*In Ibime's Husky Voice*..

I'm similar to that to that thriller from argentina, maradona//
El messi, tax dodger, over paid prima donna//
I paid all my taxes, nobody can ignore it//
You paid the *penalty, pity you couldnt score it//
Broken records everywhere its a little messy//
Guess who is going to jail....little Messi//
Bale goin home, he may need a taxi//
Messi's in a mess, he didnt pay his taxes//

#Copied#

Nihilist:


But I thought you were quoting sun sources as gospel regarding emenalo the other day

C'mon brah, the transfer peccadilloes of Emenalo wasn't carried around by just SUN. I provided you with many news sites that did too many stories about our incompetent TD.

That is quite different to this very Messi report, it seems only SUN were eavesdropping when Roman met Messi's father.

Dadehmola:
*In Ibime's Husky Voice*..

I'm similar to that to that thriller from argentina, maradona//
El messi, tax dodger, over paid prima donna//
I paid all my taxes, nobody can ignore it//
You paid the *penalty, pity you couldnt score it//
Broken records everywhere its a little messy//

#Copied#

The writer should have just stopped there imo. The bolded line is already a double entendre. Spelling it out just cheapened the verse

Griffon:


C'mon brah, the transfer peccadilloes of Emenalo wasn't carried around by just SUN. I provided you with many news sites that did too many stories about our incompetent TD.

That is quite different to this very Messi report, it seems only SUN were eavesdropping when Roman met Messi's father.

You're right. The stories must be true then...

Well said Ibime

One of my homeboys used to support Chelsea then maybe because of Gullit or Babayaro, Chelsea pre Roman and in the 90's had many superstars like Dennis Wise, Le Seaux, Desailly, Weah, TA Flo, Zola, Gus Poyet, Gullit etc. Vialli won the CL with Juventus and reported to Chelsea

For some reason Chelsea was the most attractive club to foreigners then even more than Manure who stockpiled mainly british players

So this myth that Chelsea were mid table or garbage pre Roman isnt true. They were the clear 3rd best team in England, By Roman first season Chelsea was already beating Lazio 0-4 in Rome and making the CL semi finals, finishig 2nd in the league to invincibles Arsenal

Ibime:

Lack of UCL qualification meant nothing then. You have to live in that period to know what was important. There wasn't much money involved in UCL till 2003.

This! Money can't buy this. . When we didn't care about the UCL but never forgot every moment of trashing United 5-0.

Nihilist:


You're right. The stories must be true then...

With deduction you can provide absolute proof of your conclusions, given that your premises are correct. I actually fell in love with deductive reasoning during my first year in college.

Now phuck off my screen, I'm having a bad day

Ibime:

Lack of UCL qualification meant nothing then. You have to live in that period to know what was important. There wasn't much money involved in UCL till 2003. It did not matter whether you qualified or not. It was winning trophies that mattered, not UCL qualification. That's why I say that period is more successful than Arsenals last 7 years.

Those days only 1 or 2 teams made the CL so you have instances where Barcelona, Bayern Madrid AC Milan etc didnt even make the CL and are playing UEFA or Cup Winners cup and stars were more evenly distributed You have the Parma Lazio, Fiorentina Schalke Stuttgart Atletico with household names in their squad

nateevs:


This! Money can't buy this. . When we didn't care about the UCL but never forgot every moment of trashing United 5-0.

Ladies and Gentlemen, shall we indulge in reminiscence?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK_ysW2uPUY

raumdeuter:
Well said Ibime

One of my homeboys used to support Chelsea then maybe because of Gullit or Babayaro, Chelsea pre Roman and in the 90's had many superstars like Dennis Wise, Le Seaux, Desailly, Weah, TA Flo, Zola, Gus Poyet, Gullit etc. Vialli won the CL with Juventus and reported to Chelsea

For some reason Chelsea was the most attractive club to foreigners then even more than Manure who stockpiled mainly british players

So this myth that Chelsea were mid table or garbage pre Roman isnt true. They were the clear 3rd best team in England, By Roman first season Chelsea was already beating Lazio 0-4 in Rome and making the CL semi finals, finishig 2nd in the league to invincibles Arsenal

Good stuffs coming from you Dayo, is it really snowing in hell?

raumdeuter:
Well said Ibime

One of my homeboys used to support Chelsea then maybe because of Gullit or Babayaro, Chelsea pre Roman and in the 90's had many superstars like Dennis Wise, Le Seaux, Desailly, Weah, TA Flo, Zola, Gus Poyet, Gullit etc. Vialli won the CL with Juventus and reported to Chelsea

For some reason Chelsea was the most attractive club to foreigners then even more than Manure who stockpiled mainly british players

So this myth that Chelsea were mid table or garbage pre Roman isnt true. They were the clear 3rd best team in England, By Roman first season Chelsea was already beating Lazio 0-4 in Rome and making the CL semi finals, finishig 2nd in the league to invincibles Arsenal

Nobody said Chelsea was garbage, but we were definitely not the 3rd best team in England. At least not based on league positions. We were competing in a pack with Leeds, Newcastle, and Liverpool for the 'best of the rest title'.

Then Roman came and lifted us out of the Rat Race. In Roman's first year we finished 2nd...something we had not done in 49 years

By contrast in the 2 years directly preceding Roman, we finished in 6th place twice.

It doesnt even matter if we were the 3rd or 4th best team in the league, when it was really only Arsenal who had the ability to steal the trophy from Manyoo.

Claiming top 4 is irrelevant in an era that only reckoned with the top 2. It's like West Ham claiming alagbara today on top 6 basis.

The only thing you can say is that we were good in the cups....as Ibime said, like Sevilla. But dem born Sevilla to gbemu where Madrid and Barca dey?

Nihilist:

The only thing you can say is that we were good in the cups....as Ibime said, like Sevilla. But dem born Sevilla to gbemu where Madrid and Barca dey?

Like Dayo said, there was no Madrid or Barca then.

Only 1 team qualified for UCL per league. You will usually find Madrid or Barca in UEFA Cup or Cup Winners Cup with you.

See the way Barca celebrated when they won 1997 Cup Winners Cup lime say World done end

1 year later we won the same thing.

Believe me our name was big in Europe then.

It is even small clubs from small leagues like Nantes, Monaco and Ajax that you see competing in UCL semifinals.

Big boys always fought in UEFA CUP and CWC like Barca, Inter etc.

lordfalcao:
not yet

Not yet? What's he waiting for? Season starts pretty soon.

Ibime:


Like Dayo said, there was no Madrid or Barca then.

Only 1 team qualified for UCL per league. You will usually find Madrid or Barca in UEFA Cup or Cup Winners Cup with you.

See the way Barca celebrated when they won 1996 Cup Winners Cup lime say World done end

2 years later we won the same thing.

Believe me our name was big in Europe then.

It is even small clubs from small leagues like Nantes, Monaco and Ajax that you see competing in UCL semifinals.

Big boys always fought in UEFA CUP and CWC like Barca, Inter etc.

Our name was not bigger than Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle etc.

During that era, I was supporting a mid table club, and I most definitely remember the fearsome reputation that Manyoo and Arsenal had.

I'm sure you will agree that cup game is different. Sevilla has won 3 back to back Europa leagues but what is their reputation in the global game today. Without google, how many people can randomly name their first 11?

But trust that everybody knew who that United team and Arsenal team was.

To put it in it's real context, Nateevs made a valid point that we percieved as having purchased our success.

How come nobody thought it was the result of years of gradual improvement.

We cannot use cup success as a true barometer of our standing in the game. Anybody can win a UCL final, FA Cup final etc.

The real decider is the league title.

That's why I said Sevilla cannot stand where Barca today is standing. Same way we could not stand next to Manyoo those days...never!

Nihilist:


Our name was not bigger than Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle etc.

You must be joking.

We were the 3rd best and renowned club in the late 1990s.

Your experience of Leeds is limited to 2003.

You will not get top Italian internationals like Di Matteo, Vialli, Desailly or Casiraghi leaving the best clubs in the World to join Newcastle, Liverpool or Leeds.

Our name was shaking shít back then.

Nihilist:
Our name was not bigger than Leeds, Liverpool, Newcastle etc.

During that era, I was supporting a mid table club, and I most definitely remember the fearsome reputation that Manyoo and Arsenal had.

I'm sure you will agree that cup game is different. Sevilla has won 3 back to back Europa leagues but what is their reputation in the global game today. Without google, how many people can randomly name their first 11?

But trust that everybody knew who that United team and Arsenal team was.

To put it in it's real context, Nateevs made a valid point that we percieved as having purchased our success.

How come nobody thought it was the result of years of gradual improvement.

We cannot use cup success as a true barometer of our standing in the game. Anybody can win a UCL final, FA Cup final etc.

The real decider is the league title.

That's why I said Sevilla cannot stand where Barca today is standing. Same way we could not stand next to Manyoo those days...never!

Pre Roman in the continent, Chelsea was a more respected name than anyone not named Man utd, They had a fairly star studded side Zola, Desailly, Wise, Flo, Petrescu, Poyet, Vialli Gullit. Though some of them were old, they still had more name recognition and performed in European competition more than other ENglish sides not named Man utd


Europa has been degraded today thats why the winners have no respect, There are no big stars playing Europa. Currently, most people cant name anyone of note playing in the Europa

Assuming Europa of next season you have Man utd, Bayern, Barcelona and Juventus playing in Europa you would see the excitement it would gather

I remember Cup winners cup of 97 where Fioretina with Batistuta and Rui Costa was playing Barcelona with Ronaldo(Reigning WPOTY) Stiochkov(Former Balon dor) where in EUropa cup nowadays can you see that nowadays

Pre Roman I still remember Chelsea doing better in Europe than any other team not named Man utd. The won the winners cup vs Stuttgart and Chelsea had a pretty solid team then, the same team went to the CL quarters before losing to a Figo and Rivaldo Barcelona in extra time

Aside Man Utd no English team had the pedigree then in Europe, The cancelation of the CWC and increasing slots made the CL more powerful and eroded the UEFA cup

Marcel Desailly after winning 1998 World Cup at the age of 29 flew back to Milan packed his bags and told em he is going to Chelsea.

I don't see such calibre of player moving to Sevilla today.

You have to live in that period to know what Chelseas standing was. We were no small club.

Ibime:


You must be joking.

We were the 3rd best and renowned club in the late 1990s.

Your experience of Leeds is limited to 2003.

You will not get top Italian internationals like Di Matteo, Vialli, Desailly or Casiraghi leaving the best clubs in the World to join Newcastle, Liverpool or Leeds.

Our name was shaking shít back then.

I don't really agree with the whole top 3 statement, based on cup wins....but for sake of argument, let me even concede that point

Like I said top 3 is consequential, because the gap between number 2 and number 3 was a chasm that took us 49 years to cross.

The gap between 1st and 3rd best took us 54 whopping years to cross

54 years.

That's what we're talking about here. League wise, we were nothing special. Definitely not better than Leeds, Liverpool or Newcastle.

It's easier to do better in the cup than win the league. Afterall Everton had won the FA cup around that same period. Leeds was reaching the semifinals of the UCL. Newcastle was appearing in back to back FA cup finals in that era. And like I said before, we actually played Aston Villa and Middlesbrough in our FA cup final that year.

You likened us to Sevilla who cannot talk where Barca is today

You cannot tell me you don't remember when the EPL was a battle for second, cos we knew who would win.

Nihilist:

I don't really agree with the whole top 3 statement, based on cup wins....but for sake of argument, let me even concede that point
Like I said top 3 is consequential, because the gap between number 2 and number 3 was a chasm that took us 49 years to cross.
The gap between 1st and 3rd best took us 54 whopping years to cross
54 years.
That's what we're talking about here. League wise, we were nothing special. Definitely not better than Leeds, Liverpool or Newcastle.
It's easier to do better in the cup than win the league. Afterall Everton had won the FA cup around that same period. Leeds was reaching the semifinals of the UCL. Newcastle was appearing in back to back FA cup finals in that era. And like I said before, we actually played Aston Villa and Middlesbrough in our FA cup final that year.
You likened us to Sevilla who cannot talk where Barca is today
You cannot tell me you don't remember when the EPL was a battle for second, cos we knew who would win.

You can only talk retrospectively by looking at the books and drawing conclusions. I'm telling you how ninjas were feeling back then.

Then you had Juventus blocking Italian League and Manure blocking EPL.

It still didn't stop WPOTY Ronaldo leaving Barca to join Inter who hadn't won league since the days of Mussolini.

Batigol, Zanetti, Crespo. . . big big boys were playing in clubs not league winners.

People were not desperate for UCL then. Even league title does not exclude you from being a top club.

All we know is Chelsea were shaking Europe then.

When Madrid faced us in 1998 SuperCup and we beat them 1-0, you don't need Nastradamus to tell you that Chelsea is a big boy.

Newcastle, Leeds and Liverpool were not shaking anything.

raumdeuter:


Pre Roman in the continent, Chelsea was a more respected name than anyone not named Man utd, They had a fairly star studded side Zola, Desailly, Wise, Flo, Petrescu, Poyet, Vialli Gullit. Though some of them were old, they still had more name recognition and performed in European competition more than other ENglish sides not named Man utd


Europa has been degraded today thats why the winners have no respect, There are no big stars playing Europa. Currently, most people cant name anyone of note playing in the Europa

Assuming Europa of next season you have Man utd, Bayern, Barcelona and Juventus playing in Europa you would see the excitement it would gather

I remember Cup winners cup of 97 where Fioretina with Batistuta and Rui Costa was playing Barcelona with Ronaldo(Reigning WPOTY) Stiochkov(Former Balon dor) where in EUropa cup nowadays can you see that nowadays

Pre Roman I still remember Chelsea doing better in Europe than any other team not named Man utd. The won the winners cup vs Stuttgart and Chelsea had a pretty solid team then, the same team went to the CL quarters before losing to a Figo and Rivaldo Barcelona in extra time

Aside Man Utd no English team had the pedigree then in Europe, The cancelation of the CWC and increasing slots made the CL more powerful and eroded the UEFA cup

I don't really want to derail from the debate by arguing a lot of your points there. I seem to remember either yourself or Ibime denigrating Desailly a few years ago as a mercenary who came to collect pension money a few years ago...but that's irrelevant anyway.

Like I said, I will concede that Chelsea was the 3rd best team in England...but that's inconsequential anyway.

Your points there are largely irrelevant. Saying that Chelsea did better than any team not named Manyoo is as pointless as saying that Dortmund does better than any team not called Bayern.

What was the gap in reputation and success between United and Chelsea? Or you think it's beans to win a league 8 times in 11 seasons?

Roman and Jose came to topple United. And the gulf between United and Chelsea then is even bigger than the gulf between Man City and WestHam now.

It was HUGE. Christ it was huge.

Nihilist:

I don't really want to derail from the debate by arguing a lot of your points there. I seem to remember either yourself or Ibime denigrating Desailly a few years ago as a mercenary who came to collect pension money a few years ago...but that's irrelevant anyway.

Like I said, I will concede that Chelsea was the 3rd best team in England...but that's inconsequential anyway.

Your points there are largely irrelevant. Saying that Chelsea did better than any team not named Manyoo is as pointless as saying that Dortmund does better than any team not called Bayern.

What was the gap in reputation and success between United and Chelsea? Or you think it's beans to win a league 8 times in 11 seasons?

Roman and Jose came to topple United. And the gulf between United and Chelsea then is even bigger than the gulf between Man City and WestHam now.

It was HUGE. Christ it was huge.

There is no lie that Dessaily was a mercenary that came to collect money but he was still able to move to Chelsea, Like Zlatan DiMaria and co that went to Man Utd, They are probably there for the money but they still show Man Utd ability to atttact even money hungry mercenary

Man Utd might be the dominant team in the league but Chelsea was one of their main challenger

Chelsea in Europe was standing to the big boys in the continent, standing to Madrid, to Barcelona, to Lazio anyone, beating Man Utd 5-0 and 3-0 around those years. Which one of these can West Ham point to?

The only thing they lacked was consistency vs smaller sides in the league, But if na top team e no sure for anyone

Ibime:


You can only talk retrospectively by looking at the books and drawing conclusions. I'm telling you how ninjas were feeling back then.

Then you had Juventus blocking Italian League and Manure blocking EPL.

It still didn't stop WPOTY Ronaldo leaving Barca to join Inter who hadn't won league since the days of Mussolini.

Batigol, Zanetti, Crespo. . . big big boys were playing in clubs not league winners.

People were not desperate for UCL then. Even league title does not exclude you from being a top club.

All we know is Chelsea were shaking Europe then.

When Madrid faced us in 1998 SuperCup and we beat them 1-0, you don't need Nastradamus to tell you that Chelsea is a big boy.

Newcastle, Leeds and Liverpool were not shaking anything.

Your argument seems to be based on the fact that we won Cup Winners Cup, carling cup, and FA Cup. It's like arguing that PSG was a big club in 96 because they won the tournament, or thar Portsmouth was a big club When they won the FA cup.

You likened us to Sevilla. Now let me ask you this....who is the 3rd biggest/best club in la liga right now?

raumdeuter:

There is no lie that Dessaily was a mercenary that came to collect money but he was still able to move to Chelsea, Like Zlatan DiMaria and co that went to Man Utd, They are probably there for the money but they still show Man Utd ability to atttact even money hungry mercenary

Man Utd might be the dominant team in the league but Chelsea was one of their main challenger

Chelsea in Europe was standing to the big boys in the continent, standing to Madrid, to Barcelona, to Lazio anyone, beating Man Utd 5-0 and 3-0 around those years. Which one of these can West Ham point to?

The only thing they lacked was consistency vs smaller sides in the league, But if na top team e no sure for anyone

Anybody could and still can beat anybody else in the league.

Yet in the 6 years prior to Roman's arrival, we only finished inside the top 4 twice.

Like I said, league wise we were nothing special. Nothing special at all.

Cup wins are not a true indicator of club strength. The club I supported then made 3 carling cup finals between 97 and 2000...and won 2. Against Middlesbrough and Tranmere. FREAKING Tranmere

Didn't United play against Millwall in the FA cup final around that time.

Anyfool can do well in the cup. Any fool can knuckle down and win a final. Wigan got relegated but beat the league Champions in the FA cup. Cup is not an accurate measure of your reputation/standing.

Debroslink:
If Ororo wins this thing ehn, it won't be funny at all. France should do the needful and win this boring tourney.

the next world best is C. Ronaldo. There's no two ways about it.

Nihilist:


Anybody could and still can beat anybody else in the league.

Yet in the 6 years prior to Roman's arrival, we only finished inside the top 4 twice.

Like I said, league wise we were nothing special. Nothing special at all.

Cup wins are not a true indicator of club strength. The club I supported then made 3 carling cup finals between 97 and 2000...and won 2. Against Middlesbrough and Tranmere. FREAKING Tranmere

Didn't United play against Millwall in the FA cup final around that time.

Anyfool can do well in the cup. Any fool can knuckle down and win a final. Wigan got relegated but beat the league Champions in the FA cup. Cup is not an accurate measure of your reputation/standing.

Viewers from outside only care about what you do in Europe and few people care about the league

When I started following Italian football, I knew AC Milan before I knew Juventus. I thought AC Milan was the most successful Italian side whereas Juventus on record has almost double Milan's league titles. It was in 96 final when they reffered to Juve as Italian record winners before I knew they were better

Same with Arsenal and Chelsea, it took Arsenal several yrs of playing in the CL before they were able to make knockout losing to smaller sides regularly while you see Chelsea standing to the top sides in Europe.

Domestically you can say Chelsea was underachieving but in Europe they were holding their side

SailorXY:
the next world best is C. Ronaldo. There's no two ways about it.

Pahdin?

Nihilist:


Anybody could and still can beat anybody else in the league.

Yet in the 6 years prior to Roman's arrival, we only finished inside the top 4 twice.

What is the problem with young niggas?

Being strongheaded is a bad trait abeg.

WTF is top 4 in the 1990s? Do you think anyone in that era cares about top 4?

Please stop drawing conclusions of olden days through 2016 eyes.

In those days, if you can't win the league and you are in 2nd place, you would rather finish 5th and concentrate on cup.

Every season Chelsea was a top 3 team for most of the season, and every season we relaxed in the league to chase Cup competitions.

Its like now no one cares whether you finish 5th or 9th.

You're the kind of nigga who if Pele boasts that he won Paulista Championship in 1965, you will start making noise that is it only common State Championship that Pele is boasting about, not knowing that Paulista Championship could be the stiffest competition in the world in 1965.

See UCL cash distribution in 1990s compared to now and you'll see why clubs could prioritise going deep in FA Cup or UEFA Cup to struggling to finish in UCL spot.

Nateevs do you remember anyone fighting for top 4 in 1990s?

Ibime:


What is the problem with young niggas?

Being strongheaded is a bad trait abeg.

WTF is top 4 in the 1990s? Do you think anyone in that era cares about top 4?

Please stop drawing conclusions of olden days through 2016 eyes.

In those days, if you can't win the league and you are in 2nd place, you would rather finish 5th and concentrate on cup.

Every season Chelsea was a top 3 team for most of the season, and every season we relaxed in the league to chase Cup competitions.

Its like now no one cares whether you finish 5th or 9th.

You're the kind of nigga who if Pele boasts that he won Paulista Championship in 1965, you will start making noise that is it only common State Championship that Pele is boasting about, not knowing that Paulista Championship could be the stiffest competition in the world in 1965.

Nateevs do you remember anyone fighting for top 4 in 1990s?

Please don't quote me out of context.
I have already said at least two times that back then, it was only the top 2 in that league that were reckoned with.

You were the one that doesn't seem to know what you are arguing about. Pamcode said we are were a midtable team before Roman came....you came in and said we were never a midtable team...and your backing evidence is CUP history.


Abi is there table in Cup again?

Anyway, like I said, that same era Leicester won the league Cup twice. By your definition, they two must be big clubs.

Instead of you to focus on what was asked of you, you will start talking about age which is just irritating for a person who said he only started following EPL in 97.

I asked you who the 3rd best team in la liga is, since you said Chelsea were like Sevilla....but you cannot answer, which is quite typical of you.

Abeg take your arrogance and bounce. I'm done with you.

Nihilist:


You were the one that doesn't seem to know what you are arguing about. Pamcode said we are were a midtable team before Roman came....you came in and said we were never a midtable team...and your backing evidence is CUP history.


Abi is there table in Cup again?

What is this one saying?

A team that never finished lower than 6th in the time period in question and you were nodding head like Agama lizard for him.

Mind you he even said lower midtable.

Then you came to tell us that Newcastle and Leeds are bigger in that period shows you are just googling and not living the period.

It took Dayo to come and tell you that in Europe nobody bar Manure was higher regarded than Chelsea, yet you are typing nonsense about finishing in top 4 that doesn't even matter to that era.

Carry go abeg.

raumdeuter:


Viewers from outside only care about what you do in Europe and few people care about the league

When I started following Italian football, I knew AC Milan before I knew Juventus. I thought AC Milan was the most successful Italian side whereas Juventus on record has almost double Milan's league titles. It was in 96 final when they reffered to Juve as Italian record winners before I knew they were better

Same with Arsenal and Chelsea, it took Arsenal several yrs of playing in the CL before they were able to make knockout losing to smaller sides regularly while you see Chelsea standing to the top sides in Europe.

Domestically you can say Chelsea was underachieving but in Europe they were holding their side

It's very sad that it's taken you 3 full pages to finally grasp what diggz, pamcode and myself said around 7am this morning.

FBS:

Not yet? What's he waiting for? Season starts pretty soon.

maybe this weekend, he arrives

Abeg who dey home?

See as dem dey press France like pure water nylon.