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Fashola is a pure elitist politician and i think he derives pleasure from impoverishing the already poor masses.

Well,thank Jah,at least we might not know who to vote for President but we know who not to vote.

modath:
I initially wanted to "die" this debate cos I'm not really a must win every argument "by all means" kinda person.... I had to fall back when I saw you predicating your argument on 18k minimum wage... I cant deal...

No one on 18k can afford a bicycle let alone the engine of a car... I'm not trying to be facetious or making mockery of any body's situation (it's inhumane & ungodly) but using that as a basis to argue against tolls when they don't even own cars to start with & most people don't even get on highways except during festive seasons or special needs to travel home!!!!Nah!!

I repeat, I'd rather pay for tolls and have good roads to ply & shorter travel time than fight a battle that a section of the nation will claim is persecution.... Do we even know how fuel subsidy is being applied or how we had over 600bn subsidy debt in less than 6mths?

Take a random sampling of NURTW & transport coys drivers, (they are the frequent users of highways) their experiences and opinions will better serve as guide..

Peace, out....

MY TAKE
Govt should build brand new roads with whatever partnership they could source and then TOLL IT.I reckon that's the way 4ward not TOLL existing roads or patched up roads.Taxes were paid for those by us and our fathers.

erico2k2:
to your first paragraph < i challenge you to post where I STATED THAT THERE WAS NO TOLL IN THE WESTERN WORLD, if you can't it means you are high on cheap weed if you can it means I am a lazy old bag and higher on cheap weed, Im waiting


CONGESTION charges aren't TOLL
REASON,If I live inside the area,I am exempt up to %90 or near I am exempt up to %90 does that sound like TOLL?
If I hold a valid Blue badge I don't have to pay regardless of waht I drive .Does that sound like TOLL?
IF I am a taxi driver I do not have to pay any money regardless of how many times I drive into the congestion zone.Does that sound like TOLL?
The primary reason the Congestion charge was introduced in LONDON in the year 2003 was to reduce congestion in central London, period not to generate funds to maintain the roads ,[color=#990000][/color].

To the Dartford Crossing, Go and ask if that is in LONDON,

TAXI DO NOT PAY CONGESTION CHARGES
TAXI PAY TOLL CHARGES TO CROSS DARTFORD BRIDGE AND THE M60(Both not in london)
ELECTRIC VEHICLES DO NOT PAY CONGESTION CHARGES BUT PAY TO CROSS DARTFORD BRIDGE
The Congestion areas(Roads) have been around for more than 400 years but the TOLL Roads across the UK where just Built and then tolled, it was never free anyday.
I have copied this from your link
https://tfl.gov.uk/modes/driving/congestion-charge/discounts-and-exemptions?intcmp=2133

Exemptions
You don't have to pay the Congestion Charge or register with us if the vehicle is recorded at the DVLA in one of these categories:

Two-wheeled motorbikes (and sidecars) and mopeds
Emergency service vehicles, such as ambulances and fire engines, which have a taxation class of 'ambulance' or 'fire engine' on the date of travel
NHS vehicles that are exempt from vehicle tax
Vehicles used by disabled people that are exempt from vehicle tax and have a 'disabled' taxation class
Vehicles for more than one disabled person (for example Dial-a-Ride) that are exempt from vehicle tax and have a 'disabled' taxation class
This information will be on your vehicle's V5C (logbook). If you are unsure then please contact us.

Taxi and Private Hire Vehicles

Taxis and Private Hire Vehicles are exempt from paying the Congestion Charge when actively licensed with London Taxi and Private Hire (TPH). The exemption for Private Hire Vehicles only applies when undertaking private hire bookings.

A vehicle will be removed from the register of exempt vehicles on the surrender, expiry or revocation of the license.

Other exemptions

Certain vehicles, including buses, registered in European Economic Area member states, must also be registered with us to qualify for an exemption.

Other categories of exemption include:

HM Coastguard and Port Authorities
Certain operational vehicles used by the London boroughs
The armed forces
Royal Parks Agency
Breakdown organisations

So because licensed taxi cabs are exempt from paying a toll, then it is no longer a toll abi?.... Motorists pay to pass a road but you think this isnt a toll because the reason for collecting this money isnt for the road's maintenance? Wow!

Okay you know what?... I give-in to ur superior argument, you win! London roads are not TOLLED, even though you get to pay a CHARGE of about £11 any day you drive through certain roads (you are only exempt if you are a licensed taxi cab or are a resident of the area close to the chargeable road).

And yeah, sorry for misunderstanding your special use of words. I must have wrongly interpreted your question below to loosely mean "government built roads aren't tolled in western countries"

erico2k2:
name one western country where govt build roads %100 and toll it?

modath:
https://www.chicagoskyway.org/tolls/

https://www.gov.uk/uk-toll-roads

http://goldengate.org/tolls/tollpaymentoptions.php

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_toll_roads_in_the_United_States

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toll_roads_in_Europe



You can help yourself to more since you are intent on arguing & I'm just not interested in pointless debates that won't go anywhere!!

when you are done, check each countries economy base, amount of Taxes the citizens are levied!! & the Laws guiding the conducts of the citizens & adherence to laid down procedures..

As for the minimum wage issue, check the per capita & GDP of each!! Pay is relative to a nations productivity!!!!


*mic drop*.. bye!

I am disappointed in this your blinded support for anything that will add more pains to the suffering of the people, dear don't you think a lot had been voted for the ministries Fashola (the smart rogue) is commandeering? Why not embark on road projects people can see and feel and rejigged the power sector for optimal services (@ least constant 18 hours daily power supply) before bringing in your miserable levies and charges at least I was aware of many tolled expressway in Nigeria yet we know their conditions till date so why is Fashola behaving like a bloody rogue? Does he looked like someone who can deliver with his wrong moves of taxing and taxing going by his antecedents in Lagos. This Country is bleeding and dying yet you folks trust these crafty politicians more than your imams and pastors. I don't share your sentiments on this one....tolled roads in Western Countries are mainly in good conditions as a result of strict and working maintenance culture sustained over the years... So what is Fashola saying. You are smarter than this dear...haba!

erico2k2:
Bro don't mind some busybodies here who have never buy ticket once in thier full life trying to act as if they know how, can U imagine He saying almost all roads in london are tolled when not one single road is tolled in London, not even tower bridge, Y should we pay tolls when we already pay road tax to maintain the roads I am waiting for him to name the rd in London that has tolls.This is how people just accept everything thrown at them without asking questions, why should govt toll the bridge?of what purpose would our taxes be paid for then?I once argued that the subsidy should not be removed as that's the only payment govt do that helps the common man rather they should fight the corruption within the subsidy payment and volume of supply.

You are a reasonable human being God bless you continually.... That Fashola is a smart rogue.

obailala:
So because licensed taxi cabs are exempt from paying a toll, then it is no longer a toll abi?.... Motorists pay to pass a road but you think this isnt a toll because the reason for collecting this money isnt for the road's maintenance? Wow!

Okay you know what?... I give-in to ur superior argument, you win! London roads are not TOLLED, even though you get to pay a CHARGE of about £11 any day you drive through certain roads (you are only exempt if you are a licensed taxi cab or are a resident of the area close to the chargeable road).

And yeah, sorry for misunderstanding your special use of words. I must have wrongly interpreted your question below to loosely mean "government built roads aren't tolled in western countries"

Well fair enough, but I still insist London roads are never tolled, if they were the citizens will protest and Biz will collapse.Who can afford it?
If you check the roads tolled in the west are built in full then tolled.ie teh M60.
The only level people pay on road is road tax and that's that
take a cab to OXford street cab don't pay, drive yourself to oxford street during the week, you pay.Also if your car is registered as mini cab ie you do cabbing at the weekend then you can use your car to enter the zone during the week no charge, this is what clever guys are doing to beat the system.They register their 20016 benz as taxi .But if it was tolled, you will pay regardless.
on the other hand the M48 is only tolled one way,you pay £6 plus to go in and its free to come back, thats Wales.
I am no claiming any superiority here, I'm just trying to enlighten us the need for govt to do the right thing, not to take us for a ride,yes we do need to pay for good roads and stuff but the govt must have genuine interest to provide good roads and street furnitures for our highways.

Ratello:
You are a reasonable human being God bless you continually.... That Fashola is a smart rogue.

Thank you very much,We need to always ask strong questions when govt try to force through certain policies.let Fash build his own highway with complete street furnitures then Toll it,WE WILL PAY.

erico2k2:
Thank you very much,We need to always ask strong questions when govt try to force through certain policies.let Fash build his own highway with complete street furnitures then Toll it,WE WILL PAY.

Simple as ABC my brother, I can wager going by the brilliant contributions of folks like you here that dude called Fashola has no business being a minister let alone a Governor at least going by his "reversed kleptomanic robbing the poor to pay the rich" antics he used in governing Lagos. My brother, a visit to that Lagos will tell you everything about the stealing nature of the over-hyped Fashola. Tell me what is working in the power sector? Yet this same socio-vampire has increased the electricity tariff.....and now he is planning to toll our roads then you are forced to ask, what happened to "road tax" introduced by Obj. Love your contributions bro

Ratello:
Simple as ABC my brother, I can wager going by the brilliant contributions of folks like you here that dude called Fashola has no business being a minister let alone a Governor at least going by his "reversed kleptomanic robbing the poor to pay the rich" antics he used in governing Lagos. My brother, a visit to that Lagos will tell you everything about the stealing nature of the over-hyped Fashola. Tell me what is working in the power sector? Yet this same socio-vampire has increased the electricity tariff.....and now he is planning to toll our roads then you are forced to ask, what happened to "road tax" introduced by Obj. Love your contributions bro

Mehn that electricity tariff hike was just daylight robbery,I don't know how people just accept it,they should have left it as typical Pay as you go no light no pay.

erico2k2:
Mehn that electricity tariff hike was just daylight robbery,I don't know how people just accept it,they should have left it as typical Pay as you go no light no pay.

My dear brother this is one reason I have no single likeness for those youths who see APC has their saving party when in actual fact all politicians are the same in Nigeria. Trust me, Fashola is gradually digging his political grave, its a question of time.

Ratello:
My dear brother this is one reason I have no single likeness for those youths who see APC has their saving party when in actual fact all politicians are the same in Nigeria. Trust me, Fashola is gradually digging his political grave, its a question of time.

I use to hold him in high esteem but I think he has joined them,the groups who watch out for their corporate friends only.He should channel all of his Energy into making Nigeria Energy efficient,The last FG built loads of power station,I think this FG should concentrate in making them work and build at least 2 more B4 the leave govt.

We support Toilgate Revenue for FG.

These politicians know no mercy. Nigerian masses are suffering as a result of their economic woes, and they still have the audacity to cause more and more hardship for the people. Thank your God that you're ruling fools. They don't pay toll fare in DUBAI and they're far better than Nigeria with economic opportunities.

Why can't you only toll new roads

Do I have a problem with lekki link bridge being tolled Not really, cus its a new road/bridge.

Do I have a problem with Lekki-Ekpe being tolled Helz yeah!!! Tolling a road that was already in existence is a fraud. People were already living there for goodness sake meen, now they have to pay 240 everyday.

What alternative is there to Lekki Eppe New market road Fvck outa here!!! How do you expect rush hour traffic to use one lane That's right, just one freaking lane.

Fashola, you are a big fraud meen. I just hope ambode does a lot more to show how big a fraud you were. At least he has painted Lagos police cars, a sign of common sense.