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Extremist currents destroying true spirit of Islam:

Islam is a religion practiced by close to 2 billion people worldwide and from all available statistics is the fastest growing religion in the world. Islam is also the most talked about religion in the world today and also the most misunderstood. Sadly the presence of some extremist currents among Muslims has exacerbated this gross misunderstanding of Islam, its values and standards.

With respect to all world religions, there is no religion in the world that satisfied the inner yearning of man like #Islam but unfortunately some of our religious leaders were careless enough to allow extremist currents like #Wahhabism that are sponsored by the New World Order (#NWO) to destroy the manifestations of the true spirit of Islam.

To fully grasp the topic, please check these:

●While Islam promote unity of Muslims, that current vehemently opposed unity of Muslims.
●While Islam promote tolerance, respect and kindness to all including Animals, that current promotes intolerance, hate, bigotry and terrorism.
●While Islam promote the quest for all knowledge including scientific and technological knowledge, that current attacked schools and universities to kill innocent students.
●While Islam clearly stated that there is no compulsion in religion, that current forced people to accept its deviations or be killed!
●While Islam honored and respected women, that current oppressed and demean women.
●While Islam placed emphasis in saving human and animal lives, that current destroys lives and celebrate that as trophies of victory.
●While Islam dignified and honor humanity, that current dishonor and insult humanity.

I can go on and on. ....

Unfortunately the destruction of the true spirit of Islam by these extremist currents is seen as the true manifestation of Islam in some quarters and the Western MainStream Media (MSM) are actively promoting this distorted agenda of Islam. Whenever a bloodthirsty thug carries a butcher knife and start stabbing innocent people, the MainStream media are quick to libel such murderous criminals as "Islamist" just to associate such inhuman criminality with Islam.

From the information that we received from the early history of Islam, most people accepted Islam then despite the threats of persecution and death due to the exceptional character and qualities of Prophet Muhammad (sa). The Holy Prophet (sa) honored people first as human beings before anything. Let me give a practical example:On day the Prophet (sa) while at Mecca saw an Old woman carrying a heavy load, he quickly went and relieved her and helped her carried that load to her distinction. When they reached the destination the woman was so happy that she told the Prophet (sa) that she will give him an important advice. She told him that there is a pretender in this town called "Muhammad" who is preaching deviations and destroying kinship, you should be careful with him. The Prophet (sa) smiled and told her that I am Muhammad!

That was how this Old woman accepted Islam! When the Prophet (sa) saw this woman he did not think of her religion as an Idol Worshipper or her status as a poor woman who can not afford to pay for the carriage of her belongings. He saw her as a woman of advanced in age who needed help and he helped her. To today's extremist current they will called her "Kafir" and behead her then celebrate such criminality as "Jihad that will attract great reward from God"!

■On whose duty to revive the true spirit of Islam:

The responsibility of reviving the lofty values and the true spirit of Islam rest with all #Muslims but the responsibility is greater on our scholars and religious References. Muslims should adhere to the true Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (sa) from credible sources only. Anybody who brings anything that contradicts this Sunnah event if such a person was a companion of the Prophet (sa) should be thrown away.

The Islamic scholars have important role to play in this regard since Muslims seeks knowledge and guidance from them. There are fraudulent and pseudo-scholars who brainwashed Muslims especially the youths and drive them towards these extremist currents. If a bloodthirsty "scholar" ask you to wear suicide vest and go to the market or school or Mosque or Church to kill innocent people then ask him to go first since that "attract Paradise"! Have you ever seen these bloodthirsty "scholars" as suicide bombers? But they are the ones brainwashing the youths to go and commit terrorist acts to kill the innocent.

On a final note, life does not end here as the world is the station of trial. As Muslims we believed that there is life after this worldly station and it is our actions, reactions and inactions that will determine our status in the next life. Congratulations to all on the birth anniversary of Imam Mahdi (AJF), the savior of humanity!

Harun Elbinawi
elbinawi@yahoo.com
Elbinawi.

You article is good and precise..

The lessons are clear, Islam, just like all faiths without doubt has its own challenges..

In as much Quran has many positive lessons, it also abhors some distortions just like everyother thing on earth since we all can agree that nothing is perfect..

But if you are also of the opinion that Quran is perfect and that from a-z as contain therein has a perfect lesson for everyone to learn and practice then, I would say leave the extremists alone because they have learnt very well..


I shall take my time to flash some of the points people have questions begging for answers on about the contents of Quran..

Who is 'Imam Mahdi'??

Quran is not a perfect book, just like Bible is not perfect..

But because of hypocrisy all belivers has refused to acknowledge this fact to consciously and collectively work to update these faith base books to meet and conform with the requirements of today's emotions..

olapluto:
Who is 'Imam Mahdi'??

Both Sunni and Shia Mislims believe in the promised Mahdi, if you're feigning ignorance Mr. Ola, the Muslim Yoruba man from Pluto!

The difference being that Shia believe the Mahdi is the 12th Imam of the Prophet Muhammad's Ahlul-Bayt (chosen members of his household) while Sunnis believe he is not yet born. Shia and Sunnis believe the promised Mahdi who will come in the end of time along with Jesus is a descendant of the Prophet's daughter Sayyida Fatima. Shia believe the Mahdi has been born but physically hidden just as the Quran says Jesus too is/was spiritually saved and concealed to save him from his enemies. There are hadiths from the Prophet and the Holy Imams of the Ahlul-Bayt which point to the prolong existence of the Mahdi.

It is really weird that so called (Sunni) Muslims are ignorant of these basic Islamic facts.

ShiaMuslim:
Both Sunni and Shia Mislims believe in the promised Mahdi, if you're feigning ignorance Mr. Ola, the Muslim Yoruba man from Pluto!

The difference being that Shia believe the Mahdi is the 12th Imam of the Prophet Muhammad's Ahlul-Bayt (chosen members of his household) while Sunnis believe he is not yet born. Shia and Sunnis believe the promised Mahdi who will come in the end of time along with Jesus is a descendant of the Prophet's daughter Sayyida Fatima. Shia believe the Mahdi has been born but physically hidden just as the Quran says Jesus too is/was spiritually saved and concealed to save him from his enemies. There are hadiths from the Prophet and the Holy Imams of the Ahlul-Bayt which point to the prolong existence of the Mahdi.

It is really weird that so called (Sunni) Muslims are ignorant of these basic Islamic facts.

First, I'm not Sunni. I am a Muslim. Secondly, I believe the 'Mahdi' you're referring to is the Caliph. If so, then offcourse I do not think the Caliph has been born. Or is he hibernating somewhere in Iran?

Elbinawi:
Extremist currents destroying true spirit of Islam:

Islam is a religion practiced by close to 2 billion people worldwide and from all available statistics is the fastest growing religion in the world. Islam is also the most talked about religion in the world today and also the most misunderstood. Sadly the presence of some extremist currents among Muslims has exacerbated this gross misunderstanding of Islam, its values and standards.

With respect to all world religions, there is no religion in the world that satisfied the inner yearning of man like #Islam but unfortunately some of our religious leaders were careless enough to allow extremist currents like #Wahhabism that are sponsored by the New World Order (#NWO) to destroy the manifestations of the true spirit of Islam.

To fully grasp the topic, please check these:

●While Islam promote unity of Muslims, that current vehemently opposed unity of Muslims.
●While Islam promote tolerance, respect and kindness to all including Animals, that current promotes intolerance, hate, bigotry and terrorism.
●While Islam promote the quest for all knowledge including scientific and technological knowledge, that current attacked schools and universities to kill innocent students.
●While Islam clearly stated that there is no compulsion in religion, that current forced people to accept its deviations or be killed!
●While Islam honored and respected women, that current oppressed and demean women.
●While Islam placed emphasis in saving human and animal lives, that current destroys lives and celebrate that as trophies of victory.
●While Islam dignified and honor humanity, that current dishonor and insult humanity.

I can go on and on. ....

Unfortunately the destruction of the true spirit of Islam by these extremist currents is seen as the true manifestation of Islam in some quarters and the Western MainStream Media (MSM) are actively promoting this distorted agenda of Islam. Whenever a bloodthirsty thug carries a butcher knife and start stabbing innocent people, the MainStream media are quick to libel such murderous criminals as "Islamist" just to associate such inhuman criminality with Islam.

From the information that we received from the early history of Islam, most people accepted Islam then despite the threats of persecution and death due to the exceptional character and qualities of Prophet Muhammad (sa). The Holy Prophet (sa) honored people first as human beings before anything. Let me give a practical example:On day the Prophet (sa) while at Mecca saw an Old woman carrying a heavy load, he quickly went and relieved her and helped her carried that load to her distinction. When they reached the destination the woman was so happy that she told the Prophet (sa) that she will give him an important advice. She told him that there is a pretender in this town called "Muhammad" who is preaching deviations and destroying kinship, you should be careful with him. The Prophet (sa) smiled and told her that I am Muhammad!

That was how this Old woman accepted Islam! When the Prophet (sa) saw this woman he did not think of her religion as an Idol Worshipper or her status as a poor woman who can not afford to pay for the carriage of her belongings. He saw her as a woman of advanced in age who needed help and he helped her. To today's extremist current they will called her "Kafir" and behead her then celebrate such criminality as "Jihad that will attract great reward from God"!

■On whose duty to revive the true spirit of Islam:

The responsibility of reviving the lofty values and the true spirit of Islam rest with all #Muslims but the responsibility is greater on our scholars and religious References. Muslims should adhere to the true Sunnah of Prophet Muhammad (sa) from credible sources only. Anybody who brings anything that contradicts this Sunnah event if such a person was a companion of the Prophet (sa) should be thrown away.

The Islamic scholars have important role to play in this regard since Muslims seeks knowledge and guidance from them. There are fraudulent and pseudo-scholars who brainwashed Muslims especially the youths and drive them towards these extremist currents. If a bloodthirsty "scholar" ask you to wear suicide vest and go to the market or school or Mosque or Church to kill innocent people then ask him to go first since that "attract Paradise"! Have you ever seen these bloodthirsty "scholars" as suicide bombers? But they are the ones brainwashing the youths to go and commit terrorist acts to kill the innocent.

On a final note, life does not end here as the world is the station of trial. As Muslims we believed that there is life after this worldly station and it is our actions, reactions and inactions that will determine our status in the next life. Congratulations to all on the birth anniversary of Imam Mahdi (AJF), the savior of humanity!

Harun Elbinawi
elbinawi@yahoo.com
Elbinawi.

We see where you are going with this. However, your premise is imprecise and incorrect. There were extremists who arose after the death of the prophet (ﷺ)...the khawarij. Not only did they arise out of the school of thought propounded by the prophet (ﷺ) and his companions, but they all came from the group who had gathered around the 4th rightly guided caliph, Ali bin abi Talib (ra). No one accused the prophet (ﷺ), or the companions of extremism since not one companion joined them. Not even the caliph Ali was accused of extremism even though all these extremist Khawarij were all members of his 'shia'. The point being that emergence from a source does not immediately finger the source as the problem. Later deviance, lack of proper education, and a sick mentality would result in extremism, regardless of the basis on which it is built. Until recently, Christians have been blowing up and carrying out massacres of civilians in Spain, Ireland, Uganda, Rwanda and the defunct Yugoslavia. Buddhists in Myanmar have been slaughtering their neighbours for years. None of that arose out of Islamic fundamentalism or ideology.

So op u wrote this long list of image laundering to promote Islam,

let me tell u what Islam truly is ... Tears sorrows and blood.

The problem of Islam is not the jihadist but the fundamentalism of the fundamentalist in the quran.

Even from your write -up u are anti - Wahabism.. Which makes u a shia.

Like i said Islam is nothing but tears sorrows and blood.

Farmerforlife:
We see where you are going with this. However, your premise is imprecise and incorrect. There were extremists who arose after the death of the prophet (ﷺ)...the khawarij. Not only did they arise out of the school of thought propounded by the prophet (ﷺ) and his companions, but they all came from the group who had gathered around the 4th rightly guided caliph, Ali bin abi Talib (ra). No one accused the prophet (ﷺ), or the companions of extremism since not one companion joined them. Not even the caliph Ali was accused of extremism even though all these extremist Khawarij were all members of his 'shia'. The point being that emergence from a source does not immediately finger the source as the problem. Later deviance, lack of proper education, and a sick mentality would result in extremism, regardless of the basis on which it is built. Until recently, Christians have been blowing up and carrying out massacres of civilians in Spain, Ireland, Uganda, Rwanda and the defunct Yugoslavia. Buddhists in Myanmar have been slaughtering their neighbours for years. None of that arose out of Islamic fundamentalism or ideology.

Your motive for citing that the khawarij split from the "Shia" of Imam Ali (as) is mischievous. On similar ground, the Shia, whatever you consider them are a product of the teachings of Prophet Muhammad and Islam. The present wave of Takfiri extremism and the blowing up of civilians in churches and mosques are based on the Wahhabi/Salafist ideology which is Sunni in nature and a minority of Sunnis actively subscribe to and the majority of Sunnis mostly turn a blind eye to. Wahhabism is a modern product of the Jahiliyyah tendencies of Banu Ummayyah, inheritors of the Sunni caliphate who butchered the family of the Prophet in the Tragedy of Karbala decades after the death of the Prophet. The Wahhabis find their Takfiri inspiration from Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul Wahab, both extremist scholars and successors of the Ummayyad legacy. The difference between the Shia and the Sunni approach to extremist elements is clear. The Shia from earliest times disassociated themselves from the khawarij and the khawarij became a distinct entity. And that can be evidently seen as Imam Ali and his Shia were the ones who stood ground to fight in the Battle of Nahrawan against the khawarij. So your mischief is futile. On the other hand, Sunnis have failed to disassociate themselves from the Saudi sponsored Wahhabi takfiri extremism. Instead, it is embraced as Islamic while they find ridiculous excuses to disassociate Islam (their own Islam) from the after effect of terror and extremist attacks perpetrated in the name of Wahhabi teachings and violent ideology. This approach is also the reason why any Sunni would refuse to become Shia. You embrace a caliphate system that resulted in the injustice and oppression against the family of Prophet Muhammad, while you still want to be seen as opposed to the suffering meted on the Ahlul-Bayt. Confusion par excellence!

ShiaMuslim:
Your motive for citing that the khawarij split from the "Shia" of Imam Ali (as) is mischievous. On similar ground, the Shia, whatever you consider them are a product of the teachings of Prophet Muhammad and Islam. The present wave of Takfiri extremism and the blowing up of civilians in churches and mosques are based on the Wahhabi/Salafist ideology which is Sunni in nature and a minority of Sunnis actively subscribe to and the majority of Sunnis mostly turn a blind eye to. Wahhabism is a modern product of the Jahiliyyah tendencies of Banu Ummayyah, inheritors of the Sunni caliphate who butchered the family of the Prophet in the Tragedy of Karbala decades after the death of the Prophet. The Wahhabis find their Takfiri inspiration from Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul Wahab, both extremist scholars and successors of the Ummayyad legacy. The difference between the Shia and the Sunni approach to extremist elements is clear. The Shia from earliest times disassociated themselves from the khawarij and the khawarij became a distinct entity. And that can be evidently seen as Imam Ali and his Shia were the ones who stood ground to fight in the Battle of Nahrawan against the khawarij. So your mischief is futile. On the other hand, Sunnis have failed to disassociate themselves from the Saudi sponsored Wahhabi takfiri extremism. Instead, it is embraced as Islamic while they find ridiculous excuses to disassociate Islam (their own Islam) from the after effect of terror and extremist attacks perpetrated in the name of Wahhabi teachings and violent ideology. This approach is also the reason why any Sunni would refuse to become Shia. You embrace a caliphate system that resulted in the injustice and oppression against the family of Prophet Muhammad, while you still want to be seen as opposed to the suffering meted on the Ahlul-Bayt. Confusion par excellence!

All Sunnis have dissociated themselves from the present day Khawarij, in the same way that Ali bin abi Talib, as well as Muawiyyah bin abi Sufyan and the body of sahabah (may Allah be pleased with them all) rejected the khawarij of those days, even though they were originally from those who fought alongside Ali, and advised him, and we do not say that Ali bin abi Talib is the source of their deviance (may Allah forbid). Among the biggest casualties of the Boko Haram fight are those salafist 'wahhabi' scholars, such as Sheikh Kabiru Gombe, Sheikh Jaafar Adam among others, who were at the forefront in the information campaign against Boko Haram. Saudi Arabia spends billions in the fight against ISIS and alQaeda, and both those organisations have openly pledged that Saudi scholars and its government (who you also call Wahhabis) are hypocrites and should be killed...ergo they have a different mentality. Shia terrorist militia are committing the same sort of loveliness that ISIS is committing, rape, plunder, torture and genocide in Iraq and Syria. So are Buddhists, Christians, Atheists and Hindus.
Fact is that terrorism has nothing to do with ideology. Any fanatic with the right disposition, and a perceived grievance can become a terrorist.

Incidentally, those who butchered alHussein (ra) at Karbalaa were also part of Ali's army, and were Kuffans, not Makkans or Madinans. The likes of Shimmr alJawshan and Ubaydullah bin Ziyaad who personally killed alHussein were actually Ali bin abi Talib's advisers and supporters at Siffin. Those who invited him and killed his cousin Muslim bin Aqeel, then abandoned him had all pledged allegiance to him and hence were all Shia by your definition. Muawiyyah (ra) and Yazeed never wanted alHussein dead, and he was a regular at their court, and a soldier in their armies. So, please leave Sunnis out of the death of alHussein (ra), we had nothing to do with it. Accuse us falsely in the comfort and privacy of your Husseiniyat, not on public fora where the truth is known.

The reason why we refuse to become shia is because shiism is a shame-filled sect based on the spread of fahishah and immorality via the use of fabrications, idolatory and dissimulation (taqiyyah). Little wonder that the primary duty of shiite militia in Iran is the establishment of prostitution offices in Iraq to promote hourly 'marriages' and other such promiscuities. No wonder they are always trying to get their poor ignorant masses to abandon the hajj for frivolous grounds while they pack them off in wailing parties to Karbalaa to go shed crocodile tears for someone after their predecessors set him up and betrayed him. Your mythologies are too many to stomach without having been grounded from childhood in the art of head hammering. Of course, there are also those in African countries who do become shia because of the filthy lucre, and get paid for their online work in spreading shia arguments...we know them.

Farmerforlife:
All Sunnis have dissociated themselves from the present day Khawarij, in the same way that Ali bin abi Talib, as well as Muawiyyah bin abi Sufyan and the body of sahabah (may Allah be pleased with them all) rejected the khawarij of those days, even though they were originally from those who fought alongside Ali, and advised him, and we do not say that Ali bin abi Talib is the source of their deviance (may Allah forbid).

you have totally lost your mind to put the name of Ali Ibn Abi Talib (as) on the same line with Muawiyah. do you know the two fought at the Battle of Siffin? and then you talk of and deny the deviance of some sabaha the likes of Muawiya? was it not Muawiya who stoked the flames of the Battle of Siffin? so what are you denying? even mainstream Sunnis devoid of Wahhabi contamination would stay far away from Muawiya, the very stance i described as confusion in my last post.

Among the biggest casualties of the Boko Haram fight are those salafist 'wahhabi' scholars, such as Sheikh Kabiru Gombe, Sheikh Jaafar Adam among others, who were at the forefront in the information campaign against Boko Haram. Saudi Arabia spends billions in the fight against ISIS and alQaeda, and both those organisations have openly pledged that Saudi scholars and its government (who you also call Wahhabis) are hypocrites and should be killed...ergo they have a different mentality.

the entire world knows that Saudi Arabia and Turkey are the two western allies sending in weapons and Takfiri terrorists with the Wahhabi ideology into Syria and Iraq. how many suicide bombers who attacked Shia pilgrims in Iraq were Saudi nationals? yes, when it comes to protecting the monarchy, which groups like ISIS view to have deviated from "Islam", Saudi protects itself and opposes ISIS internally in their kingdom. but when these same terrorists blow up Shia "apostates" and Christian "unbelievers" in Iraq, Syria and elsewhere, Saudi does not have a problem with that. and in particular, attacking the Rafidha Shia is good news; just like the Imam of Makkah would recite dua for Allah to destroy the Shia Rafidha and the Christian kuffar. do you really have any atom of sense in you?

Shia terrorist militia are committing the same sort of loveliness that ISIS is committing, rape, plunder, torture and genocide in Iraq and Syria. So are Buddhists, Christians, Atheists and Hindus.

oh yeah, presently Shia militia loyal to the Iraqi government (the like of the JFT in Borno against Boko) are liberating Fallujah from the grip of ISIS. yet, Saudi media are stoking the flames of sectarianism and making it seem that Shia fighters are targeting a Sunni citiy. they had no problem with and made no move to free fallujah from ISIS since 2014. the moment the Iraqi government and its allied forces move in to free Iraqi territory and restore Iraqi sovereignty, they have become "ra.pists" and all sorts of names.

Fact is that terrorism has nothing to do with ideology. Any fanatic with the right disposition, and a perceived grievance can become a terrorist.

no sir. i like millions disagree with you. the teachings of Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul-Wahhabi (on whose teachings the Wahhabi movement rest) are terror inspirations. terrorism does have an ideology/religion and it is the saudi sponsored wahhabism. the world is becoming increasingly aware of this. and more awareness has to be created so the enemy is identified. that is the first step in stopping terrorism.

Incidentally, those who butchered alHussein (ra) at Karbalaa were also part of Ali's army, and were Kuffans, not Makkans or Madinans. The likes of Shimmr alJawshan and Ubaydullah bin Ziyaad who personally killed alHussein were actually Ali bin abi Talib's advisers and supporters at Siffin.

Those who invited him and killed his cousin Muslim bin Aqeel, then abandoned him had all pledged allegiance to him and hence were all Shia by your definition.

the names you mentioned were Arabians, and not indigenous to Kufa. they were from arabian/qurayshite tribes in Makkah.

Ubaydullah Ibn Ziyad (la) was the governor of Yazeed son of Muawiyah in Kufah. so your claims are laughable. Imam Ali (as) at Siffin was not just the first Shia Imam representing and leading Shia. he was also the Sunni fourth caliph. he was leader of all Muslims, except the apostates who rebelled against his rule. therefore the term "shia of Ali" also took a political definition strictly; meaning those in Siffin with him were not his "shia" or "partisans" in the religious sense but strictly in the political sense like the hypocrites in the time of the Prophet (s).

majority of the Kufans were Shia. they were cowed by the replacement of the governor of Kufa with Ibn Ziyad by Yazeed. Ibn Ziyad was feared as a brute. most who had invited Imam Hussein (as) were either cowed, they were hypocrites, or they were sell outs. they outwardly showed iman and claiming to be Shia of Imam Hussein (as) while inwardly they lacked faith. yet still, a few of the Kufans like Hani Ibn Urwa (ra) were true Shia who stood by the Imam and his cousin. so we do not use hypocrites to represent Shia but true loyalists to the Imam, because being a Shia is all about following the will of the Quran in the verse of Mawaddah and the will of the Prophet (s) to love, abide by and obey the Ahlul-Bayt (as). so do not distort clear understanding with bigotry.

Muawiyyah (ra) and Yazeed never wanted alHussein dead, and he was a regular at their court, and a soldier in their armies. So, please leave Sunnis out of the death of alHussein (ra), we had nothing to do with it. Accuse us falsely in the comfort and privacy of your Husseiniyat, not on public fora where the truth is known.

sick! Ibn Ziyad was Yazeed's governor in Kufa. Umar Ibn Saad (la) was Yazid's commander that led the siege in Karbala on Imam Hussein (as). so your claims are blind and full of bigotry! soldier in their armies in your fantasy!!! you must be an online shaitan!!!

no one is pointing at Sunnis. it is just truth that the state of the Sunni mind is confused. it is either they condemn their own caliphs and still hold on to the caliphate, condemn the killings and vindicate their caliphs, or blame others for the killings of the Ahlul-Bayt (as). confusion!!! many if not most Sunnis follow the first option. they disassociate themselves from their fifth and sixth caliphs, Muawiyah and his son Yazeed.

The reason why we refuse to become shia is because shiism is a shame-filled sect based on the spread of fahishah and immorality via the use of fabrications, idolatory and dissimulation (taqiyyah).

Little wonder that the primary duty of shiite militia in Iran is the establishment of prostitution offices in Iraq to promote hourly 'marriages' and other such promiscuities. No wonder they are always trying to get their poor ignorant masses to abandon the hajj for frivolous grounds while they pack them off in wailing parties to Karbalaa to go shed crocodile tears for someone after their predecessors set him up and betrayed him. Your mythologies are too many to stomach without having been grounded from childhood in the art of head hammering. Of course, there are also those in African countries who do become shia because of the filthy lucre, and get paid for their online work in spreading shia arguments...we know them.

"No! It is only a claim you are saying; and behind you is a barrier until the Day you are resurrected"...if it was money that is making millions be Shia in Africa, then you and your likes would have been at the forefront to gain finacially and trade you faith and conscience for a few Kobo!!!

ShiaMuslim:
you have totally lost your mind to put the name of Ali Ibn Abi Talib (as) on the same line with Muawiyah. do you know the two fought at the Battle of Siffin? and then you talk of and deny the deviance of some sabaha the likes of Muawiya? was it not Muawiya who stoked the flames of the Battle of Siffin? so what are you denying? even mainstream Sunnis devoid of Wahhabi contamination would stay far away from Muawiya, the very stance i described as confusion in my last post.



the entire world knows that Saudi Arabia and Turkey are the two western allies sending in weapons and Takfiri terrorists with the Wahhabi ideology into Syria and Iraq. how many suicide bombers who attacked Shia pilgrims in Iraq were Saudi nationals? yes, when it comes to protecting the monarchy, which groups like ISIS view to have deviated from "Islam", Saudi protects itself and opposes ISIS internally in their kingdom. but when these same terrorists blow up Shia "apostates" and Christian "unbelievers" in Iraq, Syria and elsewhere, Saudi does not have a problem with that. and in particular, attacking the Rafidha Shia is good news; just like the Imam of Makkah would recite dua for Allah to destroy the Shia Rafidha and the Christian kuffar. do you really have any atom of sense in you?



oh yeah, presently Shia militia loyal to the Iraqi government (the like of the JFT in Borno against Boko) are liberating Fallujah from the grip of ISIS. yet, Saudi media are stoking the flames of sectarianism and making it seem that Shia fighters are targeting a Sunni citiy. they had no problem with and made no move to free fallujah from ISIS since 2014. the moment the Iraqi government and its allied forces move in to free Iraqi territory and restore Iraqi sovereignty, they have become "ra.pists" and all sorts of names.



no sir. i like millions disagree with you. the teachings of Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Abdul-Wahhabi (on whose teachings the Wahhabi movement rest) are terror inspirations. terrorism does have an ideology/religion and it is the saudi sponsored wahhabism. the world is becoming increasingly aware of this. and more awareness has to be created so the enemy is identified. that is the first step in stopping terrorism.



the names you mentioned were Arabians, and not indigenous to Kufa. they were from arabian/qurayshite tribes in Makkah.

Ubaydullah Ibn Ziyad (la) was the governor of Yazeed son of Muawiyah in Kufah. so your claims are laughable. Imam Ali (as) at Siffin was not just the first Shia Imam representing and leading Shia. he was also the Sunni fourth caliph. he was leader of all Muslims, except the apostates who rebelled against his rule. therefore the term "shia of Ali" also took a political definition strictly; meaning those in Siffin with him were not his "shia" or "partisans" in the religious sense but strictly in the political sense like the hypocrites in the time of the Prophet (s).

majority of the Kufans were Shia. they were cowed by the replacement of the governor of Kufa with Ibn Ziyad by Yazeed. Ibn Ziyad was feared as a brute. most who had invited Imam Hussein (as) were either cowed, they were hypocrites, or they were sell outs. they outwardly showed iman and claiming to be Shia of Imam Hussein (as) while inwardly they lacked faith. yet still, a few of the Kufans like Hani Ibn Urwa (ra) were true Shia who stood by the Imam and his cousin. so we do not use hypocrites to represent Shia but true loyalists to the Imam, because being a Shia is all about following the will of the Quran in the verse of Mawaddah and the will of the Prophet (s) to love, abide by and obey the Ahlul-Bayt (as). so do not distort clear understanding with bigotry.





sick! Ibn Ziyad was Yazeed's governor in Kufa. Umar Ibn Saad (la) was Yazid's commander that led the siege in Karbala on Imam Hussein (as). so your claims are blind and full of bigotry! soldier in their armies in your fantasy!!! you must be an online shaitan!!!

no one is pointing at Sunnis. it is just truth that the state of the Sunni mind is confused. it is either they condemn their own caliphs and still hold on to the caliphate, condemn the killings and vindicate their caliphs, or blame others for the killings of the Ahlul-Bayt (as). confusion!!! many if not most Sunnis follow the first option. they disassociate themselves from their fifth and sixth caliphs, Muawiyah and his son Yazeed.



"No! It is only a claim you are saying; and behind you is a barrier until the Day you are resurrected"...if it was money that is making millions be Shia in Africa, then you and your likes would have been at the forefront to gain finacially and trade you faith and conscience for a few Kobo!!!

As expected, the usual Shia propaganda narrative, but false, and I will tell you why.

Go to the academia, the Sunni thinkers, the madrasas. Salafist thinking is huge and rising, and if they were all terrorists or takfiris, the world would have probably gone up in a huge ball of smoke by now, with the shia going up first. Do you think that the ignorant shia leaders have the theological or the Sharii knowledge to counter ISIS ideology, or do you think you could have fought them on your own? Lol. Your IRGC 'volunteers' and your forced Hezbollat regulars were scattering before the winds before a mere handful of Syrian rebels (even with ISIS helping you to attack them) and you had to go yowling off to Russia screaming for succor. Your militias commit the same atrocities as the deviant ISIS daily, but they are supported in their crimes by the semi-shiite president of the US. So my friend, no, if we were all terrorists due to our ideology, 'wahhabi' Saudi Arabia would have only to say the word and Iran would have been swarmed, so all these endless repetitions of "the world knows, everyone knows are just the dying ends of your propaganda". No matter, "you can lie to some people all the time, and to all the people some of the time. But you cant lie to all the people all the time." an apt code for you . One day, all your army of trolls spread out on social media trying to find magas to pay one fifth of their income as khumus, prostitute their daughters and waste their lives in sectarian wars for the sake of your Ayatollats will soon become as dust in the wind.

One final word, your dodo ayatollats made a big mistake... they came out of the closet. Your fake faith has only survived all these years on concealment and taqiyyah and deceit. Now that you are out of the closet, YouTube, Wordpress, and Satellite channels like Wesal TV and Safa, and hundreds of others insha Allah, will continue to expose your real Judeo-magean creed.

Speaking of which, here are your own rabbis confessing as to who actually killed the grandson of our Sunni prophet (ﷺ). The problem is that when they trained you, they taught you only how to seek for twistable quotes in our books. They did not tell you what is in yours.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0AaSfhOhTc

Farmerforlife:
As expected, the usual Shia propaganda narrative, but false, and I will tell you why.
Go to the academia, the Sunni thinkers, the madrasas. Salafist thinking is huge and rising, and if they were all terrorists or takfiris, the world would have probably gone up in a huge ball of smoke by now, with the shia going up first. Do you think that the ignorant shia leaders have the theological or the Sharii knowledge to counter ISIS ideology, or do you think you could have fought them on your own? Lol. Your IRGC 'volunteers' and your forced Hezbollat regulars were scattering before the winds before a mere handful of Syrian rebels (even with ISIS helping you to attack them) and you had to go yowling off to Russia screaming for succor. Your militias commit the same atrocities as the deviant ISIS daily, but they are supported in their crimes by the semi-shiite president of the US. So my friend, no, if we were all terrorists due to our ideology, 'wahhabi' Saudi Arabia would have only to say the word and Iran would have been swarmed, so all these endless repetitions of "the world knows, everyone knows are just the dying ends of your propaganda". No matter, "you can lie to some people all the time, and to all the people some of the time. But you cant lie to all the people all the time." an apt code for you . One day, all your army of trolls spread out on social media trying to find magas to pay one fifth of their income as khumus, prostitute their daughters and waste their lives in sectarian wars for the sake of your Ayatollats will soon become as dust in the wind.
One final word, your dodo ayatollats made a big mistake... they came out of the closet. Your fake faith has only survived all these years on concealment and taqiyyah and deceit. Now that you are out of the closet, YouTube, Wordpress, and Satellite channels like Wesal TV and Safa, and hundreds of others insha Allah, will continue to expose your real Judeo-magean creed.
Speaking of which, here are your own rabbis confessing as to who actually killed the grandson of our Sunni prophet (ﷺ). The problem is that when they trained you, they taught you only how to seek for twistable quotes in our books. They did not tell you what is in yours.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0AaSfhOhTc

More and more propaganda, empty threats, wishful thinking and outright lies. Let me help you out, I was expecting you'd probably deny and lie that Ibn Ziyad and Shimr were not the men of Yazid and they are not Qurayshite. You just mentioned the hate channels of wesal and safa. And you posted a YouTube video from the lying channel on YouTube called "anti majoos". All they do is spread lies and twisting the words of others including deliberate mistranslation. You can check this:
https://www.nairaland.com/3123945/concept-imamah-refuted-2mins-ex-shia

So my friend, pity yourself and come out of your fantasies and extremist beliefs. You're so funny that even Obama to you is Shia. You really sound like a dumb Sunni Arab.

Farmerforlife:
We see where you are going with this. However, your premise is imprecise and incorrect. There were extremists who arose after the death of the prophet (ﷺ)...the khawarij. Not only did they arise out of the school of thought propounded by the prophet (ﷺ) and his companions, but they all came from the group who had gathered around the 4th rightly guided caliph, Ali bin abi Talib (ra). No one accused the prophet (ﷺ), or the companions of extremism since not one companion joined them. Not even the caliph Ali was accused of extremism even though all these extremist Khawarij were all members of his 'shia'. The point being that emergence from a source does not immediately finger the source as the problem. Later deviance, lack of proper education, and a sick mentality would result in extremism, regardless of the basis on which it is built. Until recently, Christians have been blowing up and carrying out massacres of civilians in Spain, Ireland, Uganda, Rwanda and the defunct Yugoslavia. Buddhists in Myanmar have been slaughtering their neighbours for years. None of that arose out of Islamic fundamentalism or ideology.

Christians carrying massacres in Spain?,are Spanish people not Christians?

Godgay:
Christians carrying massacres in Spain?,are Spanish people not Christians?

http://www.cfr.org/separatist-terrorism/basque-fatherland-liberty-eta-spain-separatists-euskadi-ta-askatasuna/p9271

Yes they are of the same faith, so technically are the Irish and English, and the LRA and Ugandans. So are ISIS deviants and the Sunni populations whom they terrorise in Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Syria, Turkey, the Kurds etc, so are alQaeda and the Afghans and Yemenis that they bomb, so are Boko Haram and the people that they kill in the largely Muslim Northern states. This is the meaning of deviance. That you emerge from a group, but you see yourself as so distinct from them that you can kill them without conscience. In the case of ISIS foot soldiers, these are ignorant, deluded people misled by a lot of false promises.

This article gives a general idea of what drives terrorism, and it is definitely not religious knowledge...

http://www.newstatesman.com/religion/2014/08/what-jihadists-who-bought-islam-dummies-amazon-tell-us-about-radicalisation