Anas09:

Thank God for some end times friends who care enough to want your good. If you drop dead right now, the living will scramble even the very clothes on your body. That your shop will be vandalized. So, I joined my voice with the end time friends and say, lie down, eat and sleep.
Get well soon.
Happy Children's Day.

ofcourse i know u will say or even do the same thing like them*laughing like osun state worker who just collected his salary*.

#ok let me put mouth on this topic, before dem blow me.
I learn one vital thing when u pray, there is always 3 responses.
1. ok : when ask GOD for something u get instant answer immediately.. The woman with an issue of blood.
2. Wait: this is one of the most difficult stage u can ever be, but the faithful giver tells u wait.. This is the time u even question where is God? Is like the more u pray the more things get complicated.. But in the end u ve what u asked for.. Example Abraham, job's trial.
3. No, capital NO, jump up jump down the answer is still no.. U as a lady Asking God to give u an already married man.

There is also permissive will and perfect will *i will talk on that later*.

Before i go there is what is called WANT and NEED..
Want is mostly to show off, while need is what u desire not just for yourself but to also bless others with it to the glory of God.

laribari:


Gbam! your foolish has just been confirmed.

You think i won't come back ba? you supposed to know me by now and i have your time plenty and we are going into weekend...

I was actually replying you at soon as i saw that junk but i had more important things to do so i had to leave it but i'm back now.

How much is dtsv compact plus? Isn't 9,420k whether you are rich or poor you pay the same thing and not everyone can even afford that month in month out except business centers and i do not run one because that plan is considered expensive. Anyways, i will spare you mumuness.

6k was only an example i cited on how principles of financial success work but i see that your brain is so dull to grab it. It is not about the amount but the exercise that i'm talking about here. I dare you to post 3 months of your dstv recipt that is if you have. Also, lets see the bill you inquire which month as you claimed to be a baba olowo.


you don chop?

All you have been talking about is economic hardship, suffering etc.

Oh so you nor be mumu? Oya tell me how much of your countries money is being looted away and what did you do about it? your government nor dey use your head one way or the other as Nigerian citizen? so you think all pastors use private Jet? Mr smart boi
anyways, let christians worry about that and don't take panador for another man's headache.

If i say you be mumu, truth you dey confirm am more.

How can you say if everyone live out the biblical principles, then why are people all over suffering. Just say you are among them, so you are frustrated and i can see that..lol

You haven't even convinced me one bit that God isn't real.

Anyways, speaking about principles, i was talking about daily activities in different works of life and it doesn't have to be monetary alone. You see say you are so daft. what do you understand?

So you mean because everybody has to write mathematics, following same principles to solves problems, then everybody has to suceed in it? mumu! it depends on individual abi didn't the bible says "my people perish for lack of knowledge"?

so you think once you exercise a principle then the result has to perfect? that has to do with how well you are able to apply it. this is simple naa, are you a kid?

So you will blame your mathematics teacher for failing maths, whereas some other students passed ba? Olodo!

You have not made sense to me since because you especially of all your Micky Mouse Team has been the biggest fool.

Bunch of clowns because each write up makes me laugh and i always have to correct you over and over again.

If men of God buying private Jet working for God is your problem, how about unbelievers (without fear of God) looting and throwing money around?

I will wait for your response.................. no shaking.

Lol...all these ranting because ur God does not exist? Look you can talk from now till tomorrow, no God ... all just in your heal.
However, if by any chance he exists... he must be silly for putting u in this mess. Making guesses and looking for loop holes to prove your God.
Well, I have read all your comments, nothing convincing that any God exist... honestly I can't prove to you that God does not exist.. just like I cannot prove to you that a green three headed dog does not exist.
Really this is not about insults and brags... if God exist... you really wouldn't talk much.

laribari:


You will never know and that is your problem; you don't know anything.

well your matter nor hard, so me know your type and where you are from. Absolutely from the circus and you have been cracking me up since.

shey you wan talk, you go talk tire as weekend don come but when you talk try making sense at least.

clown!!

You are very funny, see how u are ranting like a mad man all because your God is being doubted... lol!!

If you can go this haywire, I wonder what your God is doing in heaven, he must be hitting his head on heavenly wall by now in frustration...

Brosss.... deal with it... your God does not exist. It's all in your head... type from now till tomorrow, curse, strangle yourself.... thats what you will only do, no God to come help out ur argument. Sorry... it's a pirry.

AnalyticEngine:


Mr. Paparazzi, I couldn't even read all you posted. It is fulll of garbage. From what you just displayed, it is evident that you do not meet the minimum IQ standard to engage in a constructive argument with me. Ask God to increase your IQ before you come up here to engage me. He gives it freely (James 1:5-6)

Oh my!!! You are such a confused fellow Mr Amputee.

So you know God exist and even preached the gospel using James 1:5-6.

The problem i have with you is that you are so empty but you are activity.

For you to refer me to someone so that i can learn, it means the person is real and what He says is truth.

Deluded and confused fellow. Because Oyinbo people dey claim atheist you sef wan Join them.

Boasting of IQ, i haven't seen how you are better than me because you are not even sure of what you are doing.

what do you believe in Nature? You mumu never get name i told you before because whether changes anytime and you go follow am ba? Unstable beast. You know why i called you a beast? The bible says the antichrist is a beast and you are one.

Your end is described in the bible and you will so sorry for yourself.

Work out your own healing yourself since you do not believe God Mr Amputee.

AnalyticEngine:


Mr. Paparazzi, I couldn't even read all you posted. It is fulll of garbage. From what you just displayed, it is evident that you do not meet the minimum IQ standard to engage in a constructive argument with me. Ask God to increase your IQ before you come up here to engage me. He gives it freely (James 1:5-6)

Oh my!!! You are such a confused fellow Mr Amputee.

So you know God exist and even preached the gospel using James 1:5-6.

The problem i have with you is that you are so empty but you are activity.

For you to refer me to someone so that i can learn, it means the person is real and what He says is truth.

Deluded and confused fellow. Because Oyinbo people dey claim atheist you sef wan Join them.

Boasting of IQ, i haven't seen how you are better than me because you are not even sure of what you are doing.

what do you believe in Nature? You mumu never get name i told you before because whether changes anytime and you go follow am ba? Unstable beast. You know why i called you a beast? The bible says the antichrist is a beast and you are one.

Your end is described in the bible and you will so sorry for yourself.

Work out your own healing yourself since you do not believe God Mr Amputee.


Yes oh, no time for paparazi and i await your lame response Mr amputee,

no shaking!

laribari:


Oh my!!! You are such a confused fellow Mr Amputee.

So you know God exist and even preached the gospel using James 1:5-6.

The problem i have with you is that you are so empty but you are activity.

For you to refer me to someone so that i can learn, it means the person is real and what He says is truth.

Deluded and confused fellow. Because Oyinbo people dey claim atheist you sef wan Join them.

Boasting of IQ, i haven't seen how you are better than me because you are not even sure of what you are doing.

what do you believe in Nature? You mumu never get name i told you before because whether changes anytime and you go follow am ba? Unstable beast. You know why i called you a beast? The bible says the antichrist is a beast and you are one.

Your end is described in the bible and you will so sorry for yourself.

Work out your own healing yourself since you do not believe God Mr Amputee.

Once again. You just proved that you are indeed very dull. Every well educated man would know that I was mocking you by using that bible quote against you. It does not mean I believe in it. There is a literary term for it. It is called sarcasm. Google and learn it. Jokes a part, you are very daft. Na overskill dey kill monkey shey you know ba? Please don't mention me again until you've learned how to conduct yourself properly in a public forum like this.

laribari:


Oh my!!! You are such a confused fellow Mr Amputee.

So you know God exist and even preached the gospel using James 1:5-6.

The problem i have with you is that you are so empty but you are activity.

For you to refer me to someone so that i can learn, it means the person is real and what He says is truth.

Deluded and confused fellow. Because Oyinbo people dey claim atheist you sef wan Join them.

Boasting of IQ, i haven't seen how you are better than me because you are not even sure of what you are doing.

what do you believe in Nature? You mumu never get name i told you before because whether changes anytime and you go follow am ba? Unstable beast. You know why i called you a beast? The bible says the antichrist is a beast and you are one.

Your end is described in the bible and you will so sorry for yourself.

Work out your own healing yourself since you do not believe God Mr Amputee.

Look at how u are embarrassing your almighty God... read ur post, how are u making sense?

AnalyticEngine:


Once again. You just proved that you are indeed very dull. Every well educated man would know that I was mocking you by using that bible quote against you. It does not mean I believe in it. There is a literary term for it. It is called sarcasm. Google and learn it. Jokes a part, you are very daft. Na overskill dey kill monkey shey you know ba? Please don't mention me again until you've learned how to conduct yourself properly in a public forum like this.

lol...

mr amputee, on a serious note you too funny. You are like a 10yrs old. mock? I know what i am doing and i'm just laughing at your foolishness. You are indeed like a whether. You dance to every tune i play. Mr Adviser, i thought you were advising someone against me that i use logic and you readily and steadily fall for it.

You are like a child, go get a soldier toy boy.

I refused to accept you stupid joke or sarcasm. I dictate the tune here, you just keep dancing mumu. Are you sure you are educated? you can't even figure out when someone is in your brain, messing things up. Well that is because you are daft Mr Amputee.


I AM WISER AND SMARTER THAN YOU because you have proved to be foolish.

Don't quote the scriptures again when you talk, quote from you book of nature you miserable one legged retard.

Na God you dey blame for your misery. Have enough faith and He will heal you.

If you do not know the bible why are you quoting it? That is because you have gone to the church to seek for healing for you amputed leg, you come dey find person to blame when you lack faith.


I told you i have you time.

I am waiting for you..................no shaking!

frank317:


Look at how u are embarrassing your almighty God... read ur post, how are u making sense?

you are stupid, you are not supposed to say that.

If you do not think God exist, don't tell me about Him, instead you should tell me He does not exist. If you refer me to Him it means He is real you just do not want to accept it.

Did He tell you He is embarassed? you are getting what you deserved and i don't regret one bit. You have guts to insult God and call Him names, now i'm talking you think He is embarrased? Can a wood be embarassed ode?

Shey you said He does not exist...

Me go give you like Elijah (fire for fire), no time for paparazi.

I go dey beg you, please nau, believe in God, He is real. what nonsense!!

I know you are lost already or when i deal with atheists, it's maximum treatment. I'm not here to convince you on anything.

I'm here for people like you. You nor see sey i mean una?
NO shaking.

laribari:



lol...

mr amputee, on a serious note you too funny. You are like a 10yrs old. mock? I know what i am doing and i'm just laughing at your foolishness. You are indeed like a whether. You dance to every tune i play. Mr Adviser, i thought you were advising someone against me that i use logic and you readily and steadily fall for it.

You are like a child, go get a soldier toy boy.

I refused to accept you stupid joke or sarcasm. I dictate the tune here, you just keep dancing mumu. Are you sure you are educated? you can't even figure out when someone is in your brain, messing things up. Well that is because you are daft Mr Amputee.


I AM WISER AND SMARTER THAN YOU because you have proved to be foolish.

Don't quote the scriptures again when you talk, quote from you book of nature you miserable one legged retard.

Na God you dey blame for your misery. Have enough faith and He will heal you.

If you do not know the bible why are you quoting it? That is because you have gone to the church to seek for healing for you amputed leg, you come dey find person to blame when you lack faith.


I told you i have you time.

I am waiting for you..................no shaking!

I am very sorry. I initially made a mistake. You are the most intelligent and well learned person I have ever come across. The way you approach issues shows maturity, decorum and unprecedented intellect. You are so intelligent that you had to mention it yourself.

As your humble and loyal subject, permit me to state that I never said you use logic, but SPURIOUS logic. Look up the meaning of the word 'spurious' and see how that adjective qualifies the word logic. But then who am I to educate such an intelligent and well enlightened person as you in basic english?

frank317:


Look at how u are embarrassing your almighty God... read ur post, how are u making sense?

I tell you. He is also shaming his fellow christians. I am very sure they feel embarrassed reading his posts

Blackfire:


ofcourse i know u will say or even do the same thing like them*laughing like osun state worker who just collected his salary*.

#ok let me put mouth on this topic, before dem blow me.
I learn one vital thing when u pray, there is always 3 responses.
1. ok : when ask GOD for something u get instant answer immediately.. The woman with an issue of blood.
2. Wait: this is one of the most difficult stage u can ever be, but the faithful giver tells u wait.. This is the time u even question where is God? Is like the more u pray the more things get complicated.. But in the end u ve what u asked for.. Example Abraham, job's trial.
3. No, capital NO, jump up jump down the answer is still no.. U as a lady Asking God to give u an already married man.

There is also permissive will and perfect will *i will talk on that later*.

Before i go there is what is called WANT and NEED..
Want is mostly to show off, while need is what u desire not just for yourself but to also bless others with it to the glory of God.

My o my. I wish we all can understand it the way you just put it. Wow. Thank you. The waiting period is so trying. That's when so many break out and say there's no God.
Learning to understand the mind of God is key to following him to where he has destined for us.
Recently, I studied Luke chpt 1. Talking about ZACHARIA and Elizabeth, they were walking righteously in the sight of God, blameless in all the commandments and requirements of God, but they had no child.
The modern Christian will call God wicked and insensitive. Is it even possible to find a blameless man, righteous and perfect? Yet these people were, but all their lives they believed God for a child and it never came until they grew old.
But, they waited.
There's something we don't understand, and it's this lack of understanding that's has caused the conflicts we have today. We are created for God, God didn't create us for ourselves. We are created for His Pleasure. His alone...
If he decides you die immediately you were born, you died
It's all his prerequisites.

So, let's wait, If he says wait.

AnalyticEngine:


I am not here to engage anyone. I'm here to present my findings. If I were to engage anyone, it definitely won't be you. Rather than present your facts, you'll rather garnish it with insults and foul languages which is expected of people without truth. I can imagine the conflict you always have with your co-workers or partner if you've manage to secure one.

: . Guy, whatever you decide, do. I owe you the seed of Satan nothing. If you think this is an insult, then, you have a lot coming.

Anas09:

My o my. I wish we all can understand it the way you just put it. Wow. Thank you. The waiting period is so trying. That's when so many break out and say there's no God.
Learning to understand the mind of God is key to following him to where he has destined for us.
Recently, I studied Luke chpt 1. Talking about ZACHARIA and Elizabeth, they were walking righteously in the sight of God, blameless in all the commandments and requirements of God, but they had no child.
The modern Christian will call God wicked and insensitive. Is it even possible to find a blameless man, righteous and perfect? Yet these people were, but all their lives they believed God for a child and it never came until they grew old.
But, they waited.
There's something we don't understand, and it's this lack of understanding that's has caused the conflicts we have today. We are created for God, God didn't create us for ourselves. We are created for His Pleasure. His alone...
If he decides you die immediately you were born, you died
It's all his prerequisites.

So, let's wait, If he says wait.

i have a blood relation who was married in 1996, a very down to earth person, he was the one that disvirgin her, he was not promiscuous.... Yet he had no child..he went to where he suppose to go and where he shouldn't go looking for solution..
Talk of hospital, they inject, he drank all kinds of concortion..yet no child.
When i cameback in some years back i told him, bros u will ve your own child, just relax go to your God and tell him why u want a child, pour out your heart.. The wife just delivered 2 months ago.. Making it 19 - 20 years.

*tears in my eyes*
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam coming

Blackfire:




i have a blood relation who was married in 1996, a very down to earth person, he was the one that disvirgin her, he was not promiscuous.... Yet he had no child..he went to where he suppose to go and where he shouldn't go looking for solution..
Talk of hospital, they inject, he drank all kinds of concortion..yet no child.
When i cameback in some years back i told him, bros u will ve your own child, just relax go to your God and tell him why u want a child, pour out your heart.. The wife just delivered 2 months ago.. Making it 19 - 20 years.

*tears in my eyes*
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam coming

Praise God. Am so happy for them. They waited...

laribari:


you are stupid, you are not supposed to say that.

If you do not think God exist, don't tell me about Him, instead you should tell me He does not exist. If you refer me to Him it means He is real you just do not want to accept it.

Did He tell you He is embarassed? you are getting what you deserved and i don't regret one bit. You have guts to insult God and call Him names, now i'm talking you think He is embarrased? Can a wood be embarassed ode?

Shey you said He does not exist...

Me go give you like Elijah (fire for fire), no time for paparazi.

I go dey beg you, please nau, believe in God, He is real. what nonsense!!

I know you are lost already or when i deal with atheists, it's maximum treatment. I'm not here to convince you on anything.

I'm here for people like you. You nor see sey i mean una?
NO shaking.

All I hear is blah blah blah blah blah... no God.

AnalyticEngine:


I tell you. He is also shaming his fellow christians. I am very sure they feel embarrassed reading his posts

Lol., The guy is a clown.. clown for Jehovah... seriously, I think it's nice having a clown around.

frank317:


All I hear is blah blah blah blah blah... no God.

Finally I'm thru with you and u av waned.

AnalyticEngine:


I am very sorry. I initially made a mistake. You are the most intelligent and well learned person I have ever come across. The way you approach issues shows maturity, decorum and unprecedented intellect. You are so intelligent that you had to mention it yourself.

As your humble and loyal subject, permit me to state that I never said you use logic, but SPURIOUS logic. Look up the meaning of the word 'spurious' and see how that adjective qualifies the word logic. But then who am I to educate such an intelligent and well enlightened person as you in basic english?

If success is only down to Education those school drop outs who became great men wouldn't have succeeded.

The truth is dat I do not have a problem with at first and I approached you different, showing ur some respect but you came at me first because I was trying to defend my own faith. Hence, you told me you don't like soft landing. That was challenging like you don't care how it comes after I said I will come hard.

Decorum, maturity etc. Do u know u guys crossed the line too? I have read a lot of insults on God and normally with maturity you talked about, you are supposed to respect other people's belief.

This thread was created to mock christianity and some of us are no nice. Sometimes u take violence by force according to scriptures and Decorum will not even be an issue any more.

I do not believe in Allah but I don't challenge Muslims because I leave my Muslim colleagues to their belief and we are good friends. I don't start up a fight. I think that is maturity enuf, but if they play reggae then they shall dance to the tune themselves.

Everyone have what they believe in.

AnalyticEngine:


I am very sorry. I initially made a mistake. You are the most intelligent and well learned person I have ever come across. The way you approach issues shows maturity, decorum and unprecedented intellect. You are so intelligent that you had to mention it yourself.

As your humble and loyal subject, permit me to state that I never said you use logic, but SPURIOUS logic. Look up the meaning of the word 'spurious' and see how that adjective qualifies the word logic. But then who am I to educate such an intelligent and well enlightened person as you in basic english?

If success is only down to Education those school drop outs who became great men wouldn't have succeeded.

The truth is dat I do not have a problem with at first and I approached you different, showing ur some respect but you came at me first because I was trying to defend my own faith. Hence, you told me you don't like soft landing. That was challenging like you don't care how it comes after I said I will come hard.

Decorum, maturity etc. Do u know u guys crossed the line too? I have read a lot of insults on God and normally with maturity you talked about, you are supposed to respect other people's belief.

This thread was created to mock christianity and some of us are no nice. Sometimes u take violence by force according to scriptures and Decorum will not even be an issue any more.

I do not believe in Allah but I don't challenge Muslims because I leave my Muslim colleagues to their belief and we are good friends. I don't start up a fight. I think that is maturity enuf, but if they play reggae then they shall dance to the tune themselves.

Everyone have what they believe in.

Now I'm claim like the first time I spoke with you

No shaking!

laribari:


If success is only down to Education those school drop outs who became great men wouldn't have succeeded.

The truth is dat I do not have a problem with at first and I approached you different, showing ur some respect but you came at me first because I was trying to defend my own faith. Hence, you told me you don't like soft landing. That was challenging like you don't care how it comes after I said I will come hard.

Decorum, maturity etc. Do u know u guys crossed the line too? I have read a lot of insults on God and normally with maturity you talked about, you are supposed to respect other people's belief.

This thread was created to mock christianity and some of us are no nice. Sometimes u take violence by force according to scriptures and Decorum will not even be an issue any more.

I do not believe in Allah but I don't challenge Muslims because I leave my Muslim colleagues to their belief and we are good friends. I don't start up a fight. I think that is maturity enuf, but if they play reggae then they shall dance to the tune themselves.

Everyone have what they believe in.

Now I'm claim like the first time I spoke with you

No shaking!

So if people insult God it is you that will fight for him by insulting them back? You claim you have this God that created the universe,A God who is so powerful and can do all things yet it is you that he relies on to insult those that insult it. Isn't that enough evidence to show you that such a God only lives inside your head? No God that is alive will rely on a failure like you to even do anything on it's behalf. Only a God that lives inside your head will do that.

dalaman:


So if people insult God it is you that will fight for him by insulting them back? You claim you have this God that created the universe,A God who is so powerful and can do all things yet it is you that he relies on to insult those that insult it. Isn't that enough evidence to show you that such a God only lives inside your head? No God that is alive will rely on a failure like you to even do anything on it's behalf. Only a God that lives inside your head will do that.

Dude, by now you should know I'm at least enlightened and can always use your words again you cos when I read, I just see flares.

OK let me correct you.

I am not fighting for God because He is going to judge the world anyways.

When Peter cut off someone's ear Jesus rebuked him. No one fights for God, it's just that sometimes you just have to respond to some people especially the heady ones. Christianity is always taken for a ride because it is peaceful but you can't try that with Muslims if they won't slaughter you.

God in my head? I consider that disrespectful and an insult but I see you don't like peace ba? I go change am for you shortly.

phewww, na wa for you guys, your blood dey hot badly. You people should take life easy, why so serious, lol.

EL ELYON/Most High is currently not in control of present world but people like odin, thor, zeus, apollo, horus has been ruling and now its time of jesus, muhammad and oh....guru marahaji

I will show you two things from Bible
1. Exit of Elyon
2. Return of Elyon

Job 22:15-17 Hast thou marked the old way which wicked men have trodden? Which were cut down out of time, whose foundation was overflown with a flood: Which said unto God, Depart from us: and what can the Almighty do for them?

Elyon actually left realm of life long ago: Lord of Host is different from Elyon, Lord of Host who is The Highest Arch Angel has been in charge since then and it was The Host of Angels that orchestrated the Flood to wipe the bastards who said they can rule themselves.
Gen 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
Gen 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air

Gen 6:6 =>Elyon
Gen 6:7 =>Lord of Host

Return of Elyon:
Isa 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful Counsellor, The Mighty God/Most High/ELYON The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

How could Most High/Alpha&Omega/Ancient of days have been translated to a jewish man who claim to have been sent remain unknown.

Dont people comprehend words: how can a created be Alpha?

Elyon has 3fold Destiny
-Creator/Founder
-Saviour
-Dominion

People like jesus want to become saviour so to 'steal' Dominion but all have failed.

You all dont know this: Elyon sacrificed previous Host Body to create Human species and exploded in the Sacrifice at foundation of world Rev13:8 not a slowpoke who died 2000yrs ago.

Elyon will return as plain man then one day, Heaven will open and Lord of Host will sound/voice of an Arch Angel then will lift-up/rapture Elyon from earth and will be wax strong with Angels to form Supreme Being again.
2 Esdra 13:1-4 And it came to pass after seven days, I dreamed a dream by night: And, lo, there arose a wind from the sea, that it moved all the waves thereof. And I beheld, and, lo, that man waxed strong with the thousands of heaven: and when he turned his countenance to look, all the things trembled that were seen under him. And whensoever the voice went out of his mouth, all they burned that heard his voice, like as the earth faileth when it feeleth the fire.

Note: Esdra not Ezra

This vision is what jesus and his troop tried to fulfill:
Dan 11:14 the robbers of thy people shall exalt themselves to establish the vision; but they shall fall.

the man of 2000 years ago who claimed to be Yeshua said kingdom of Paradise will come during his time because he was so sure Host will chose him instead of Elyon but no-no-no===>failed

Jehovah =Yashua=> Jehovah Saves.

Jehovah is The Annointed:Messiah not a son or emmisarry : Greatest Anointing is Ability to SELF EXIST and only Elyon possess ability to exist after First Death of Body and Second Death of Soul. Death on cross is 1st death which never proof power over Death

When Elyon become All Powerful Supreme Being again, this will happen:
Rev 11:15 The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord(Host), and of his Christ(Elyon); and he shall reign for ever and ever.
Isa 65:24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.

So, if Elyon isnt readily available, know it was human ancestor that drove Elyon away. What religion feeds today is Lies and Rubbish

Even while Elyon has not been Physically present in universe, The Non Existence state offers a Presence but only works when there's truth

Isa 59:3 For your hands are defiled with blood, and your fingers with iniquity; your lips have spoken lies, your tongue hath muttered perverseness.None calleth for justice, nor any pleadeth for truth: they trust in vanity, and speak lies; they conceive mischief, and bring forth iniquity.

All these pastors and prophets are Blind to Mystery of Universe; they only see vision to feed their belly

dalaman:
So there is this all powerful, almighty God that can do all things who exist but is solely relying on image123 to explain it's mysterious ways to others in a convoluted , lame and ridiculous way. The bible is very clear on how prayers are supposed to work. Jesus promised his followers answered prayers many many times. He even stated that these are signs that will follow those who believe in him. Are there any signs following any christian today? Are christians living better, experiencing less harm or havoc compared to non christians in the world today? Are christians having it any easier than others? The answers is NO. Despite their claims of my father in heaven will guide me, help me , protect me and do things for me. No evidence to show that christians are better protected or helped more than non christians at all. We are all just groping in the dark and struggling on our own. As someone said the words of the bible have expired in the real world. Miracles are just make belief and illusions. Clear cut miracles do not exist. If they do we will not be having this conversation. If christianity is true you image123 will be going about healing amputees because Jesus PROMISED you that. He said as he is going back to heaven those of you that believe in him will do GREATER things than him. We were told in stories that he walked on water and was a great miracle worker that also healed amputees. If these stories are true then you should be doing what he promised you. These are just mythological stories. Do you believe that Prophet Mohammed divided the moon into two halves? Why or why not? You believe the Jesus stories and refuse to believe the Mohammed one simply because you were born into and indoctrinated with the Jesus stories over the Mohammed stories. If you were born in India you would have been a Hindu and believe in very different stores that talk and explain Indian myths, miracles and legands The fact is these stories are simply false and they worry you so much that is why you came up with a thread to try to explain them away by saying God works in mysterious ways and that his ways are not our ways. If your God works in mysterious ways and we can never understand him, then why should we have anything to do with something we can never understand? If your God exist as you claim he will never rely on a person like you to explain him to anybody . Just read the replies of this thread and see how terrible your explanation has failed. Only a non existent God that lives in your head will rely on you to explain him to others. A God that truly exist will do that himself.

Lol, this is quite a myopic view to think that in the whole world, SOLELY Image123 is teaching others about God. You need exposure mr man. Go around, there are teachers, evangelists, preachers, men of God in every continent more powerful, coherent and visible than Image123. Yes, The bible is very clear on how prayers are supposed to work. There are conditions and instances abound in the Bible of different such situations. i have even given 4 personal testimonies in the OP if you cared to read, but you overlook them to ask if there are signs today. Bible does not PROMISE christians living better, experiencing less harm or havoc compared to non christians. On the contrary, Jesus Himself said to His followers.(Joh 16:33 In the world ye shall have tribulation: but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world. ) Heaven is the true and lasting hope of every believer, and that is where God promises to wipe away all tear, sorrow and pain. (1Pe 5:9 knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world. ) Any one telling you otherwise is either as ignorant as you are, or not telling you a full gospel but half-truth, and what is usually referred to as "prosperity gospel".
Yet, does God help or intervene? Certainly, i gave 4 personal instances and there are many more both personal and otherwise. The PRIMARY thing we are guaranteed of is SALVATION from sin, this is why His name is Jesus. This one everybody that believes receives certainly. Other additions are not that certain, you may get it you may not get it, based on several factors. That you or your friend did not get it does not mean that nobody has or can ever get it, whether healing or any other divine help. Those are secondary to the plan of God, but He does do them.
What is your definition of clear cut miracle? Does who have received miracles know and are not shaken by internet rants. You are not the one to define christianity or what true christianity is. You don't even have a clue. Your definition of true christianity is Image123 going about healing amputees, you sure do overrate your IQ. Who made you definer? Where did Jesus say that true christianity is going about healing amputees? Your lying and dishonesty does not hide the facts away from you, when you open your eyes, they are still there.
True, we are to do greater things than what He did here on earth but we need to understand the context. He's not saying every christian will walk on water literally or we would feed 15,000 since He fed 5,000. What are important works to God/Jesus? Is it miracles? No. If it were, then why would God not heal the sick, like the thread title asks? There are things greater than healing the sick. The salvation and conversion of the soul is a greater work than any lame walking or blind seeing or amputee healing. The unity and fellowship with God and the indwelling of the Spirit of God is a much greater work to God than HIV or cancer disappearing. These are the things that are critical and foundational and eternal. These are greater works. You can be sick and poor and helpless as it were and be saved and go to Heaven eternally. You can be healed of ebola and receive rain of dollars through prayer and disappear from Nigeria to any country of choice at will, and still spend eternity without God. Which is greater and more important?
About Prophet Mohammed and any other religion including atheism, i do not need to believe them or disbelieve them. i could not care less if they moved the Sun into a cave and back. It is of no consequence to me whether true or not. i believe Jesus because He died for the sins of the world, and He literally gives new life to those that believe Him. i have experienced it and seen numerous others experience it and the change, the joy, the life and the hope. Not at all because of where i was born. Were you not born into and indoctrinated with the Jesus stories, dalaman? Were most of your other atheistic friends not born into and indoctrinated with the Jesus stories? Why then do you presumptuously and naively assume that that is all that makes one a christian? You really need to outgrow such myopic viewpoint, expand your world view. Don't let these atheist websites limit and shrink it into such ludicrous closemindedness. there are millions of christians in India and from India, there are great and popular preachers and teleevangelists from India, do you live in the bush? How would you assume that once someone is born in India, he has to be an Hindu.
BTW, i never said that we can never understand God. You can show where i said so. You are not the first atheist on this thread claiming that i said so. If you have issues misreading me, how would you cope with religious books?lol.

frank317:


Ur words not the creator's.

i like that, so there is the Creator?

Like I said, I can never take you serious because you are an ordinary mortal.

That is ridiculous, it means you have never taken any ordinary mortal serious right? How many immortals have you taken serious?

Everything u said about the creator (if there is one) is what u (an ordinary human) think he should be like or what u read in a book in which other men put down what they think the creator should look like.

What i have said is what is in the Bible. If you have any thing i have said that is not in the Bible about God, kindly present it. Thanks. Where do you want it written for it to be real, your physics or literature textbook?

Again, this God in ur head... he can't maintain being God and not expect human to maintain being humans. Humans feel pain, stressed, frustrated, when bad things happen to us. If being God is more important to him than seeing that our requests are responded to at the time we need it, then he has no business being anybody's God.
But if you are happy with such a God... Good luck worshiping such a confused, egoistic entity.

You cry more than the bereaved really. Why? It's a question, kindly answer. Jordyn Castor was born blind and is still blind. She is a believer in God and currently a university student in the US, MSU majoring in Computer technology. All these names i mention are easily verifiable on the internet BTW. i think i've earlier mentioned Fanny Crosby, Anne J Flint, Horatio Spafford, Nick. These are not even Nigerians, neither do they all live in the slums of poverty Africa. They have also being through pain, stress, frustration, really bad things happening to them. Yet they are stronger believers than many others. Your thinking pain is an indication of no God is a senseless fallacy.

frank317:


Seriously, the guy is not worth any attention, he lacks reasoning capacity and just like KingEbuka, he is basking in his silliness.

What's your obsession with me . I am way smarter than you , deal with it .

What's wrong with this guy

Image123:

i like that, so there is the Creator?


That is ridiculous, it means you have never taken any ordinary mortal serious right? How many immortals have you taken serious?


What i have said is what is in the Bible. If you have any thing i have said that is not in the Bible about God, kindly present it. Thanks. Where do you want it written for it to be real, your physics or literature textbook?



You cry more than the bereaved really. Why? It's a question, kindly answer. Jordyn Castor was born blind and is still blind. She is a believer in God and currently a university student in the US, MSU majoring in Computer technology. All these names i mention are easily verifiable on the internet BTW. i think i've earlier mentioned Fanny Crosby, Anne J Flint, Horatio Spafford, Nick. These are not even Nigerians, neither do they all live in the slums of poverty Africa. They have also being through pain, stress, frustration, really bad things happening to them. Yet they are stronger believers than many others. Your thinking pain is an indication of no God is a senseless fallacy.

Nice one bro . Nigerian atheists have a penchant for making very poor arguments .

AnalyticEngine:

There are tons of issues bro. If we start dissecting scriptures now we will derail this thread. Let's look at some core christian concepts:

Good, let us not derail the thread. i will however answer briefly to the issues you raised, if you have further queries, you may open a thread and mention me. Seeing you claim to have tons of issues, prioritise accordingly, not the aimless amputee stuff as usual.

1. Trinity: If God, Jesus and the holy spirit are one, who then is sitted at the right hand of God. Where then is the Holy Spirit

Trinity is NOT a core christian concept. you do not need to understand or believe the trinity to be saved or to live with God eternally. The thief at the cross of Jesus who got saved and was with Jesus knew zilch about Trinity or no Trinity. Doctrine is good and has its advantages though.

2. And this signs shall follow them that believe...how many people do you know are walking in the reality of this? The easiest of these signs is speaking in tongues because any body can speak gibberish and count it as tongues with the defense that its only God that understands.

All who believe. It is unto you according to your faith. If you can believe, you will see. Not ALL the signs follow ALL that believe BTW. However, signs and wonders do follow believers, i'm sure you can attest to some.

3. If only God answers up to 10% of our prayers, the world would be a better place. Again, some will say it is because of our lack of faith/inconsistency with the will of God etc that is responsible

Correct.

4. Check out the contradictions. For the sake of space, I'll highlight one: John the baptist said he is not Elijah (John 1:20). Jesus said John is Elijah (Matt 11:14)

No contradiction, just misunderstanding from your part. John the Baptist is not Elijah verse 21 BTW, however, he is the one(the Elijah) that was to come, if ye will receive it. If you will understand it.

5. Jesus (Ominipotent God) made it clear that his second coming will be during the time of the disciples (Matt 16:28), (Mark 9:1), (Luke 9:27). Please read the while chapter to get a full grasp of what Christ was talking about. I wonder what christians have to say about this

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.
Luk 9:27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

i guess you meant to say omniscient. Seeing the kingdom of God is NOT Jesus' second coming. The disciples had a foretaste of the Kingdom in the following verses at the Transfiguration evidently. they also partook of the divine nature and resurrected life even after Pentecost, for the kingdom of God is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost. The three disciples saw Jesus in His glorified state, like He would come in the Kingdom, Peter also attested to it.

6. I have heard of people getting healed but not an amputee. Please why? The same power that is available to heal cancer, mental disorder, blood group, raise dead should be available to generate a new arm.

You've not heard it all, have you? What did you do with what you heard, did you believe?

7. If God wants us to live by faith, why did he give us brains to think and rationalise issues?

The truth is I wish there was a God and the bible is true. But then I have to call a spade a spade. I was really disappointed to discover that I have been dwelling in fallacy.

Faith is not anti-thinking, God commands His children to THINK lovely things that bring good report and praiseworthy. God thinks, so why shouldn't you think? Faith without works is dead, and faith is not irrational, it is only greater than logic.

Image123:


Good, let us not derail the thread. i will however answer briefly to the issues you raised, if you have further queries, you may open a thread and mention me. Seeing you claim to have tons of issues, prioritise accordingly, not the aimless amputee stuff as usual.



Trinity is NOT a core christian concept. you do not need to understand or believe the trinity to be saved or to live with God eternally. The thief at the cross of Jesus who got saved and was with Jesus knew zilch about Trinity or no Trinity. Doctrine is good and has its advantages though

If the relationship between Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit is been confused, what makes you think other core doctrines are not still jamborees?

Image123:

All who believe. It is unto you according to your faith. If you can believe, you will see. Not ALL the signs follow ALL that believe BTW. However, signs and wonders do follow believers, i'm sure you can attest to some.






No contradiction, just misunderstanding from your part. John the Baptist is not Elijah verse 21 BTW, however, he is the one(the Elijah) that was to come, if ye will receive it. If you will understand it.

I wonder why the so called gospel will be equivocal. Your response was carefully constructed to conceal the fact. Jesus said he will return, christians believe he will. Similarly, God had said elijah would come, but instead he sent John the baptist. What similarity does John have with Elijah? Did John perform even one single miracle like Elijah? Aside being a prophet, what other element can we find to be common between the duo? By your logic, it is possible that at resurrection, someone else migh come instead of Jesus claiming to be in the spirit of Jesus

Image123:

Mat 16:27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works.

Mat 16:28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

i guess you meant to say omniscient. Seeing the kingdom of God is NOT Jesus' second coming. The disciples had a foretaste of the Kingdom in the following verses at the Transfiguration evidently. they also partook of the divine nature and resurrected life even after Pentecost, for the kingdom of God is righteousness, peace and joy in the Holy Ghost. The three disciples saw Jesus in His glorified state, like He would come in the Kingdom, Peter also attested to it.

I meant omniscient, thanks for pointing that out.

Clearly, you did not read the preceding verses. I have included verse Mat 16:27 so you could take a holistic view of the subject. Jesus was talking about the end of days. He said he will come, give rewards and he also promised that some of his listeners will witness it. The only explanation to this issue is that some of his listeners are still alive till date or rapture has taken place. If the bible is true anyway. Please, read chapter 16 again with an open mind.

Image123:




You've not heard it all, have you? What did you do with what you heard, did you believe?

It is not as though I didn't believe or I just don't want to believe. I was a firm believer and I had faith. I don't expect you to believe me. Christians would say I was not truly born again or just a nominal Christian and all that...but the fact is I was a christian who has preached, taught and spread a message I thought was true until I decided to seek for truth with an open mind. If you look at the rate at which people are dying of starvation, you would know that if God truly existed or gave a damn about humanity, it wouldn't be so. No degree of offence warrants such negligence and even if it does,why not God take their life if He cannot/doesn't want to help them? Instead, God is giving people promotion in urban areas because people are sowing seed and paying tithes (though there is no way of verifying that their success is as a result of fulfilling some divine obligations).

Matt 6:31-33 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31 “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.

How can you reconcile Matt 6:31:33 with a loving God who created the universe when there are people dying of lack of food, without saying "God in his infinite wisdom knows why"? According to the bible, God created the universe and everything he says will come to pass. If only God can cause crops to produce food in these arid regions where people are dying of starvation, one could at least present a reasonable argument in favour of God's existence.

The Truth is there is hidden knowledge that some influential people are concealing. They are personalities who are custodians of hidden truths under the guise of the God-Satan paradigm. What we call miracles are simply advanced science and one day it will be unravelled.

Image123:

Faith is not anti-thinking, God commands His children to THINK lovely things that bring good report and praiseworthy. God thinks, so why shouldn't you think? Faith without works is dead, and faith is not irrational, it is only greater than logic.

The Faith-concept was carefully designed to trap monotheists in their gullibility. Faith rarely works for things that we can visualise in order to attest to its authenticity. Faith will cure headache, heal internal diseases but will not cure a man with bow leg, broken bones, skin infection etc. pls let's be reasonable. The only sign that believers love to display is speaking in tongues and that is because any Tom and Dick can speak any kind of gibberish and have 'Faith' that he is speaking with God. In my university days (I attended Fellowship of Christian Students), we often get admonished on the need to lean on God for success but we must also work hard. That's the problem. A hardworking and diligent person will succeed irrespective of his/faith! When a person works hard, makes good grades and secures employment, he now says it is God who gave him the job. Christians are truly gullible. If I have passion for something (which christians sometimes call faith), I go for it and I succeed.

I don't need to create another thread for this. I had long forgotten about the existence of your thread until you mentioned me. In future, if you don't want me to post on your thread, don't mention me.

AnalyticEngine:


If the relationship between Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit is been confused, what makes you think other core doctrines are not still jamborees?

Trinity or any other christian doctrine is NOT a jamboree and i never implied that. You claimed that it is a CORE christian concept and i said , no it is not. What is CORE and fundamental in christianity are the basics of faith in God and repentance, which is the true gospel. Others are not foundational or core. Anything can be confused, like the beginning of the earth, or the shape of the earth, or the composition of the Sun, or even your name. It does not mean that the truth does not exist.

I wonder why the so called gospel will be equivocal. Your response was carefully constructed to conceal the fact. Jesus said he will return, christians believe he will. Similarly, God had said elijah would come, but instead he sent John the baptist. What similarity does John have with Elijah? Did John perform even one single miracle like Elijah? Aside being a prophet, what other element can we find to be common between the duo? By your logic, it is possible that at resurrection, someone else migh come instead of Jesus claiming to be in the spirit of Jesus

The Word of God is wonderful, and His name is Wonderful, so it is no surprise that you wonder. i did not conceal anything, i only explained the facts to you. In the higher institution, i had this Professor who also had this close guy to him. The guy wasn't really a staff or Assistant Lecturer, but he was like the Prof's boy. If you wanted less issues, you'd go to this guy. He knows what the Prof wants, says and means. Even though Prof addresses us in English language, and we speak the same local dialect, this guy still understands what exactly Prof means and expects us to do. And when we follow him, he's almost always right.
In a similar vein, even though the Word of God is written in English language, one and basically, we need the help of the Holy Spirit to understand clearly. And two, people like us who understand God better and are like teachers of the Word, know what God is saying more than the rest of us. So, you should move closer to us(lol) if you want to understand. i'm kidding, but the point is, you sometimes need teachers to explain things to you, even though they are written using normal alphabets and numbers. Jesus said He will return, He said it [size=13pt]many times[/size]. Elijah NEVER said that he will return. To be clear of any doubt, the angels said THIS SAME Jesus will return, so it is not another person or someone else.
Act 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

It is the Word of God that said Elijah will come, it is the same Word of God that we should look to for interpretation of what is meant. That same God explained what is meant to Zechariah the father of John. Jesus Christ explained to His disciples. So if you are not taking their explanation, who will answer? Here is the prophecy.
Mal 4:5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Mal 4:6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Here it is clearly told to Zechariah even before John was born.
Luk 1:16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
Luk 1:17 And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elijah, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

i usually tell people not to just take one passage or line of the Bible and rigidly run away or insist. Take the whole Bible together, take the full revelation. Here is the issue been explained to Zechariah that his son John is the one been referred to, and that he will go in the spirit and power of Elijah. Jesus Himself who is the Word clearly affirms it that it is John that is referred to. Even if John says 1+1=2 and Jesus says it is 4, we know that Jesus automatically overrides John. There is no controversy or contest, Jesus is Lord and even John attests to this. However, that is not even the situation here. Jesus says.
Mat 17:12 But I say unto you, That Elijah is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them.
Mat 17:13 Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.
Mar 9:13 But I say unto you, That Elijah is indeed come, and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed, as it is written of him.

What similarity does John have with Elijah? John came in the spirit and power of Elijah. John and Elijah exercised the same kind of 'eccentricity' and crudity. More importantly, the both turned the hearts of the people to God in a time of backsliding and national lukewarmness. That is the power. Miracles are not necessarily power. The way man reasons is different from God's. What is powerful to God is the turning of men's hearts in repentance and national revival, which both Elijah and John brought. They were both hated for speaking the truth to the king. Elijah was representative of all the prophets and John himself was the greatest prophet ever, according to Jesus. Finally, look at John's answer and the question. In fairness, John was right, he was not Elijah. It is not a reincarnation or abiku. They are two different human beings.
Joh 1:21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elijah? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that Prophet? And he answered, No.

I meant omniscient, thanks for pointing that out.

Clearly, you did not read the preceding verses. I have included verse Mat 16:27 so you could take a holistic view of the subject. Jesus was talking about the end of days. He said he will come, give rewards and he also promised that some of his listeners will witness it. The only explanation to this issue is that some of his listeners are still alive till date or rapture has taken place. If the bible is true anyway. Please, read chapter 16 again with an open mind.

i read and even quoted the preceding verse 27 before you. You can check up again in your last reply to me. Clearly, you are making mistakes. My point being that you do not know it all neither are you above mistakes. Therefore, allow yourself to be corrected in areas where you clearly do not have the required understanding. PROPHECY is not always in context, in fact it is rarely in context. When you talk about the Word of God, you need the Spirit of God, and a truly holistic view to understanding it well. Holistic is not just two verses BTW, holistic is in congruence and with respect to every other passage of the Scriptures. So evidently, no be small work. The Holy Spirit usually makes it a piece of cake though. One thing clear about Jesus's 'speeches' is that they are not like your everyday composition or novel or comprehension passage. The people who heard Jesus live often misunderstood Him, so your case is not surprising. Even His disciples had a challenge. It is evident in the same chapter 16 that you said i should read. If you had indeed read it with an open mind, you will see that most of the words there were not even in context.
Mat 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
Mat 16:7 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread.
Mat 16:9 Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?

Jesus is clearly talking about bread, but it is a different kind of bread. All the disciples missed it with their reasoning. His Words are Spirit and Life, not just reasoning. People misunderstood Him severally, and even His personality. Even when Peter mentioned His personality, He could only have understood by the Spirit according to Jesus. Same chapter.
Mat 16:13 When Jesus came into the coasts of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, saying, Whom do men say that I the Son of man am?
Mat 16:14 And they said, Some say that thou art John the Baptist: some, Elijah; and others, Jeremiah, or one of the prophets.

The same chapter, Peter misunderstands Jesus yet and begins to rebuke Him. And in a most surprising move, Jesus talks to Satan in Peter.
Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offense unto me: for thou savorest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.

It is very clear that what Jesus says is not just about context or structure or lexis, it is more a thing of spiritual understanding. Peter, James and John were taken to see Jesus transfigured about a week after He said so. Of the three men, only Peter recorded this and his record in Mark's gospel makes a more accurate rendering. You can see it is in another paragraph/division/chapter.
Mar 8:38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.
Mar 9:1 And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Those three saw Jesus Christ in His transfigured, glorified, Kingdom of God state. They saw Moses and Elijah and heard the voice of God. they did not even want to leave there again. This is what is meant, this is the explanation.

It is not as though I didn't believe or I just don't want to believe. I was a firm believer and I had faith. I don't expect you to believe me. Christians would say I was not truly born again or just a nominal Christian and all that...but the fact is I was a christian who has preached, taught and spread a message I thought was true until I decided to seek for truth with an open mind. If you look at the rate at which people are dying of starvation, you would know that if God truly existed or gave a damn about humanity, it wouldn't be so. No degree of offence warrants such negligence and even if it does,why not God take their life if He cannot/doesn't want to help them? Instead, God is giving people promotion in urban areas because people are sowing seed and paying tithes (though there is no way of verifying that their success is as a result of fulfilling some divine obligations).

Matt 6:31-33 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith? 31 “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.

How can you reconcile Matt 6:31:33 with a loving God who created the universe when there are people dying of lack of food, without saying "God in his infinite wisdom knows why"? According to the bible, God created the universe and everything he says will come to pass. If only God can cause crops to produce food in these arid regions where people are dying of starvation, one could at least present a reasonable argument in favour of God's existence.

The Truth is there is hidden knowledge that some influential people are concealing. They are personalities who are custodians of hidden truths under the guise of the God-Satan paradigm. What we call miracles are simply advanced science and one day it will be unravelled.

Why should i not believe you, i'm a believer, you are the unbeliever nah. What is mine own with disbelieving that you were a firm christian? i have said for instance that i believe HardMirror(that one that ran away from me) was a christian, but i have not been able to say the same for many other copy and paste atheists here, whose only thing was that they were born in church or followed their parents to church, or were religious. That is the usual case, most of them try to tell us that they were once strong christians but they cannot show it. They had no testimony, they never met the Lord or repented or gave their lives to Jesus. They were just people who found themselves in church or in choir. If you were born again, good for you. You made a mistake to backslide. People like dankol and i cant remember this guys name that wrote a parody about Job, they did not backslide. Backslide from where nah, they were simply religious until they found something else.
The perspective of God is simply different to yours. The LORD was teaching you that people need more than food to live--they need every word that the LORD has spoken. People need more than food to live. If hunger is your problem, it is not God's problem. There is enough food and land in the world to sustain us all. You may die hungry and go to Heaven. you may never be hungry on earth for your 99years on earth, but have to beg Lazarus for eternity for a drop of water. So all that hunger perspective, you've got it all wrong. Your humanist viewpoint and enthusiasm for autonomy is not a luxury normally available to the majority poor. We're thinking Sustainable Goals, right? Your viewpoint is not sustainable.

The Faith-concept was carefully designed to trap monotheists in their gullibility. Faith rarely works for things that we can visualise in order to attest to its authenticity. Faith will cure headache, heal internal diseases but will not cure a man with bow leg, broken bones, skin infection etc. pls let's be reasonable. The only sign that believers love to display is speaking in tongues and that is because any Tom and Dick can speak any kind of gibberish and have 'Faith' that he is speaking with God. In my university days (I attended Fellowship of Christian Students), we often get admonished on the need to lean on God for success but we must also work hard. That's the problem. A hardworking and diligent person will succeed irrespective of his/faith! When a person works hard, makes good grades and secures employment, he now says it is God who gave him the job. Christians are truly gullible. If I have passion for something (which christians sometimes call faith), I go for it and I succeed.

I don't need to create another thread for this. I had long forgotten about the existence of your thread until you mentioned me. In future, if you don't want me to post on your thread, don't mention me.

You are clearly limited and lack exposure. Go out and see miracles, at least you attest to the fact that faith can cure headaches and heal internal diseases. Thanks be to God. i would rather have a faith that cures headaches and heals heart disease, kidney problem, liver problem, sickle cell anemia etc. The 4 testimonies in my OP are also proof that faith works and God heals all kinds of sickness and hears prayer. If you need more proof, seek more exposure. Stop being a lazy armchair critic. Go out. For instance, go to Living Faith Otta, or Redeemed Campground, or Mountain of Fire, or even the more conservative Deeper Life. Go to any of their crusadelike programmes and see things for yourself. Go and interview the testifiers of mind boggling testimonies, or bring your own problems to test. i'm not recommending/condemning any of the churches mentioned BTW. Reasons for mentioning them are personal experiences that miracles take place there, and they are fairly popular. Whether they have correct doctrine or teaching is another matter, but for sign seekers like you, you can go and enjoy yourself instead of the continual myopia you subject yourself needlessly to. Faith without works is dead, even the Bible says that. Your perspective and definition of faith as something that should not include works is alien and from your bedroom. Faith does not say you should not work hard or think, in fact it encourages you to.

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Trinity or any other christian doctrine is NOT a jamboree and i never implied that. You claimed that it is a CORE christian concept and i said , no it is not. What is CORE and fundamental in christianity are the basics of faith in God and repentance, which is the true gospel.

That Trinity is not a fundamental doctrine in your denomination doesn't mean it isn't in others. Obviously, you are among the few minority that don't consider Trinity a core concept. Churches like Ecwa, RCCG, etc will not agree with you on this one. You might want to also look up: christianity.about.com/od/christiandoctrines/a/basicdoctrines.htm

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Others are not foundational or core. Anything can be confused, like the beginning of the earth, or the shape of the earth, or the composition of the Sun, or even your name. It does not mean that the truth does not exist.

So those scientists that believed the earth was flat, were they right? Were they not disproved by Galileo? That's exactly what will happen the moment man sustains enough intelligence to unravel the mysteries behind what we call the spiritual realm

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What similarity does John have with Elijah? John came in the spirit and power of Elijah. John and Elijah exercised the same kind of 'eccentricity' and crudity. More importantly, the both turned the hearts of the people to God in a time of backsliding and national lukewarmness. That is the power. Miracles are not necessarily power. The way man reasons is different from God's. What is powerful to God is the turning of men's hearts in repentance and national revival, which both Elijah and John brought. They were both hated for speaking the truth to the king. Elijah was representative of all the prophets and John himself was the greatest prophet ever, according to Jesus. Finally, look at John's answer and the question. In fairness, John was right, he was not Elijah. It is not a reincarnation or abiku. They are two different human beings.
Joh 1:21 And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elijah? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that Prophet? And he answered, No.

All you are doing here is to force jive scriptures to suit what you believe. The same way I can prove that God is blind by saying; if God is love and love is blind, therefore God is blind. When given a result, series of explanations could be postulated to explain it. Apart form coming in the spirit and power of Elijah, all the other similarities that you claim exist between John and Elijah are boundless and unconfined and any prophet can fit into it especially Jeremiah, Isaiah and even Elisha. Nehemiah, Ezra the scribe etc. can even fit into it. The jews were known for always backsliding right from the time of Moses, to Joshua, to the Judges, up to the birth of Jesus and prophets were sent regularly to warn the people. In all sincerity, your usage of the Holy Spirit to interpret scripture is a nothing but a scheme to dodge discrepancie and turn the table around, telling people who don't agree with clear cut discrepancies that its because they've not got the Holy Spirit that's why they cannot understand. I am however glad that you admitted that John is not Elijah and that was all I was trying to point out.

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I read and even quoted the preceding verse 27 before you. You can check up again in your last reply to me. Clearly, you are making mistakes. My point being that you do not know it all neither are you above mistakes.

There you go. You never quoted matt 16:27. I was the one that deliberately edited your post by incorporating it in my reply, hoping you'll see my point clearly. It looked as though it was your original post. And because you were careless enough not to compare your original post with the one I mentioned you, you jumped into premature conclusion. It then served as a base point from which you shot your arrows of judgement about my personality. Now in your own judgement, who is the one with the mistake here? This is exactly how you perceive people based on what you sense and claim it is the Holy Spirit leading you. This is how you confidently jump into gullies with both feet only to meet disaster.

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Therefore, allow yourself to be corrected in areas where you clearly do not have the required understanding.

This has been fixed. You now know who needs to be corrected. I make no claims of knowing everything about the bible, one thing I know for sure is that if there is a possibility that there is God, then he definitely does not meet the bible description.

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PROPHECY is not always in context, in fact it is rarely in context. When you talk about the Word of God, you need the Spirit of God, and a truly holistic view to understanding it well. Holistic is not just two verses BTW, holistic is in congruence and with respect to every other passage of the Scriptures. So evidently, no be small work.

Thanks for schooling me in english. You seem to pride yourself in explaining things that are weakly relevant. Obviously, if we are to take a holistic view of the prophetic revelation of rapture and the second coming of Jesus, we will network scriptures from genesis to revelations. But the subject at hand is pivoted on the link between verse 27 and verse 28 of Matt 16 and so these two verses are sufficient enough to make a holistic analysis of the subject at hand, that is the link between verse 27 and verse 28 and not necessarily the prophecy. According to these verses, the Son of man will come with his angels and some of the listeners will witness it. That is what is implied there.

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The Holy Spirit usually makes it a piece of cake though. One thing clear about Jesus's 'speeches' is that they are not like your everyday composition or novel or comprehension passage. The people who heard Jesus live often misunderstood Him, so your case is not surprising. Even His disciples had a challenge. It is evident in the same chapter 16 that you said i should read. If you had indeed read it with an open mind, you will see that most of the words there were not even in context.
Mat 16:6 Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
Mat 16:7 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread.
Mat 16:9 Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
Jesus is clearly talking about bread, but it is a different kind of bread.

But Jesus later explained what he meant by the yeast of the pharisees right? Jesus taught the crowd in parables but explained to his disciples in private. It is from the archives of these explanations that the bible was made. This means that what we have in the new testament is the gospel that has been churned for our assimilation except for most parts of the book of Revelations. This means that the contents of the new testament is largely unequivocal and straight forward. But according to you, areas that clearly don't match are to be understood under the lens of the Holy Spirit's guidance. I laugh.

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Those three saw Jesus Christ in His transfigured, glorified, Kingdom of God state. They saw Moses and Elijah and heard the voice of God. they did not even want to leave there again. This is what is meant, this is the explanation.

You have said nothing. Please read matt 16:27-28 again and if you still think it refers to the transfiguration, then that's your problem. A friend of mine also postulated that it referred to stephen's encounter with Jesus when he was about to be stoned. I am sure if I meet another christian, he'll cook up his own customised explanation all in an effort to prove what he has chosen to believe. Seriously, If christianity gives you peace of mind and happiness, please continue being a christian and don't stop. Do what will make you happy and what works for you. I have no issue with what your believe. I only have issues with people enforcing things that cannot and has not been verified as true.

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The perspective of God is simply different to yours. The LORD was teaching you that people need more than food to live--they need every word that the LORD has spoken. People need more than food to live. If hunger is your problem, it is not God's problem. There is enough food and land in the world to sustain us all. You may die hungry and go to Heaven. you may never be hungry on earth for your 99years on earth, but have to beg Lazarus for eternity for a drop of water. So all that hunger perspective, you've got it all wrong. Your humanist viewpoint and enthusiasm for autonomy is not a luxury normally available to the majority poor. We're thinking Sustainable Goals, right? Your viewpoint is not sustainable.

So my concern for creation is now humanist? I am sure on the flip side of this argument, you will gladly say we are created in God's image and as such have his mind. I laugh again.

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You are clearly limited and lack exposure. Go out and see miracles, at least you attest to the fact that faith can cure headaches and heal internal diseases. Thanks be to God. i would rather have a faith that cures headaches and heals heart disease, kidney problem, liver problem, sickle cell anemia etc. The 4 testimonies in my OP are also proof that faith works and God heals all kinds of sickness and hears prayer. If you need more proof, seek more exposure. Stop being a lazy armchair critic. Go out. For instance, go to Living Faith Otta, or Redeemed Campground, or Mountain of Fire, or even the more conservative Deeper Life. Go to any of their crusadelike programmes and see things for yourself. Go and interview the testifiers of mind boggling testimonies, or bring your own problems to test. i'm not recommending/condemning any of the churches mentioned BTW. Reasons for mentioning them are personal experiences that miracles take place there, and they are fairly popular. Whether they have correct doctrine or teaching is another matter, but for sign seekers like you, you can go and enjoy yourself instead of the continual myopia you subject yourself needlessly to. Faith without works is dead, even the Bible says that.
Your perspective and definition of faith as something that should not include works is alien and from your bedroom.

Faith does not say you should not work hard or think, in fact it encourages you to.

Oga, show me where I defined faith ...not to even mention that faith should not include works. Where did I air my perspective on faith apart from saying people succeed even without having faith? Quote where I defined faith.

And you just concluded that I have never attended crusades? Who says I have not been to the aforementioned churches? I have even attended shiloh...from a branch though not in otta. I have worshipped in all kinds of churches even winners. I even did wofbi, so don't think I don't know what I'm talking about. The problem I have with guys like you is your points are predicated on baseless assumptions. You think I haven't seen the so called miracles? Miracles happen. Man calls anything he cannot explain with his current level of knowledge miracle. For instance, magnets were formally called magic stones centuries before it was fully understood. There is definitely a process that lead to miracles and studies are currently ongoing to explain them. The truth is the world does not need empty talk. Even the bible says the kingdom of God is not in words but in power. Scripture must be seen to be fulfilled in order to compel men to believe. It is not just about the signs, but the signs are integral if one is to believe in what christians preach. We look for signs because the bible has said these signs shall follow them that believe. We have seen millions of christians who believe but no sign is following them. The usual explanation is the one you have iterated severally. And that is, "they are not true christians" According to the bible, there must be an evidence to what one has faith in. If God's power is truly available, it should be able to cure all kinds of sicknesses but when some are not healed, the most common explanation for people not receiving healing is 'lack of faith.'

Note; I have truncated some of your posts to avoid tedium of quotations.