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I watch part of the video, she may not be correct in a history, because she link the igbos with lake chad. She claim some bones was discovered around lake chad,which is the same as the igbo story that the igbos were the first people.

I do not see a connection between Igbo and lake chad from the story. the video is online. look for it.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/video/item/harlem-book-fair-catherine-acholonu/

http://www.c-spanarchives.org/program/287796-2

Hi, people,
Just trying to answer some of your questions. First you know its hard to paraphrase a book of 500 pages and a research of 18 years in 30 minutes of TV talk. I wish you would get the book so you'll understand us the better. We have done two major books on this subject. The first, [i]The Gram Code of African Adam, was also a book of over 500 pages. Together both books make over 1000 pages. In the first book, which we wrote after working on the Ikom stone inscritions of Cross River State four four years, we concluded that the Garden of Eden included a large part of Nigeria, and we could say for certain that Eve lived in Cross River State for a while. In the most recent book we are saying that Adam was taken from eastern region of Nigeria to the Middle East. He was among the First people who lived in West Africa. These first People spoke a language that has survived in many continents of the world to this day, probably through Adam's children. That language is still spoken by the Kwa group of Niger-Congo Languages - Yoruba, Benin, Ashanti, etc -, but most especially by the Igbo arm of that language family. The Igbo of today are the people who have preserved to a large extent, the original language spoken by the First People. Their name 'Igbo' means 'Forest Dwellers' in Yoruba, and 'Most Ancient' (Gboo) in Igbo, and their ancient traditions say much about these First Humans. That is why we have used them as a case study of the First Humans who lived in West Africa - the Ancestors of Adam - who populated all of Africa and migrated from here to populate the rest of the world.

are you Catherine Acholonu?


if you are i need to ask you question.

Yes, I am Catherine Acholonu. Ask your question, please.

Im sorry, but it seems The Igbos suffer from Delusions of Grandeur.

Lady, I don't think this statement is for my consumption? Or is it? Let's try and find out the best in all of us and be our brother's and sister's keeper. Demonizing hasnt helped us any. For all I know, research is proving that we are ONE PEOPLE afterall.

No one is demonizing.

We are one, so why cant it rest at that.

Things like this, widen the divide.

Gamine:
No one is demonizing.

We are one, so why cant it rest at that.

Things like this, widen the divide.

Funny coming from you.

The connection with the Lake Chad story is this: A French Paleontologist team led by Prof. Michel Brunet found out recently that the ancestors of Homo Erectus lived in the Nigeria Chad Basin by 7million B.C. Archeologists discovered Homo Erectus in Igbo land dating to 1 million B.C. The connection is that it is the same people sojourning within the same Niger-Congo geographical area. Since the 7m year dating is the oldest ever discovered, older than the dating of similar finds in East Africa by over 4 million years, what this tells us is that the East Africa hypothesis of the origin of man no longer holds water. West Africa, the Nigeria/Chad area is the origin of mankind until any one proves the contrary. The Chad/Nig find also tells us that the Igbo Early Men were not migrants from East Africa, but rather NATIVES, and that they are PRODUCTS OF EVOLUTION. THEY EVOLVED FROM THEIR 7 MILLION YEAR ANCESTORS!

Thanks, Gamine. God Bless us all.

Amen.

In continuation, we can all see that this story is really not about the Igbo as an ethnic group alone. It's about West African Blacks, and all blacks. But in every research you must have a case study. You must give data. You can't be making wild claims. Those two discoveries cited above (that of the paleontologist and the Archaeologist) were key to our claim that we can say for sure that the first people to be called Homo (Man), were West Africans - the ancestors of the people who today go by the name Nigerians!

@Prof. Acholonu
Please could you comment on the Ugwue[b]m[/b]e vs. Ugwe[b]l[/b]e issue I brought up earlier. Thanks

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u know u are finshed!!!

yoruba this;yoruba that

remember kwa people from oduduwa i was referrin to

u are finished!!

u see it taking u ages to come up with a question

guess what; she is still waitin oo!!

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even that satellite dish near your toilet door cant even help out;

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Gamine:
Im sorry, but it seems [size=14pt]The Igbos suffer from Delusions of Grandeur[/size].

ding, ding, ding, ding, ding!!!! round two!!!

Gamine:
Im sorry, but it seems The Igbos suffer from Delusions of Grandeur.

I dont think so.

@Dr. Acholonu,

Evolution runs contrary to the doctrines of the Holy Bible that God created Man in His Image. Evolution states that humans evolved from, (what is it again, animals?) Incredible!

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if na one, i think na u

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Ndipe:
@Dr. Acholonu,

Evolution runs contrary to the doctrines of the Holy Bible that God created Man in His Image. Evolution states that humans evolved from, (what is it again, animals?) Incredible!

In as much as i am a christian,i know the bible was compiled by Romans and other Europeans.Each of the books were discovered at different points in time.There could therefore be normal human errors in translations and multi-translations.

So you are saying its possible the Igbo's evolved from the monkeys.

Thought as much.

Gamine:
So you are saying its possible the Igbo's evolved from the monkeys.

Thought as much.

Thanks for bringing this academic discussion down to your level.
If Igbos evolved from monkeys, where did Hausas like you evolve from? Skunks?

Why do you bother yourself with someone who once opened a thread that she hates igbos?^^^

Gamine:
So you are saying its possible the Igbo's evolved from the monkeys.

Thought as much.

That was funny.

To be honest prof Acholonu, you didn't have to use Adam as a subject because you are dealing with science here and science doesn't buy too much into the creationist's story if at all they bought into it a bit. However, about Africans having writing system B.C.E, that has been discovered earlier on but not something discovery channel will show. There was a cult in what is now Cross Rivers state that uses written codes to communicate with members. Good work though and more grease to your elbow. When you are done let us know what your conclusion is.


I'm tired of hearing about Aristotle this and that in Philosophy classes when the truth is right there in Timbuktu and Egypt. Yes it's a fact that Greek philosophers were only teaching what they learned and elaborating and that the Africans already laid the grand work and foundations of philosophy.
Whoever said ancient Egypt (Kemet) wasn't a black empire is really sleeping cause it's there in the name the Greeks gave it. Also, when Alexandra came to Egypt, what was the first letter he wrote to his mom? He said mother, I have found where the Gods began their journey! Na we open their eyes!!!!!!!

To be honest prof Acholonu, you didn't have to use Adam as a subject because you are dealing with science here and science doesn't buy too much into the creationist's story if at all they bought into it a bit. However, about Africans having writing system B.C.E, that has been discovered earlier on but not something discovery channel will show. There was a cult in what is now Cross Rivers state that uses written codes to communicate with members. Good work though and more grease to your elbow. When you are done let us know what your conclusion is.

But its quite possible, evolution occurred before the documentation in the bible <still trying to see where the two meet>

I'm tired of hearing about Aristotle this and that in Philosophy classes when the truth is right there in Timbuktu and Egypt. Yes it's a fact that Greek philosophers were only teaching what they learned and elaborating and that the Africans already laid the grand work and foundations of philosophy.
Whoever said ancient Egypt (Kemet) wasn't a black empire is really sleeping cause it's there in the name the Greeks gave it. Also, when Alexandra came to Egypt, what was the first letter he wrote to his mom? He said mother, I have found where the Gods began their journey! Na we open their eyes!!!!!!!

So it was the Greeks who gave them the name 'Kemet' i knew the Egyptians of old couldnt have been that shallow to call themselves that, and i believe 'Kemet' to have meant dark skinned, 'black' could also mean pale or a myriad of shades??, i think, which doesnt totally translate to the 'African' of today. if i have met someone a shade darker than i, i will call them dark skinned too.

All in all, its great to learn everyday, the discoveries are exciting.

9jaganja:
That was funny.

To be honest prof Acholonu, you didn't have to use Adam as a subject because you are dealing with science here and science doesn't buy too much into the creationist's story if at all they bought into it a bit. However, about Africans having writing system B.C.E, that has been discovered earlier on but not something discovery channel will show. There was a cult in what is now Cross Rivers state that uses written codes to communicate with members. Good work though and more grease to your elbow. When you are done let us know what your conclusion is.

I have a question for you. Is the claim made above VERIFIABLE?  I mean you can sit believing that Discovery Channel( a TV station, by the way) is the alpha and omega of all things history in your world, but in the real world, people like to have some solid evidence to support such claims as that above before choosing to believe or not to.

9jaganja:
I'm tired of hearing about Aristotle this and that in Philosophy classes when the truth is right there in Timbuktu and Egypt. Yes it's a fact that Greek philosophers were only teaching what they learned and elaborating and that the Africans already laid the grand work and foundations of philosophy.
Whoever said ancient Egypt (Kemet) wasn't a black empire is really sleeping cause it's there in the name the Greeks gave it. Also, when Alexandra came to Egypt, what was the first letter he wrote to his mom? He said mother, I have found where the Gods began their journey! Na we open their eyes!!!!!!!

Now, about the Egyptians, is it possible you folks will try making up your minds on which story to go with? The one claims the Egyptians called their own nation “THE BLACK NATION”, but here we have another telling us the Greeks are to blame for that name. I am sorry, but that ain’t possible either considering the GREEKS came long after the ANCIENT EGYPTIANS were recorded to have been.

All of the world started in Africa could only translate to mean, it is likely most all of Africa was negroid at some time in history but that is not to say there were no folks then with varying levels of skin pigmentation.

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Dude Egypt wasn't the name it was called during the early dynasties. Just like there was nothing like Nigeria before colonization each part of Nigeria had a name they identified themselves with. Egypt was called Kemet. Get that better now? What I meant by discovery channel won't show such is that most western history channels won't show such things. I'm not here to argue with you on a subject I'm studying in Columbia university cause you ain't my lecturer sorry.

9jaganja:
Dude Egypt wasn't the name it was called during the early dynasties. Just like there was nothing like Nigeria before colonization each part of Nigeria had a name they identified themselves with. Egypt was called Kemet. Get that better now? What I meant by discovery channel won't show such is that most western history channels won't show such things. I'm not here to argue with you on a subject I'm studying in Columbia university cause you ain't my lecturer sorry.

You are going to get off that easy, pal!! EVERY TOM, DICK AND HARRY ON THE PLANET knows EGYPT was not always EGYPT. That is NOT The question or issue here. Neither is the issue the name it used to be called long before we came to know it as Egypt. The question is what was/were the names and its/there origin(s)?

You claimed the name “Kemet” means “BLACK NATION” and was given the nation by the Greeks. Recorded knowledge of the Greeks dates back to about 1500BC, while that of Ancient Egypt, which you claim was known as “Kemet”, dates back to about 3000BC. Do you not see the conflict there?

Some other person claimed that the name “KEMET” was coined by the Egyptians themselves and was adopted because of their East African roots( Beats me why a nation would, knowing it is not the only black nation in the region, would decide to call itself “Black Nation”). Yet, there are other sources that point to the word KEMET actually meaning “BLACK SOIL” after the soil found in the nile area in Egypt.

Regardless of where you are studying at, don’t think folks out there are dumbos who will accept your word/claims without question.

Dude, you are twisting my words for you to get a point? That's low really low. The fact I said the Greeks called it Egypt doesn't refute the fact that the natives called it Kemet. I meant the Greeks Called it Egypt which comes from the Greek word Aigyptos which means Black. I said anyone who doesn't believe Egypt was a black kingdom is really sleeping cause it's there in the name the Greeks gave it. Simple comprehension is all it requires not an argument. Why would the Greeks call it Black nation if it was a Greek or Roman empire? Every possible name that could be given to Egypt during the early dynasties points to black people. The people called the land kemet and themselves Kam-Au which means black people or black God people in their language. It's not the only Black nation in Africa but they called it what they liked. Just like USA citizens calling themselves Americans and others  Canadians, Mexicans etc when they are not the only people in America. What other point do you want to twist?


Even Herodotus who was Europe's first historian said Egyptians have burnt skin, tick lips and broad nose. At least let us give it to Herodotus that he can see clearly.

9jaganja:
Dude, you are twisting my words for you to get a point? That's low really low. The fact I said the Greeks called it Egypt doesn't refute the fact that the natives called it Kemet. I meant the Greeks Called it Egypt which comes from the Greek word Aigyptos which means Black.

OK. If you are now saying that you never said the greeks gave them the name "Kemet", then I apologize for assuming, when you posted the words "the greeks gave them" to mean the name came from the greeks.

9jaganja:
I said anyone who doesn't believe Egypt was a black kingdom is really sleeping cause it's there in the name the Greeks gave it.

The name does not necessarily imply that the country was a nation of black PEOPLE. You can make that assumption but to post it as fact, one would have to provide something more than a name in that case.

The Names the Egyptians used to designate their country seem to have originated with their agricultural prosperity and especially with fertile black (ar) silt which the Nile River washed into the valley during its annual flood and which was the key to this prosperity. Ar, the black topsoil of the valley, could have let to the oldest known name of the region __ kem or Kemet, the black land. The Egyptians were the remet-en-kemet, the people of Egypt.

from

Egypt, trunk of the tree: a modern survey of an ancient land By Simson R. Najovits

9jaganja:
Simple comprehension is all it requires not an argument. Why would the Greeks call it Black nation if it was a Greek or Roman empire?

I am sorry but the above does not make any sense at all.  Now you are alluding that some believed it was a greek or roman empire? Would that be you?  Actually, saying that the name "Black Nation" for the ancient Egyptians, came from the greeks or the romans would make more sense considering, but to say Egypt called itself "The black Nation", for the skin color of it's people sounds more ludicrous. It is like saying the reason why Niger is called Niger today is because the people who live there are NIGGERS(Black people). Makes absolutely no sense at all. However, we know that that it is likely the country's name comes from the fact that it is in the Niger area. Hence the name.

Now if you apply the above to the Egypt situation, you will see how stating that Ancient Egypt was a black name because the word BLACK appears in the name of the country does not make sense.

9jaganja:
Every possible name that could be given to Egypt during the early dynasties points to black people. The people called
the land kemet and themselves Kam-Au which means black people or black God people in their language. It's not the only Black nation in Africa but they called it what they liked. Just like USA citizens calling themselves Americans and others  Canadians, Mexicans etc when they are not the only people in America. What other point do you want to twist?

I disagree. Nothing about the names POINT TO BLACK PEOPLE. We know that there is the use of the word BLACK somewhere in the name but no solid backing for the claim that it is
in reference to the PEOPLE living in the region.

Kobojunkie:
( Beats me why a nation would, knowing it is not the only black nation in the region, would decide to call itself “Black Nation”).

There are a lot of countries in Southern Africa yet there's still a Country there that has dared to commandeer that name for itself! So, my good man Kobo, your arguement leaves a lot of room for arguement!

I am not taking sides or anything, but in those days, the whole concept of nationhood, national boundaries etc was totally different from what it has evolved into today. Let's not forget that nationhood and the whole race palaver is a socio-political creation and is as fliud as the water in my cup! So given that at different times in history we have been called black by all sorts of people; Sudan (black people by the Arabs), Ethiopia (people of burnt appearance by the Greeks) etc? who is to say that 'Kemet' (the Egyptian for the Spanish 'Negro') or whatever was the politically correct term for 'black people' in those days, did not encompass the whole of what was later to become Africa?

Who is to say that in those days, given that being black was not necessarily as leprous as it has become today, the proud black Egyptians did not decide to commandeer the label 'Kemet' for themselves as a badge of honour and a testament to their power, even if there where other primitive 'black' tribes peering at them from the jungles beyond the southern borders of the Nile, waiting to be sold into slavery ehn?

We don't know, do we?