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Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by christopheru(op): 1:09pm On May 30, 2016
LesbianBoy:
Lol this STOOPID IDIOTS have forgotten that apart from Euros and Copa America, as real madrid has won the champions league, they will now have to play two cup competitions. That is Uefa cup and Club world cup. Real madrid will carry atleast one of this cup and that will now "over confirm" Cr7 as the favourite to win ballon d'or grin grin grin grin grin grin
What nonsense is this one saying. huh
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by christopheru(op): 1:11pm On May 30, 2016
Badosqi:
guy you are right. They are really stupid idiots. It is always the same scenario whenever Ronaldo is the main contender. They will start talking trash about fifa always favouring goalscorers alone, na that time they will remember that their are also other players fifa are neglecting like griezman, neymar,ibra, hazard, lewan. They will start ridiculous comparism to why Ronaldo doesn't deserve the title. They are no doubt STOOPID IDIOTS.
ronaldo is just and only a goal SCORER
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by Badosqi(m): 1:36pm On May 30, 2016
christopheru:
ronaldo is just and only a goal SCORER
ok. Are you happy now.
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by Immality(m): 3:58pm On May 30, 2016
Common sense is not really common as we thought....
Some kind of people are just useless with the brains giving to me...

When has wining the CL determine who wins the football most prestigious award...? What happens to the domestic cups and leagues? What about wining the pichichi and Golden boot? What about your assists to your teams? What about records broken? What about performances ?
Help me calculate his so called CL league, league and domestic cup goals ... His assists In all and tell me what you've got..... You guys think you know more than fifa and UEFA.... These things Will be analyzed and believe me he might not even make it to the Grand finale come Zurich by Januray.....

The dumb ones Will still criticize.....
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by christopheru(op): 4:54pm On May 30, 2016
Immality:
Common sense is not really common as we thought....
Some kind of people are just useless with the brains giving to me...

When has wining the CL determine who wins the football most prestigious award...? What happens to the domestic cups and leagues? What about wining the pichichi and Golden boot? What about your assists to your teams? What about records broken? What about performances ?
Help me calculate his so called CL league, league and domestic cup goals ... His assists In all and tell me what you've got..... You guys think you know more than fifa and UEFA.... These things Will be analyzed and believe me he might not even make it to the Grand finale come Zurich by Januray.....

The dumb ones Will still criticize.....
you sabi joor. Leave those fat heads. They just started watching football
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by Marcelini(m): 10:48pm On May 30, 2016
foladj:
We all know that ronaldo helped his team to overcome Wolfsburg but someone was saying when barca needed messi and Suarez against atletico, they did not turn up. OK let's put cr7 In that position, do u think he would just score 3 goals against atletico just as he did against Wolfsburghuh?? I don't think so[sub][/sub].
We wouldnt know , but one can only beat what was placed before him.

Ronaldo's test was Wolfsburg and he passed. Messi and Suarez test was Athletico and they failed.

That's the end of it.
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by Marcelini(m): 10:58pm On May 30, 2016
Immality:
Common sense is not really common as we thought....
Some kind of people are just useless with the brains giving to me...

When has wining the CL determine who wins the football most prestigious award...? What happens to the domestic cups and leagues? What about wining the pichichi and Golden boot? What about your assists to your teams? What about records broken? What about performances ?
Help me calculate his so called CL league, league and domestic cup goals ... His assists In all and tell me what you've got..... You guys think you know more than fifa and UEFA.... These things Will be analyzed and believe me he might not even make it to the Grand finale come Zurich by Januray.....

The dumb ones Will still criticize.....
Ronaldo didn't just win the champions league, he was a star player of the tournament, the leading goal scorer.

Ronaldo won Pichichi and golden boots like season, Messi rode on the back of Neymar and Suarez firing Barcelona to champions league trophy to upstage Ronaldo.
Ronaldo's Pichichi never counted, and so will Suarez Pichichi.

Ronaldo broke Records this season top of which is becoming the outright leading goal scorer in champions league history, ahead of legends like Raul and bitter rival like Messi.
He has won the champions league highest goal scorer for the third successive season.
He fired Madrid to her Sixth successive champions league semi final appearance.

Before his arrival Madrid spent more than 6 seasons stuck at the second round stage.

Ronaldo is home and dry with his 4th ballon d'or. Just as your wailing couldn't stop him and Madrid from clinching his 3rd champions league winners medal, so shall it not stop him from receiving his 4th ballon d'or in january next year.
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by Marcelini(m): 11:06pm On May 30, 2016
Mickael2:
I am forced to join this thread now.

How is Ronaldo the main contender? Sure he scored 16 goals in the champions league but did you check the goals? 6 goals against Malmo, 5 against Donetsk, 3 against Wolfsburg and 2 against Roma, Zero against Atletico, zero against PSG and zero against Man city. It's as if as the level of the team increases his goals diminish, you can only score against who you play but he didnt even score against those he played.

Talking about the champions league, thank God for the ref, Madrid would have lost, what with an offside goal and all what not, where was Ronaldo then? Diving away his time, granted the ref helped Barca defeat Atletico in the first leg(which wasnt an aid at all, it was a clear red card but ok), then in the return leg what happened? We had a clear penalty in the last minute and the ref overlooked it, yet no one remembers that but it's all good sha. In the game against Wolfsburg, Ronaldo scored a header, a freekick another useless goal, they are all goals I agree, but they were team goals, yet you all are assigning all the praise to him. Then in the semi he got injured and when he came back, he still didnt score, final nko? Worse.

Then finally, you all seriously think that the UCL decides who the Balon D'or winner will be?! In 2013, CR7 didnt win any trophy yet he took it home, and you think that because his team won this trophy with little or no aid from him makes him the front runner? Thats just dellusional to say the very least,meanwhile in the league, he missed a penalty against Malaga which would have given his team the extra 2 points they needed to win the league yet you guys don't understand that he cost his team right there but well, thats your problem
Trash! Ronaldo didn' t need to score against those teams you mentioned, his team got passed them without needing him to. Whe he was needed against Wolfsburg, he answered them, when they needed a strong man to absolve the penalty shoot out pressure and fire them into their 11th UCL trophy against athletico, he was there to do the needful, when they needed him against Barca in la liga, he was there to hand them the three points.

He has been the difference between a world beater Madrid and a mediocre Madrid.

CR7 won it 2013 because Bayern the winners had no outstanding player that could eclipse Ronaldo. Neither Robben nor Ribery were amongst the top goal scorers in 2013, where as Ronaldo won the highest goal scorer of the tournament and had the Pichichi to go with it.
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by Mickael2(m): 12:16am On May 31, 2016
Marcelini:
Trash! Ronaldo didn' t need to score against those teams you mentioned, his team got passed them without needing him to. Whe he was needed against Wolfsburg, he answered them, when they needed a strong man to absolve the penalty shoot out pressure and fire them into their 11th UCL trophy against athletico, he was there to do the needful, when they needed him against Barca in la liga, he was there to hand them the three points.

He has been the difference between a world beater Madrid and a mediocre Madrid.

CR7 won it 2013 because Bayern the winners had no outstanding player that could eclipse Ronaldo. Neither Robben nor Ribery were amongst the top goal scorers in 2013, where as Ronaldo won the highest goal scorer of the tournament and had the Pichichi to go with it.
you should try to make some sense bro. So he wasn't needed against Man city? His team won because of an own goal, he could have made it two. He wasnt needed against PSG? Again they drew the match 0-0, and if not for Casemiro they would not win the second leg either. So they didn't need him against Atletico? You just decided to name 3 matches were he performed and I can assure you that that's all there is to him, those 3 games. I can name 10 where he was needed and he didn't perform. The 4-0 drubbing by Barca, the 1-0 loss to Atletico, the 1-1 draw with Malaga where he ironically missed a pk, the 2-2 draw with Valencia, the 3-2 loss to Sevilla, the 1-1 draw with Atletico again and the other champions league games that I mentioned. That's more than 10 already! So please, don't tell me that Madrid can't beat Wolfsburg without Ronaldo, they did beat Man city without him literally, and apart from the Wolfsburg game he is done, nothing extraordinary to his game again.

Your second point shows that you have never played a penalty before. The most tense penalty is the first one, why? Because you will have absolutely no time to study the goalkeeper. There is a reason why the best player in any team takes the first penalty, because the first penalty requires precision. I mean, the last time Ronaldo took the first penalty what happened? Against Chelsea, he bloody missed! What if Madrid missed their first 3 penalty kicks? They would have lost without him kicking a penalty. Now if you watch slowly, Oblak was going thesame way all the time, there was no tension behind that PK, if he missed they wouldn't have lost instantly, the pk would have gone on, so that reduces the tension to the barest minimum. And please,against Barca he wasn't needed either, Bale did score the 3rd goal that would have still won that match.

Finally, do you see the flaws in your argument? In 2013 he was the highest goalscorer, so highest goal scorer instantly means best player?! Robben got to the semifinal of the world cup too to add to his champions league medal, Messi got to the final of the world cup too but because Ronaldo scored more goals that makes him better? Well let me explain something to you, the balon D'or is for your performance between January and late November, do you know who the highest goalscorer is since January? Why it's Suarez, second? Messi. Do you know who has the highest number of assists since January? Why it's Messi, second? Can't really recall, Suarez or Mahrez, so using your logic of goals, Ronaldo shouldn't even be in the top two either so bummer, you ruined yourself
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by saintkeppy(m): 5:08am On May 31, 2016
Immality:
Bias You said.... Euro and Copa American are fast approaching.... Don't have much to explain again cos I have already made my points.. Not hating anybody.... For scoring 6 goals against
Malmo, 5 against Shakhtar, 3 against Wolfsburg and
2 against Roma?
While disappearing against Psg, Mancity, and
Atletico?
. I'm suprise u did'nt consider that CR7 injury worries affected his game against ManCity where he missed the 1st leg, struggles with match fitness in subsequent matches. Even the UCL finals he was still not 100%fit, or is it compulsory he must score in all matches? In La Liga goal scoring chart he's not found wanting, ofcourse u knw what he can do when he's fully fit & he has demonstrated that over the past seasons by scoring an average of 50goals per season for his club. Hate it or love it, his 16 UCL goals haul has helped Real Madrid win the UCL Title for the 11th time. So therefore he is a strong contender for the ballon d'or & i'm not gonna be suprise if he wins it.
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by saintkeppy(m): 5:54am On May 31, 2016
Immality:
Common sense is not really common as we thought....
Some kind of people are just useless with the brains giving to me...

When has wining the CL determine who wins the football most prestigious award...? What happens to the domestic cups and leagues? What about wining the pichichi and Golden boot? What about your assists to your teams? What about records broken? What about performances ?
Help me calculate his so called CL league, league and domestic cup goals ... His assists In all and tell me what you've got..... You guys think you know more than fifa and UEFA.... These things Will be analyzed and believe me he might not even make it to the Grand finale come Zurich by Januray.....

The dumb ones Will still criticize.....
. I remember in 2010, a world cup year, Wesley Sneidjer was very outstanding that season wining a treble with Inter Milan performed well at the world helping the Netherland to the worldcup finals, which they eventually lost to spain. How many goals Messi scored at worldcup? Messi won la liga that season & Argentina got knockout of world cup early. Bros we know these things count. Putting all these criteria into consideration did Leo Messi deserve the 2010 ballon d'or award? Yes or no. If yes, pls analyze & educate me more why he was awarded. Thank you!
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by christopheru(op): 6:47am On May 31, 2016
saintkeppy:
. I remember in 2010, a world cup year, Wesley Sneidjer was very outstanding that season wining a treble with Inter Milan performed well at the world helping the Netherland to the worldcup finals, which they eventually lost to spain. How many goals Messi scored at worldcup? Messi won la liga that season & Argentina got knockout of world cup early. Bros we know these things count. Putting all these criteria into consideration did Leo Messi deserve the 2010 ballon d'or award? Yes or no. If yes, pls analyze & educate me more why he was awarded. Thank you!
Appearances 55
Goals scored 53 Assists 27
1 La liga. Champions League Top goal Scorer 2010. Are you ok now?
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by saintkeppy(m): 6:56am On May 31, 2016
christopheru:
you sabi joor. Leave those fat heads. They just started watching football
. Bros I have been watching football since 90's. SOMETIMES UCL is used, most especially this days. check very well, all that is required is an outstanding player in the club needs to perform credibily well both domestically & otherwise to stand a chance. Wesley Sneidjer won everything domestically with Inter Milan under Jose Mourinho, did well at 2010 worldcup but he was not awarded, instead Messi won it. but this remains mystery to me till date. Also perenial tournament like world cup, Euro or biennial tourney like copa America, maybe CAF nations cup is used. In mordern day football, Its only few players that have won world player or ballon d'or now without UCL criterion e.g Fabio Canavaro in 2006., Ronaldo De Lima of Brazil about twice or thereabout and ironically he hasn't won UCL before in his entire football career, but thats life for you.
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by Marcelini(m): 8:04am On May 31, 2016
Mickael2:
you should try to make some sense bro. So he wasn't needed against Man city? His team won because of an own goal, he could have made it two. He wasnt needed against PSG? Again they drew the match 0-0, and if not for Casemiro they would not win the second leg either. So they didn't need him against Atletico? You just decided to name 3 matches were he performed and I can assure you that that's all there is to him, those 3 games. I can name 10 where he was needed and he didn't perform. The 4-0 drubbing by Barca, the 1-0 loss to Atletico, the 1-1 draw with Malaga where he ironically missed a pk, the 2-2 draw with Valencia, the 3-2 loss to Sevilla, the 1-1 draw with Atletico again and the other champions league games that I mentioned. That's more than 10 already! So please, don't tell me that Madrid can't beat Wolfsburg without Ronaldo, they did beat Man city without him literally, and apart from the Wolfsburg game he is done, nothing extraordinary to his game again.

Your second point shows that you have never played a penalty before. The most tense penalty is the first one, why? Because you will have absolutely no time to study the goalkeeper. There is a reason why the best player in any team takes the first penalty, because the first penalty requires precision. I mean, the last time Ronaldo took the first penalty what happened? Against Chelsea, he bloody missed! What if Madrid missed their first 3 penalty kicks? They would have lost without him kicking a penalty. Now if you watch slowly, Oblak was going thesame way all the time, there was no tension behind that PK, if he missed they wouldn't have lost instantly, the pk would have gone on, so that reduces the tension to the barest minimum. And please,against Barca he wasn't needed either, Bale did score the 3rd goal that would have still won that match.

Finally, do you see the flaws in your argument? In 2013 he was the highest goalscorer, so highest goal scorer instantly means best player?! Robben got to the semifinal of the world cup too to add to his champions league medal, Messi got to the final of the world cup too but because Ronaldo scored more goals that makes him better? Well let me explain something to you, the balon D'or is for your performance between January and late November, do you know who the highest goalscorer is since January? Why it's Suarez, second? Messi. Do you know who has the highest number of assists since January? Why it's Messi, second? Can't really recall, Suarez or Mahrez, so using your logic of goals, Ronaldo shouldn't even be in the top two either so bummer, you ruined yourself
They won without him scoring, the end justifies the means, so they didn't need him.

Messi, Suarez and Neymar was needed by Barca against Athletico in Vicente Calderon, none of them showed up. I find it hard to understand why this simple fact is hard for you to digest. Your Suarez and Messi were ghosts in the rate determining game of their season.

They couldnt score a goal without Ronaldo against Wolfsburg, he scored all their goals in that match, go figure!
Any day Suarez Neymar or Messi are able to score up to 16 goals in a champions league campaign, something Ronaldo have done twice now, will be the day I will start believing you that there is nothing special about Ronaldo's game, until then, you are not making any point.

Last penalty is the most important, I'm sure that Terry of Chelsea will agree. Not many could stop seeing the glory before them and stay calm enough to convert.

Against Barca in camp nou, he provided the winning goal that gave Madrid the three points with 2-1 win.

Ronaldo just didn't score the most goals in 2013, he was exceptional, losing the semi finals via Pk to Bayern was never going to place Robben who had an injury plaqued first half of the season or the average Ribery with just few goals that season ahead of him.
World cup was in 2014, so I don't know it's relevance in determining the 2013 ballon d'or winner.

The last part of your write is incoherent. The most important tournament of this season was UCL, a tournament CR7 not only won but was central to his team winning it, and was the tournament top scorer, that my Friend is what matters most.
Ronaldo outscored Messi last season but couldn't win because Messi won the champions league, this time around CR7 has his hands on champions league, the most prestigious tournament of the year, and that will be his trump card come January.
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by Immality(m): 8:10am On May 31, 2016
saintkeppy:
. I remember in 2010, a world cup year, Wesley Sneidjer was very outstanding that season wining a treble with Inter Milan performed well at the world helping the Netherland to the worldcup finals, which they eventually lost to spain. How many goals Messi scored at worldcup? Messi won la liga that season & Argentina got knockout of world cup early. Bros we know these things count. Putting all these criteria into consideration did Leo Messi deserve the 2010 ballon d'or award? Yes or no. If yes, pls analyze & educate me more why he was awarded. Thank you!
So much love the way you argue..... We all argue to learn...

My dude has already analyzed it for us to see.... Inter won the Treble with the team collective efforts... Winning the ballon d‘or gat to do with individual performances nd what you have helped you team achieve.... Not even about scoring goals at the end your team will win nothing..... 2010 shown it that messi was the clear favourite....

Appearances 55
Goals scored 53 Assists 27
1 La liga. Champions League Top goal Scorer
2010.

What still happened in 2013... Bayern won it call nd Ribery performed well..... But it was given to CR7....

Bro check this year statistics published by fifa and you will definitely see that messi is a contender for the accolade..

Missing 10 matches through injury..... Comes back scored 41 goals and highest assists in Europe with 23 assists... wining The double..... setting up two assists to help Barcelona win d copa.... That's how a world best perform in crucial matches not scoring 10 goals in a match against a weaker opponent....
Lets not reason with sentiments...
God bless YOU
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by Marcelini(m): 8:19am On May 31, 2016
My dude has already analyzed it for us to see.... Inter won the Treble with the team collective efforts... Winning the ballon d‘or gat to do with individual performances nd what you have helped you team achieve.... Not even about scoring goals at the end your team will win nothing..... 2010 shown it that messi was the clear favourite....

This is a contradictory statement. On one hand you admit that Ballon d'or should not be given to a player for team effort but on individual efforts, and on the other hand you dismissed individual effort( which goals represent most times) and started talking about team effort which winning a match represents.
A forward player can score goals, but he ultimately depends on his team( defenders) to not concede for the team to win.


You are obviously suffering from of cognitive dissonance.
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by Immality(m): 8:55am On May 31, 2016
Marcelini:
They won without him scoring, the end justifies the means, so they didn't need him.

Messi, Suarez and Neymar was needed by Barca against Athletico in Vicente Calderon, none of them showed up. I find it hard to understand why this simple fact is hard for you to digest. Your Suarez and Messi were ghosts in the rate determining game of their season.

They couldnt score a goal without Ronaldo against Wolfsburg, he scored all their goals in that match, go figure!
Any day Suarez Neymar or Messi are able to score up to 16 goals in a champions league campaign, something Ronaldo have done twice now, will be the day I will start believing you that there is nothing special about Ronaldo's game, until then, you are not making any point.

Last penalty is the most important, I'm sure that Terry of Chelsea will agree. Not many could stop seeing the glory before them and stay calm enough to convert.

Against Barca in camp nou, he provided the winning goal that gave Madrid the three points with 2-1 win.

Ronaldo just didn't score the most goals in 2013, he was exceptional, losing the semi finals via Pk to Bayern was never going to place Robben who had an injury plaqued first half of the season or the average Ribery with just few goals that season ahead of him.
World cup was in 2014, so I don't know it's relevance in determining the 2013 ballon d'or winner.

The last part of your write is incoherent. The most important tournament of this season was UCL, a tournament CR7 not only won but was central to his team winning it, and was the tournament top scorer, that my Friend is what matters most.
Ronaldo outscored Messi last season but couldn't win because Messi won the champions league, this time around CR7 has his hands on champions league, the most prestigious tournament of the year, and that will be his trump card come January.
In your conclusion.... You will the CL . You win the ballon d‘or?
Let me give you just a tip of what you don't know....

Ronaldo 51 goals .. 15 assists ... played more matches

Suarez 59 goals.. 21 assists ...

Messi 41 goals.. 23 assists.. missed 10 matches

Neymar 30 goals.. 20 assists ...


Judge well...
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by cruz97(m): 9:18am On May 31, 2016
Immality:
Bias You said.... Euro and Copa American are fast approaching.... Don't have much to explain again cos I have already made my points.. Not hating anybody.... For scoring 6 goals against
Malmo, 5 against Shakhtar, 3 against Wolfsburg and
2 against Roma?
While disappearing against Psg, Mancity, and
Atletico?
so wolfsburg,roma,and shakhtar are small clubs right? If they are,they won't be in champions league
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by gurunlocker: 9:33am On May 31, 2016
Number one rule of football, don't argue with Ronaldo Fanboy..... They won't accept defeat......
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by saintkeppy(m): 10:00am On May 31, 2016
Immality:
So much love the way you argue..... We all argue to learn...

My dude has already analyzed it for us to see.... Inter won the Treble with the team collective efforts... Winning the ballon d‘or gat to do with individual performances nd what you have helped you team achieve.... Not even about scoring goals at the end your team will win nothing..... 2010 shown it that messi was the clear favourite....

Appearances 55
Goals scored 53 Assists 27
1 La liga. Champions League Top goal Scorer
2010.

What still happened in 2013... Bayern won it call nd Ribery performed well..... But it was given to CR7....

Bro check this year statistics published by fifa and you will definitely see that messi is a contender for the accolade..

Missing 10 matches through injury..... Comes back scored 41 goals and highest assists in Europe with 23 assists... wining The double..... setting up two assists to help Barcelona win d copa.... That's how a world best perform in crucial matches not scoring 10 goals in a match against a weaker opponent....
Lets not reason with sentiments...
God bless YOU
. Don't say Messi was a CLEAR Fovourite as at 2010, cos saying so means you are not being fair to Wesley Sneidjer who as an attacking midfielder has managed to score 41 goals & handful of over 20 assist in all competitions(individual performance) for Inter Milan that year. Though he may not have scored lot of goals as Messi due to his role playing behind 2strikers. I think he deserve it. He won more silverware(TREBLE) than any Barca player, he scored 5 goals & won 4 man-of-the-match awards at the worldcup where got a silver medal that same year under review.
In my own opinion, Messi deserve every other ballon d'or, as for that 2010 Wesley Sneidjer deserve it.
In 2013 i may not know Ribery's stats compare to CR7, and i wish FIFA comes up a more clear & strigent criterion of crowning best player of year, not forwards with the highest numbers of goals&assist. Or the change the name of the award to STRIKERS d'or
This year under review, kudos Leo Messi for scoring over 40 goals/23 assist in all competition despite injury worries, winning domestic double in the process. If you ask me the ballon d'or crown is between Lius Suarez &CR7 if you want to put the Stats of these two players into consideration.
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by Mickael2(m): 10:04am On May 31, 2016
Marcelini:
They won without him scoring, the end justifies the means, so they didn't need him.

Messi, Suarez and Neymar was needed by Barca against Athletico in Vicente Calderon, none of them showed up. I find it hard to understand why this simple fact is hard for you to digest. Your Suarez and Messi were ghosts in the rate determining game of their season.

They couldnt score a goal without Ronaldo against Wolfsburg, he scored all their goals in that match, go figure!
Any day Suarez Neymar or Messi are able to score up to 16 goals in a champions league campaign, something Ronaldo have done twice now, will be the day I will start believing you that there is nothing special about Ronaldo's game, until then, you are not making any point.

Last penalty is the most important, I'm sure that Terry of Chelsea will agree. Not many could stop seeing the glory before them and stay calm enough to convert.

Against Barca in camp nou, he provided the winning goal that gave Madrid the three points with 2-1 win.

Ronaldo just didn't score the most goals in 2013, he was exceptional, losing the semi finals via Pk to Bayern was never going to place Robben who had an injury plaqued first half of the season or the average Ribery with just few goals that season ahead of him.
World cup was in 2014, so I don't know it's relevance in determining the 2013 ballon d'or winner.

The last part of your write is incoherent. The most important tournament of this season was UCL, a tournament CR7 not only won but was central to his team winning it, and was the tournament top scorer, that my Friend is what matters most.
Ronaldo outscored Messi last season but couldn't win because Messi won the champions league, this time around CR7 has his hands on champions league, the most prestigious tournament of the year, and that will be his trump card come January.
You agree with me yet you want to disagree with yourself. I named up to 10 matches where they didn't win where they actually needed him but where was he? He was nowhere to be found so unless you explain to me where he was in those matches you still don't have a point there.

There you go again. Thank you, you named only one game where MSN were missing right? Ok, but didn't you consider the fact that the continously showed up for 38 league games?! We won the league, we played 38 games to win that trophy, we performed consisitently for 38 matches, the champions league is just 12 games, and Ronaldo performed extremely well in only 3 or 4 of the games, so what rubbish are you talking about?! You named only one match where they were missing, i just told you that it was the linesman's fault that a penalty wasn't awarded at the death because then we would have won. And point of correction, we beat Atletico and they beat us too, just that they scored more goals than we did, Madrid couldn't even beat Atletico with an offside goal!

There goes your mentality, goals goals goals. Please wake me up when Ronaldo has the highest number of assists in the champions league or UCL or any tournament infact, shows just how selfish he is no? You can name goals, I can name goals plus assists, that totally nulifies whatever you are saying. Messi held the record before Ronaldo, what makes you think he couldn't beat it? He is no more our primary goalscorer so why should that be his problem?

Ok, so you know better than the coaches who would tell their best penalty taker to take the first one? Please remind me the last time the best penalty taker in a team took the last penalty? I mean even Juanfran who missed his penalty actually scored the game winning penalty against PSV because he was under no pressure whatsoever! I can name other examples if you want.

You do realize that in 2013 Ronaldo won absolutely nothing? Not even the league, Copa or anything. And where was he outstanding? I understand your problem sha, now let me educate you, Ronaldo won the 2013 Balon D'Or because the dates were extended, Messi was the outright winner but Fifa decided to reopen the voting system immediately after the Portugal Vs Sweden game, and he then won by the slimest of margins. Ronaldo did nothing that season, I mean nothing! I can't remember correctly but he wasn't even the highest goalscorer that year but I will recheck and get back to you. In 2013 it was Borrusia Dortmund that defeated Madrid in the semi, not Bayern and it was humiliating. Lewandowski scored 4 goals and Ronaldo went missing. Bayern defeated Barca too with Messi out injured, you don't even know what you are arguing bro.
Last season Messi didn't just win the UCL, he won everything possible, that wasn't even a debate,he had more assists+goals than Ronaldo so that was why he won. And please, the UCL is not the most determining title, the league requires consistency and Barca and Messi and Suarez have been consistently good for a whole season not just in patches so again you are wrong
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by Mickael2(m): 10:10am On May 31, 2016
Marcelini:
Ronaldo didn't just win the champions league, he was a star player of the tournament, the leading goal scorer.

Ronaldo won Pichichi and golden boots like season, Messi rode on the back of Neymar and Suarez firing Barcelona to champions league trophy to upstage Ronaldo.
Ronaldo's Pichichi never counted, and so will Suarez Pichichi.

Ronaldo broke Records this season top of which is becoming the outright leading goal scorer in champions league history, ahead of legends like Raul and bitter rival like Messi.
He has won the champions league highest goal scorer for the third successive season.
He fired Madrid to her Sixth successive champions league semi final appearance.

Before his arrival Madrid spent more than 6 seasons stuck at the second round stage.

Ronaldo is home and dry with his 4th ballon d'or. Just as your wailing couldn't stop him and Madrid from clinching his 3rd champions league winners medal, so shall it not stop him from receiving his 4th ballon d'or in january next year.
Another biased comment. Ronaldo's pichichi last year did not count because he didn't win the league with it, which means he didnt score when it mattered. This season, Suarez's pichichi also won the trophy so if you think it wont count then am sorry for u.

You said he became the outright UCL highest goalscorer, did he score all the goals this season? No offence but that's a retarded point.

Also in Ronaldo's first season at Madrid, they lost in the Round of 16, it was after Di Maria's purchase and Modric too that they got to the semifinals the next year with a good coach too so again you are incorrect.
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by saintkeppy(m): 10:12am On May 31, 2016
Immality:
In your conclusion.... You will the CL . You win the ballon d‘or?
Let me give you just a tip of what you don't know....

Ronaldo 51 goals .. 15 assists ... played more matches

Suarez 59 goals.. 21 assists ...

Messi 41 goals.. 23 assists.. missed 10 matches

Neymar 30 goals.. 20 assists ...


Judge well...
. Stats for CR7 is not correct. He has scored 35goals/16 assists already in La Liga. So he no assists in UCL or copa del rey b4 they were eliminated? Pls check the records
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by Mickael2(m): 10:29am On May 31, 2016
saintkeppy:
. Stats for CR7 is not correct. He has scored 35goals/16 assists already in La Liga. So he no assists in UCL or copa del rey b4 they were eliminated? Pls check the records
Ronaldo?! 16 assists in the La Liga?! These Ronaldo fanboys don't even work with facts and figures. He had no more than 11 assists in La Liga, he wasn't even in the top 5 assists table in the La Liga. Messi and Suarez on top, Asensio of Espanyol, Bale or so, then there is this other player there, Ronaldo had at most, 11 assists all season long
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by saintkeppy(m): 10:31am On May 31, 2016
christopheru:
Appearances 55
Goals scored 53 Assists 27
1 La liga. Champions League Top goal Scorer 2010. Are you ok now?
. Still not enough compare to Wesley Sneidjer performance: 41 goals, over 20 assists, won Italian serie A title, Copa Italia,UCL.
Scored 5goals with few assists, won 4 FIFA man-of-the-match awards winning silver medal at FIFA world cup hosted in South Africa same 2010. So please Judge well.
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by Mickael2(m): 10:37am On May 31, 2016
saintkeppy:
. Still not enough compare to Wesley Sneidjer performance: 41 goals, over 20 assists, won Italian serie A title, Copa Italia,UCL.
Scored 5goals with few assists, won 4 FIFA man-of-the-match awards winning silver medal at FIFA world cup hosted in South Africa same 2010. So please Judge well.
Please Bro, Sneijder has never scored up to 40 goals, his highest number of goals was twenty something and I don't think that it was that year in fact. It was Diego Milito who was scoring all the goals for them, Sneijder with the assists, that's why people argue that their win was more of a collective effort. I don't know if he had up to 20 assists but I do also know that Messi had the highest number of assists that year. The true contenders that year were Xavi and Iniesta. Iniesta should have won it I agree but please, Sneijder wasn't even close. Using the same criteria, Ribbery should have won the 2013 balon d'or too so it cancels out
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by saintkeppy(m): 10:50am On May 31, 2016
Mickael2:
Ronaldo?! 16 assists in the La Liga?! These Ronaldo fanboys don't even work with facts and figures. He had no more than 11 assists in La Liga, he wasn't even in the top 5 assists table in the La Liga. Messi and Suarez on top, Asensio of Espanyol, Bale or so, then there is this other player there, Ronaldo had at most, 11 assists all season long
. Sorry, CR7 had 11 assists, both messi and suarez had 16 in La Liga alone. Typo error. I can see you are Taye Taiwo's fanboy. Lol
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by saintkeppy(m): 10:59am On May 31, 2016
Mickael2:
Please Bro, Sneijder has never scored up to 40 goals, his highest number of goals was twenty something and I don't think that it was that year in fact. It was Diego Milito who was scoring all the goals for them, Sneijder with the assists, that's why people argue that their win was more of a collective effort. I don't know if he had up to 20 assists but I do also know that Messi had the highest number of assists that year. The true contenders that year were Xavi and Iniesta. Iniesta should have won it I agree but please, Sneijder wasn't even close. Using the same criteria, Ribbery should have won the 2013 balon d'or too so it cancels out
. Pls read this article written by eastcoast bias by googling Lionel Messi:Deserving of a player of the year honors? www.25twofour.. Thanks
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by Mickael2(m): 11:40am On May 31, 2016
saintkeppy:
. Pls read this article written by eastcoast bias by googling Lionel Messi:Deserving of a player of the year honors? www.25twofour.. Thanks
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Wesley Sneijder
PROFILE | BIO | HISTORY | LOGS
2016/17 Statistics
GS G A YC RC
International Friendly 1 0 0 0 0
Total 1 0 0 0 0
2015/16 Statistics
GS G A YC RC
UEFA Europa League 2 0 0 0 0
UEFA Champions League 6 0 1 0 0
International Friendly 1 0 0 0 0
Total 9 0 23 0 0
2014/15 Statistics
GS G A YC RC
International Friendly 3 1 1 0 0
FIFA World Cup 1 0 0 0 0
FIFA World Cup 1 0 0 0 0
FIFA World Cup 1 0 0 0 0
FIFA World Cup 1 1 0 0 0
FIFA World Cup 3 0 1 0 0
Turkish Super Lig 3 0 0 0 0
UEFA Champions League 6 1 1 1 0
Total 19 3 28 1 0
2013/14 Statistics
GS G A YC RC
UEFA Champions League 6 2 1 1 0
Turkish Super Lig 2 0 0 0 0
International Friendly 4 1 1 0 0
World Cup Qualifying - UEFA 3 1 0 0 0
Total 15 4 22 1 0
2012/13 Statistics
GS G A YC RC
European Championship 3 0 1 0 0
UEFA Europa League 3 1 0 0 0
World Cup Qualifying - UEFA 3 0 2 0 0
International Friendly 5 1 2 0 0
UEFA Champions League 4 1 1 1 0
Italian Serie A 5 1 1 0 0
Total 23 4 49 1 0
2011/12 Statistics
GS G A YC RC
Italian Serie A 16 4 5 3 0
UEFA Champions League 5 0 1 0 0
International Friendly 2 1 0 0 0
Italian Super Cup 1 1 0 1 0
European Championship Qualifying 4 3 3 0 0
Italian Coppa Italia 2 0 0 1 0
Total 30 9 60 5 0
2010/11 Statistics
GS G A YC RC
FIFA Club World Cup 1 0 0 0 0
UEFA Super Cup 1 0 0 0 0
Italian Coppa Italia 2 0 0 1 0
European Championship Qualifying 4 0 2 0 0
FIFA World Cup 7 5 1 1 0
International Friendly 4 2 0 0 0
UEFA Champions League 9 3 2 1 0
Italian Serie A 22 4 5 1 0
Total 50 14 117 4 0
2009/10 Statistics
GS G A YC RC
Italian Serie A 24 4 6 3 2
UEFA Champions League 11 3 6 0 0
International Friendly 3 1 0 1 0
World Cup Qualifying - UEFA 1 0 0 0 0
Italian Coppa Italia 4 1 0 0 0
Total 43 9 110 4 2
2008/09 Statistics
GS G A YC RC
Spanish Copa del Rey 1 0 0 1 0
European Championship 3 2 2 0 0
World Cup Qualifying - UEFA 1 0 1 0 0
European Championship Qualifying 10 2 1 2 0
International Friendly 4 1 0 0 0
Spanish Primera División 18 2 2 7 0
UEFA Champions League 4 0 0 0 0
Total 41 7 61 10 0
2007/08 Statistics
GS G A YC RC
UEFA Champions League 5 0 1 0 0
UEFA Champions League 5 0 1 0 0
Spanish Primera División 27 9 6 8 0
International Friendly 3 1 0 1 0
Total 40 10 41 9 0
2006/07 Statistics
GS G A YC RC
Dutch Cup 3 0 0 2 0
FIFA World Cup 4 0 0 1 0
UEFA Cup 7 1 0 3 0
International Friendly 3 0 0 0 0
Dutch Eredivisie 31 18 0 6 1
UEFA Champions League 2 0 0 1 0
UEFA Cup 7 1 0 3 0
International Friendly 3 0 0 0 0
Dutch Eredivisie 1 1 0 1 0
Total 61 21 0 17 1
2005/06 Statistics
GS G A YC RC
Dutch Eredivisie 0 1 0 0 0
International Friendly 0 0 0 0 0
UEFA Champions League 5 4 0 0 0
Dutch Eredivisie 18 6 0 7 0
International Friendly 0 0 0 0 0
Total 23 11 0 7 0
2004/05 Statistics
GS G A YC RC
European Championship 0 0 0 0 0
European Championship Qualifying 3 0 0 0 0
European Championship Qualifying 1 1 0 0 0
International Friendly 4 1 0 0 0
UEFA Cup 1 0 0 0 0
Dutch Eredivisie 25 7 0 5 0
UEFA Champions League 5 0 0 2 0
UEFA Cup 1 0 0 0 0
Dutch Eredivisie 25 7 0 5 0
Total 65 16 0 12 0
2003/04 Statistics
GS G A YC RC
Dutch Eredivisie 28 9 0 3 0
UEFA Champions League 4 1 0 1 0
Dutch Eredivisie 28 9 0 3 0
Total 60 19 0 7 0
2002/03 Statistics
GS G A YC RC
Dutch Eredivisie 15 4 0 2 0
UEFA Champions League 1 0 0 0 0
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Do you know what 41 goals mean?! Even Diego their highest goal scorer didnt score up to 40 goals that year. He didn't even get up to 20 assists like I suspected and that's from ESPN, if you want to confirm it, follow these steps:
Go to www.espn.com, scroll down you will see All leagues, click there, you will see Europe, click there, scroll down till you see Trukish Super Lig, click there, scroll down,click on all teams, u will see Galatassary, click on it, then click on Squad, then look for W. Sneijder, it's on the second page so click next, then click on W. Sneijder when you see it, then you will see everything you need to know. I work with facts bro, not assumptions
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by sportman117: 11:48am On May 31, 2016
Marcelini:
Lol! Trust Ronaldo to score a hatrick in any one of those fixtures and render whatever happened in Euro and Copa America useless.

And who even says Ronaldo and Portugal can't reach the later stages in Euro with Ronaldo scoring many goals on the road, Portugal national team seem to be getting better now.
I don't think Ronaldo can perform very well in this year EURO due to his injury, if not for that at list if not one goal he would have score before the end of the match.for me i think he deserve the award and you can also predict the player that you think is the best on [url]naijabet.com[/url]
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by Immality(m): 12:19pm On May 31, 2016
Mickael2:
You agree with me yet you want to disagree with yourself. I named up to 10 matches where they didn't win where they actually needed him but where was he? He was nowhere to be found so unless you explain to me where he was in those matches you still don't have a point there.

There you go again. Thank you, you named only one game where MSN were missing right? Ok, but didn't you consider the fact that the continously showed up for 38 league games?! We won the league, we played 38 games to win that trophy, we performed consisitently for 38 matches, the champions league is just 12 games, and Ronaldo performed extremely well in only 3 or 4 of the games, so what rubbish are you talking about?! You named only one match where they were missing, i just told you that it was the linesman's fault that a penalty wasn't awarded at the death because then we would have won. And point of correction, we beat Atletico and they beat us too, just that they scored more goals than we did, Madrid couldn't even beat Atletico with an offside goal!

There goes your mentality, goals goals goals. Please wake me up when Ronaldo has the highest number of assists in the champions league or UCL or any tournament infact, shows just how selfish he is no? You can name goals, I can name goals plus assists, that totally nulifies whatever you are saying. Messi held the record before Ronaldo, what makes you think he couldn't beat it? He is no more our primary goalscorer so why should that be his problem?

Ok, so you know better than the coaches who would tell their best penalty taker to take the first one? Please remind me the last time the best penalty taker in a team took the last penalty? I mean even Juanfran who missed his penalty actually scored the game winning penalty against PSV because he was under no pressure whatsoever! I can name other examples if you want.

You do realize that in 2013 Ronaldo won absolutely nothing? Not even the league, Copa or anything. And where was he outstanding? I understand your problem sha, now let me educate you, Ronaldo won the 2013 Balon D'Or because the dates were extended, Messi was the outright winner but Fifa decided to reopen the voting system immediately after the Portugal Vs Sweden game, and he then won by the slimest of margins. Ronaldo did nothing that season, I mean nothing! I can't remember correctly but he wasn't even the highest goalscorer that year but I will recheck and get back to you. In 2013 it was Borrusia Dortmund that defeated Madrid in the semi, not Bayern and it was humiliating. Lewandowski scored 4 goals and Ronaldo went missing. Bayern defeated Barca too with Messi out injured, you don't even know what you are arguing bro.
Last season Messi didn't just win the UCL, he won everything possible, that wasn't even a debate,he had more assists+goals than Ronaldo so that was why he won. And please, the UCL is not the most determining title, the league requires consistency and Barca and Messi and Suarez have been consistently good for a whole season not just in patches so again you are wrong
May your days be long bro....
Your facts r well understood..
Some think we're here to call ourselves names..
This actually how fifa debate and vote the winner..
I respect your speech...
Is educative nd simple to understand....

Kudos
Re: With Real Madrid Being Champions Of Europe, Who Deserves Balon D' Or? by Greenpunter1(m): 12:55pm On May 31, 2016
Ronaldo haters, help me explain This, Ronaldo dont assist goals, but he is the second all time highest assist maker in the Ucl with 26 goals behind Ryan Giggs. Men Ronaldo criticizers, so dumb.
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