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Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by DrinkWater10: 11:35pm On Jun 19, 2016
Just to add to the discussion at hand, Wikipedia describes Ikwere as a sub group of the Igbo tribe and also described the Ikwere language as on of the diverse dialects of the Igbo language. Making me wonder as to the origin of this denials.
I remember Tonto Dike being asked on ENT Splash TVC, if she was igbo and she replied thus:
'No o- I m Ikwere'. leaving the anchor awe.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Deadlytruth(m): 6:11am On Jun 20, 2016
Igboid:
Can you provide just one colonial document, where the British granted any of the Nigerian region the right to secede?

How exactly can Zik, a civilian with no military back up force Yorubas and the North into Nigerian project? Are you even listening to yourself?

The North was not ready for independence, yes, but there was never a time the British granted any of the regions leeway to secede. It was never on the agenda.

If Awo wanted to secede, all needed do was declare the Western region an independent region, but Awo was scared of the repercussion, so he hid behind Zik and the North to demand for secession clause, when he knew a too well that the British were not open to Nigeria dIsintegration.

If Awo declared Independence and Zik mobilized Igbo soldiers to fight him, you would have had a point, but as it stands, you are assigning supernatural powers to Zik, by insinuating that he forced the West and North into the Nigerian union.

You simply have no point.
What are you saying? I said Enahoro and Awolowo proposed the inclusion of secession clause in the conference held towards the independence constitution and Zik's NCNC rejected it with the support of Britain which wanted Nigeria to remain for them to economically exploit. How does that mean that I alleged that Britain granted any region the power to seceed and Zik refused? If Britain granted the right to secession then why would Awo and Enahoro still be proposing it?

You asked how could Zik a civilian force Yorubas and Hausas not to seceed? Zik's military back up was Britain which wanted Nigeria to remain. As a pure civilian Awolowo had no military skills or training, and also had no command over the army. So how could he have on his own just declared independence for the West the way Ojukwu (a soldier) did? Of course he had to be afraid of the British repercussion which he knew would be bloody and lead to the massacre of his own kinsmen. It would have simply been stupid for him to seek secession in a manner that would cause bloodshed when a bloodless option could be used which involved seeking to have it in the constitution first. And that was why he pressed for secession to be part of the constitution first so that he might later get it through the non-violent means of referendum as normally expected of a civilian.

But Zik was so fascinated by "One Nigeria" that he gave no thought to the possibility of future misgovernance that could justify the need for any part to seceed. So he did not want to hear about federalism or confederation. So whoever preached confederacy, he saw as a tribalist. It was sheer buffonrey for Zik to have so believed that a country of over 400 tribes with opposing cultures would be a bed of roses and would be so perfectly governed that there was no need to have secession clause in the constitution to make a very bloodless break up possible.
If I may ask you, why did Ojukwu in his notes on Nigeria describe Zik as a dreamer but described Ahmadu Bello and Awolowo as hard headed realists?

See comments from the President of
Ohanezee; I guess you are going to say that
the Old man is a liar.
"Again, in 1957 when the British Colonial
Government, under intense pressure
from Southern politicians pressing for
independence, attempted to uncouple
the union between the North and South
forged through Lord Lugard’s
Amalgamation of 1914, with the offer of
independence to the three Regions
individually provided any two accepted
the offer, a political crisis loomed large
on the national horizon. The Northern
Region, led by the Northern Peoples
Congress (NPC) took the position that
the North was not ready for that level of
political and economic independence.
The Western Region, led by Chief
Awolowo’s Action Group (AG) promptly,
declared its readiness to accept the
offer. It was the Igbo-led NCNC that held
the balance. It was an issue that could
make or break Nigeria if the three
Regions chose to go their separate ways
to independence.
The NCNC leader, Dr. Nnamdi Azikiwe
took the stand that although the Eastern
Region was ready to assume the
responsibilities of Regional
independence, its attainment without
the North would lead, in his own words,
to the ‘’Balkanization of the Nigeria
Nation and conceivably a break-up of
the country".

Zik's position meant that The Eastern Region would
rather suppress it’s appetite for
independence and the obvious gains it
would entail until the Northern Region
was ready. That was how Nigeria
Independence was delayed until 1960. In
short, the Igbo-led Eastern Region would
rather forgo the advancement of its own
political economic interests than risk the
break-up of Nigeria.
Had the Eastern Region opted for
Independence at that time, the territory
under its control would have comprised in
today’s terms the following nine States with
their enormous human and natural
resources: Abia, Akwa-Ibom, Anambra,
Bayelsa, Cross River, Ebonyi, Enugu, Imo,
Rivers state. It would also probably include
Southern Cameroun with the oil rich
Bakassi Peninsula. If not for Zik, by 1960,
the three Regions would have become
separate sovereign states and there would
have been no question of Biafra’s attempted
secession in 1967 from a non-existing
Nigeria federation and the devastating civil
war fought to stop it.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by 99xtr99r: 2:19pm On Jun 20, 2016
The long and short of the matter is that Nigeria is a travesty. Ab initio the various ethnic groups have no business being in a country and so the contraption was meant not to be at all. And now it's expired already after 102 years of wild goose chase.

Dwelling on inanities with vain repetitions amounts to chasing shadows. It behoves on every sane group to find their escape routes and go fend for themselves now that the sun is still shining.

It's wicked and evil to so subtly use any trumped up excuse to support the continuation of this expired entity cum contraption which has hitherto been sustained by gross injustice, lopsidedness and continual bloodletting.

Many Igbos have decided to have a separate existence from the confused hypocrites and parasites parading as One-Nigerianists.

So, if Igbos don't want to be with you any longer, then you have no business being with them. Go sort yourselves out and let others be.

Strange bedfellows, with irreconcilable value systems that are at best suitable for the individual selves, are not meant to be together!
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Deadlytruth(m):
As long as Igbos remain guiltiest of the act of preventing the dissolution of this forced marriage at a time it would have been easiest to dissolve without a single bloodshed or gunshot and at a time all other tribes sought it , then the Igbos have most of the work to do as well as most of the sacrifice to make towards dissolving it now that it can't be done peacefully and without blood. Other tribes are even more eager than Igbos to have this British marriage end. What they are however not ready for is to sacrifice their blood to press for a dissolution for Igbos to benefit from after having prevented it at a time it would have been without blood or bullets.

I can't sacrifice my own blood seeking for the freedom of another person who mocked me and called me names at a time I was first to ask for the same freedom he too now seeks so desperately. It does not make sense. We'll all patiently wait as "nationalists" which they claimed to be for preventing our freedom. If however they are able to successfully accelerate the freedom with their own blood we will welcome it and congratulate them.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Igboid: 6:49pm On Jun 20, 2016
@ Deadlytruth

Again, you don't get the point. Zik at no point in time threatened Awolowo and the Western region war, should they leave the union. It was a well understood thing amongst the elites, that any that seek for the dissolution of the colonial entity must first battle the British.

Zik was only convincing Awo and his band of cowards to stay and avoid the repercussions of secession. It must be emphasized that Nigeria's independence was not won in battle field, it was negotiated and it was obvious that the British would not grant independence to any separate region that would seek to leave the union.

Bamenda wanted full independence, but the colonial masters had already drawn the map of Africa the way they seemed fit in Berlin, and would not allow indigenous people have a say in it. Hence Bamenda was presented the option of either joining Cameroun or remaining in Nigeria, the only way they could attain their main desire, which was to exist as an independent state, was by going out on a full war with the British.

Awo and Enahoro know the only pathway to secession for any of the regions was full war with the British, Zik was only relaying the British position of things to them, and diplomatically persuaded them to forgo their secession agenda. He never forced anyone at gun point to remain in Nigeria.

If Awo wanted secession that bad, he could have gone on to declare his region independent and dare the wrath of the British. And if he did so, and Zik rallied Ndiigbo to enroll into Nigerian military and serve as foot soldiers for the British to punish the Yorubas and bring them back to Nigeria , then the propaganda of Zik forcing one Nigeria on Awo and Western Nigeria would have grounds.

But as it stands, that argument is a non starter, as Zik was only saving his head by not defying the British, if Awo wanted secession bad enough, he could have declared Independence of the Western region, he didn't, he chickened out, and today his descendants and fans think they can lay Awo's cowardice on the feet of Zik?

Are you guys for real?
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Nobody: 7:23pm On Jun 20, 2016
despite all your pseudo bragging about the igbos, they remain a LANDLOCKED ENTITY. YOU GOT NO ACCESS TO THE SEA.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by 99xtr99r:
To all Uneme-Nekhua people and their cotravellers, especially those who cannot be reckoned to have made ANY positive, remarkable or meaningful contribution to the pre-Independence/Independence era of this contraption:

Whether landlocked, sea-locked, air-locked, sunlight-locked, gravity-locked and all what not Igbos cannot be deterred from having a separate existence from greedy, treasury looters cum murderous parasites.

Igbos cannot continue in an evil union where the blood of her people are shed daily on the dirty streets of Nigeria for the fun of Hausa-Fulanis and their Southern collaborators and ass-lickers.

Igbos have nothing in common with you lots. So, channel your negative energies towards OduaArewanistan republic, uniting all your fellow murderous folks and parasites.

Stop creating unnecessary attentions for yourselves as if you're that worthless. And leave Igbos out of your miseries. It's pathetic already!
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by HopeAtHand: 9:20pm On Jun 20, 2016
99xtr99r:
Whether landlocked, sea-locked, air-locked, sunlight-locked, gravity-locked and all what not Igbos cannot be deterred from having a separate existence from greedy, treasury looters cum murderous parasites.

Igbos cannot continue in an evil union where the blood of her people are shed daily on the dirty streets of Nigeria for the fun of Hausa-Fulanis and their Southern collaborators and ass-lickers.

Igbos have nothing in common with you lots. So, channel your negative energies towards OduaArewanistan republic, uniting all your fellow murderous folks and parasites. Leave Igbos out of your miseries.
first, i like your writing style.

Second, i think any immediate breakup of Nigeria will not solve the existing two-pronged problems of tribalism and corruption overnight. And i have my reasons.

Reasons are 1) Subconscious indiscrimibation...

Nigerians have grown that subconsciouness to indiscriminate. Now, it is fashionable to love to hate the Hausa/fulani and Yorubas, we pick on them and lay blaims at their feet at any given oopportunity. The danger in this is that the removal of the hausa/fulani and Yoruba will not solve the already subconcious feel to discrimate someone. Tomorrow in the absensce of our favourites, we will refer to someone else as that wicked Mbaise man, that lazy Ngwa man, that wayward Owerri woman.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by HopeAtHand:
For eg, i will use Ikwerre where i come from. In my multi-ethnic state of Rivers, if there is a vacant position, subconsciously, i will prefer any Ikwerre person over any other tribe. If all the applicants were Ikwerre, i will pick the person from my clan, if they were all my clansmen, i wil pick my compound guy. Many Nigerians can relate to this.. This is where the tribal discrimination of the Nigerian state has led us to. It is peculiar to all of us. How do we arrest this.

2) Institutionalised corruption.

Corrpution is the only vice that bests tribalism in Nigeria. Let Nigeria split today to a million countries, corruption is a legacy that all will take from it.

Corruption in Nigeria cannot be overemphasized. It spans all spheres of National life, and it is something that cannot be eased away because youve formed a new republic.


I belive true fiscal federalism for atleatst 20yrs will place us on the path to self recovery, after which we can then access ourselves and then determine wether we have evolved to exist as independent states.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by 99xtr99r:
HopeAtHand:
first, i like your writing style.

Second, i think any immediate breakup of Nigeria will not solve the existing two-pronged problems of tribalism and corruption overnight. And i have my reasons.

Reasons are 1) Subconscious indiscrimibation...

Nigerians have grown that subconsciouness to indiscriminate. Now, it is fashionable to love to hate the Hausa/fulani and Yorubas, we pick on them and lay blaims at their feet at any given oopportunity. The danger in this is that the removal of the hausa/fulani and Yoruba will not solve the already subconcious feel to discrimate someone. Tomorrow in the absensce of our favourites, we will refer to someone else as that wicked Mbaise man, that lazy Ngwa man, that wayward Owerri woman.
Whether seeking a separate existence will pose any danger or not, the fact still remains that self-determination remains an inalienable right of ANY people.

You've got freedom of association. Ikwerre, Owerri, Mbaise and Ngwa can choose to merge with Yorubas in OduaArewanistan republic. It's their inalienable right.

We were not born to continue to be together.

BTW, what kind of danger is inherent in the coming together of like-minded people that will amount or surmount that obtainable in this cesspit of gross injustice, crass looting of the treasury and continual sacrifice of thousands upon thousands of innocent people to keep Nigeria one at the expense of justice, fairness and equity?

A fraudulent union where where you persistently rob Peter to perennially pay parasitic Paul. A contraption where you are free to display wickedness and evil and then you use the resources from others to organise a jamboree party and expect them to appreciate such evil as show of love.

An unjust system where you're licensed to use foul means to destroy my business in your State notwithstanding the outrageous taxes. You can close my business premises at will while your elites continue to shout 'One Nigeria' to cover up the evils and injustices prevalent in the land. And you still expect me to be docile and continue to suffer silently as your hate and envy for my progress soar high.

The real danger is continuing in this fraudulent union of gross injustice; insitutionalised discrimination in ministries, parastatals and security outfits; Quota System; lopsided citing of federal infrastructures and investments; treasury-lootings and bloodletting as it's been propagated by enemies of progress. They do so by budgeting and spending scarce resources in spreading lies and wicked propaganda just to maintain the status quo.

Britain made a fundamental error to join strange bedfellows - ethnic nationalities who have different aspirations and irreconcilable value systems. The 102 years of existence is a prove to that verdict.

If for about 56 years of Independence and of waiting and hoping for a miracle of better Nigeria have been fruitless with so many innocent people being sacrificed and still being sacrificed then it proved that the Nigerian project cannot work. 

The Business Venture of Lord Lugard being supervised by the Islamic Fulani-led fiefdom, maintained by Hausa born-to-rule hegemony and oiled by Yoruba propaganda and lies is moribund already.

'One Nigeria' is just for self benefit - anybody or tribe who is benefiting from it, be it in civil service, politics and business through monopoly, backed by evil structures put in place by past rulers will not agree that Nigeria should be restructured or otherwise.

Knowing the evils thereof, keeping quiet and docile and feigning ignorance of the ugly situation in the polity is a greater evil itself. 

I tell you, anyone who supports in the smallest ways the sustenance of a criminal system that has only brought shame, waste, killings and backwardness, should be charged with crimes against humanity.

India, Pakistan and Bangladesh were once together in a country created by Britain. The three understood that they are strange bedfellows and therefore cannot stay put together. India is predominantly Hindu, Pakistan Muslim and Bangladesh more or less struggling economically. They used their common sense and sought their separate existences.

If a world power like the Soviet Union (USSR) could emerge with 15 republics without firing a gun then a fraudulent contraption like Nigeria is a forgone conclusion.

The road may be long, the process may be costly, some might even pay with their lives, but more than ever important is that the Igbo people desire liberty, justice and equity. No man on this planet can hold them back...
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by ericuzor(m): 10:43pm On Jun 20, 2016
lyricalpontiff:
I am Ikwerre and this is the daftest article I have read all year long. Obio/Akpo LGA is richer and bigger than Ebonyi state. Ikwerres have similarities in names and language but our culture is different from that of the Igbos even our traditions and identity. We have different history, we mixed up with the igbos due to trade. Our real identity is "iwuruoha". It's the white man that caused most of this things.
They made aba the capital of our region make most headquarters of business and corporation reside there and made an igbo man mayor of Portharcourt. That's why almost all the streets in Diobu are igbo names. I have personally discussed with Sir Elechi Amadi and he told me a lot including why we supported Nigeria. I'm from Ogbakiri and we have no trace of origin from igbos. We can bear the same names or even speak the same language but we have our different traditions and identity.
Please don't kill yourself over this, Ikwerres will never want to associate themselves with igbos, we have this superior feeling that we better than the igbos, hence the laziness in our people. Bye
hahahhaah you have fairy tale superior feeling i laugh in Swahili,how can a lazy man be superior were e dey happen
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Deadlytruth(m):
Igboid:
@ Deadlytruth

Again, you don't get the point. Zik at no point in time threatened Awolowo and the Western region war, should they leave the union. It was a well understood thing amongst the elites, that any that seek for the dissolution of the colonial entity must first battle the British.

Zik was only convincing Awo and his band of cowards to stay and avoid the repercussions of secession. It must be emphasized that Nigeria's independence was not won in battle field, it was negotiated and it was obvious that the British would not grant independence to any separate region that would seek to leave the union.

Bamenda wanted full independence, but the colonial masters had already drawn the map of Africa the way they seemed fit in Berlin, and would not allow indigenous people have a say in it. Hence Bamenda was presented the option of either joining Cameroun or remaining in Nigeria, the only way they could attain their main desire, which was to exist as an independent state, was by going out on a full war with the British.

Awo and Enahoro know the only pathway to secession for any of the regions was full war with the British, Zik was only relaying the British position of things to them, and diplomatically persuaded them to forgo their secession agenda. He never forced anyone at gun point to remain in Nigeria.

If Awo wanted secession that bad, he could have gone on to declare his region independent and dare the wrath of the British. And if he did so, and Zik rallied Ndiigbo to enroll into Nigerian military and serve as foot soldiers for the British to punish the Yorubas and bring them back to Nigeria , then the propaganda of Zik forcing one Nigeria on Awo and Western Nigeria would have grounds.

But as it stands, that argument is a non starter, as Zik was only saving his head by not defying the British, if Awo wanted secession bad enough, he could have declared Independence of the Western region, he didn't, he chickened out, and today his descendants and fans think they can lay Awo's cowardice on the feet of Zik?

Are you guys for real?
You are very funny. You missed my argument completely. Was the secession clause which Enahoro and Awolowo proposed going to take effect while Britain was still around or after their departure with their military might? It was targeted to be used in future after the colonial masters must have left and would therefore not be able to force back into Nigeria anyone which wanted to seceed.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Igboid: 3:54pm On Jun 21, 2016
Deadlytruth:
You are very funny. You missed my argument completely. Was the secession clause which Enahoro and Awolowo proposed going to take effect while Britain was still around or after their departure with their military might? It was targeted to be used in future after the colonial masters must have left and would therefore not be able to force back into Nigeria anyone who wanted to seceed.
Nigeria independence was negotiated and not won in battle front, incase you have not noticed. There was never going to be room for secession by the British. That must have been part of the conditions. If secession was as easy as you thought, Bamenda would have achieved it, instead she was offered the option to either join the Cameroon or remain stuck in Nigeria.

You think the British would have been too stupid not to notice the secession clause and it's future implications?
Zik wanted independence by all means,even if it meant playing by the British rule, as the only alternative was arm struggle, which Nigeria would not have stood a chance.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Deadlytruth(m): 5:29pm On Jun 21, 2016
Igboid:
Nigeria independence was negotiated and not won in battle front, incase you have not noticed. There was never going to be room for secession by the British. That must have been part of the conditions. If secession was as easy as you thought, Bamenda would have achieved it, instead she was offered the option to either join the Cameroon or remain stuck in Nigeria.

You think the British would have been too stupid not to notice the secession clause and it's future implications?
Zik wanted independence by all means,even if it meant playing by the British rule, as the only alternative was arm struggle, which Nigeria would not have stood a chance.
Are you suggesting that if the three regions had all agreed to go their separate ways,or at least all unanimously agreed to the secession clause Britain would have refused and then just start shooting and killing Nigerians and the UNO and other world powers would be watching?
When Ojukwu later declared secession was it Britain that fought him back or Northern Nigeria for selfish interest? If, in response to Ojukwu's declaration of Biafra, Gowon had simply congratulated Ojukwu and wished him and his new Republic well, would Britain have come to force Biafra back into Nigeria?
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Deadlytruth(m): 6:10pm On Jun 21, 2016
Igboid:
Nigeria independence was negotiated and not won in battle front, incase you have not noticed. There was never going to be room for secession by the British. That must have been part of the conditions. If secession was as easy as you thought, Bamenda would have achieved it, instead she was offered the option to either join the Cameroon or remain stuck in Nigeria.

You think the British would have been too stupid not to notice the secession clause and it's future implications?
Zik wanted independence by all means,even if it meant playing by the British rule, as the only alternative was arm struggle, which Nigeria would not have stood a chance.
Are you suggesting that if the three regions had all agreed to go their separate ways,or at least all unanimously agreed to the secession clause Britain would have refused and then just start shooting and killing Nigerians and the UNO and other world powers would be watching?
When Ojukwu later declared secession was it Britain that fought him back or Northern Nigeria for selfish interest? If, in response to Ojukwu's declaration of Biafra, Gowon had simply congratulated Ojukwu and wished him and his new Republic well, would Britain have come to force Biafra back into Nigeria?
If the fear of Britain's repercussion was what informed Zik's dislike for anything secession then how come Enahoro who proposed the clause was not aware of the possibility of British repercussion?
Zik's dislike for secession was not a matter of fear of Britain but of a deep (though erroneous) personal conviction that an intact Nigeria would be better than a dismembered NIgeria. It was still the same desperation for an intact Nigeria that made him accept the NPC-NCNC (East-North) alliance to the rejection of the all South (NCNC-NDC-AG) alliance which, in his own words, would not augur well for national unity as it would leave the North out in the cold and therefore lead to early split of Nigeria as Ahmadu Bello had already threatened would be the consequence of the North not handling power post independence. If at all Zik had any fear, it was fear (not trepidation) of Ahmadu Bello and not fear of Britain.
All Zik's public speeches back then were full of boldly expressed aversion for anything that smelled of secession, but clearly indicated genuine and passionate belief in one-Nigeria. None of them indicated he was pretending about it just for fear of Britain, except you are now trying to convince me he was an excellent pretender.
Zik so much believed in "One-Nigeria" that he not only hated the mention of confederation but even feared that federalism (which even Britain granted) was as well loose enough to later give way to secession, hence his belief in only unitary system which is the system most insulated from secession.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Igboid: 6:52pm On Jun 21, 2016
When Ojukwu later declared secession was it Britain that fought him back or Northern Nigeria for selfish interest? If, in response to Ojukwu's declaration of Biafra, Gowon had simply congratulated Ojukwu and wished him and his new Republic well, would Britain have come to force Biafra back into Nigeria?


Yes! It was the British that fought Ojukwu and sought to keep Nigeria one. Gowon and Awo were mere puppets they used, and the Nigerian military were but their foot soldiers.

History has it that the July coup was carried out by the North with aim to secede. The Northerners were shouting "Araba"( Secession), during the Igbo massacre, it was their intent to secede until the British came in and promised to fund their war in exchange for crude oil control.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Igboid: 6:59pm On Jun 21, 2016
Are you suggesting that if the three regions had all agreed to go their separate ways,or at least all unanimously agreed to the secession clause Britain would have refused and then just start shooting and killing Nigerians and the UNO and other world powers would be watching?

Were the world powers and UNO not watching while Bia***ns were shot and starved by the British backed Nigeria?

If the regional leaders refused to concede to the British idea of a Post independent Nigeria, there wouldn't be any independence, and nothing would have happened, except resort to violent struggle by the independence campaigners, which of course would see the British handle them as they deemed fit, and nothing will happen, it's a Caucasian world.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Igboid: 8:20pm On Jun 21, 2016
If the fear of Britain's repercussion was what informed Zik's dislike for anything secession then how come Enahoro who proposed the clause was not aware of the possibility of British repercussion?
Zik's dislike for secession was not a matter of fear of Britain but of a deep (though erroneous) personal conviction that an intact Nigeria would be better than a dismembered NIgeria.


No doubt the fact that Zik was a staunch "one Nigeria" apologists, but it's also true that this his "one Nigeria" dream was in alignment with the British interests.

Enahoro and Awo proposed for a secession clause, to which Zik declined, how exactly does this translate to Zik forcing one Nigeria on Yorubas and Edoids, did Zik hold them at gun point to still go on with one Nigeria without secession clause? No! He simply persuaded them with superior argument and made them see reason. If at any point Awo and Enahoro felt uncomfortable with one Nigeria, they reserved the right to seek a redress via declaration of their region independent, and if Zik serves as a puppet in the British desire to draw them back, then they could really say that Zik made secession impossible for them.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Igboid: 8:24pm On Jun 21, 2016
All in all. You are yet to prove that Zik forced Yorubas and Edoids into the Nigerian union, as there was never a time the Edoids and Yorubas declared Independence and Zik led a military campaign to bring them back to the union. Zik was entitled to his belief and exercised them by voting against secession clause, but this does not in anyway translate to Zik preventing the Yorubas from seceding.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Igboid: 8:24pm On Jun 21, 2016
All in all. You are yet to prove that Zik forced Yorubas and Edoids into the Nigerian union, as there was never a time the Edoids and Yorubas declared Independence and Zik led a military campaign to bring them back to the union. Zik was entitled to his belief and exercised them by voting against secession clause, but this does not in anyway translate to Zik preventing the Yorubas and Edoids from secession.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Deadlytruth(m):
Igboid:
When Ojukwu later declared secession was it Britain that fought him back or Northern Nigeria for selfish interest? If, in response to Ojukwu's declaration of Biafra, Gowon had simply congratulated Ojukwu and wished him and his new Republic well, would Britain have come to force Biafra back into Nigeria?


Yes! It was the British that fought Ojukwu and sought to keep Nigeria one. Gowon and Awo were mere puppets they used, and the Nigerian military were but their foot soldiers.

History has it that the July coup was carried out by the North with aim to secede. The Northerners were shouting "Araba"( Secession), during the Igbo massacre, it was their intent to secede until the British came in and promised to fund their war in exchange for crude oil control.
You did not answer my question. Had the North too stubbornly refused to listen to Britain but insisted on Araba at the same time Ojukwu declared Biafra would Britain have declared a war against Ojukwu and Gowon simultaneously? Britain did not force Gowon to drop Araba idea. No! They only persuaded Gowon by educating him on the benefits of crude oil that had just been found in the Eastern Region. Remember that the same Britain also persuaded Aguyi Ironsi to make sure Nigeria remains and Aguyi Ironsi, obviously an admirer of Zik and all that Zik stood for, went ahead and promulgated anti-secession decree.
The Ojukwu who later wanted secession was himself guilty of holding back Isaac Boro's Niger Delta Republic from seceeding. Was it Britain that forced Ojukwu to hold Isaac Boro back? If yes, then why did Ojukwu later seek for his own secession knowing fully well that the same Britain would not allow it? If It was really Britain that made Ojukwu and Ironsi hold Isaac Boro back, then Ojukwu himself would not have later ever contemplated secession as that same Britain was still around the corner to successfully thwart his own too.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Deadlytruth(m): 5:57am On Jun 22, 2016
Igboid:
Are you suggesting that if the three regions had all agreed to go their separate ways,or at least all unanimously agreed to the secession clause Britain would have refused and then just start shooting and killing Nigerians and the UNO and other world powers would be watching?

Were the world powers and UNO not watching while Bia***ns were shot and starved by the British backed Nigeria?

If the regional leaders refused to concede to the British idea of a Post independent Nigeria, there wouldn't be any independence, and nothing would have happened, except resort to violent struggle by the independence campaigners, which of course would see the British handle them as they deemed fit, and nothing will happen, it's a Caucasian world.
You are over-exaggerating the influence of Western world powers. When Ethiopia was united against colonization were the colonialists able to colonize them against their own will? When Eritrea decided to later pull out of Ethiopia could any foreign power hold them back in Ethiopia? Were foreign powers able to hold South Sudan back with North Sudan? The problem with Nigeria's was not British might but internal hypocrisy on the paths of both the North and East as the East first preached "One -Nigeria" in defiance to stark reality but later turned around to ask for secession when that reality they ignored began to hit them hard, while the North which initially asked for araba (break up) later began to preach "One-Nigeria" because something bigger than groundnut had just been found. These were the cracks in the wall which Britain capitalized on. Without these hypocrisies in place Britain would not have found any portal of entry into the issue. All Britain needed was just one side to be against break up and they always found it in the East and North at different times.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Deadlytruth(m):
Igboid:
All in all. You are yet to prove that Zik forced Yorubas and Edoids into the Nigerian union, as there was never a time the Edoids and Yorubas declared Independence and Zik led a military campaign to bring them back to the union. Zik was entitled to his belief and exercised them by voting against secession clause, but this does not in anyway translate to Zik preventing the Yorubas and Edoids from secession.
I may not be able to speak for Yorubas, but I can confidently tell you that the fact that Edos were and are still a minority both in the military and among the civilian population compared with the three big WaZoBia tribes, and that Edos are geographically sandwiched between Igbos, Yorubas and Arewa made Enahoro fear that Edoland would obviously be the battle frontline between the big three in a bloody secession war and thus Edo would have more percentage population to lose than any other tribe, hence his proactive proposal of that secession clause which would have guaranteed a secession without a gunshot or a drop of blood. Enahoro was that far sighted. Only Zik was completely blinded by misguided optimism even while his own kinsmen had already started being massacred by the very Northerners he was seeking "One-Nigeria" with. A man (Enahoro) who was so wise and so much averse to possible massacre of his own people would never have later endangered those very people's lives by violently declaring a republic after his earlier suggestion for a peaceful way to it was rejected and mocked as a tribalist for making such a demand. He could not have declared such a republic when he knew that, compared with WaZoBia tribes, his tribe had no officers in the army to prosecute any war that could have resulted. If Enahoro had tried it, Edos would have been the victims of the genocide that later befell Igbos, and you know what that means. Posterity vindicated Enahoro.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Igboid:
@Deadlytruth.
You are all over the place, our argument was about Zik forcefully keeping the Yoruba and Edoids in one Nigeria, but now you have gone and drawn the Ijaws into the argument and even Ojukwu.

Now, on Eritrea, Eritrea didn't leave Ethiopia peacefully, it was in battle front and they won.

Ethiopia independence was not negotiated, they won it in war front against the Italians, it is not same with Nigeria.


Enahoro is not a wise man, on the contrary he is foolish that cut his nose to spite his face If he wanted secession, he would have gone for it, there is no telling whether Zik would have allowed himself be used as a puppet and Ndiigbo as footsoldiers to hold back Edoids, Zik was not a military man, and he is not ruthless in power hunt like Awo.
Enahoro for the fear of uncertainty chickened out of his said plan for secession, but what happened when the Biafran secession offered him and his fellow Edoids the chance to secede, did Enahoro take the chance? No. Enahoro and Akenzua served as a British stooge in keeping not just his people, but Easterners in Nigeria, so how can we even be sure that Enahoro genuinely wanted secession If he changes his stance at the drop of the hat. Or was his support for "One Nigeria" in 1966 a childish way of paying the East back even if it meant that his own people become trapped in the colonial contraption? If so, then he was even more stupid than I earlier thought, little wonder he died as a Man full of regrets. Used and dumped by the British and their Northern/ Yoruba foot soldiers is the best way to describe Enahoro condition Post civil war.

Igbos only became massacred because insincere men like Enahoro became British footsoldiers. But there is no knowing if Ndiigbo would have become footsoldiers for the British against Edoids and Yoruboids if they seceded pre independence, and hence, Ndiigbo and Zik can't be blamed for sins they never committed, but Enahoro and Awo can be blamed for sins they committed.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Deadlytruth(m): 1:30pm On Jun 22, 2016
Igboid:
@Deadlytruth.
You are all over the place, our argument was about Zik forcefully keeping the Yoruba and Edoids in one Nigeria, but now you have gone and drawn the Ijaws into the argument and even Ojukwu.

Now, on Eritrea, Eritrea didn't leave Ethiopia peacefully, it was in battle front and they won.

Ethiopia independence was not negotiated, they won it in war front against the Italians, it is not same with Nigeria.


Enahoro is not a wise man, on the contrary he is foolish that cut his nose to spite his face If he wanted secession, he would have gone for it, there is no telling whether Zik would have allowed himself be used as a puppet and Ndiigbo as footsoldiers to hold back Edoids, Zik was not a military man, and he is not ruthless in power hunt like Awo.
Enahoro for the fear of uncertainty chickened out of his said plan for secession, but what happened when the Biafran secession offered him and his fellow Edoids the chance to secede, did Enahoro take the chance? No. Enahoro and Akenzua served as a British stooge in keeping not just his people, but Easterners in Nigeria, so how can we even be sure that Enahoro genuinely wanted secession If he changes his stance at the drop of the hat. Or was his support for "One Nigeria" in 1966 a childish way of paying the East back even if it meant that his own people become trapped in the colonial contraption? If so, then he was even more stupid than I earlier thought, little wonder he died as a Man full of regrets. Used and dumped by the British and their Northern/ Yoruba foot soldiers is the best way to describe Enahoro condition Post civil war.

Igbos only became massacred because insincere men like Enahoro became British footsoldiers. But there is no knowing if Ndiigbo would have become footsoldiers for the British against Edoids and Yoruboids if they seceded pre independence, and hence, Ndiigbo and Zik can't be blamed for sins they never committed, but Enahoro and Awo can be blamed for sins they committed.
But Eritrea was not held back by Britain, and that punctures you claim that Britain was wholly responsible for Zik's gaffes.
There is now way ojukwu and Ijaws can be separated from the issue of secession in Nigeria. I thought you were going to prove to me that Ojukwu was aided by Britain to crush Isaac Boro's NDR. But seeing that it punctured your arguement of British influence you decide to call it a diversion. Of course Zik was responsible for forcefully keeping Nigeria together with British support whose only condition was that one region rejected it.
You can insult Enahoro as you like, but that does not change the fact that he protected his people. If protecting his people was foolishness then no wonder Zik remains wise in your eyes despite the fact that he never at any time publicly expressed displeasure with the massacre of his own brothers even before the war....i.e. in 1945 and 1953 in Jos and Kanu respectively but was so fully consumed with his desperation to rule Nigeria and become Zik of Africa. A man who, despite his status and influence, was ready to keep sealed lips over his own people's massacre just in order to avoid jeopardising his chances of becoming venerated with a meaningless title is the most foolish man Nigeria ever had.
Your claim that Enahoro and Akenzua allowed themselves to British footsoldiers is flawed for the following reasons:
1. Whose foot soldier was Zik when he crossed over from the Biafra side to the Nigeria side?
2. Whose foot soldier was Isaac Boro for taking vengeance on Ojukwu?
3. Whose foot soldier was Ojukwu when he prevented the actualization of Boro's NDR? Your claim that Enahoro was not sincere about secession since Igbos later offered him and he rejected it is a product of shallow thought. Why would Enahoro accept a poisoned chalice from a people who were offering him a gift based on afterthought? Why would Enahoro accept an offer for "secession" from a people who without any prior consultation or negotiation just invaded his region, burst into the government house and gave the sitting governor a fatal chase? Was that how to really and truthfully offer secession to a person or just an attempt to annex his region to theirs? Of course it was better for Edos to remain trapped in the Nigeria contraption than to be "free" as an annex of Biafra. If it was truly an offer of secession why did Ojukwu impose Okonkwo, an Igbo man, on a people he came to really liberate? Were there no Edos he could use? That was clearly an expansionist drive and not an offer for secession at all. If without British involvement Biafra soldiers took over Edo territory illegally and without prior consultation then why do you still claim that there is no knowing if Ndigbo would have become foot soldiers against Edos and Edoids? The reverse is even more the case as Edos never invaded igboland even in the face of Igbo military aggression.
Enahoro was not necessarily after paying Ndigbo back, but of priority to him was the innocent lives of his people. Igbos caused the whole problem by staging a bloody and loopsided coup which itself was treasonable, and they had to suffer the consequences. There was no Edo man in the plot. So why would Enahoro place the life of Edos on the line just to look like a 'bold' and 'brave' man and a non-Britain's foot soldier in the eyes of Igbos but looking extremely stupid in the eyes of Edos his own brothers? It does not make sense at all. Only Zik loved outsider more than his own people in pursuit of nationalist accolades.
Was Enahoro an army officer with military training to have declared secession like Ojukwu did? How many Edos were in the Nigerian army for Enahoro to rally for war like how Igbos had hundreds in the army then and whom Ojukwu banked on to declare secession? Enahoro was a civilian and the only means civilians realize their ambitions is through sponsoring motions or bills for constitutional provisions and ammendments and not violence. Enahoro also followed the constitutional procedure in moving the motion for independence as he could not have, as a pure civilian, declared it by himself. A civilian's ways are poles apart from a soldiers approach to issues.
We voted Enahoro into position to do our will and protect our best interests, and he did exactly that for us. Enahoro died a fulfilled man. How was he used and dumped? Zik and Igbos were used against the South by the North through the NPC-NCNC unholy alliance, dumped by the North and then killed by the North with British support which Zik tapped into to perpetuate "One-Nigeria".
The one Nigeria Ojukwu fought to preserve by crushing Isaac Boro's NDR later came and massacred millions of his own brothers before his very eyes. So who is more used and dumped between Enahoro on one side and Ojukwu and Zik on the other side?
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Igboid:
1. Ethiopia was not a British colonial entity, she was never colonized, so I don't really understand the point you plan to highlight with Ethiopia and Eritrea example. This is a case of Apple and oranges.

2. The Ijaws issue was not part of the scope of this discussion, the scope of the discussion is Zik preventing Secession clause that Yoruboids and Edos claimed to have wanted, but since you dragged the Ijaws into this issue, maybe it's time I clear you on that.

You can't bring up Ijaw into the discussion, because as we speak, Ijaws are seeking for independence under the aegis of NDA, It wasn't Yorubas or Edoids that Ojukwu prevented from secession, it was the Ijaws, so a Yoruba or Edoid talking about Ojukwu preventing Ijaws from secession sounds redundant.


The Ijaw goal of secession has not changed,unlike the Yoruboids and Edoids, the Ijaws are not saying that since Ojukwu forced them into Nigeria, that they must remain caged in Nigeria just to keep Ndiigbo in Nigeria, instead they remain resolute in their desire for secession irrespective of whether Ndiigbo plans on leaving Nigeria or not. They are not standing on the Igbo route to secession as they are too busy planning their own secession. They are not one Nigeria apologists like Yorubas and Edoids.

But you Edoids and Yoruboids have a different mentality, your mentality is like this: " Since Zik refused to vote for secession clause, we must make sure we trap ourselves and Igbos in one Nigeria".

The Edoids and Yoruboids are one Nigeria apologists, the Ijaws are not. Which leads me to question the sincerity of the Edoids and Yorubas demand for secession clause.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Igboid:
3. There is a reason why Zik is not celebrated amongst the Igbos instead Ojukwu was. Zik was a one Nigeria apologist and always puting the interest of one Nigeria ahead of those of Ndiigbo.

3. Ojukwu must have stupidly believed in one Nigeria as a young soldier, but once he saw one Nigeria for what it was, after she claimed the lives of thousands of Igbos Ojukwu sent back to the North after the first massacre,he became pro secession. Enahoro was pro secession one minute, the next minute he was one Nigerian apologist, go figure.

4. Biafran soldiers only passed through the Midwest because that was the only route to Lagos, the Nigerian military headquarters, and by the way, Okonkwo was a Midwestern, are you by any means suggesting that only Edos were entitled to being appointed the leaders in Midwest, I remember that before the coup, the premier of Midwest was an Igbo too.

5. Is Edo not an annex of the Hausa-Fulani dominated Nigeria today? Even though I know that there was never a way the East would have annexed Edoland, empire building is not the Igbo man trait,the Biafra annexing Edo ish is a product of the Edos ignorance induced hallucinations, seeing that all the dead Bini empire knew how to do in the past was to annex surrounding clans unto itself, she naturally expect her own worst behavior of others. Newsflash: Bia***ns fought a war of survival and not annexation, at no point was mid west part of Bia***** during the war.

6. You are yet to prove how Zik prevented the Yorubas from secession, so this your statement of Zik being used against the South is at best funny and ignorance Laden.
Ojukwu prevented the Ijaw secession, ( not South seccession or whatever you meant by that),I concede that, but you are not Ijaw and so in no position to complain about Ojukwu preventing the Ijaw exit, neither are the Ijaws now singing one Nigeria because Ojukwu prevented their first attempt at secession, they are instead hardcore secessionists, as of today represented by NDA.

Zik remain a prominent Nigerian, Abuja airport is named after him, many roads in Abuja and Lagos are named after him, he has his picture in 500 naira note, he is known as one the founding fathers of Nigeria, even GEJ adopted his name, who knows Enahoro? cheesy
The old fool died a nobody, the one Nigeria he sacrificed millions for didn't even know the day he died, but the supposedly rebel, Ojukwu got a national burial from the same Nigeria he fought against.
While Enahoro and his Edo people faded into the shadows of the Nigerian political sphere, Ndiigbo continues to shine bright even in the one Nigeria Enahoro fought for. What exactly did Enahoro achieve for himself or for his people after the war? grin
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Nobody: 6:52pm On Jun 22, 2016
Igboid:
3. There is a reason why Zik is not celebrated amongst the Igbos instead Ojukwu was. Zik was a one Nigerian apologist and was always puting the interest of one Nigeria ahead of those of Ndiigbo.

3. Ojukwu must have stupidity believed in one Nigeria as a young soldier, but once he saw one Nigeria for what it was, he became pro secession. Enahoro was pro secession one minute, the next minute he was one Nigerian apologist, go figure.

4. Biafran soldiers only passed through the Midwest because that was the only route to Lagos, the Nigerian military headquarters, and by the way, Okonkwor was a Midwestern, are you by any means suggesting that only Edos were entitled to being appointed the leaders in Midwest, I remember that before the coup, the premierof Midwest was an Igbo too.

5. Is Edo not an annex of the Hausa-Fulani dominated Nigeria today? Even though I know that there was never a way the East would have annexed Edoland, empire building is not the Igbo man trait,the Biafra annexing Edo ish is a product of the Edos ignorance induced hallucinations, seeing that all the dead Bini empire knew how to do in the past was to annex surrounding clans unto itself, she naturally expect her own worst behavior of others. Newsflash: Bia***ns fought a war of survival and not annexation, at no point was mid west part of Bia***** during the war.

6. You are yet to prove how Zik prevented the Yorubas from secession, so this your statement of Zik being used against the South is at best funny and ignorance Laden.
Ojukwu prevented the Ijaw secession, I concede that, but you are not Ijaw and so in no position to complain about Ojukwu preventing the Ijaw exit, neither are the Ijaws now singing one Nigeria because Ojukwu prevented their first attempt at secession, they are one instead hardcore secessionists, as today represented by NDA.

Zik remain a prominent Nigeria, Abuja airport is named after him, many roads in Abuja and Lagos are named after him, he has his picture in 500 naira note, he is known as one the founding fathers of Nigeria, even Goodluck adopted his name, who knows Enahoro? cheesy
The old fool died a nobody, the one Nigeria he sacrificed millions for didn't even know the day he died, but the supposedly rebel, Ojukwu got a national burial from the same Nigeria he fought against.
Why Enahoro and his Edo people faded into the shadows of the Nigerian political sphere, Ndiigbo continues to shine bright even in the one Nigeria Enahoro fought for. What exactly did Enahoro achieve for himself or for his after the war? grin
you made valid point, but veered on the process when you start attacking the person of Pa Enahoro and Edo people. I dont't think that is necessary. Anyway kudos to you for reseting that dude. cheesy
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Igboid: 7:08pm On Jun 22, 2016
Again,this issue of secession clause is only a lame excuse the Yorubas and Edoids hide under to promote their one Nigeria affinity .

There was no guarantee that if the secession clause was supported by Zik, that it would have been allowed to be used by Bia***ans or any other secessionist to achieve their aim.

Until the July counter coup and the following Igbo massacre, Igbos were not pro secession, so we would have never needed the secession clause until Gowon took over, and I have no doubt that if the secession clause existed then, it would have been annulled by Gowon and the North with New decrees propounded and we would have still had to fight to get our. Bia*** nation.

So this whole business of if Zik allowed secession clause that it would have been easier for Bia*** secession in 1966 or even now is stupid and redundant.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Igboid:
blues20:
you made valid point, but veered on the process when you start attacking the person of Pa Enahoro and Edo people. I dont't think that is necessary. Anyway kudos to you for reseting that dude. cheesy
Enahoro represented everything wrong with Africa. A ruthless man that promoted the use of starvation as a tool of war against a people he pretended to want to share a nation with, gets no respect from me, neither do those who support him and his actions.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by 99xtr69r:
Igboid:
Again,this issue of secession clause is only a lame excuse the Yorubas and Edoids hide under to promote their one Nigeria affinity

There was no guarantee that if the secession clause was supported by Zik, that it would have been allowed to be used by Bia***ans or any other secessionist to achieve their aim.

Until the July counter coup and the following Igbo massacre, Igbos were not pro secession, so we would have never needed the secession clause until Gowon took over, and I have no doubt that if the secession clause existed then, it would have been annulled by Gowon and the North with New decrees propounded and we would have still had to fight to get our. Bia*** nation.

So this whole business of if Zik allowed secession clause that it would have been easier for Bia*** secession in 1966 or even now is stupid and redundant.
Are you minding that confused fellow who cannot point out the contributions of his Uneme-Nekhua people to this country? Till date he hasn't been able to list the Uneme-Nekhua elites that mattered during pre-independence/independence era.

For many months now he has been ranting up and down against the Igbo Nation for being responsible for the woes of his people in Nigeria even when it's plain that Igbos have been far from political power for some 50 years now.
He keeps using the little knowledge he has in the most negative manner to dare challenge Igbos instead of facing the marauders hunting his people for sports for decades now unabated.

By now you should understand that something else is biting him seriously - his eternal fate as Igbos forge ahead to have a separate existence from him and his people. He feels that by making a repeated broadcast of his end-time campaign of calumny he can blackmail the Igbo Nation to continue with him in this cesspit.
Re: Ikwerre - Igbo - 22 MISINFORMATION ON IGBOS by Deadlytruth(m):
Igboid:
1. Ethiopia was not a British colonial entity, she was never colonized, so I don't really understand the point you plan to highlight with Ethiopia and Eritrea example. This is a case of Apple and oranges.

2. The Ijaws issue was not part of the scope of this discussion, the scope of the discussion is Zik preventing Secession clause that Yoruboids and Edos claimed to have wanted, but since you dragged the Ijaws into this issue, maybe it's time I clear you on that.

You can't bring up Ijaw into the discussion, because as we speak, Ijaws are seeking for independence under the aegis of NDA, It wasn't Yorubas or Edoids that Ojukwu prevented from secession, it was the Ijaws, so a Yoruba or Edoid talking about Ojukwu preventing Ijaws from secession sounds redundant.


The Ijaw goal of secession has not changed,unlike the Yoruboids and Edoids, the Ijaws are not saying that since Ojukwu forced them into Nigeria, that they must remain caged in Nigeria just to keep Ndiigbo in Nigeria, instead they remain resolute in their desire for secession irrespective of whether Ndiigbo plans on leaving Nigeria or not. They are not standing on the Igbo route to secession as they are too busy planning their own secession. They are not one Nigeria apologists like Yorubas and Edoids.

But you Edoids and Yoruboids have a different mentality, your mentality is like this: " Since Zik refused to vote for secession clause, we must make sure we trap ourselves and Igbos in one Nigeria".

The Edoids and Yoruboids are one Nigeria apologists, the Ijaws are not. Which leads me to question the sincerity of the Edoids and Yorubas demand for secession clause.
The point with my mention of Ethiopia is to disprove your over exaggeration of the powers of foreign armies to impose themselves on Africans in any form against the wish of Africans themselves. If they did not succeed in imposing their will on Ethiopia due to Ethiopia's unanimous rejection of their will despite Ethiopia's inferior military might to theirs, then they would not have been able to successfully impose "One-Nigeria" on Nigerians had Zik and Igbos all joined other parts of Nigeria to make the rejection of "One-Nigeria" unanimous. When all tribes in Nigeria finally and unanimously agreed to independence Britain could not but succumb. So it would have as well been had Zik and Igbos joined others to allow secession clause.

The Ijaws were brought in by me as an example to puncture your claim that the presence of Britain scared Zik and other Igbos into working against secession at the initial stages. I then had to cite the case of Ojukwu preventing Ijaw secession even after Britain had long left to prove that Igbos hatred for secession at the initial stage had nothing to do with the presence/absence or approval/disapproval of Britain but had all to do with the fact that they were in power together with Hausa-Fulanis and benefiting mostly from "One-Nigeria" and therefore did not want the status quo tampered with. When they lost power at the centre they forgot that British "disapproval and might" was still hovering around thus began to ask for secession.

Edoids' position on secession has always been the same, and it has not changed till today. It is that it should never be by bloodshed or genocide. That is why they have consistently refused to use violence to seek it the way Ijaws and Igbos did in 1966 and 1967 respectively.
In pre-amalgamation times no tribe in Africa dared Edoids. But in an amalgamated Nigeria Edoids had become averse to violence and conquest, and had become used to modern and civilised ways of life and thus never used or believed in violence again and consistently do not still believe in it till today owing much to the fact that compared with both Igbos and Ijaws they were disproportionately too few in army before and after independence and even up till now 2016. So how could a people who knew they didn't have the military back up take an option which required full scale violence? It does not make sense. And that was why they quickly ahead of time demanded that it be put in the constitution as they knew they had no military men to later help them fight a bloody fight for secession in case Nigeria later got misgoverned. Igbos initially rejected secession, not because they were not aware that Nigeria was a fraud, but because they were benefiting most from the "One-Nigeria" fraud and also knew they had the wherewithal (huge membership of the army) to later help them fight to break Nigeria up violently in case anything later unexpectedly happened to remove them from power and cut short their enjoyment of "One-Nigeria" fraud. And so it really happened.
If it is sensible to use violence when you don't have the military back up, then why are Nmamdi Kanu and Uwazurike now using purely civil means now that the number of Igbos have been badly reduced in the Nigerian army to the same number as Edoids in it? It is natural. And that is why Edoids have been, in their usual belief in civil and constitutional ways, asking for a sovereign national conference which will either re-make or peacefully break Nigeria so that everyone goes solo without genocide. Edoids, unlike, Igbos can't afford to lose 3 million lives trying to correct the blunder Igbos made. That will be too expensive to bear.

Let me remind you that a far larger percentage of Ijaws are, just like, Edoids not seeking violent secession at all but true federalism which we initially had but later botched by Igbos. MEND, Dokubo, Boylaf, Ateke Tom, Tompolo, Henry Okha, etc have never asked for secession despite their violence. And mind you that in 1966 Ijaws sought secession not from Nigeria per say but from the Eastern Region due to Igbo oppression. NDA on the other hand is yet an experiment which looks more politically motivated by GEJ's loss than anything else. Even GEJ himself never believes in secession. So your claim that Ijaws are asking for secession is highly flawed. Even igboids of the SS like Wike, Okowa, etc have openly dissociated themselves from violent seccession, and that does not make them appologists of "One-Nigeria". They are just being sensible and realistic. Edoids and Yorubas are not necessarily trying to hold Igbos back in Nigeria as a punitive measure for their prevention of the upholding of the secession clause. No! They are only not interested in using violence to seek secession from "One-Nigeria". Igbos obviously want blood, but all other tribes don't. Not even all Igbos are into this call for bloody secession. Some sensible ones are, like Edoids and Yorubas, asking for a restructured constitution that will allow peaceful secession. Does that make such Igbos "One-Nigeria" appologists?
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