audience, without you, we would only be blabbing. #WE ARE LASU,WE ARE PROUD
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by Fynestboi(mod): 3:15pm On Mar 28, 2016
Debaters make sure you answer a questions...



RESULT LOADING...
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by Fynestboi(mod): 3:16pm On Mar 28, 2016
Fynestboi:
Debaters make sure you answer a questions...



RESULT LOADING...
Debaters can conclude their argument..
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by emaculate99: 3:17pm On Mar 28, 2016
"Before colonialism, there was nothing like Northern Nigeria, before the Sokoto Jihad, there was nothing like Sokoto Caliphate. The man from Kano regards himself as Bakane. The man from Zaria was Bazzage... the Yoruba were Ijebu, owo, Ijesha, Akoko, Egba. The colonialist came, put that together and said it is now called the Northern (protectorate)... our grandfathers were able to transform to being Northerners. We have not been able to transform to being Nigeria." This were credited to Emir Sanusi Lamido
From this, it can be asserted that, amalgamation which was meant to make us an entity failed because we are not ready to be regarded as a member of such entity. This is not far fetched from the lack of consultation and the imposition of amalgamation placed on the people. If the 1914 amalgamation was made with recourse to the people's interest, Nigeria would have been better today and we would have transformed themselves into "Nigerians".
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by OAUTemitayo: 3:18pm On Mar 28, 2016
Seylad2009:
@ Team OAU and Team LASU,kudos to you.
However,(supporting team)you didn't really suggest a way(solution) to stay together and d benefit ahead if we're together or (opposing team) the steps to take in case some people(region) want to pull out of the marriage(amalgamation)
Thank u.
OAUTemitayo:
My conclusion is that the amalgamation was done without the consent of the people and should be reexamined. Their should be a referendum to be monitored by United Nations where everybody will decide how they want to live their life
OAUTemitayo:
My conclusion is that the amalgamation was done without the consent of the people and should be reexamined. Their should be a referendum to be monitored by United Nations where everybody will decide how they want to live their life
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by horlapelumi(m): 3:23pm On Mar 28, 2016
horlapelumi:
I humbly submit that the amalgamation of 1914 was not a mistake nor a forceful joining of entity
Even the former President Jonathan in his speech on the celebration of our Centenary agreed with my position when he said in quote ' I have often expressed the conviction that our amalgamation was not a mistake. While our Union may have been inspired by considerations external to our people; I have no doubt that we are destined by God Almighty to live together as one big nation, united in diversity'.

Thank you all
My conclusion sir
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by Nnabugwu8590: 3:27pm On Mar 28, 2016
horlapelumi:
I humbly submit that the amalgamation of 1914 was not a mistake nor a forceful joining of entity
Even the former President Jonathan in his speech on the celebration of our Centenary agreed with my position when he said in quote ' I have often expressed the conviction that our amalgamation was not a mistake. While our Union may have been inspired by considerations external to our people; I have no doubt that we are destined by God Almighty to live together as one big nation, united in diversity'.

Thank you all
He said it because it will be contradictory for him if he said otherwise because he was operating as the president in the platform of the 1914 almagamation. That is why he went ahead to conduct national conference that he technically believed would help to solve the problems caused by the mistake of 1914 almagamation.
Thank you.
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by Fynestboi(mod): 3:34pm On Mar 28, 2016
Obinoscopy: Timidelaw did great in his main article but was very poor in his rebuttals

Emaculate99 needs to get his facts right. Lots of historical errors in his main article
Here are Emaculate99 errors:

" Historically, the amalgamation of Nigeria stemmed out from the 1984/85 scramble of Africa which took no recourse for the interest of the people in the communities that were being shared."
Was the amalgamation carried in 1984/85?

"Moreover, the mistake of the 1914 amalgamation has been expressed by eminent personalities like Obafemi Awolowo, Tafawa Balewa and a host of others and have been put into action by the Biafrans in 1963 and recently
The Biafra declaration was in 1967, not 1963




Horlapelumi's article wasn't robust enough. Very few viable points. A good argumentative essay is one which maximises the number of viable points to buttress his arguement within the limited space given.




All in all, they did great.

My best contestant is Temidelaw. Although, he was very poor in his rebuttals. He needs to work on that.



Signed
Obinoscopy
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by TemmyMatt(m): 3:48pm On Mar 28, 2016
You all have really done 'wow'!
Great kudos to OAU representatives - OAUtemitayo & emaculate99...I recommend you both for the World InterSchool Debate(if it ever exists).

Nevertheless,every Nairalander reading this would agree with me that the Moderator(s) was/were coming for the LASU representatives,particularly horlapelumi. I'm very sure that this made him a bit uncomfortable that at a point he lost control of himself.

For this reason,I think special consideration should be given to him.

But I'm still dead sure that #OAU no dey carry last...

Thank you!
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by Fynestboi(mod): 3:55pm On Mar 28, 2016
RESULT LOADING...
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by Mordecai(m): 4:02pm On Mar 28, 2016
I have to agree with you, horlapelumi had a lot of questions, but he did his best to respond to every single one of them. However, it was easy to throw them at him, because he left a lot of holes in his arguments.

Anyway horlapelumi and emaculate99, given the pressure on you and how you still held your own, my respects.
Re: Nairaland Interschool Debate Semi Finals Winner: OAU by graciousolo(m): 4:09pm On Mar 28, 2016
Fynestboi:
Here are Emaculate99 errors:

Was the amalgamation carried in 1984/85?

The Biafra declaration was in 1967, not 1963






Signed
Obinoscopy
I don't know if I'm allowed to contribute here. I think emmaculate99 was probably referring to the Berlin conference in '1884/85' which led to the scramble for Africa, which is led to the almagamation in 1914.
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