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Pyrrho:
Can you just humour me please?

I read your post and it didn't make sense.

I'm trying to get simpler explanations, can you do that?

How did you get to know that we do not understand God?

i'm sure i gave up to 5different scripture verses that say and show that. Disappoint me by reading them again until you understand.

Image123:
i'm sure i gave up to 5different scripture verses that say and show that. Disappoint me by reading them again until you understand.

I don't trust the source of the scriptures.

Why should I take it as true?

Pyrrho:
I don't trust the source of the scriptures.

Why should I take it as true?

Lol, you must be joking. The scriptures are what tell us about God and help us understand God more. You'd need to read it and understand it or you simply have no business trying to understand God in the context of this thread.

Image123, Atheists do not believe in god let alone take the bible as His word. That is the basis for everything and since you haven't provided any evidence (for your god) that we all can appreciate, where do you think you're heading with your arguments?

Image123:
Lol, you must be joking. The scriptures are what tell us about God and help us understand God more. You'd need to read it and understand it or you simply have no business trying to understand God in the context of this thread.

Believe me, I've read several scriptures, the Bible God is the worse of all.

I hope you don't believe the Bible spells out facts about a God.

Pyrrho:
Believe me, I've read several scriptures, the Bible God is the worse of all.

I hope you don't believe the Bible spells out facts about a God.

You have no choice. If you want to understand the "Bible God" and His actions, you have to read and understand the Bible. If we throw out the Bible, what then are we discussing? Don't waste your time.

Julianyao:
Image123, Atheists do not believe in god let alone take the bible as His word. That is the basis for everything and since you haven't provided any evidence (for your god) that we all can appreciate, where do you think you're heading with your arguments?

Oh really? Why then are they on a thread talking about God? Don't you have something else to do with your life than back and forth all day about who you do not believe? i'm not here to provide any evidence for your appreciation, wetin concern me with your appreciation? The thread title and OP clearly talks about divine healing, not about providing evidence of God that we all can appreciate.

Image123:
You have no choice. If you want to understand the "Bible God" and His actions, you have to read and understand the Bible. If we throw out the Bible, what then are we discussing? Don't waste your time.

What part of the Bible description of God should we take as valid?

All or some?

Image123:
In other words, healing is like trial and error in a sense. God is not healing, and healing is not God. And it is a very good trial and error, given the results achieved through time and the many testimonies that continue to abound. Divine healing and going to the hospital are not mutually exclusive, they are symbiotic if i may so say. You can get medical help and still pray. This position that christians should not(cannot or must not) seek medical help is unfounded, yet many atheists think this way.

Healing is like trial and error for your so called almighty powerful God. Even after all the promises. This exactly why I know he is not real.
What result has been achieved over time? All these make believe stories that could happen to anybody from any religion whether they pray or not. Even our forefathers who used to ignorantly believe in stone experienced some sort of healing.
Face it man , it's not about your God, that's just the mystery of life... don't just call what u don't understand Yahweh. It's another word for i don't understand,but u and not comfortable with that are u? So let God replace ur ignorance.
If your God cannot stand out then you have no business trying to do his work for him.

Good to see feedback that i am making some things clear. It is not a sad thing, it is there in the Bible both in words and in scriptural experience. We cannot fully understand God. We lack the capacity. It is never hopeless though, we can still understand Him to some extent. Your trained pet dog cannot fully understand you, but it still knows and understands you better than other dogs. See the Bible passages clearly below.

Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever. Amen.
Eph 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
Col 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

There is no guarantee OF HEALING in absolutely depending on God, but there is a good chance depending on a combination of factors on our part. There is no guarantee of healing in medical science too, people die EVERY DAY in hospitals. We don't however say that because there is no guarantee, all healing is fake or nonexistent. And of course, that does not in anyway deny the existence of God. i'll have to quote the scriptures especially to help christian readers who may think otherwise, and for those who think i am making up excuses. i have shown four clear and personal testimonies of divine healing. It is not a case of, oh God does not work, lemme make up an excuse for why. It is a case of study, experience and a combination of other factors.

Mar 9:28 And when he was come into the house, his disciples asked him privately, Why could not we cast him out?
The passage in reference here, there was healing by Jesus, fine. But His disciples could not heal the person despite depending on God and praying/asking God.

1Ti 5:23 Drink no longer water, but use a little wine for thy stomach's sake and thine often infirmities.
Timothy was a believer, and so was Paul the APOSTLE. Paul had prayed for Timothy in faith, depended on God etc. Yet Timothy had OFTEN infirmities. he was advised of Paul to use a little wine as a sort of medicine for his health. Do we conclude that all Paul's previous healings were fake, or he was deluded, or it has expired? Certainly not. Those who understand the ways of God know better.

2Ti 4:20 Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.
Paul the apostle has raised the dead and sent out handkerchiefs healing the sick, and wrought special miracles. but he had to leave Trophimus at Miletum sick. this is in the Bible, before you were born. It is nothing really new. Sometimes, things do not simply go the way we want/plan. It is only childish to throw tantrums or disbelief God, especially after all one has experienced before and still experience after. i hope you clearly and biblically see my point now? i do not make it up, it is there in every Bible for those who care to read. The hospital is ALWAYS an alternative, no one hindered you from going to the hospital. you can go to the hospital without losing faith in God. i have, and those four testimonies above clearly show that divine healing can be obtained even when we go to the hospital.

There is no guarantee... we also cannot stop being humans if he insists that he must be God. It's funny how u belittle your God. You seem to put him in the same box u put humans but u don't know that's hat u are doing.
A man needs God to heal his sick and dying wife, however this God has other plans and time frame to act. As a result the man's wife dies...God expects man to understand and maintain his peace, despite strictly maintaining his own stance even after knowing man does not really understand him.
I think your God is a joke.

God created and understands us better than we can ever do. Jesus Christ had a friend in the Bible called Lazarus. He was sick, at least you would think that God's friend should not be sick. yeah right. Lazarus was sick, Jesus knew, He was even sent for, yet the man died sick. There is the Sovereign mysterious factor. However, this factor is real and seen in the Scripture. It is not a new shocking discovery that should daunt our faith.
The same person can have a sickness different times, and have healing in different ways. Healing is not an exact science, that however does not make it unreal or God unreal. The same believer can pray for someone today and he/she is healed, can pray for another person for the same sickness same day, and no healing. It is not necessarily repeatable. It does not mean that the other healing did not happen, or the person was lucky. Well, i like that kind of luck, and will rather have it a thousand times over atheism. A kind of luck that takes away sickle cell, leprosy, athritis, HIV, madness, shorter legs, blindness, cataract, etc, that kind of luck is good luck and should be encouraged. These are things prayer does, prayer still changes the night to day as it were.
God can part the sea using a rod of moses, or a garment of Elijah, or nothing from Joshua. He is not limited. Healing can come through God directly, or through water, or fruits, or medicine. God has made it that accessible. Aren't you glad that God does not monopolise healing to only crusade ground? The Pharisees felt there should be no healing on sabbath days. You seem to feel that for God to exist, there should be only one path of healing. Why do you have such an idea?

Lol... trust me, if God understands us like u say, he wouldn't even have destroyed earth with water, nor would he have really gotten mad at Adam or eve and there wouldn't be any need for hell. He simply want to act like God, which is far far above our understanding but wants us mere mortals, to understand him when he does things the way he likes despite knowing we are not capable of understanding him. This is just a huge joke. You talk of healing like it's common... I have never seen one all my years in the church. I say it's all scam. No God heals anyone.

People see what they choose to see really. All i have said are in the Bible, not personal knowledge alone. It would help you to understand God better, instead of the lazy throwing in of the towel that is the common stance. Does of God who know God know that He is a Healer and we have experienced His healing. We also know that He doesn't heal every time. Life is not exactitude and we are not in utopia. God did not promise utopia either. He said in the world, we will have tribulations. His apostles were in hungers often, in peril of robbers, in weariness and painfulness, cold and unclothedness. yet this were the biggest believers seemingly. They never doubted the existence of God, they also experienced the miraculous.
Your hunger does not come exactly the same way, neither does your anger. Does this mean that your anger is not real? Where do you get the idea that God must be robotic to exist? Even your pain and joy have varying degrees even when subjected to the same conditions. They are not science, where if you mix hydrogen and chloride, you must get a particular solution etc. A thought that brings you strong laughter today, may not bring the same thing tomorrow, or even to another person. That is the reality of life.

Ya God is a healer whose healing powers are not guaranteed because we can't understand him but he made so many unguaranteed promises in the Bible and we must hold unto it even when it's not guaranteed.
Good luck believing in a sky daddy who dosent seem to know what he wants.
I just think ur God thrives on evil... without out man's suffering, he wouldn't really be God.
NB: I really don't take u serious... if God understands me like u said... he should know I consider u a mere mortal like me and can only see all u said as the words of a mortal...the deity u defend is just in ur head, hence you blowing hot and cold at the same time.
God cannot maintain being God and expects mere mortals to hold unto him when things go wrong despite knowing we don't and can't understand his ways. That's u reasonable.

Image123:
Oh really? Why then are they on a thread talking about God? Don't you have something else to do with your life than back and forth all day about who you do not believe? i'm not here to provide any evidence for your appreciation, wetin concern me with your appreciation? The thread title and OP clearly talks about divine healing, not about providing evidence of God that we all can appreciate.

Is Nairaland religious section for only those who have nothing to do with their life? Are u here trying to prove your God is real because u have nothing better to do with ur life?

Seriously I expect u to be far above the lame quote above... well, I am not surprised. after all you believe in a sky daddy whom, u, the believer needs to explain to others but the sky daddy never shows up.
Smh for a God who is unknowable but relies on same mortals who don't really know him to explain him to other mortals. He is a joke.

AnalyticEngine:
I used to be a strong christian. I have even preached in church, led bible study, gone for evangelism and led prayer meetings etc. on several occasions. I can confidently say I was more than an average christian...but then certain things just did not add up. The only answer to those troubling questions is that religion is a complete hoax

Let me understand you please. So did you stop being a Christian, not minding a soft one?

Pyrrho:
Image123

You guys should please stop all these long epistles you write to gain sympathizers for your belief.

Afterall the Bible says, "how would they believe without signs"?

Prove yourself to yourself first. Stop all the mere saying.

In case you haven't noticed, the Bible days are gone or never truly happened. It is just a matter of time before you begin to accept this fact.

It is a bitter pill to swallow. Nothing of the Bible era is working right now. It is instructed that sick people should go to the elders of the church to get healing. Can you try that and not look like a fool?

Look around you. Do you know what is expected of the church and christians?
Have you, in fact, done anything extraordinary?

Your faith ends the day you really start being true to yourself.

You know the evil about humans and mostly people like you, if you see this same sign you will call it juju or voodoo.

I am very very sure you are one of the people calling for the removal of pastor chris' atmosphere for miracles from our local Tv.

I am not a member of his church, so I'm not canvassing for him but my point is that you have seen more than enough miracles even on TV and I do not care whether it's false or not: the point here is that you have seen it and why didn't u believe?

People like you who have their mind made up will never believe and you are asking those Christians here to prove their faith with a sign. But how naa? Online? Are u seeing them? If dem appear for ur house u nor go say Na another thing? Stop saying silly things and apply a little sense even though common sense is not common.

Abi u want dem to set NL ablaze before you belief?
OK if for instance they set it ablaze, fools like you will say the computer server crashed. You will take the fault electronically. So why should they prove anything? Go to revival grounds and see for urself and stop deceiving yourself.

You might say calling you a fool is tantamount to insult but it is not. A fool is someone who does or says foolish things and it is more OE less describing someone's actions. Even Christians can put themselves in the place of a fool, pending on our actions. Much said, you made foolish points so I called you a fool because the bible says a fool said in his heart that there is no God.

There is this young man in my office and any time we decided to say Team prayer in the beginning of the month when we usually have our team meeting, he always complains that it is too long or at times that we shouldn't sing before praying.

This is one of the ja rule (care free guys) in our team and his parents are said to be elders in church. I always baffled until one day I said whenever we are to pray, u always complain but I pray that you do not see a problem that will make u pray your eyes out. You will call on that same God and you will sweat to see His face.

I'm not mocking the guy o, but as we speak he is facing the sack this week and on top of that his wife is pregnant and she has been calling her husband's colleagues to find out what is going on at work because the guy has dropped but he is hiding it from his wife because of her condition.

Shey God nor dey abi? I say it here today that you will seek this God when the time comes.


I'm not ignorant ooo! I'm now on this thread and I have ur time plenty. We will talk and I will prove ur foolishness. Let's start!

So there is this all powerful, almighty God that can do all things who exist but is solely relying on image123 to explain it's mysterious ways to others in a convoluted , lame and ridiculous way. The bible is very clear on how prayers are supposed to work. Jesus promised his followers answered prayers many many times. He even stated that these are signs that will follow those who believe in him. Are there any signs following any christian today? Are christians living better, experiencing less harm or havoc compared to non christians in the world today? Are christians having it any easier than others? The answers is NO. Despite their claims of my father in heaven will guide me, help me , protect me and do things for me. No evidence to show that christians are better protected or helped more than non christians at all. We are all just groping in the dark and struggling on our own. As someone said the words of the bible have expired in the real world. Miracles are just make belief and illusions. Clear cut miracles do not exist. If they do we will not be having this conversation. If christianity is true you image123 will be going about healing amputees because Jesus PROMISED you that. He said as he is going back to heaven those of you that believe in him will do GREATER things than him. We were told in stories that he walked on water and was a great miracle worker that also healed amputees. If these stories are true then you should be doing what he promised you. These are just mythological stories. Do you believe that Prophet Mohammed divided the moon into two halves? Why or why not? You believe the Jesus stories and refuse to believe the Mohammed one simply because you were born into and indoctrinated with the Jesus stories over the Mohammed stories. If you were born in India you would have been a Hindu and believe in very different stores that talk and explain Indian myths, miracles and legands The fact is these stories are simply false and they worry you so much that is why you came up with a thread to try to explain them away by saying God works in mysterious ways and that his ways are not our ways. If your God works in mysterious ways and we can never understand him, then why should we have anything to do with something we can never understand? If your God exist as you claim he will never rely on a person like you to explain him to anybody . Just read the replies of this thread and see how terrible your explanation has failed. Only a non existent God that lives in your head will rely on you to explain him to others. A God that truly exist will do that himself.

laribari:
You know the evil about humans and mostly people like you, if you see this same sign you will call it juju or voodoo.

I am very very sure you are one of the people calling for the removal of pastor chris' atmosphere for miracles from our local Tv.

I am not a member of his church, so I'm not canvassing for him but my point is that you have seen more than enough miracles even on TV and I do not care whether it's false or not: the point here is that you have seen it and why didn't u believe?

People like you who have their mind made up will never believe and you are asking those Christians here to prove their faith with a sign. But how naa? Online? Are u seeing them? If dem appear for ur house u nor go say Na another thing? Stop saying silly things and apply a little sense even though common sense is not common.

Abi u want dem to set NL ablaze before you belief?
OK if for instance they set it ablaze, fools like you will say the computer server crashed. You will take the fault electronically. So why should they prove anything? Go to revival grounds and see for urself and stop deceiving yourself.

You might say calling you a fool is tantamount to insult but it is not. A fool is someone who does or says foolish things and it is more OE less describing someone's actions. Even Christians can put themselves in the place of a fool, pending on our actions. Much said, you made foolish points so I called you a fool because the bible says a fool said in his heart that there is no God.

There is this young man in my office and any time we decided to say Team prayer in the beginning of the month when we usually have our team meeting, he always complains that it is too long or at times that we shouldn't sing before praying.

This is one of the ja rule (care free guys) in our team and his parents are said to be elders in church. I always baffled until one day I said whenever we are to pray, u always complain but I pray that you do not see a problem that will make u pray your eyes out. You will call on that same God and you will sweat to see His face.

I'm not mocking the guy o, but as we speak he is facing the sack this week and on top of that his wife is pregnant and she has been calling her husband's colleagues to find out what is going on at work because the guy has dropped but he is hiding it from his wife because of her condition.

Shey God nor dey abi? I say it here today that you will seek this God when the time comes.


I'm not ignorant ooo! I'm now on this thread and I have ur time plenty. We will talk and I will prove ur foolishness. Let's start!

If a fool is someone who says foolish things... then you perfectly qualify as one.
I would have taken time to reply this post but just a line in your statement made me realize that your foolishness knows no bounds. Pastors will continue to use ur head until u die.
The line that got me is when you claimed the guy has seen so many miracles on TV and you don't care if they are fake or not. That is by far the most foolish statement I have ever read. Then you feel you have the right to call someone who does not believe in ur fake religion a fool when in actuality you are the fool who allows himself to be fooled.
Go and sleep, you are too slow to defend the almighty creator, if you are given a chance you will end up making a jest of this creator.
Do not call others fool because they don't believe in your nonsense... it is foolishness to think that way.

dalaman:
So there is this all powerful, almighty God that can do all things who exist but is solely relying on image123 to explain it's mysterious ways to others in a convoluted , lame and ridiculous way. The bible is very clear on how prayers are supposed to work. Jesus promised his followers answered prayers many many times. He even stated that these are signs that will follow those who believe in him. Are there any signs following any christian today? Are christians living better, experiencing less harm or havoc compared to non christians in the world today? Are christians having it any easier than others? The answers is NO. Despite their claims of my father in heaven will guide me, help me , protect me and do things for me. No evidence to show that christians are better protected or helped more than non christians at all. We are all just groping in the dark and struggling on our own. As someone said the world's of the bible have expired in the real world. Miracles are just make belief and illusions. Clear cut miracles do not exist. If they do we will not be having this conversation. If christianity is true you image123 will be going about healing amputees because Jesus PROMISED you that. He said as he is going back to heaven those of you that believe in him will do GREATER things than him. We were told in stories that he walked on water and was a great miracle worker that also healed amputees. If these stories are true then you should be doing what he promised you. These are just mythological stories. Do you believe that Prophet Mohammed divided the moon into two halves? Why or why not? You believe the Jesus stories and refuse to believe the Mohammed one simply because you were born into and indoctrinated with the Jesus stories over the Mohammed stories. If you were born in India you would have been a Hindu and believe in very different stores that talk and explain Indian myths, miracles and legands The fact is these stories are simply false and they worry you so much that is why you came up with a thread to try to explain them away by saying God works in mysterious ways and that his ways are not our ways. If your God works in mysterious ways and we can never understand him, then why should we have anything to do with something we can never understand? If your God exist as you claim he will never rely on a person like you to explain him to anybody . Just read the replies of this thread and see how terrible your explanation has failed. Only a non existent God that lives in your head will rely on you to explain him to others. A God that truly exist will do that himself.

The reason why I'm going to answer you is because you questioned quoted the bible by twisting it.

Obviously you do not understand it that it is contextual so let me school you on it.

1. Jesus didn't promise Christians a better ending or most peace in the world He said Christians are haters of the world and that is evident but u do not get it and twisted it. John 15:19


2. Jesus said signs shall follow dem dat believe and He mentioned some of these signs. a. Speak in new tongues b. Casting out devils c. Drink poisonous substance and won't be hurt d. Take up serpents.

This is Mark 16: 18-19.

Don't people speak tongues today? Same tongues you still criticize. Don't Christians cast out devils during deliverance section? Same one u called fake or u think the devil or demons are entities you just approach anyhow?

Why now it is dat u pick two and abandoned two in ur assessment of a Christian? Didn't that same Jesus tell you people have different level of faith? But if ur faith is great enuf nothing will be impossible. Does that not tell you everyone can operate at same level?

Now when the bible says serpent, it doesn't always refer to a snake.... the pharisees were called vipers, are they real snakes? The bible called Satan the old serpent does it make it a real snake?

Your ignorance nor be here ooo!

Poisonous substance? Well you donot know how many people have truly been saved so don't judge blindly.

laribari:
The reason why I'm going to answer you is because you questioned quoted the bible by twisting it.

Obviously you do not understand it that it is contextual so let me school you on it.

1. Jesus didn't promise Christians a better ending or most peace in the world He said Christians are haters of the world and that is evident but u do not get it and twisted it. John 15:19


2. Jesus said signs shall follow dem dat believe and He mentioned some of these signs. a. Speak in new tongues b. Casting out devils c. Drink poisonous substance and won't be hurt d. Take up serpents.

This is Mark 16: 18-19.

Don't people speak tongues today? Same tongues you still criticize. Don't Christians cast out devils during deliverance section? Same one u called fake or u think the devil or demons are entities you just approach anyhow?

Why now it is dat u pick two and abandoned two in ur assessment of a Christian? Didn't that same Jesus tell you people have different level of faith? But if ur faith is great enuf nothing will be impossible. Does that not tell you everyone can operate at same level?

Now when the bible says serpent, it doesn't always refer to a snake.... the pharisees were called vipers, are they real snakes? The bible called Satan the old serpent does it make it a real snake?

Your ignorance nor be here ooo!

Poisonous substance? Well you donot know how many people have truly been saved so don't judge blindly.

laribari:
You know the evil about humans and mostly people like you, if you see this same sign you will call it juju or voodoo.

I am very very sure you are one of the people calling for the removal of pastor chris' atmosphere for miracles from our local Tv.

I am not a member of his church, so I'm not canvassing for him but my point is that you have seen more than enough miracles even on TV and I do not care whether it's false or not: the point here is that you have seen it and why didn't u believe?

People like you who have their mind made up will never believe and you are asking those Christians here to prove their faith with a sign. But how naa? Online? Are u seeing them? If dem appear for ur house u nor go say Na another thing? Stop saying silly things and apply a little sense even though common sense is not common.

Abi u want dem to set NL ablaze before you belief?
OK if for instance they set it ablaze, fools like you will say the computer server crashed. You will take the fault electronically. So why should they prove anything? Go to revival grounds and see for urself and stop deceiving yourself.

You might say calling you a fool is tantamount to insult but it is not. A fool is someone who does or says foolish things and it is more OE less describing someone's actions. Even Christians can put themselves in the place of a fool, pending on our actions. Much said, you made foolish points so I called you a fool because the bible says a fool said in his heart that there is no God.

There is this young man in my office and any time we decided to say Team prayer in the beginning of the month when we usually have our team meeting, he always complains that it is too long or at times that we shouldn't sing before praying.

This is one of the ja rule (care free guys) in our team and his parents are said to be elders in church. I always baffled until one day I said whenever we are to pray, u always complain but I pray that you do not see a problem that will make u pray your eyes out. You will call on that same God and you will sweat to see His face.

I'm not mocking the guy o, but as we speak he is facing the sack this week and on top of that his wife is pregnant and she has been calling her husband's colleagues to find out what is going on at work because the guy has dropped but he is hiding it from his wife because of her condition.

Shey God nor dey abi? I say it here today that you will seek this God when the time comes.


I'm not ignorant ooo! I'm now on this thread and I have ur time plenty. We will talk and I will prove ur foolishness. Let's start!

Arrrgh!
I'll have to start from the scratch with you?

Ok, just post miracles that are confirmed or verified by the public which are really special.
Not hearsay.

Like an amputee growing his or her legs back.

frank317:
If a fool is someone who says foolish things... then you perfectly qualify as one.
I would have taken time to reply this post but just a line in your statement made me realize that your foolishness knows no bounds. Pastors will continue to use ur head until u die.
The line that got me is when you claimed the guy has seen so many miracles on TV and you don't care if they are fake or not. That is by far the most foolish statement I have ever read. Then you feel you have the right to call someone who does not believe in ur fake religion a fool when in actuality you are the fool who allows himself to be fooled.
Go and sleep, you are too slow to defend the almighty creator, if you are given a chance you will end up making a jest of this creator.
Do not call others fool because they don't believe in your nonsense... it is foolishness to think that way.

In fact i was just laughing when i saw your many anger and frustration in your response because i called you a fool but it didn't change your course na. Abi?

Let me tell you again and ama prove it too................. Bros, you are indeed a fool ....truth.

Here it is.......................

1. When i say why didn't you believe miracles whether it is true or fake, certainly i was speaking in line of someone like you who sees everything from the church as fake. I said that because PEOPLE LIKE YOU CALL THEM FAKE.

I was taking you on what you would have SAID, until you finally said it that pastors will use my head, meaning the church is FALSE
Your words didn't confess it at first but that is what you are manifesting via your post. I laugh!!


After all you claim there is a no God nor miracles and still you know about pastors who God uses but you call them fake miracles, else YOUR SORRY SELF WILL NOT SAY THEY DO NOT EXIST IF YOU DO NOT THINK IT IS FAKE.


I am not calling them fake, i am only saying since it is signs you wanna see then why didn't you belief the ones you saw even though you might say they are fake? That is because you are confused and will argue blindly. I didn't mean they are fake...................English na ur problem.

AFTER ALL, YOU SAID PASTOR WILL CONTINUE TO USE MY HEAD. How and why? BECAUSE YOU THINK WHAT THEY DO IS FAKE AND I ALREADY KNOW YOUR TYPE WHICH WAS WHY I SAID WHETHER IT IS FAKE OR NOT, AS LONG AS YOUR DEMAND A MIRACLE, WHY DIDN'T YOU STILL BELIEVE WHEN YOU SAW ONE? INSTEAD YOU CALLED IT FAKE.

Have you not heard Rev, Chris, T.B Joshua etc? o.k, you do not have TV or you just don't watch Christians programs? Then how can you ever see it if you don't?

You see that you are indeed foolish, pointless and dancing around in the circle your draw, shooting yourself on the foot. you said there is no such thing as signs and when you saw one you said it is fake. Then what will make you believe? Nothing!! Why? Because haters will always hate for no reason.


THOSE PEOPLE THAT YOU CLAIMED PASTORS ARE USING THEIR HEAD, AT LEAST THEY SAW SOMETHING THOSE PASTORS DID AND BELIEVED ABI? WHY YOU NOR BELIEVE AM? THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE AND IT IS BECAUSE YOU ARE FOOLISH.

I am not insulting you oo but it is what you are manifesting and a deliverance session would help. How can you demand something and after seeing it, you say it is fake? You well self?

I called you a fool and your proved it............ by saying pastors will use my head die because that was where you shot yourself up which means that you mean they are false and what they do is fake. You see, you just foolishly confined my thought about what you think of the church.

Isn't that why i said whether na fake or not? I called you a fool and in played into my hands.

I am using Cap-lock for my main points to show you that you are indeed clueless.


2. You said it is too late to defend God? Bros that is another foolish statement.
WHO TOLD YOU GOD IS LOOKING FOR PEOPLE TO DEFEND HIM? HE WILL JUDGE THE WORLD...........

WE ARE JUST CONVERSING AND SHARING THOUGHTS HERE, SO I'M NOT TRYING TO CONVINCE YOU TO ACCEPT GOD. GOD SENT JESUS AND IF HE WANTS A DEFENDER HE CAN DO THAT.

When Jesus was to be arrested, at first the soldiers fell to the ground when They asked of Jesus and He said it is I. They fell to the ground on their knees because all knees must bow at His name's mentioning. However, with a kiss He willingly gave Himself up. Abi you want me to explain the kiss for you again? If He wanted to defend Himself He would do it but He came as a saviour to die for you and I, even though you don't belief.

IF YOU GO TO CHURCHES, THE PLACE IS PACKED FULL AND NEW CONVERTS COME IN EVERYDAY, SO ON THE AREA OF DEFENSE IF YOU FEEL CHRISTIANS ARE DEFENDING HIS NAME, THAT IT IS TOO LATE, YOU ARE WRONG. THAT IS ANOTHER FOOLISH MANIFESTATION FROM YOU. SOULS ARE COMING INTO THE HOUSE OF GOD STEADILY, IT IS YOUR WHO IS LOST.

IT IS NOT FOR YOU TO BELIEVE because YOU DON LOST ALREADY.

You said you would have taken your time to answer....lol

It is because you don't know me and i will expose your foolishness even more.

please do o, i'm ready for you because i already said i have your time plenty.

I will wait for your response...................no shaking

Pyrrho:
Arrrgh!
I'll have to start from the scratch with you?

Ok, just post miracles that are confirmed or verified by the public which are really special.
Not hearsay.

Like an amputee growing his or her legs back.

Bros i get you but maybe you do not understand what i said. Anyone that has his or her mind made up will never believe even if they show it to them.

Didn't you read in Mark that the unbeliever will never get a miracle? Even the bible shows it to us that not every where Jesus went that the people got healed. The problem was not him but the people.

If you read further, the bible said why Jesus didn't do much there was because the people didn't even believe despite what they have already heard.

Mark 6:5King James Version (KJV)

5 And he could there do no mighty work, save that he laid his hands upon a few sick folk, and healed them.


The truth is that i do not have to prove anything to you (with all due respect o) because Youtube and Google (where files and events are recorded) will give you any evidence you want but what i am saying is that even if you see it, you will not agree.

You can not hold me to ransom and that is the difference btw we Africans are whites. They investigate things, they go for here. Rather than waiting for my post, make the move to crusade grounds and see for yourself.

There is nobody in Nigeria, o.k let's say someone who is exposed in Lagos that does not know Rev. T.B Joshua. Once again, i do not attend his church before you will say i am advertizing for him.

My point is that they have aired their programs and you know who he is too. Rather dan asking for postings here, just go to Ikodun abi where him church dey .

Let's face it, even the Jesus that we follow was not believed by everybody, so why should i be surprised if you don't believe what i am saying?

I will wait for your response.......... No shaking

Image123:
This issue is a little bit long and better maturely and separately discussed. It is a matter of UNDERSTANDING really. Bible clearly says that man's ways are different from God's ways and that God's ways are mysterious. That is why we are expected to GROW in knowing Him.
Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.
1Ti 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
2Pe 3:18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and forever. Amen.
Col 1:10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

Nobody here on earth has full/complete knowledge of God. i don't even understand people close to me fully, not to mention God. The capacity is simply not there to fully process Him. However, just like our pets and domestic animals, we can have and grow in partial knowledge of our owners. For instance, a goat may not first know anything about you, but with time, it might come to understanding that a particular place ant time is where it sleeps, eats, a particular sound makes it know there is food etc. It has understood you to some extent compared to before, and to other goats. Same for pets like dogs, cats etc than can be well trained and understand humans to a very large degree. But no matter how smart a dog is, still it cannot fully process we humans or relate like a human to human. Our wisdom and that of animals is even closer than that of humans and the Godhead.
The point i am bringing out of this is that we may not claim to fully understand the Word of God or God Himself, not you not i. However, we have varying degrees of understanding, and i dare say i understand God more than you. You do not even believe He exists BTW so this should not raise an argument as it were.
When a father, or better still, when you as a father tell your child that you are going to help him/her anytime you are called. It is taken for granted that you say it out of love and mutual understanding. If your child says dad help me with my school fees for instance, you would likely help or try to. If the child says dad help me with the dishes, or read for me, dad you promised to help me. i'm not sure you will help in such a case, even when you could. Why, for one reaason, you expect a level of maturity, responsibility and independence from your child. In similar vein, God has created man with SO MUCH so as to be largely independent and able to solve problems and basically survive. He made man Lord of the earth as it were, and gave him dominion, making him just a little lower than angels. There are some things God normally will not help you with, no matter how many promises you quote, especially when it is something you could have taken care of on your own or with the help of others.
Psa 8:4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Psa 8:5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honor.
Psa 8:6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:

Normally, He doesn't even need to visit us as it were or intervene as much as we want and ask Him to. We are just a little lower than the angels, crowned with glory and honour, and made to have dominion. Sometimes however, God intervenes, what we call miracles. Three main things/causes of His intervention are one His Sovereignty, two Prayers, three Faith.
The Bible does not forbid us from going to the hospital or using medicine. In fact, Paul encouraged Timothy to use wine as some sort of medicine for his FREQUENT infirmities. Anyone running to church instead of the hospital is ON HIS OWN, especially when the hospital can treat him. His decision and model is not Bible based or divinely commanded. Going to the hospital is not mutually exclusive to trusting God or having faith in God. He can still pray in his hospital bed, and he can still die there BTW. His dying there does not mean drugs do not work, just like dying in church does not mean God is not real.
i'll give you four instances/illustrations that explain what i am saying further.
1. There was a sick baby last month, for some reason the parents did not take her to the hospital but were using self medication. When the case got worse, they took her to LUTH. LUTH rejected her saying there was nothing they could do, that it was already late, she should have been brought earlier. They had to take the child home, a baby girl. They sent the request to church for prayers and continued with their medications. The baby girl is better now, she has recovered.

2. There was a man last year, who woke up from bed unable to move from his back up, virtually paralysed. He was 'okay' the previous day, nothing wrong with him. He was rushed to the hospital where they did tests and scans etc and discovered there was a problem with one part of his spine and he had to pay some amount for surgery. The man and the family were so confused and disbelieving because there was nothing wrong with him previously. Why then does he have to spend so much etc. they went to another hospital, this time private specialist. tat one gave him another big name disease from the spine too, of course his fee was bigger. His attempt to go abroad for better healthcare was even more costly. In all these, he was paralysed for real, his neighbours knew, and he himself and family knew. No drama. In the middle of this, brethren have been praying for him. He was then at a healing crusade, and according to him, he received his healing at the crusade. He was spared the agony of living with paralysis for the rest of his life, and the hundreds of thousands he did not have did not need to be worried about. Whatever explanation you may give to that, the man and his family who experienced this answer to prayer will be grateful to God.

3. i have a friend, born a muslim but now a born again christian. This fellow had stroke, with slurred speech, going dumb and clearly dying. As a last resort, after all he could do everywhere else, he was dumped in front of his brother's house. His brother is my friend through whom i knew him. His brother is a christian. The brother found him lying in front of his house dying and neglected. The brother did not offer him any hope of healing, he was preaching to him to give his life to Christ, about eternity etc. The man managed to give his life to Christ. Well, he did not die, so they continued to take care of him, pray for him, read Bible to him etc. In a week, he was healed of ALL his sickness. The man is alive and well, and even richer than his brother as it were. Not dem say, i still saw and spoke with him today. Whatever excuse you might give to that, i would rather have that kind of luck, or placebo or whatever name you call it (instead of you calling it God answering prayer) than believe in nothing, which is far most lazy and does not have any significant advantage.

4. Some few years ago, i suddenly developed eye problem. Dizziness, headache, blurry sight, longsightedness etc. Wetin i do, wetin happen, am i going blind? i began to pray and skabbash It's funny now, though it wasn't funny then oh. i know what i faced and experienced, so don't you tell me story and plausible explanation to rationalise my pain. At any rate, as i was praying, i find my way go see optician. Faith and Medicine are not mutually exclusive, and many need to understand that. After examination, the man said i had latent hyperopia. i've never heard the word nor its meaning before. i asked for the cause, the cure etc. He said it can happen to anybody bla bla bla, there is nothing that can be done to it, i would only use recommended glasses, he said something has spoilt in the eyes(abi finished, i don;t particularly recall), and that is all for a lifetime etc. So, i paid for the glasses, and was told to come back for it in some days time. See me thinking like what went wrong, it cannot happen, so i cannot read again without glasses, even to read for NL, my eyes was heavy and watery etc. As i got home, the kain prayer i fire ehn, no be here. To the glory of God, it was gone the next day. Latent hyperopia went to wherever it came from. i went to collect my designer recommended glasses sha since i have paid for it. i've NEVER had to wear it.

You are skeptics so i hardly expect you to believe my four stories. Even if you did have no choice but to accept that they happened, you would still try to explain them away, anything but God. i experienced it though, and it was God that did it. i've seen other things happen before. i only gave the above four showing that one can still do required part and pray for divine help. God helped me and helped those other three, we all went to the hospital too, but the hospital did not have to help us. Sometimes, healing can come THROUGH the hospital too. i'm already long, not to be too long i will stop here. Expecting your inputs and questions before further talking.


cc: HardMirror, frank317, cloudgoddess, wirinet. You can copy others though i hardly expect them(of your ilk persuasion) to show capability to discuss or reason, from experience.

But sir,what can you say about God's stand when his children are engaged in unforeseen danger like mob,road accident,rape and all? Is He expecting us to help ourself or what?

AnalyticEngine:
My major contention is, why hasn't an amputated arm or leg ever been healed? I have never heard or read of it. OP, over to u

God gave us the brain for use, but we chose to neglect our brains to listen to the gods such as Jehovah, etc. whose holy books have no single word there called 'brain'.
Now the answer is simply this: Domino Reverad who created the universe did not create it for the worship of any deity who promises what they cannot do. REVERAD created human being to find out how to provide solutions to their problems and only the scientists caught this vision. That's why they are the only people who have provided almost all the answers to problems facing humanities. Do you know that SCIENTISTS CAN FIX ARTIFICIAL HANDS AND LEGS, which are aided electronically? but none of the known gods put together can do this.

THE KINGDOM OF DOMINO REVERAD is already here. Read full doctrine in my signature below. JESUS trembles at the mention of the name of his grandfather REVERAD.

otemanuduno:
God gave us the brain for use, but we chose to neglect our brains to listen to the gods such as Jehovah, etc. whose holy books have no single word there called 'brain'.
Now the answer is simply this: Domino Reverad who created the universe did not create it for the worship of any deity who promises what they cannot do. REVERAD created human being to find out how to provide solutions to their problems and only the scientists caught this vision. That's why they are the only people who have provided almost all the answers to problems facing humanities. Do you know that SCIENTISTS CAN FIX ARTIFICIAL HANDS AND LEGS, which are aided electronically? but none of the known gods put together can do this.

THE KINGDOM OF DOMINO REVERAD is already here. Read full doctrine in my signature below. JESUS trembles at the mention of the name of his grandfather REVERAD.

I've been seeing your post around this section. I'll engage you some other time so be ready. Your story "domino reverad" will be just as absurd...

Pyrrho:
What part of the Bible description of God should we take as valid?

All or some?

All as a whole, not some. ALL the terms and conditions. They may seem contrasting sometimes, that is why you need teachers and to calm down and hear explanation. Picking and choosing for your biased opinion doesn't bring much value.

prettybetty25:
But sir,what can you say about God's stand when his children are engaged in unforeseen danger like mob,road accident,rape and all? Is He expecting us to help ourself or what?

I'm thinking characters limit should be implemented on nairaland. That's one hell of an essay you replied to.

prettybetty25:
But sir,what can you say about God's stand when his children are engaged in unforeseen danger like mob,road accident,rape and all? Is He expecting us to help ourself or what?

Hello Madam, Morning.

Look at it this way and you will understand better.

Humans are like little children (who do not really know what is right from wrong) and God is like our parents who have all the required experience etc.

First question is............. do you know some children are very stubborn?

When their parents are advising them on the right path, they just feel they know it all and go their own way and when something goes wrong, people (outsiders) will always blame the parents, not knowing that they have been advising the stubborn child all along.

Like they say, when the child is good the father takes the glory and when they are bad, it's the mother.
Normally, when children misbehave, people start sending words to the parents.

The word of God is there to guide us but even Christians do not follow it. Read the book of proverb and Ecclesiastes and you will see that if those principles are followed, failure or mishap will be very hard to come your way.

Some of the mishap that come our way are caused by us and we can't blame God for it when we get into danger. Didn't He say in His word that
we should choose life rather than death? The bible said there is a way that always seems right in the eyes of man but that way leads to destruction. God gave us free will to choose what we want and still goes on to advice us (on choosing life) but He will not falsely pull you out when danger comes if it is a path we have choosen.

I am not saying as natural parents we don't go after our children to help them even if they offend countless times but trust me, if it is too much you will just be abandoned by your own parents.

If you haven't heard it before, i have seen a case where my uncle used a police to arrest his sons because of their way of life. You can frustrate you parents that they just let go because it is a path you choose for yourself.

Didn't He say we reap what we sown? It is not as if He does not wish to help us but it is a principle that He operates with. Everything about life is sowing and reaping, including food and plants too. So why should God break His word because you are stubborn or wanna test Him?


Apart from that, do you know how many times God has saved you without you knowing it? Do you think you escaped certain things by luck?

Well, i didn't read what IMAGE123 wrote as they are too long but i just share my view to what i know from the scriptures and applying common sense too.

Pyrrho:
I've been seeing your post around this section. I'll engage you some other time so be ready. Your story "domino reverad" will be just as absurd...

No problem, you can do that whenever you are ready. Eartum has told me to be prepared for things like this.

frank317:
Healing is like trial and error for your so called almighty powerful God. Even after all the promises. This exactly why I know he is not real.
What result has been achieved over time? All these make believe stories that could happen to anybody from any religion whether they pray or not. Even our forefathers who used to ignorantly believe in stone experienced some sort of healing.
Face it man , it's not about your God, that's just the mystery of life... don't just call what u don't understand Yahweh. It's another word for i don't understand,but u and not comfortable with that are u? So let God replace ur ignorance.
If your God cannot stand out then you have no business trying to do his work for him.

It is not trial and error for God but for us. God does not need or receive healing, it is those that receive it that it is like trial and error for. i have as much as possible put aside many factors and peoples so that the explanation can be BASIC and progressing. i've said i would still talk about trusting God, giving glory. Not to forget that there are people who receiving from God is very frequent and tested and trusted. We don't all have the same level of faith, prayers, relationship with God. The thread is to help the general and major populace who don't have the "skill" and have questions. Many and most times, the problem is at the receiving end, and sometimes it is simply God's decision and Sovereignty. God is a Spirit, and if you want to enjoy Him more, you have to come to His terms not the other way round. He is not begging or desperate, so don't suppose He is very anxious to appear to you and prove Himself. FACT.
Miracles are not make believe, they do happen. The OP shares 4 personal testimonies, this are not stories i heard, they are personal experiences and there are many more. The Bible does not say that miracles only happen in christianity, neither have i said so. There are clearly other gods and the Scriptures acknowledge that. What we are quick to add is that there is no other god like God. People who face troubles and challenges know where it hurts them, thank God you do not have such challenges. People who have been healed of life threatening, money gulping and hopeless sicknesses know for themselves. Humans who had problems with marriage, job, poverty etc and received supernatural help, saw reality of evil powers, vomitted and excreted different things like cockroach to lizard to hair to sponge etc, and the problems disappeared. These are things that happen around us, if you are not too lazy to sit in the armchair and say stuff conveniently on the internet.
So a woman is not married over 40years, and prays and fasts three days with a man of God. She sees a sponge in her village buried in their compound since her birth. She goes to dig it up and destroy it prayerfully to God. The same month, the same woman has four serious suitors, and you tell me that is normal and natural? You must be highly deluded to so conclude.

There is no guarantee... we also cannot stop being humans if he insists that he must be God. It's funny how u belittle your God. You seem to put him in the same box u put humans but u don't know that's hat u are doing.
A man needs God to heal his sick and dying wife, however this God has other plans and time frame to act. As a result the man's wife dies...God expects man to understand and maintain his peace, despite strictly maintaining his own stance even after knowing man does not really understand him.
I think your God is a joke.

As you can clearly see, it is not me, it is the Bible itself. The Bible shows you how God works. You are not the ones to tell us how a real god should work, you do not know any God so you cannot just pull out criteria from thin air. The Bible shows you how God works, if you think that is weak or belittling, well your opinion. It shows me however that God is real and i understand Him better. Many people have maintained their peace and even trusted God more after calamity, so stop weeping more than the bereaved. the case of Job is clear from the Bible. Horatio Spafford wrote the popular song "It is well with my soul" after losing ALL his daughters in a shipwreck. Anne Johnson Flint lost her parents at young age, became paralysed and very sickly, yet she remained and died a happy and faithful christian and gave us the good hymn "He giveth more grace". Should i talk about Paul the apostle, and Peter and John and all they faced? The joke is on you, people have fulfilled God's requirements aplenty.

Lol... trust me, if God understands us like u say, he wouldn't even have destroyed earth with water, nor would he have really gotten mad at Adam or eve and there wouldn't be any need for hell. He simply want to act like God, which is far far above our understanding but wants us mere mortals, to understand him when he does things the way he likes despite knowing we are not capable of understanding him. This is just a huge joke. You talk of healing like it's common... I have never seen one all my years in the church. I say it's all scam. No God heals anyone.

This is a huge load of ignorance in one paragraph which i would not fully reply so as not to over expand or derail the thread much. Hell was created before man BTW and not for man. i did not say that we are not capable of understanding God, i have repeated on this same thread humbly that i UNDERSTAND God more than you. However, we cannot FULLY understand God. Sometimes, you don't even understand a fellow human being, though with time and experience and closeness such understanding may improve and increase. i have given illustration of domestic goat and pets like dogs that understand their owners but not fully. The basic understanding that is required and needed for life and to know God is very much achievable. Healing is common if you go to where it happens, i however do not encourage running up and down looking for signs and wonders. It is not of much advantage in the big picture. You cannot just sit all your life in Agege stadium and expect to see Lionel Messi live. yes, Messi is found in stadiums, but if you want to see him, go to the stadiums where he goes as it were. Miracles and signs and wonders happen, both from God and from other sources. go to your village or some village where they claim to experience supernatural happenings, you will see it. One man went to his village and came back to Lagos on wheelchair, paralyzed. It took prayers to get him back on his feet, he vomited some stuff as well. He went to the hospital, they scanned and scanned and almost photocopied the man sef, they saw nada. Stay there.

Ya God is a healer whose healing powers are not guaranteed because we can't understand him but he made so many unguaranteed promises in the Bible and we must hold unto it even when it's not guaranteed.
Good luck believing in a sky daddy who dosent seem to know what he wants.
I just think ur God thrives on evil... without out man's suffering, he wouldn't really be God.
NB: I really don't take u serious... if God understands me like u said... he should know I consider u a mere mortal like me and can only see all u said as the words of a mortal...the deity u defend is just in ur head, hence you blowing hot and cold at the same time.
God cannot maintain being God and expects mere mortals to hold unto him when things go wrong despite knowing we don't and can't understand his ways. That's u reasonable.

Repeated rant, read above.

otemanuduno:
No problem, you can do that whenever you are ready. Eartum has told me to be prepared for things like this.

lol

frank317:
Is Nairaland religious section for only those who have nothing to do with their life? Are u here trying to prove your God is real because u have nothing better to do with ur life?

Seriously I expect u to be far above the lame quote above... well, I am not surprised. after all you believe in a sky daddy whom, u, the believer needs to explain to others but the sky daddy never shows up.
Smh for a God who is unknowable but relies on same mortals who don't really know him to explain him to other mortals. He is a joke.

The section is for those who are interested in discussing or reading about religion. The THREAD is about why God does not heal/help like we expect He should. It is not about proving the existence of God, but for people who have issues understanding God's actions. i'm not here to prove that God is real, sorry. The OP is very clear, kindly read again.
God does not have to show up, He did not promise to physically show up. The atheist cannot drum up criteria for God, God is God. You cannot define God without giving us an example. The Bible defines God and we have experienced the Bible's definition. If you have not, pele oh, not my problem. On the believer explaining God to others, that is a privilege and a duty. It is in the Bible, it is not demeaning or anything you want to paint it as. We believers are God's witnesses and we are happy to be. those that have believed our witness have believed, we do not expect everybody to. in fact, we would be worried if everybody did, because the Bible told us what to expect already.

Pyrrho:
Arrrgh!
I'll have to start from the scratch with you?

Ok, just post miracles that are confirmed or verified by the public which are really special.
Not hearsay.

Like an amputee growing his or her legs back.

You seem to have a thing for amputees, are you?

Image123:
It is not trial and error for God but for us. God does not need or receive healing, it is those that receive it that it is like trial and error for. i have as much as possible put aside many factors and peoples so that the explanation can be BASIC and progressing. i've said i would still talk about trusting God, giving glory. Not to forget that there are people who receiving from God is very frequent and tested and trusted. We don't all have the same level of faith, prayers, relationship with God. The thread is to help the general and major populace who don't have the "skill" and have questions. Many and most times, the problem is at the receiving end, and sometimes it is simply God's decision and Sovereignty. God is a Spirit, and if you want to enjoy Him more, you have to come to His terms not the other way round. He is not begging or desperate, so don't suppose He is very anxious to appear to you and prove Himself. FACT.
Miracles are not make believe, they do happen. The OP shares 4 personal testimonies, this are not stories i heard, they are personal experiences and there are many more. The Bible does not say that miracles only happen in christianity, neither have i said so. There are clearly other gods and the Scriptures acknowledge that. What we are quick to add is that there is no other god like God. People who face troubles and challenges know where it hurts them, thank God you do not have such challenges. People who have been healed of life threatening, money gulping and hopeless sicknesses know for themselves. Humans who had problems with marriage, job, poverty etc and received supernatural help, saw reality of evil powers, vomitted and excreted different things like cockroach to lizard to hair to sponge etc, and the problems disappeared. These are things that happen around us, if you are not too lazy to sit in the armchair and say stuff conveniently on the internet.
So a woman is not married over 40years, and prays and fasts three days with a man of God. She sees a sponge in her village buried in their compound since her birth. She goes to dig it up and destroy it prayerfully to God. The same month, the same woman has four serious suitors, and you tell me that is normal and natural? You must be highly deluded to so conclude.





As you can clearly see, it is not me, it is the Bible itself. The Bible shows you how God works. You are not the ones to tell us how a real god should work, you do not know any God so you cannot just pull out criteria from thin air. The Bible shows you how God works, if you think that is weak or belittling, well your opinion. It shows me however that God is real and i understand Him better. Many people have maintained their peace and even trusted God more after calamity, so stop weeping more than the bereaved. the case of Job is clear from the Bible. Horatio Spafford wrote the popular song "It is well with my soul" after losing ALL his daughters in a shipwreck. Anne Johnson Flint lost her parents at young age, became paralysed and very sickly, yet she remained and died a happy and faithful christian and gave us the good hymn "He giveth more grace". Should i talk about Paul the apostle, and Peter and John and all they faced? The joke is on you, people have fulfilled God's requirements aplenty.




This is a huge load of ignorance in one paragraph which i would not fully reply so as not to over expand or derail the thread much. Hell was created before man BTW and not for man. i did not say that we are not capable of understanding God, i have repeated on this same thread humbly that i UNDERSTAND God more than you. However, we cannot FULLY understand God. Sometimes, you don't even understand a fellow human being, though with time and experience and closeness such understanding may improve and increase. i have given illustration of domestic goat and pets like dogs that understand their owners but not fully. The basic understanding that is required and needed for life and to know God is very much achievable. Healing is common if you go to where it happens, i however do not encourage running up and down looking for signs and wonders. It is not of much advantage in the big picture. You cannot just sit all your life in Agege stadium and expect to see Lionel Messi live. yes, Messi is found in stadiums, but if you want to see him, go to the stadiums where he goes as it were. Miracles and signs and wonders happen, both from God and from other sources. go to your village or some village where they claim to experience supernatural happenings, you will see it. One man went to his village and came back to Lagos on wheelchair, paralyzed. It took prayers to get him back on his feet, he vomited some stuff as well. He went to the hospital, they scanned and scanned and almost photocopied the man sef, they saw nada. Stay there.



Repeated rant, read above.

Nice one Image123, just read what you said and you are spot on.

You really carry information!

There are some things you said that made me smile because your are so correct but what made me smile is the wisdom in your answers.


Nice one bro!

prettybetty25:
But sir,what can you say about God's stand when his children are engaged in unforeseen danger like mob,road accident,rape and all? Is He expecting us to help ourself or what?

My sister, one thing we tend to forget is that we live in a depraved and degenerate world. We're not yet in Heaven. This means/connotes that we're all exposed to the ills,sickness, calamity, crime and evil of this earth. That is one reason we hope and look for Jesus and His promise of a better place where God will wipe all tears and sorrow from our eyes. But here on earth, there is tribulations and Jesus said it, the days are evil. And nothing should therefore shake us or separate us from the love of God, no death or life or famine or wealth or things to come. We're not looking at or focusing on the things seen, Heaven is the strength of the believer.
If we can help ourselves, why not? By carefulness, watchfulness, wisdom, prayer, call for help, fleeing etc. Paul once escaped death using a basket on the wall. However, nothing stops us from calling upon God in trouble, He does deliver and we have experienced His deliverances. But be like the three Hebrew guys who told that Babylon king, whether God delivers or not, we will serve Him. welcome to NL by the way. It's a dangerous place oh.

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