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Juokorow:
In that case, the manufacturers/marketers need to revise their lingo/script, away from the impression that their products do contain "asbestos", similar to how they list the fire, water and pest resistance. People like me shied away from considering such ceilings because of existing misrepresentation/ description.

I look forward to the results of your ongoing inquiries!

babalose:
@gbadexy.....if appliers of stucco paint includes cost of screeding in the paint job, isn't it better not to do screeding when one intends to use stucco paint?



Babalose

EgunMogaji:
I have at least three friends that have DIY built there houses both in California and Texas.

I wouldn't call the 3,500 square feet house that I built in Texas a shed/garage, but that's just me.

Here you can build your house. I know you can too in the UK.

EgunMogaji:
I don't think asbestos is in the product anymore (the factory is ISO 9001) I think it's just a situation of our
local artisans calling the material asbestos.
In any case I have emailed the factory. But then this is Nigeria, could they lie?

wanaj0:
I think the term DIY is subject to different interpretations.

There are activities that by regulation must be done by licensed/competent personnel. You will not have a building approval IF your drawings are not STAMPED/SEALED by licensed/competent personnel.

Except you are a licensed electrical personnel. the building will not be declared fit for habitation. I doubt you will be allowed to DIY your structural drawings for example.

Most people just see structural drawings without knowing that there are calculations that goes with it. For all those getting charged for structural drawings, please always ask for the calculations.

NB: I am NOT a structural engineer oo.

wanaj0:
I think the term DIY is subject to different interpretations.

Absolutely and especially different in Nigeria and the USA.

There are activities that by regulation must be done by licensed/competent personnel. You will not have a building approval IF your drawings are not STAMPED/SEALED by licensed/competent personnel.

Not true in the USA for your own building (I posted an official evidence from the state government of California earlier). I'm surprised that even for a bungalow in Nigeria they would require such a license. In the USA we have building plans that are sold online. That one can do something and to do it are two separate things. Here in the USA we have extreme access to self-help from even the city and local governments. In every county (local government equivalent in Nigeria) that I've lived in, the city code inspectors and building approval department have bent backwards to encourage growth.

Except you are a licensed electrical personnel. the building will not be declared fit for habitation. I doubt you will be allowed to DIY your structural drawings for example.

Stop stroking yourself with the licensed bit I have and many others (look on YouTube for evidences). My house was not only inhabited but qualified for FHA loan for the seller when I later sold it. You're limiting yourself with this thought process. You can do it, stop making excuses.

Most people just see structural drawings without knowing that there are calculations that goes with it. For all those getting charged for structural drawings, please always ask for the calculations.

The best solution is for DIYers to NOT build structures that requires structural calculations. If you insist on building one then there's nothing stopping anyone in getting 2nd and 3rd opinions from other structural engineers.

NB: I am NOT a structural engineer oo.

mufutau55:
To add more... (story)
I bought a land at Govt. GRA in Ado-Ekiti (Ekiti State) that part of area/land requires that certain house with cost associated can be build there.. so I will need to even attach a QS estimate duly stamped by the Qualified QS to specify the amount before the plan can be approved.

@EgunMogaji - Please read the above... (not justifying QS work o, just info I had gone thru)

Hajji M.

EgunMogaji:
Thanks for helping prove my point Sir

Not every one needs a QS, some will, like in your case or if they are seeking finance as I stated before.

My grouse is not with QS (I keep saying this) but with the arrogance of Olumide4Christ as in regards to putting DIYers like me down who have decided that we DO NOT need a QS on our project.

There's another artisan on here that is promoting borehole as an absolute necessity before a project commence. I find that equally ridiculous.

Thank you Sir.

EgunMogaji:
I'll report back and may even follow up with a phone call tomorrow as I'm at the stage of potentially using their product on one of my builds.

Curiously though, what part of their marketing makes you feel an implied content of asbestos in their product?

EgunMogaji:
Further to our ongoing discussion on removable burglary bar.

This is what I've been working on for my house.

My prerequisite are as follows in order of importance (to me):

1) Can be opened by at least a toddler.
2) Can be removed entirely leaving no trace of its existence from outside when needed.
3) Will complement a contemporary look that I'm going for and less like Kirikiri.

The parts shaded in brown will be embedded into the wall and won't be visible. On the left will be removable hinge and on the right will be the lock mechanism.

The middle red area is the decorative gate time and can have any design of my chosen and is the totally removable part via removable hinges (on the left) and the lock (on the right).

FreeWorld23:
*coughs* once again I want to thank those that took their time to vote for my candidate. Starting from our well respected Oga @ the top mufutau55 brag3 kolashangone write2obi happykay back2sender n3xt gbadexy civory adeekiti and madam beedam. Those that voted that i aint familiar with monikers here, I thank you too. Your votes gave us our victory and I honestly do appreciate.

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For those that didn't vote for one reason or the other best known to them despite viewing this thread regularly, well, we made it without u and the question is can this people help in reality if its not about contest? Cos just to type a word that wont take u less than a mins hard for some ppl. (Only God know what they have in mind against u )

For those that had the intention to vote but couldn't make it, I know u people And I thank u too as well.

We are yet to receive alert from our Oga $eun and other sponsorers so those I promised should cool down o

BTW is 75k not worth hustling for ? that na 5month salary of some civil servants in naija.


Thanks so much and God bless u.

FreeWorld23:
Back To our main topic.

My certificateless boss just won another contract and we have been busy dining and wining in his lodge after breaking today's fast.


So I will be updating this house with pictures and information when we fully start the construction cos some of their own way of building is different from ours.

The building is a 150 unit of 2/3 bedroom flat with an underground parking.
Duration is 5-6years.

Picture below is an example
Tho maintainance is still going on and we are yet to know the date we are starting but the contract has been signed.

FreeWorld23:
*coughs* once again I want to thank those that took their time to vote for my candidate. Starting from our well respected Oga @ the top mufutau55 brag3 kolashangone write2obi happykay back2sender n3xt gbadexy civory adeekiti and madam beedam. Those that voted that i aint familiar with monikers here, I thank you too. Your votes gave us our victory and I honestly do appreciate.

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Juokorow:
With due respect of your personal right to choose, why would you be "resolute on using it", before discerning "the material composition of "asbestos" ceiling" used in Nigeria? Asbestos is is hazardous, period; it has been banned even for auto break pad/lining in many western countries. I truly hope that your resolve to use it is informed by confirmation that the ceiling material in question is asbestos, in name only! In other words, please confirm before you resolve.

Best wishes on your decision and outcomes.

EgunMogaji:
I didn't vote because I find the whole concept annoying. It is not why I came to the property section.

I'm just glad that the nonsense will soon go away until next year.

PS: I have nothing against side noise and usually ignore it but not when it's shoved in my face.

@S eun, please for the love of all things mighty and holy, install an "ignoreuser" filter once and for all.

beedam:
The 75k will really go a long way in blocking some of her needs.
Congratulations to her once again.

Where is your original Moniker

EgunMogaji:
Is the basement an underground garage?

If so this is what should be done in Lekki/Ajjah, IMHO.

FreeWorld23:
baba, those that voted didn't came to nairaland for the "nonsense" concept too. Only sad and depressed people don't catch fun. Infact, i have big men from business section who are too busy chasing forex who honored my call and voted her.

Yoruba'z will say " ti a ba tori isu je epo a tori epo je isu". The "nonsense" won us some cash and no effort wasted.

On your "ignoreuser", email seun privately, he reads all email from nlders.

FreeWorld23:
yes it is.

You mean this building can be done in lekki/Ajah abi the underground garage? Make it clear cos this building can't stand in a water logged area like lekki/Ajah.

ANBAKO:
Thanks for your concern. This is why I was asking if anyone know the composition of Kalsiceil. I am still in the quest to know the constituents and all related info is welcomed.

Thanks once agin for your concern.

Do good to for good to come your way!!!

EgunMogaji:
Anything can stand in a waterlogged area when properly designed. There are bridges with piers sunk in open oceans.

The idea is instead of the ground floor apartments turning into a swimming pool, why not yield that floor to the ocean surge/flood from the onset.

This is just a layman's opinion on what I've seen.

Memejem:
You're right that almost anything can be built to stand the test of time in a waterlogged area when properly designed.

BUT the multistory building he proposed seems like a capital intensive project. Why would an investor in Nigeria choose to build in a water infested area when he can build the same property in an area relatively easier to build in?? Just speaking from a business perspective.

And even if they chose to build that building in lekki area and had unlimited funds, the main issue I foresee is "maintainence". Even if you spend a lot of money securing the land, building great drainage and adequate foundation, if your nearby neighbours do none of these things your property is still at risk of being flooded. Especially if the government has not created/maintaining adequate drainage for the surrounding environment.

Since we know how things are on ground in nigeria, if I were to be an investor. I would also choose to build such a large scale building in an area that would not bring me "stories that touch" if I can avoid it. Save the money I would use in tackling water/flood issues and utilize it elsewhere on my build.

EgunMogaji:
Anything can stand in a waterlogged area when properly designed. There are bridges with piers sunk in open oceans.

The idea is instead of the ground floor apartments turning into a swimming pool, why not yield that floor to the ocean surge/flood from the onset.

This is just a layman's opinion on what I've seen.

Memejem:
You're right that almost anything can be built to stand the test of time in a waterlogged area when properly designed.

BUT the multistory building he proposed seems like a capital intensive project. Why would an investor in Nigeria choose to build in a water infested area when he can build the same property in an area relatively easier to build in?? Just speaking from a business perspective.
And even if they chose to build that building in lekki area and had unlimited funds, the main issue I foresee is "maintainence". Even if you spend a lot of money securing the land, building great drainage and adequate foundation, if your nearby neighbours do none of these things your property is still at risk of being flooded. Especially if the government has not created/maintaining adequate drainage for the surrounding environment.
Since we know how things are on ground in nigeria, if I were to be an investor. I would also choose to build such a large scale building in an area that would not bring me "stories that touch" if I can avoid it. Save the money I would use in tackling water/flood issues and utilize it elsewhere on my build.

FreeWorld23:
The bolded have replied egun baba.

Who will like to risk his billions? That project is a multi billion project.

EgunMogaji:
Is the basement an underground garage?

If so this is what should be done in Lekki/Ajjah, IMHO.

EgunMogaji:
Thank you for the compliment on me being a "sad and depressed person", it means so much to me that you have finally figured me out so we can be clear as we go forward

Thanks for the suggestion but I have no desire to email anyone privately, I know that Seun reads comments on here too as he has responded to something I posted on the missing InspiredAutos thread.

Ati epo, ati isu, aje gbemi lo je fun kolokolo

EgunMogaji:
I meant only the basement/ground floor part.

55Degrees:
Buildings like this already exists in the LeKki area.

It is just 7 floors.

Although I am not a structural engineer, this type of buildings is what brings out the work of structural engineers.

Definitely, pile foundation will be used and the depth can be as 20 meters

FreeWorld23:
okay..... I think structural engineers will know how to deal with that and come with a better plan. My idea is making the first floor the car park cos of flooding. But in a country like Nigeria where we have enough land, we don't need the underground parking.