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raumdeuter:
Wetin Ryan Giggs do.

As analysts Atimes its easy to sit down and claim one coach is shit or this and that. For University na me be the coach of my department and I know wetin my eye dey see

Boys no go come training but go insist say dem wan play, We go get training people like dadehmola dem go siddon for girls hostel, some of them for halftime go light cigar like nihilist and dey smoke by the time dem enter field after 6mins would be begging to be subbed out

Some go insists on the position they have to play, Some no go ever fall back to help in defence just stand for front putting hand for waist waiting for ball

You go even set formation finish person like Ibime with dem oversabi go dey tell you say na this formation we suppose play

You have to admit that aside competence there is a lot of luck that goes into coaching e.g I believe Benitez is a better tactician than many give him props for and he's better than coaching a relegation bound Newcastle

Baba weyrey,.....,,

As I see dis write up I sabi say na only one mischievous soul fit achieve d purpose set out from d beginning.......

I greet u officially sir Dk.......

raumdeuter:
This is Bullshitt sorry

5 teams have won the league since 1992. What Pedigree did Mancini have before winning the league and what pedigree did Ranieiri have if he should win this league or if Pocchetino wins what pedigree would he have?

The sacking culture in England is no different than its in other leagues Since August when the league started EPL has fired/resigned 9 coaches, Italy has sacked/resigned 11, La Liga 9 coaches, So how is this asinine excuse a reason for the poverty of footballing and coaching talent in England

Didnt all these clubs try English coaches before sacking them? Aside Man Utd, tell us any EPL club who didnt have an English coach since 1992 yet they have found a way to sack them. Was it not Mark Hughes who failed the City project before they started hiring Mancini and co?

Did Chelsea not try Glenn Hoddle before dumping him for Gullit, Vialli and co? Did Liverpool not give several opportunities to Brendan Rodgers, Kevin Keegan etc

The NT nko? How come the local coaches are so useless that they have to appoint foreigners to coach even the NT

4 teams have dominated the EPL since 1992.

These 4 teams have marked their ascendancy with periods of heavy spending.

Ferguson was breaking the British transfer records regularly from 1993 and i think he did that more on more than 5 occasions

Arsenal under Wenger regularly outspent most most other teams in terms of wages/transfers

Chelsea only became dominant from the coming of Roman, before him, we were the equivalent of spurs today(if that sef) so your point about hoddle/ vialli and co is not even relevant.

City only became relevant with the coming of Arab money.

Now check this.

Is there a single manager who won the league at any of these clubs who had not already won the league in their countries of birth?

Every single one of these guys, from Ferguson, to Wenger, to Jose to Ancelotti to Mancini to Pellegrini. All of these guys had won their local leagues in their countries of birth....


Some of the names I mentioned there, went straight from relegating a club to managing the top clubs of their home countries e.g Wenger, Pellegrini and Mancini.

Someone like AVB had virtually no managerial experience but was given a chance at Portugal's biggest club. The only manager that has been given that kind of chance is Moyes....and hes not English

What English manager has been given this opportunity in his own country?

Btw Mark Hughes is NOT English

dmcdad:
Really? Why do you guys fight? It's funny cause one is European and the other South American.

we re d only ones @ home dat doesnt support naija, so we ave crazy clash esp. In world appearances of d two counties......

All these coaches you mentioned started from smaller teams in their home countries did well before they got to bigger teams in their home country did well before they went abroad

Ferguson started from St Mirren did well, went to Aberdeen did well before he gott to go to Man Utd

Mourinho same thing started at a smaller club did well, went to Porto did Well went to Chelsea

Mancini took Fiorentina won Coppa Italia, went to Lazio won Copa Italia before he got the opportunity to coach Inter Milan

What happened to all the English coaches? What happened to all the opportunities given to them

Steve McClaren was touted to be a brilliant coach by English standard i heard he was just fired by Newcastle after poor results, Tim Sherwood nko? WHat of Gary Monk sacked after 1 win in 11, The saviour Brendan Rodgers nko? Was he not given enough support at Liverpool? Was he fired untimely? Or Kevin Keegan

When would the Alan Pardew, Alan Curbushley, Paul Jewel, Roy Hodgson, Glen Roeder do well in their smaller clubs to earn a promotion to bigger clubs before we can start talking

raumdeuter:
All these coaches you mentioned started from smaller teams in their home countries did well before they got to bigger teams in their home country did well before they went abroad

Ferguson started from St Mirren did well, went to Aberdeen did well before he gott to go to Man Utd

Mourinho same thing started at a smaller club did well, went to Porto did Well went to Chelsea

Mancini took Fiorentina won Coppa Italia, went to Lazio won Copa Italia before he got the opportunity to coach Inter Milan

What happened to all the English coaches? What happened to all the opportunities given to them

Steve McClaren was touted to be a brilliant coach by English standard i heard he was just fired by Newcastle after poor results, Tim Sherwood nko? WHat of Gary Monk sacked after 1 win in 11, The saviour Brendan Rodgers nko? Was he not given enough support at Liverpool? Was he fired untimely? Or Kevin Keegan

When would the Alan Pardew, Alan Curbushley, Paul Jewel, Roy Hodgson, Glen Roeder do well in their smaller clubs to earn a promotion to bigger clubs before we can start talking

Again this thing is very simple.

These guys got jobs at the top clubs in theIreland countries with relatively little experience.

AVB had only one years managerial experience and he got the job at porto. Jose had around 3 years of managerial experience. Mancini had relegated Fiorentina in his very short managerial career pre-inter. Wenger went straight from relegation to Monaco.

The fact of the matter is that all these guys got opportunities and patience in their home countries that is not available here.

The equivalent of Porto Monaco and Inter is Manyoo City Arsenal and Chelsea.

Please stop dumbing down the discussion by mentioning newcastle and Swansea.

As you can see from the examples I gave, even relegation did not stop Wenger from being offered a title shot with Monaco. It didn't stop Mancini from being offered a title shot at Inter. Pep went from Barca's reserves to a title shot. Even Zidane went from coach to manager with zero experience.

So why is Pardew finishing 5th with that dead Newcastle but only saw a job at relegation battling (at the time) Palace?

How come Redknapp with FA Cup wins and UCL experience never got a cracK at one of the current big 4?

Why is Nigel Adkins who led Southampton to back to back promotions from.League 1 to EPL currently back in league 1 managing Sheffield United?

You can argue that they've failed in some regards, but the nature of the managerial career includes inevitable failures...

The question is why is it that it's only in the EPL that the failures actively work against English managers?

Chestar5:
we re d only ones @ home dat doesnt support naija, so we ave crazy clash esp. In world appearances of d two counties......

Ohh ok.

Funny enough I and my brothers are staunch supporters of Barça and Brazil bar one of us, my immediate elder brother. My eldest bro, myself and my younger brother are Culés and Samba respectively.

I have never supported SE since I came into this world. I almost cried in 1996, when Nigeria defeated Brazil. And also, for the sake of Messi and him winning at least a trophy with the Abicelestes, we support Argentina too.

Nihilist:
Again this thing is very simple.

These guys got jobs at the top clubs in theIreland countries with relatively little experience.

AVB had only one years managerial experience and he got the job at porto. Jose had around 3 years of managerial experience. Mancini had relegated Fiorentina in his very short managerial career pre-inter. Wenger went straight from relegation to Monaco.

The fact of the matter is that all these guys got opportunities and patience in their home countries that is not available here.

The equivalent of Porto Monaco and Inter is Manyoo City Arsenal and Chelsea.

Please stop dumbing down the discussion by mentioning newcastle and Swansea.

As you can see from the examples I gave, even relegation did not stop Wenger from being offered a title shot with Monaco. It didn't stop Mancini from being offered a title shot at Inter. Pep went from Barca's reserves to a title shot. Even Zidane went from coach to manager with zero experience.

So why is Pardew finishing 5th with that dead Newcastle but only saw a job at relegation battling (at the time) Palace?

How come Redknapp with FA Cup wins and UCL experience never got a cracK at one of the current big 4?

Why is Nigel Adkins who led Southampton to back to back promotions from.League 1 to EPL currently back in league 1 managing Sheffield United?

You can argue that they've failed in some regards, but the nature of the managerial career includes inevitable failures...

The question is why is it that it's only in the EPL that the failures actively work against English managers?

AVB took a bottom club mid table and was rewarded with a bigger opportunity

All these mancini Mourinho you said they had success with the smaller clubs and were given bigger clubs

Brendan Rodgers had success in small Swansea, People thought his football was revolutionary, they promoted him to a top side and gave him money. Where did he end Liverpool? Was that the way Mourinho Mancini, Pep ended the bigger clubs they gave them?

Redknapp won the FA cup with Portsmouth and was rewarded with a bigger pie in SPurs, How did he fare afterwards?

Allardyce did well with Bolton and was given a bigger pie in Newcastle to manage. How did he do? Failed

Steve McClaren? He did well with Boro, was actually given the NT job and he failed to qualify them for Euro 2008

The continental examples you gave, they did faily well in smaller clubs they are entrusted to bigger clubs and perform well. who would entrust anything to Rodgers, Redknapp McClaren after what they destroyed

You sef look at the type of football some of these English coaches play and wont you be disgusted? Allardyce actually thought long throw-in is a tactic that can make you big. EPL fans would say they saw the difference in play pattern after they got an European coach

raumdeuter:
AVB took a bottom club mid table and was rewarded with a bigger opportunity

All these mancini Mourinho you said they had success with the smaller clubs and were given bigger clubs

Brendan Rodgers had success in small Swansea, People thought his football was revolutionary, they promoted him to a top side and gave him money. Where did he end Liverpool? Was that the way Mourinho Mancini, Pep ended the bigger clubs they gave them?

Redknapp won the FA cup with Portsmouth and was rewarded with a bigger pie in SPurs, How did he fare afterwards?

Allardyce did well with Bolton and was given a bigger pie in Newcastle to manage. How did he do? Failed

Steve McClaren? He did well with Boro, was actually given the NT job and he failed to qualify them for Europe

The continental examples you gave, they did faily well in smaller clubs they are entrusted to bigger clubs and perform well. who would entrust anything to Rodgers, Redknapp McClaren after what they destroyed

My friend why do you keep jumping f course.

There have been 4 dominant clubs in the EPL.

I've given examples of managers going from relegation straight to title contending clubs in their home countries. Managers with a year or less of top flight managerial experience given opportunities at regular title contending clubs like Inter, Porto, Monaco(at the time), Real Madrid, Barca and Universidad Catolica(One of the biggest clubs in Chile)...and you're here mentioning Bolton spurs and Newcastle.



You seem to be on a mission to dumb down the discussion, otherwise you would have acknowledged this very obvious discrepancy....which would have led to a discussion on WHY this discrepancy exists.

I've no time for your usual post shifting antics. Good night.

Nihilist:
My friend why do you keep jumping f course.

There have been 4 dominant clubs in the EPL.

I've given examples of managers going from relegation straight to title contending clubs in their home countries. Managers with a year or less of top flight managerial experience given opportunities at regular title contending clubs like Inter, Porto, Monaco(at the time), Real Madrid, Barca and Universidad Catolica(One of the biggest clubs in Chile)...and you're here mentioning Bolton spurs and Newcastle.



You seem to be on a mission to dumb down the discussion, otherwise you would have acknowledged this very obvious discrepancy....which would have led to a discussion on WHY this discrepancy exists.

I've no time for your usual post shifting antics. Good night.

Before Inter Mancini went to Fiorentina and Lazio are those not the equivalent of Spurs and Newcastle?

Before Porto Mourinho went to Union Leira and Benfica what are the equivalent of those here? are those not Bolton and Liverpool size?

Catolica wasnt the first job Pellegrini did , I checked wiki now and saw he managed Palestino and O'Higgins are those the top clubs in Chile?

Jogi Low was given German NT just like McClaren was given the NT what did Low make of his what did McClaren make of his. Or Keegan or all the others

raumdeuter:
Before Inter Mancini went to Fiorentina and Lazio are those not the equivalent of Spurs and Newcastle?

Before Porto Mourinho went to Union Leira and Benfica what are the equivalent of those here? are those not Bolton and Liverpool size?

Catolica wasnt the first job Pellegrini did , I checked wiki now and saw he managed Palestino and O'Higgins are those the top clubs in Chile?
Jogi Low was given German NT just like McClaren was given the NT what did Low make of his what did McClaren make of his

Although Mancini had written a research pamphlet entitled "Il Trequartista" which examined the role of an attacking midfielder, he had not as yet attained the necessary coaching badges to become a manager. He therefore needed special dispensation from the Italian football authorities to take the post at Fiorentina,[34] which was given on 4 March 2001.

Wikipedia

That alone tells you the kind of support granted to Mancini in Italy that you cannot find in England. He wasn't even legally qualified to manage, yet he got a job at Fiorentina

By the time he got offered the Lazio job, he had only 10 months total of managerial experience.

10 months experience was all Mancini needed to get a shot to manage a Champions League club.

By the time he went to Inter, he had only been a manager for 2 years.

Jose Mourinho had ZERO managerial experience when he got the chance to manage Benfica....a Champions league club and one of the biggest clubs in Portugal.

Which English manager has been given that chance at a top club?

Dayo please just get out of here....

raumdeuter:
Did Chelsea not try Glenn Hoddle before dumping him for Gullit, Vialli and co? Did Liverpool not give several opportunities to Brendan Rodgers, Kevin Keegan etc

Correction. Hoddle dumped Chelsea for England.

On the argument, I find the English to be generally backward in football.

England is the only big team I know not to have a deeplying playmaking defensive midfielder to control the game, yet expect to win tournaments without that midfield control. It is no surprise that the last winning teams had Schweini and Kroos controlling the game from deep, and brfore that Busquets, Alonso and Xavi, even going back 10 years, you have Pirlo and De Rossi.

Meanwhile the only half-decent DMs England produced in the last 15 years are Hargreaves and now Dier, both foreign trained.

And yet the English don't see the urgency of the situation and their press think they can win tournaments without this key portion of the team.

Only in England would Paul Scholes be allowed to retire early to make way for Gerrard and Lampard and the press won't bat an eyelid. While Lampard in particular is a great AM, the game is controlled from the deep position and Scholes was the only nigga England had that can drop deep, receive the ball from the back 4 and dictate the game.

Nihilist:
Although Mancini had written a research pamphlet entitled "Il Trequartista" which examined the role of an attacking midfielder, he had not as yet attained the necessary coaching badges to become a manager. He therefore needed special dispensation from the Italian football authorities to take the post at Fiorentina,[34] which was given on 4 March 2001.

Wikipedia

That alone tells you the kind of support granted to Mancini in Italy that you cannot find in England. He wasn't even legally qualified to manage, yet he got a job at Fiorentina

By the time he got offered the Lazio job, he had only 10 months total of managerial experience.

10 months experience was all Mancini needed to get a shot to manage a Champions League club.

By the time he went to Inter, he had only been a manager for 2 years.

Jose Mourinho had ZERO managerial experience when he got the chance to manage Benfica....a Champions league club and one of the biggest clubs in Portugal.

Which English manager has been given that chance at a top club?

Dayo please just get out of here....

Avram Grant didnt have a coaching license yet was given a job at Chelsea in England that doesnt give people chances.

By the time he went to Lazio he had already won Coppa Italia, by the time he went to Inter he had already won 2 Coppa Italia. Pay attention and see the progression

Mourinho was assistant coach at Lisbon to Juup just like Giggs(Though Welsh) is currently and when Juup left he assumed post of manager just like Giggs did at Englands biggest club when Moyes was let go.

Difference after the Benfica small job Mourinho found his way to small club Uniao Leira to gain first team managerial experience while Giggs is still sitting in Man Utd bench instead of finding his way to West Brom like Mourinho did

But let English manager continue to wait for someone to hand them the biggest prize

Ibime:
Correction. Hoddle dumped Chelsea for England.

On the argument, I find the English to be generally backward in football.

England is the only big team I know not to have a deeplying playmaking defensive midfielder to control the game, yet expect to win tournaments without that midfield control. It is no surprise that the last winning teams had Schweini and Kroos controlling the game from deep, and brfore that Busquets, Alonso and Xavi, even going back 10 years, you have Pirlo and De Rossi.

Meanwhile the only half-decent DMs England produced in the last 15 years are Hargreaves and now Dier, both foreign trained.

And yet the English don't see the urgency of the situation and their press think they can win tournaments without this key portion of the team.

Only in England would Paul Scholes be allowed to retire early to make way for Gerrard and Lampard and the press won't bat an eyelid. While Lampard in particular is a great AM, the game is controlled from the deep position and Scholes was the only nigga England had that can drop deep, receive the ball from the back 4 and dictate the game.

You are making sense. England is always like 5yrs behind coaching trends.

Right now some are talking about pairing Vardy and Kane. when other countries might not even use a striker or at most use 1 and overload midfield. Later dem go dey wonder why ball no reach dem strikers

On the deep lying playmaker role you said thats a good point, Imagine Italy still had to beg Pirlo from MLS to still play for them England allowed World class Scholes to retire

In 2010 when most top nations were already playing 4-2-3-1 with 1 striker England was still using Defoe, Heskey and Rooney as striker

Even till Euro 2012 when Spain has even taken it further to using false 9, England was still using Welbeck and Rooney in attack

Despite Mourinho and other EPL coaches already dropping the 2 strikers as far back as 2004 England as a nation was still stuck in their 2 striker formattion
Everyone go dey move forward England go still dey dull

raumdeuter:
Avram Grant didnt have a coaching license yet was given a job at Chelsea in England that doesnt give people chances.

By the time he went to Lazio he had already won Coppa Italia, by the time he went to Inter he had already won 2 Coppa Italia. Pay attention and see the progression

Mourinho was assistant coach at Lisbon to Juup just like Giggs(Though Welsh) is currently and when Juup left he assumed post of manager just like Giggs did at Englands biggest club when Moyes was let go.

Difference after the Benfica small job Mourinho found his way to small club Uniao Leira to gain first team managerial experience while Giggs is still sitting in Man Utd bench instead of finding his way to West Brom like Mourinho did

But let English manager continue to wait for someone to hand them the biggest prize

In effect Guardiola, Zidane,Wenger Mancini and Pellegrini were handed the biggest prize!

You asked why the English have not won the league.

The answer is that the English do not manage the teams that have won the league.

The reason why they haven't been given the chance to manage those clubs is down to a lack of trust.

I have shown time and time again how experience is optional when it comes to recruiting on the continent. Mancini was still a player for Leicester when he got offered the Fiorentina job. This was a team that had won the Coppa Italia only the season before...and were playing in Europe, signing an actual football player still in contract to manage them.

Mourinho had no experience before becoming Benfica manager. AvB had less than a year. Pellegrini relegated one club, the next season he was hired by the biggest club in Chile. Wenger relegated a club in May...by July he was managing Monaco.

It's then patently obvious that their past experiences or even failures cannot be objectively used as a reason to castigate English managers, when their contemporaries have histories just as bad...or even none at all!


Which is why I'm going to ask you for the last time: Why does 'experience' seem to be holding back English managers in England, in a way that it clearly doesn't elsewhere in Europe?

I'll give you a clue: It's the same reason why you are depriving a natural born American of a job where you are. The same reason why there's a white English boy probably crying himself to sleep at night because Ibime is sitting in the chair that should have been his....

It's the one of the reasons why the UK will be voting on June 23 whether to remain in the European Union....

According to Squawka Statistics, Christensen's overall performance score rates him the 7th best defender in the German League this season.

Just this evening, the rumor making the round has it that we're eager to recall the lad who is on loan at Borrusia M'Gladbach.

Truth is, before we went shopping for mediocres like Djibolowhatever, Hector et al, I was already of the view that we monitor Andreas' progress. Seems like the useless Emenalo led management have seen enough of their own folly.

Christensen featured in the two friendlies played by Denmark during the Int break, completing 180mins in the process. Tell me why he doesn't deserve a chance here.

raumdeuter:
They are 6 points off relegation and they need a coach right away

I'm sure they wanted him, but in Spain a coach can't manage 2 different teams in a season!

Nihilist:
Its toown early to be submitting asinine comments

Of the 4 teams that have won the league since 92, 2 of them have had very long term managers, the two new guys on the block brought marquee managers with pedigree.


An English manager hasn't won it simply because there hasn't been an English manager at any of those teams for the last 20 years.

A lot of this simply has to do with the sacking culture prevalent in England. All the big name foreign coaches in England today were given opportunities in their homelands to cut their teeth before moving to England to manage.

Ferguson managed in Scotland. Wenger managed in France. Jose Managed in Portugal. LVG managed in Holland.

But when in England, you get sacked before you even get the chance to hang your picture on the wall in your new office, how do you get the chance to cut your teeth?

How do you get the chance to gain the relevant experience to become a marquee manager yourself?

So I don't see how some idi0t somewhere can claim English managers don't have the knowledge, when none have been given the chance. I'm even more disappointed that you posted that rubbish here

how anyone can choose to not see the point here would have been surprising but then it's Ramudeen Ramuzaki.

Anything anti English gives him multiple órgasms.

Hahaha....Its an overfact that English coaches are poor

This is Gullit There is no way you are convincing me he didn't bang Ake's mother


Chai....

bigkesh:
This is Gullit There is no way you are convincing me he didn't bang Ake's mother


Chai....

plus d fact dat dey came from d same country

make EPL resume abeg,international break dey boring

Ibime:
The moment you realise that Iniesta only completed 73% of his passes at 2010 World Cup.
Kai. Xavi has done a lot for that nigga.

And 73% is not a good enough plateau? Or you're just trying to take the gilt off the ginger bread on purpose?...

darkenedrebel:
And 73% is not a good enough plateau? Or you're just trying to take the gilt off the ginger bread on purpose?...

Any ninja performing below 85% dey phuck up.

73% means you throway one out of 4 passes.

Xavi did the same world cup at 92%.

dmcdad:
Really? Why do you guys fight? It's funny cause one is European and the other South American.

Is this a polite way of saying you smell lies

pamcode:
Is this a polite way of saying you smell lies

Nope, not at all. Far far from it.

I iust wondered what their rivalry could be about?

Ibime:
Any ninja performing below 85% dey phuck up.

73% means you throway one out of 4 passes.

Xavi did the same world cup at 92%.

Well, that was 2010...2015 stat berthed his total amount of completed passes at 88%(73% of which were forward passes)

Nonetheless, you should also bear in mind that Iniesta is more venturesome, motile and loves embarking on dazzling runs which in most cases lead to goals - and that makes him more susceptible to getting dispossessed than Xavi who almost never embarked on such runs...If you probe further, I'm sure you'd discover that 30% or so out of those 92% passes completed by Xavi in WC were 'lateral passes' and not forward passes...

darkenedrebel:
Nonetheless, you should also bear in mind that Iniesta is more venturesome, motile and loves embarking on dazzling runs which in most cases lead to goals - and that makes him more susceptible to getting dispossessed than Xavi who almost never embarked on such runs...

Being dispossessed while dribbling does not count as a failed pass.

Is it true that mourinho is now SE head coach or just a mere april fool news. . .

SCOOPERJEF:
Is it true that mourinho is now SE head coach or just a mere april fool news. . .

I heard Martin O'Neill has been offered the job after Pinnick flew to Ireland to discuss contracts...

Nihilist:
I heard Martin O'Neill has been offered the job after Pinnick flew to Ireland to discuss contracts...

Yeah.. same way.. Arsene Wenger will be resuming duty next season as Chelsea FC manager

Odunharry:
Yeah.. same way.. Arsene Wenger will be resuming duty next season as Chelsea FC manager

Even a nigga by the name FOOL will tell you to call him a FOOL if he ever fall for this

Emaprince:
Even a nigga by the name FOOL will tell you to call him a FOOL if he ever fall for this

lol..Arsene Wenger no be coach??