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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by FastShipping: 3:49am On Apr 14, 2016
n3xt:


Thinking undecided

Why dont you want to ship this things in yourself? I knew Furnitures are contraband but I have a guy who brings them in and that's the jankara market where me I buy. Definitely not for clients o.

Some kickass Furnitures from Germany just came in recently and I just got some to upgrade the Furnitures in H52.

Anyway, I'll roll out the 2nd list shortly.

Pic: Furniture inside NextHome H52

Furniture are no more contrabands. You can ask from licensed agents.

I am prepared to bring them in. I am only looking at options of buying in Lagos if I can find imported ones that can fit my taste.

I have been doing window shopping in the last three weeks and settled for the different living-room sets. The place is only 10 minutes drive from my house.
http://www.roomstogo.com/product/Living-Room-Sets/Piedmont-Gray-5-Pc-Sectional-Living-Room/1019215P/
http://www.roomstogo.com/product/Living-Room-Sets/Cindy-Crawford-Home-Alpen-Ridge-Tan-7-Pc-Living-Room/1088626P/
http://www.roomstogo.com/product/Living-Room-Sets/Sofia-Vergara-Mandalay-Charcoal-5-Pc-Living-Room/1091530P/
http://www.roomstogo.com/furniture/Living-Rooms/Living-Room-Sets/_/N-8ew?No=0&Nrpp=1000


There is a big furniture sale coming up at the end of July in the furniture capital of the USA (North Carolina) that I'm prepared to be part of.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 3:54am On Apr 14, 2016
FastShipping:


Furniture are no more contrabands. You can ask from licensed agents.

I am prepared to bring them in. I am only looking at options of buying in Lagos if I can find imported ones that can fit my taste.

I have been doing window shopping in the last three weeks and settled for the different living-room sets. The place is only 10 minutes drive from my house.
http://www.roomstogo.com/product/Living-Room-Sets/Piedmont-Gray-5-Pc-Sectional-Living-Room/1019215P/
http://www.roomstogo.com/product/Living-Room-Sets/Cindy-Crawford-Home-Alpen-Ridge-Tan-7-Pc-Living-Room/1088626P/
http://www.roomstogo.com/product/Living-Room-Sets/Sofia-Vergara-Mandalay-Charcoal-5-Pc-Living-Room/1091530P/
http://www.roomstogo.com/furniture/Living-Rooms/Living-Room-Sets/_/N-8ew?No=0&Nrpp=1000


There is a big furniture sale coming up at the end of July in the furniture capital of the USA (North Carolina) that I'm prepared to be part of.

This is a goodnews.

The only thing I still buy in Naija is tiles and of course, carefully selected original ones. Every other thing are shipped in by my guys who knew exactly what rocks my boat. Those things are crazily expensive here.

Person wey no get money like me for routine maintenance or upgrades no fit afford rework. Everything has to be quality upfront. It doesn't matter how long it took.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 6:53am On Apr 14, 2016
Meanwhile, I'm a collector. I won't finish a stylish posh house and person go come go put plastic chair. I do interior furnishing also.

Checkout some cool stuffs from my scrapbook.

Bathrooms in black.


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Last pic below is one of my light collection for the black bath and I believe Alan Caray will give me any of the faucets in the pics.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by crisisng: 10:11am On Apr 14, 2016
Thank you my Oga for taking the time to respond.

I totally understand where you are coming from you and I appreciate the way you are trying to solve all these issues.

One cannot do business and continually fight their clients. The business wont last.

I am glad you now have water tight contracts in place to close any misunderstanding or gaps.

I don't think your clients would have fought to take their jobs off you for no good reason (from their side). With all the work you do here no sane client will choose to part with you unless they feel the need to so some misunderstanding must have arisen somewhere.

I don't think there is a need to try and compare your work to theirs because I don't think any of them is competing with you in anyway. Parting companies does not necessarily mean you did a bad job. It could be a number of other reasons but I don't think competition was one of them.

Like I said I follow your threads/works with an open mind and I really enjoy your innovative ideas. I just think small things needs to be amended in working practices but like you said you are only human like the rest of us so you are fallible like the rest of us

Also I saw some of work where you put up pictures of mid range finishing which looked very good.

For things like that it's nice to have a cost element attached to it so that someone looking at it will appreciate the cost of doing such.
As you know your idea of midrange will be different to mine and others. The pictures you put up here in my opinion (with my small pocket) looks like high end finishing but that's just me.

As you know everyone wants good things but we also want it at a cost that we can afford so what will help in the future is to put some figures to such pictures. Now I am not expecting everything to the last naira but something like the following will suffice:

description: 4 bedroom ensuite, 2 living rooms, 1 dinning room, kitchen etc..
type of finishing: mid range
cost: between 5m-7m
What you get: furniture, floorings, paint, etc.

Just a rough idea so that when we come come across your work we can have an idea of what it will cost to do certain levels of finishing.

Here in Nigeria we tend to say things and that nail it down to the last detail and these often leads to misunderstandings where client and contractor don't agree.

keep up the good work.....


n3xt:


Thank you bro. Once again the intention is not to slight anyone. It's just for learning purpose.



Digs or no digs, it's the utmost truth up there. My only regrets is people fight to take away a project they'll end up messing up. Ever wondered why I showcased my Chateau and H52 by NextHome and some other well finished projects. It's simply to showcase the possibilities. Now, if you fight so hard to belittle Brabus or NextHome, what I'll be expecting is something that'll make me bury my head in shame and not something less. You need to see the way I plan with clients. It's beyond construction.



You're very right but if you happen to know a madman who just got healed. If he laughs too much, people will say he don start. If he stay moody, people will say he's up to something. If he runs too fast, people will say keep an eye on him o.
I hope this simply analogy will help you understand my predicament. The question you should ask is why is it when your projects are almost done that issues commence?

Let me just share a bit about the Brabus you don't know. I'm an introvert in real life but a loud mouth on the Internet. I'm resilient. I detest failure so much that I can do anything to get result even if it comes at an extra cost to me. I don't repay evil for evil. I don't renege on agreement even if it comes at a loss to me because I detest failure.

So, talking about a long list of people coming to complain about one man. I can say it's a very unfortunate coincidence which arises from unfounded suspicions.
"I heard you're building your own house." "If he's working too slow, I think he's up to something" "Are you sure he can finish that job with the small and unrealistic estimate he gave you?" "If he's silent on you, he may be planning to run away with your fund"

Because just like you, how else can I explain the complaint against a contractor who travelled out of his comfort zone for 5 - 6 months for a project that he did back-to-back until painting and all the client could say is that the contractor cheated him without a clear explanation of what went wrong. Even while friends are advising us to take a break from the 5 months stretch project to cool off, the client is feeling we haven't done enough. Make I leave am there. It's always something that can be managed but we felt the easy way out is to get our pound of flesh from online rants and complaints.

Before I go further, don't let me forget to mention that "Brabus is human"




Now, maybe I should explain to you in clear points out mode of operation and see where things can ever go wrong.

1. Contact NextHome via email, phone or sms.
2. Discuss your project, the building design and proposed changes (if another firm designed), the land, the nice-to-haves and must-have features of the project (if we're designing)
3. Discuss the site challenges and how to manage them. Discuss the roles of each party (client and NextHome).
4. Discuss the budget. I always ask what budget the client is looking at to complete the project even though many people decline this question for reasons best know to them.
5. Prepare an estimate for the proposed development covering (a) Foundation (b) Substructure (c) Superstructure (d) Roofing. 99% of our estimates always exclude the finishing work which we always tell the client to be upfront with the level of finishes and what works for them before we budget for it.
6. Do a downward review of estimates for clients who requested such
7. Draft a contract agreement with the project timeline/payment schedule and list of expected deliverables at each milestones with specific dates of completion.
8. Move to site.
9. Funds disbursed based on payment schedule after completion of all deliverables for the milestone.

Now, ask any of those who complained about me if I made up any of the above. Also, find out if there's any point in time I requested for variation on estimates given. Then, find out if the clients do their checks on the project at every milestone before payment for new stages are disbursed.

So what's the problem if agreements are honored. Timelines followed. Budget not exceeded. Quality not compromised. Payment paid as scheduled and agreed.




Bros, by now you should have known me. I don't hold grudges. I'm still trying to get the reasons just like you why people complain about things they cannot explain with facts and figures.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gabbytabby: 10:26am On Apr 14, 2016
Eko is moving forward

#ambodeisworking
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n3xt:
Ajah Flyover Update: Practising what you preach.

The Lagos state government has not only commence work on the alternative roads to ease off traffic during the construction of the flyover at Ajah roundabout. They've also stepped up by ensuring that the best engineering practices were followed in the construction.

Few weeks ago, pile load test was conducted by the contractor. More on the importance of pile load test to be discussed here later on this thread.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gabbytabby: 10:48am On Apr 14, 2016
If the papa own the land originally your friend needs to make sure that he gets a deed of assignment from him papa before he spends anymore kobo on it. If not even him stepmum and other siblings will come after him.

My take is for him to sell and build elsewhere. Especially with the utterances from his dad.. All his dad will give him if anything is the cost of the land which is nothing.

Empiree:
@ Haj Mufu,


Update......

Remember Friend Of Mine I Was Talking About?. He Decided To Go Ahead And Complete Abandoned Upper Floor. He Did Not Want To Wait Until He Goes To Nija. So Builders Are Working On It Last Month Without His Dad's Consent. Some People Found Out And Let His Dad Knows Strangers Are Working On The Project. He went Straight To The Police Station To Report It. He Sent His Younger Wife To Go To My Friend's Mom To Confirm If My Friend Ordered Ongoing Project.

My Friend Was Upset For Having His Step Mom To Question His Mom Over His Project. Someone Called Him To Call His Dad To Stop The Police. So He Did And Let Him Know He's Aware Of Those Working On His Site. His Dad Was Upset And Screamed To The Whole World. Something He Supposed To Keep Secret From Day One. He Never Kept It Secret. He Had Strangers Taking Care Of The House While My Friend's Blood Brothers And Sisters Are Around. He Gave Legal Documents Of The House To Strangers. All These My Friend Found Out.

His Father Is Still Talking And Reporting His Son For Building The House To All Types of People Because He Considered It Insult For Continuing The Project Behind His Back. He Said It Means He Accused Him Of Looting His Hard Earn Money (Which Is True Of-Course). My Friend Already Asked For His Docs 3yrs Ago, He Never Gave It Up. Now He's Trying to Use It Against Him. He Wants To Sell The House. Trying To Change Names On The Docs To His. My Friend Entrusted His Docs With Him Just Bcus He's His Father And He's Stabbing His Son From The Back.

But He Talked To A Lawyer In The Local Govt And Was Told His Dad Wont Be Able To Sell It For Number Of Legal Reasons. Besides, It Is Fraud. But They Advised Him To Fence It ASAP To Keep D!ck Head Out Of His Land. I Dont Understand Why His Father Is Doing This. Some People Now Advising My Friend To Sell The House Bcus Of Too Much Noise. Yes, The Noise His Father Makes Is Damn Too Much. He Is Just Talking Trash About His Son To Anybody Over What. I Dont Condone Selling The House. I Believe He Should Rather Fence It, Get Attorney To Recover His Docs From D!ck Head Old Fool And Put Up Signs Of "Not For Sale" On The House. He Is In The Process Of Doing That Now.

His Father Has His Own Completed Houses In Lagos And Ogun And Vacant Lands In Those States. I Dont Know What More He Wants. Bottom line Is, He Has No Respect For His Children. He Divulged His Children's Personal Affairs With Strangers They Dont Know Of. The Thing Is, My Friend Has Another Land Opposite Current Construction Site And The And Land Is Not Fenced. His Dad Is Threatening To Sell It. He Already Got A Lawyer To Aid His Fraud.He Has Bunch Of Strangers Running Over His House To Check What's Up There. Is This Man Insane Or What.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 10:49am On Apr 14, 2016
@ crisisng, I want to believe this is what you're referring to.

https://www.nairaland.com/1793643/nexthome-project-gallery

A catalog of NextHome projects with costs and expected deliverables can be found on this thread which was opened in 2014.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Empiree: 2:20pm On Apr 14, 2016
gabbytabby:
If the papa own the land originally your friend needs to make sure that he gets a deed of assignment from him papa before he spends anymore kobo on it. If not even him stepmum and other siblings will come after him.

My take is for him to sell and build elsewhere. Especially with the utterances from his dad.. All his dad will give him if anything is the cost of the land which is nothing.

That sucks
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by segcymoor(m): 6:00pm On Apr 14, 2016
URGENT REQUEST! !!!
A client required an average of 700sqm to 1000amsqm for a Joint ventures preferably within agungi and ikota for immediate development.
Please do call:08091110234



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We have 80m to invest wisely!
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by debbyx(m): 6:42pm On Apr 14, 2016
segcymoor:
URGENT REQUEST! !!!
A client required an average of 700sqm to 1000amsqm for a Joint ventures preferably within agungi and ikota for immediate development.
Please do call:08091110234
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We have 80m to invest wisely!
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We have at lakowe phase II
Kindly let's know if your client is interested in that area.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 6:47pm On Apr 14, 2016
debbyx:


We have at lakowe phase II
Kindly let's know if your client is interested in that area.

grin

[s]Lakowe - Awoyaya - Abijo - Mayfair Garden - Sangotedo - LBS - Abraham Adesanya - Thomas Estate - Ajah - Ilaje - VGC -[/s] Ikota - Chevron - Agungi

Oga, Lakowe too far na.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by segcymoor(m): 7:58pm On Apr 14, 2016
grin grin
n3xt:


grin

[s]Lakowe - Awoyaya - Abijo - Mayfair Garden - Sangotedo - LBS - Abraham Adesanya - Thomas Estate - Ajah - Ilaje - VGC -[/s] Ikota - Chevron - Agungi

Oga, Lakowe too far na.

Baburus grin
n3xt:


grin

[s]Lakowe - Awoyaya - Abijo - Mayfair Garden - Sangotedo - LBS - Abraham Adesanya - Thomas Estate - Ajah - Ilaje - VGC -[/s] Ikota - Chevron - Agungi

Oga, Lakowe too far na.

Baburus
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by n3xt(m): 10:32pm On Apr 14, 2016
segcymoor:

Brabus grin

Yes nau! This platform is used majorly by people in diaspora who had no idea of where most locations mentioned by the property agents are. So, to avoid confusion, I think it's fair to let people know the distance between different locations so as not to get into any confusion.

Why will I have a budget of 40m for 1000sqm and the proposal I'm getting is Lakowe? The thing no jell na.
If I choose to deduct N1m for each bus stop between Lakowe and Agungi, nothing go remain for ground.

Again, Lakowe is no alternative for Agungi! For every one plot of land in Agungi/Ikota/Chrevron, there's a 10 plot or more in Lakowe/Abijo/Awoyaya.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by babalose: 10:42pm On Apr 14, 2016
.....tell me. Maybe you guys should paste map of lagos island on this thread so we can all learn with a table of travel distance between location



NOBODY HAS THE MONOPOLY OF WISDOM
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by csiworksnig(f): 12:03am On Apr 15, 2016
Architecture is what we do.. For your house plans contact : 08093577005.

Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Empiree: 12:52am On Apr 15, 2016
mufutau55:
@ Empiree

I feel sorry for those kind of father. Remember I told you some family and that includes mothers and fathers are worse off than other strange people.
A friend has handled a multi-million project supervision for me without missing a kobo, unless what I gave him.
I will never allow family member to handle my project... it ends up turning to disaster later.. especially if you are in diaspora.
I am not surprised at all... imagine your own father... and worse in a polygamist family... Speaking from a life experience.

Hajji M.
Really crazy. What kind of making me uncomfortable is despite knowing baba is guilty folks(brothers, sister, mom) keep telling my friend to be patient and stop building project while surveyor, attny are telling him to fence the place. But none of the family talk to dad cus he doesnt make himself friendly. They put pressure on my friend not to escalate to court.

If they want him to be patient they simply need to talk to dad too to give up docs whether he wants to listen or not. The reason he's upset and doesn't want to give up docs is bcus he's not getting his share of the money anymore. Well, wanna try using power of attorney to get him give up docs. He's fraud
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gabbytabby: 11:28am On Apr 15, 2016
Correct. You fit get 1m plot for Lakowe sef.
n3xt:


Yes nau! This platform is used majorly by people in diaspora who had no idea of where most locations mentioned by the property agents are. So, to avoid confusion, I think it's fair to let people know the distance between different locations so as not to get into any confusion.

Why will I have a budget of 40m for 1000sqm and the proposal I'm getting is Lakowe? The thing no jell na.
If I choose to deduct N1m for each bus stop between Lakowe and Agungi, nothing go remain for ground.

Again, Lakowe is no alternative for Agungi! For every one plot of land in Agungi/Ikota/Chrevron, there's a 10 plot or more in Lakowe/Abijo/Awoyaya.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gabbytabby: 11:30am On Apr 15, 2016
babalose:
.....tell me. Maybe you guys should paste map of lagos island on this thread so we can all learn with a table of travel distance between location



NOBODY HAS THE MONOPOLY OF WISDOM

Google maps is your friend. I was surprised to see my village oh.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gabbytabby: 11:49am On Apr 15, 2016
If your friend na yoruba even if him papa kill him pikin purposefully na so them go say fowowonu.

His father can do no wrong in their eyes. It is these extremities that I say is wrong with the culture. They virtually excuse anything and in so doing create a total lack of accountability and psychopathic tendency.

He can give the peacemakers time if they are capable of seeking peace. He can explore the mediation or gboromiro option and if all fails then he has to decide if he wants to let go and move on or get his just reward through the courts.



Empiree:
Really crazy. What kind of making me uncomfortable is despite knowing baba is guilty folks(brothers, sister, mom) keep telling my friend to be patient and stop building project while surveyor, attny are telling him to fence the place. But none of the family talk to dad cus he doesnt make himself. They put pressure on my friend not to escalate to court.

If they want him to be patient they simply need to talk to dad too to give up docs whether he wants to listen or not. The reason he's upset and doesn't want to give up docs is bcus he's not getting his share of the money anymore. Well, wanna try using power of attorney to get him give up docs. He's fraud

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Chekitaut: 12:08am On Apr 16, 2016
Better days are coming soon, Chiinese(operators of Quarries) around Abeokuta and evirons as no excuses, with the currency deal PMB sign with Chinese authority.

For now
Granite sell @ N2,500/ton
Stonedust @ N700/ton

Call now: 08055545355, 08098055224, 08032887233, 08025392565.

https://www.nairaland.com/1198629/building-made-easy-granite-lead/13
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abdulwastecx(m): 7:42am On Apr 16, 2016
Chekitaut:
Better days are coming soon, Chiinese(operators of Quarries) around Abeokuta and evirons as no excuses, with the currency deal PMB sign with Chinese authority.

For now
Granite sell @ N2,500/ton
Stonedust @ N700/ton

Call now: 08055545355, 08098055224, 08032887233, 08025392565.

https://www.nairaland.com/1198629/building-made-easy-granite-lead/13

My question is why are Nigerians not operating these quary in the face place or we don't have people that can invest in these machines?

Our love for middle man job is so alarming, we technically hate anything that will demand high level of thinking. The last time I was in calabar quary, I saw Chinese everywhere milking us dry
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Chekitaut: 9:23am On Apr 16, 2016
abdulwastecx:


My question is why are Nigerians not operating these quary in the face place or we don't have people that can invest in these machines?

Our love for middle man job is so alarming, we technically hate anything that will demand high level of thinking. The last time I was in calabar quary, I see Chinese everywhere milking us dry
I wonder, our money stolen is taking to foreign country.
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by smiley001(m): 11:09am On Apr 16, 2016
abdulwastecx:


My question is why are Nigerians not operating these quary in the face place or we don't have people that can invest in these machines?

Our love for middle man job is so alarming, we technically hate anything that will demand high level of thinking. The last time I was in calabar quary, I see Chinese everywhere milking us dry



There is corruption with every black man. Quarries run by blacks don't last 6 months, if it lasts longer u queue for 2 days to get 3/4 down, the staff members in every department in black man quarry only think of how to make extra, illegal and side money. And these will surely affect the sustainability of the quarry. If u go to any quarry and see a black man as the scaleman, just know 100% that you would be cheated.

While quarries fully operated by the white skinned last many years. The reason for this, I do not know. I can't say poverty because those white skinned ppl that do d line jobs in the quarries are also poor by their look but they will never compromise unlike the blacks. 90% of those Chinese and Asians you see doing those labour work of the quarries are mostly prisoners. I had interviewed them before so I know what I'm saying.

In all, it's corruption affecting black man to fully and efficiently operate a quarry because up to the director cadre thinks of making money for himsef but not the company.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abdulwastecx(m): 11:53am On Apr 16, 2016
smiley001:



There is corruption with every black man. Quarries run by blacks don't last 6 months, if it lasts longer u queue for 2 days to get 3/4 down, the staff members in every department in black man quarry only think of how to make extra, illegal and side money. And these will surely affect the sustainability of the quarry. If u go to any quarry and see a black man as the scaleman, just know 100% that you would be cheated.

While quarries fully operated by the white skinned last many years. The reason for this, I do not know. I can't say poverty because those white skinned ppl that do d line jobs in the quarries are also poor by their look but they will never compromise unlike the blacks. 90% of those Chinese and Asians you see doing those labour work of the quarries are mostly prisoners. I had interviewed them before so I know what I'm saying.

In all, it's corruption affecting black man to fully and efficiently operate a quarry because up to the director cadre thinks of making money for himsef but not the company.

I may have to disagree with you sir, I don't even consider Chinese to be white, another discussion for another days.

It is not down to corruption sir, it is down to our culture instant money. Operating a qaury is capital intensive and you need to invest all these money that it will take you a lot years to get your investment back hence our people are not ready to wait that long.

You can have a quary fully automated where people pay electronically and the quantity of material bought are measured to customer and this will go in a long way to cut down irregularities

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Xzevian(m): 12:20pm On Apr 16, 2016
Lack of good management is the problem confronting our nigeria bleeps that go into the business. The first modernize quarry we have in Abeokuta even ogun state is AGI but the quarry almost fold up after some years because of our people passion for corruption started frm stealing company diesel and diversion of several millions of naira by their top management which reduce the quarry to almost non-existence, as that one is not enough, nearly all their staff engaged in diabolical means against each other In order to get away with whatever they have did. Even to the extent that ordinary gateman have several thousands if not millions in his bank account, low and behold the first modernize quarry became the shadow of itself. Another one is DLK quarry odeda own by a nigerian but lack of good management/coordination and passion for quick rich of the trusted management quickly that one to oblivion though we still have one own by wale sarander which I can say is not fully on ground The next one is OBA quarry owned by baba obasanjo but later handed over to chinese for lack of accountability by those in charge. The handing over of oba quarry beginning the existence of chinese in quarry business in Ogun state because of the way they turned arround The quarry. This is how they started bring in themselves from china to establish quarry in various axis of Abeokuta successfully without being fold up like our indigenous investor because you hadly see any nigerian in any strategic position that will make them steal their money. The coming in of chinese started easing the stress we supplier encounter because they made everything easy for us including price and better service for those of us that invest with them not like before that we only have two or three quarries like libolb, AGI. The chinese started their dominance from olodo quarry and orile-ilugun CNC quarry when our people started romancing them and telling them hw they have control on price without carrying along those invested with them and promise them their backup in returns to what chinese will offer them. Chinese quickly see this as a big opportunity to gain dominance quickly dance to their tune by offer them freely monthly salary including discount price in returns for their rebellion. The result of all this is what we are witness today as the rest is history and this is why you always see those chinese quarries having one or two nigerian that front for them against their people . In simple term, we are the problem of ourselves ...... alot of Judas among us which has made it almost impossible to have common front. Pardon me for the little errors as all I can remember now is granite grin grin grin

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by gidikay: 12:27pm On Apr 16, 2016
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by abdulwastecx(m): 1:02pm On Apr 16, 2016
Xzevian:
Lack of good management is the problem confronting our nigeria bleeps that go into the business. The first modernize quarry we have in Abeokuta even ogun state is AGI but the quarry almost fold up after some years because of our people passion for corruption started frm stealing company diesel and diversion of several millions of naira by their top management which reduce the quarry to almost non-existence, as that one is not enough, nearly all their staff engaged in diabolical means against each other In order to get away with whatever they have did. Even to the extent that ordinary gateman have several thousands if not millions in his bank account, low and behold the first modernize quarry became the shadow of itself. Another one is DLK quarry odeda own by a nigerian but lack of good management/coordination and passion for quick rich of the trusted management quickly that one to oblivion though we still have one own by wale sarander which I can say is not fully on ground The next one is OBA quarry owned by baba obasanjo but later handed over to chinese for lack of accountability by those in charge. The handing over of oba quarry beginning the existence of chinese in quarry business in Ogun state because of the way they turned arround The quarry. This is how they started bring in themselves from china to establish quarry in various axis of Abeokuta successfully without being fold up like our indigenous investor because you hadly see any nigerian in any strategic position that will make them steal their money. The coming in of chinese started easing the stress we supplier encounter because they made everything easy for us including price and better service for those of us that invest with them not like before that we only have two or three quarries like libolb, AGI. The chinese started their dominance from olodo quarry and orile-ilugun CNC quarry when our people started romancing them and telling them hw they have control on price without carrying along those invested with them and promise them their backup in returns to what chinese will offer them. Chinese quickly see this as a big opportunity to gain dominance quickly dance to their tune by offer them freely monthly salary including discount price in returns for their rebellion. The result of all this is what we are witness today as the rest is history and this is why you always see those chinese quarries having one or two nigerian that front for them against their people . In simple term, we are the problem of ourselves ...... alot of Judas among us which has made it almost impossible to have common front. Pardon me for the little errors as all I can remember now is granite grin grin grin

Very interesting sir...

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Xzevian(m): 1:29pm On Apr 16, 2016
A Chinese has once told me that even if they sell at 1000 per tons they would still make good profit, he told me they make all their investment capital in 1st yr or at worst 1 and half yr. They least the land in which they use and not buying them outrightly
abdulwastecx:


Very interesting sir...
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by smiley001(m): 1:49pm On Apr 16, 2016
abdulwastecx:


I may have to disagree with you sir, I don't even consider Chinese to be white, another discussion for another days.

It is not down to corruption sir, it is down to our culture instant money. Operating a qaury is capital intensive and you need to invest all these money that it will take you a lot years to get your investment back hence our people are not ready to wait that long.

You can have a quary fully automated where people pay electronically and the quantity of material bought are measured to customer and this will go in a long way to cut down irregularities


Bro I didn't mean Chinese white ppl but only used white skinned. I know who white(Caucasian etc) are no need for any discussion with me on this for another day.

There are many quarries which are owned by Nigerians, when I say Nigerians...prominent, popular and rich ones but the chinese manage them and front for them. I can say 1 or 2 that is owned by a Top Senator that has been in the Senate since 1999 up till now.
They are well funded.

Another one, there used to be 2 quarries in the south west owned by 2 Nigerian friends but run by the chinese. When the chinese were in charge, things were smooth but when these 2 friends had quarrel due to political differences, one went to another party. They had to split property and the chinese left... Up till now those 2 quarries work epileptically and even one has closed down permanently.


What you do not know is not all those quarries you see managed by the chinese are owned by them... Few are owned by the Top Nigerians.

Another example is ESPRO Asphalt Production and Quarry Company where I worked when it started operation on ibadan - ife express way wasinmi Ikire, Osun state during Oyinlolas term was brought to Nigeria by the late Ooni of ife Oba Sijuade but everyday activity of the company is run by the Turkish ppl from Turkey and up till tomorrow, the chairman of that company would always be Late Oonis son. This I know because I was a full staff there.


It's corruption that's affecting quarries managed by nigerians... That's all i can say.

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by agarawu23(m): 2:00pm On Apr 16, 2016
Xzevian:
Lack of good management is the problem confronting our nigeria bleeps that go into the business. The first modernize quarry we have in Abeokuta even ogun state is AGI but the quarry almost fold up after some years because of our people passion for corruption started frm stealing company diesel and diversion of several millions of naira by their top management which reduce the quarry to almost non-existence, as that one is not enough, nearly all their staff engaged in diabolical means against each other In order to get away with whatever they have did. Even to the extent that ordinary gateman have several thousands if not millions in his bank account, low and behold the first modernize quarry became the shadow of itself. Another one is DLK quarry odeda own by a nigerian but lack of good management/coordination and passion for quick rich of the trusted management quickly that one to oblivion though we still have one own by wale sarander which I can say is not fully on ground The next one is OBA quarry owned by baba obasanjo but later handed over to chinese for lack of accountability by those in charge. The handing over of oba quarry beginning the existence of chinese in quarry business in Ogun state because of the way they turned arround The quarry. This is how they started bring in themselves from china to establish quarry in various axis of Abeokuta successfully without being fold up like our indigenous investor because you hadly see any nigerian in any strategic position that will make them steal their money. The coming in of chinese started easing the stress we supplier encounter because they made everything easy for us including price and better service for those of us that invest with them not like before that we only have two or three quarries like libolb, AGI. The chinese started their dominance from olodo quarry and orile-ilugun CNC quarry when our people started romancing them and telling them hw they have control on price without carrying along those invested with them and promise them their backup in returns to what chinese will offer them. Chinese quickly see this as a big opportunity to gain dominance quickly dance to their tune by offer them freely monthly salary including discount price in returns for their rebellion. The result of all this is what we are witness today as the rest is history and this is why you always see those chinese quarries having one or two nigerian that front for them against their people . In simple term, we are the problem of ourselves ...... alot of Judas among us which has made it almost impossible to have common front. Pardon me for the little errors as all I can remember now is granite grin grin grin
oga, u have said it all
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Xzevian(m): 2:10pm On Apr 16, 2016
agarawu23:
oga, u have said it all
thanks boss! Na so our pple make us fall hand yakata. slavery in one fatherland is the other of the day. We hope sanity return in no distance time

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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Empiree: 3:53pm On Apr 16, 2016
mufutau55:
@ Emp.iree

I feel sorry for those kind of father. Remember I told you some family and that includes mothers and fathers are worse off than other strange people.
A friend has handled a multi-million project supervision for me without missing a kobo, unless what I gave him.
I will never allow family member to handle my project... it ends up turning to disaster later.. especially if you are in diaspora.
I am not surprised at all... imagine your own father... and worse in a polygamist family... Speaking from a life experience.

Hajji M.
I dont understand people at all. I follow this case very well. The matter is heading to close in favor of my friend. Guess what happened lately, everyone i:e my friend's siblings(older ones) and his mom and step mom now pressuring my fiend to give up the place for papa. Telling him to buy elsewhere. They said "we know papa is wrong what he did but we dont want issue that will break up family over worldly matter". Another brother, the eldest who had dealt with papa on this issue when he bought land from papa but papa took the land from him and resold it to him like 3 times and still he doesnt have the land. Which means papa has record of cheating his loins. But my friend never had that experience with papa. So now eldest brother is telling him to let go the place, that he should never have had anything to do with papa. He said ask him to sell the land and house and you share the money and build yours elsewhere.

This statement coming out from his brother sound very ridiculous. His eldest brothers put him on "conference call". So my friend bullsh!t all of them. He cursed them out saying "nobody wants to talk to papa to calm down and give back docs etc but everyone put pressure on me. So basically, he feels like he had to lose the place he worked for. And he said to his brothers to f!ck off that he would do it the legal way, he doesnt care about family or biological father knowing fully well his father could definitely sell the place base on what he experienced with his brothers. Yes, papa sold their lands and resold it to them like 3x. But none of them had developed theirs. But my friend already developed his and spent millions on it. And asking him to give it up easily like that?. He said Never.

So he connected with Attny 2days ago and ones attny noticed it is his biological father involved, he said let's take it through peaceful way first. If he gives it up... no case. If not then we use power of attny and police. So basically this is what siblings and mom said too (to talk to him but papa never made himself friendly with no one) but none of them talked to papa to peacefully give up. Instead papa is telling my friend that he would deny taking money from him to build anything. Now what do you expect him to do or say when papa said something like that?. Attny even asked if any member of the family talked to papa?.

So now my friend peacefully called papa and to his surprise, papa talked nice that "i dont need your land. It is yours but becus everyone accused me and ganged up on me that's why i threatened to sell it. I dont need your lands. When you ready, ask someone to come for it". So my friend cautiously said Attny will come for it just to be on the safe side in case he changes his mind to be stubborn again.

So now, his brothers thought he would never use attny bcus no one has ever done that to papa. As a result, they got furious why he would do that?. "We told u to calm down and resolve it peacefully but you didnt listen to us. Now it took outsider to tell you same thing which means you disrespect us". Now everyone gangs up on my friend for "disobeying and disrespecting them".

In addition, my friend sent 100k to papa's account to keep him shut and give up the possesion. I am sure papa will not say that to all his "enemies" grin grin grin

What i dont understand is why would they now blame him when, in fact, his eldest brothers had similar problems with papa and still have it. But the reason their is not much of a threat was bcus it was just land. They have not spent a dime on it. They act like they dont understand my friend's frustration struggling abroad and someone threatening to sell his life investment. How else should he react to such threat?. Right now, attny will collect the docs, send it to my friend and case close. Then he should just give it time for everything to calm before continuing the project. What a world.

In a nutshell, his brothers and mom tried to interject religion and culture to subdue my friend which my friend said "i dont give a f!ck about it. This makes them angry and they consider it insult. They dont want to understand the frustration. Yes, he may have gone overboard with language he used talking to them but all these years he was calmed when everyone said papa mismanaged his funds. He defended papa that there is no evidence for the allegation levied against papa. He was never upset. Why now that he busted and everyone turned against him. He did what he had to do and it works well for him. Lobatan

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